1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: the sixteenth of October. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm Emma Gillespie, I'm Billy FitzSimons. 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: The Highest Court in Australia has upheld the decision to 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: prevent the far right US commentator Candae Owens from entering 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: the country. Owens was planning a multi city speaking tour 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: when her visa was blocked by the Home Affairs Minister 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Tony Burke last year. 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Now. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: At the time, Burke said that Owens has the power 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: to incite discord in almost every direction and that her 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: tour would not be in Australia's best interest. She launched 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: a legal challenge against that, but Owen's visa appeal was 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: dismissed in a judgment handed down on Wednesday. Today, we 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: are going to unpack who Owens is, why the government 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: didn't want it to come here, and what this week's 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: decision means. 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: And this was a huge story yesterday that Candace Owens 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: will not be able to enter Australia. We know that 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: the High Court decision is final now for anyone not 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: familiar what do we need to know about Candace Owens 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: and who she is? 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: Yes? So, Candace Owens is a thirty five year old 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: American political commentator and media personality. She's best known, though, 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: for her far right views. She is a far right influencer, 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: a long time Trump supporter. And I think it's also 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: really important to highlight how popular she is. She has 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: a massive following, which looks like seven point two million 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: followers on x six million Instagram followers and nearly five 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: and a half million YouTube subscribers. She also hosts a 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: popular podcast called The Candace Owens Show. And she has 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: been this really prominent voice in conservative media probably for 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: the better part of a decade. Twenty seventeen is when 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: she first kind of started to become prominent. And during 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: the last eight or so years, she has made headlines 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: for many reasons, a lot of them centered around controversy. 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: She's been accused of promoting harmful conspiracy theories. She's been 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: accused of being anti Semitic, islamophobic, anti trans A website 41 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: promoting her life speaking tour, though, describes Owens as unwavering 42 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,559 Speaker 2: and unfiltered. 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: And you just mentioned this speaking tour. Is that why 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: she had planned to come to Australia as part of 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: that tour. 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: Exactly Owens was scheduled to come here. Last year, she 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: announced this speaking tour with shows planned in lots of 48 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: major cities including Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth. The tour 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: was promoted as this kind of opportunity for her Aussie 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: fans to get up close to hear her views on politics, culture, 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: current affairs. You know, a very kind of typical in 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: conversation with sort of event that you would expect. Now, 53 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: tickets were already on sale when in October last year 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: the Federal government actually intervened and blocked Owen's visa application 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: to stop her from going ahead with those dates. 56 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: That was massive news when it happened. Remind us what 57 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: the reason for that blocking was. 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: So under Australian law, the Home Affairs Minister here, who 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: is Tony Burke at the moment, that person has the 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: power to refuse a person of visa if they think 61 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: that their presence in Australia would be contrary to the 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: national interest. 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: This reminds me of when Novak Djokovic, one of the 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: best tennis players in the world, was blocked from coming 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: to Australia for the Australian Open because of his vaccination opinions. 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: It's very similar because it was in that case that 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: the Home Affairs Minister at the time also blocked. 68 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: His entry exactly. So as Home Affairs Minister, that person 69 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: has really kind of broad powers to intervene if they 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: think a prominent person is going to come to Australia 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: and potentially incite harmful views. So the government's position when 72 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: it made this announcement last year in October was that 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: if it allowed Candace Owens to come here, that she 74 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: would incite this kind of disharmony within the community. And 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: Burke specifically said, quote Australia's national interest is best served 76 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: when Candace Owens is somewhere else. 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: What are some of the examples of things that she 78 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: has said That is what the Home Affairs Minister is 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: referring to. 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: Yees. So Owens was actually fired from a right wing 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: publication in the US called The Daily Wire. You may 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: have heard of this was big news. Early last year. 83 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: She made a series of statements that were widely condemned 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: as anti Semitic. She shared posts questioning established facts about 85 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: Nazi Germany she made comments downplaying the Holocaust, and she 86 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: also has promoted conspiracy theories, including claims that Muslim communities 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: in Australia are imposing Islamic law here. So these are 88 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: the sort of st statements that kind of raised concerns 89 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: with the Federal government with Minister Burke about potential harms, 90 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: the damage and disruption to social cohesion that could arise 91 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: if Candice Owens was given a platform in Australia to 92 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: directly address local audiences. 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Right, so, it was comments like those that led the 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Home Affairs Minister to block her entry to Australia and 95 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: presuming she appealed that decision, and that's why it then 96 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: went to the High Court exactly. So. 97 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: After Burke refused her visa, Owens launched a legal challenge 98 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: arguing that the decision was unlawful and that it should 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: be overturned. And that case went through the court system, 100 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: eventually reaching the highest court, the High Court, where there 101 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: was an appeal heard this week. 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: And what were her arguments in the appeal as to 103 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: why she should be let in. 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: Yes, so, Owen's legal team had argued that Burke's decision 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: was a breach of Australia's commitments to freedom of expression, 106 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: and that Burke didn't properly consider all relevant factors when 107 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: making his decisions. So, for example, court documents show Owen's 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: lawyers claimed the minister assumed her presence would cause conflict 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: rather than actually weighing up where the hostilities would really occur. 110 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: They argued that the decision to reject her visa was 111 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: based only on Owen's past statements, ignoring that she might 112 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: behave differently in Australia or might avoid certain topics here. 113 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: Owen's team also argued that Burke didn't think about the 114 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: fact she'd only be in Australia temporarily about a week, 115 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: or consider that her speaking events would be at private 116 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: venues with people who had specifically chosen and paid to attend. 117 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: And did the government's position remain that they still thought 118 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: she's too controversial she could incite potentially violence here. 119 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: Yes, so the Government maintained that position, and Burke's position 120 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: was that he was acting within his powers as Home 121 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: Affairs Minister, so the Migration Act gives him those powers, 122 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: and the Government continued to argue that his decision to 123 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: block her visa was lawful Specifically, they argued that protecting 124 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: social cohesion and preventing potential vilification of groups within Australia 125 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: justified the visa refusal. They said it was reasonable to 126 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: conclude that someone like Owens, who has repeatedly made divisive statements, 127 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: would likely continue to do so if she came out 128 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: here for this tour. Interestingly, free speech doesn't guarantee entry 129 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: to Australia. 130 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: I was going to say, when Candice Owens claimed freedom 131 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: of expression, that's super interesting because obviously she's coming from 132 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: the US, where freedom of speech is a right for 133 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: those in the country, but in Australia we don't have 134 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: it the exact same way. 135 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not an explicit right. The Australian government does 136 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: have an obligation to kind of balance free speech considerations, 137 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: but in its argument against Owen's appeal, the government essentially 138 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: said that it considers free speech against other important interests 139 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: like social cohesion when determining who can enter the country, 140 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: and that ultimately it does have the power to prayorities 141 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: potential risks to social cohesion over that freedom of expression argument. 142 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting. So those are the arguments on either side. Yesterday, 143 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: the High court handed down its decision. What did they rule? 144 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 2: So all seven judges were unanimous. They agreed that Tony 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: Burke's decision to refuse Owen's visa was lawful, so her 146 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: appeal was rejected yesterday. On the question of whether Owens 147 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: might change her views or tone in Australia, the court 148 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: said that Burke wasn't required to assume that she would 149 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: do that. The judges said it was reasonable for the 150 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister to base his decision on what she's 151 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: said in the past, rather than guessing what she might 152 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: say in the future. And the court also made clear 153 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: that the minister's power to refuse visas on the grounds 154 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: of national interests is quite a broad power. So you 155 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: know that essentially means or what the court explained is 156 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: that it's not up to the legal system to second 157 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: guess these kinds of decisions unless there is a clear 158 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: legal error and that the Minister was acting within his 159 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: powers to protect the Australian community. 160 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: Have we heard from Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke since 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: that judgment was handed down? 162 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: Yes So after we got that judgment yesterday, we reached 163 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: out to the Home Affairs Minister who told TDA quote, 164 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: this is a win for social cohesion. Inciting discord might 165 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: be the way some people make money, but it's not 166 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: welcome in Australia. 167 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Have there been any other responses from any other groups 168 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: affected by this? 169 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, as you kind of already touched on Billy, 170 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: this case, since it first emerged over a year ago, 171 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: has sparked this ongoing discussion about free speech and government power. 172 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: Who should be allowed to visit Australia, And I think 173 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: we are seeing more and more of these conversations as 174 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: kind of Australia and American culture blends, and there is 175 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: this crossover of US politics in US culture, in our 176 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: day to day lives. But freedom of expression doesn't mean 177 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: foreign nationals have a right to enter Australia. Candace Owans 178 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: has argued really heavily about infringements on free speech. But 179 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: the conversation that's come out of this finding, I suppose, 180 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: is that the visa system here is designed really deliberately 181 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: to give the minister powers to limit who can enter 182 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: the country. And you know, while the US has its 183 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: own protections around free speech, it may have been an 184 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: error on Candace Owen's legal team to go so heavily 185 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: on that right, which really bluntly just doesn't exist here. 186 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Has Candace Owens said anything, so. 187 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: At the time of recording, we haven't actually heard anything 188 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: specifically from Candas Owens about this judgment, but based on 189 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: her past comments, you know, we can assume she's not 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: going to be happy with this decision. I'm sure we'll 191 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: hear more about the free speech argument that she put forward. 192 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: But for Owens specifically, you know, legally, this is the 193 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: end of the road for her legal options to enter Australia. 194 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: The High Court is the highest in the country. There's 195 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: nowhere else for her to appeal, so she won't be 196 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: able to come here for any speaking tour. And I 197 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: guess longer term, this decision could play an important role 198 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: in how the government handles similar cases in the future. 199 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm sure we'll see plenty more instances 200 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: of controversial figures wanting to come to Australia, wanting to 201 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: do these kinds of speaking tours, and this will kind 202 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: of probably become a precedent for what happens there. It 203 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: is worth noting I think that this whole case doesn't 204 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: mean the government can block anyone. It disagrees with just 205 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: on a whim, the government and the Home Affairs Minister, 206 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: you know, do still need to have a reasonable basis 207 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: for believing that someone's presence here could be damaging or 208 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: contrary to the national interest. But the High Court this 209 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: week has made it really clear that it will give 210 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: ministers significant leeway in making these assessments. So we'll wait 211 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: and see what Owen says and if any of her 212 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: contemporaries kind of make similar plans. 213 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Such an interesting story. It was fascinating when it happened 214 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: to Novak Djokovic, and now the fact that it's happening 215 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: to Candorce Ellen's again, it's just a really interesting story. 216 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: And there's all of this debate about censorship and you 217 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: know what constitutes, you know, possibly inciting violence. All of 218 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: that is just a fascinating discussion. 219 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: Exactly, and I'm sure it's not going to be the 220 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: last we hear about it. Billy. 221 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for explaining all of that to us, am pleasure, 222 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for listening to this episode 223 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: of The Daily Ods. 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