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Speaker 1: It's a special Will and Woody podcast Mini. We've got

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Speaker 1: a very very special guest who joins us right now,

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Speaker 1: doctor Michael Moseley, who joins us. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Michael. So,

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Speaker 1: Michael is going to be doing a show with SBS

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Speaker 1: tomorrow tomorrow night seven thirty on SBS called Australia's Health Revolution.

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Speaker 1: Michael's famous really for all of his explorations into health everything,

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Speaker 1: all the way from psychology all the way through to

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Speaker 1: the five to two diet, which I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 1: of people would be across something that your mum practices,

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Speaker 1: woulds the five to two diet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And the intermittent fasting is something that I've

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Speaker 2: looked into a little bit recently, Michael. And why don't

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Speaker 2: we kick off there because I know a lot of

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Speaker 2: people hear about these health fads, but maybe they don't

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Speaker 2: put in the effort to actually look into the research

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Speaker 2: or what it actually does. Intermittent fasting is that something

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Speaker 2: we should be doing and why there's.

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Speaker 3: Certainly something that you should be exploring or at least

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Speaker 3: looking into, because it is incredibly interesting. The reason I

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Speaker 3: got into it was back in twenty twelve I discovered

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Speaker 3: I had type two diabetes, and my doctor wanted me

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Speaker 3: to start on medication, but I started looking for something else,

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Speaker 3: and that ended up with me making a documentary called

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Speaker 3: Eat Fast, Live Longer, and I went to the States

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Speaker 3: and I discovered intimate and fasting. I invented my own dirt,

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Speaker 3: the five two dit. You cut your carries a couple

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Speaker 3: of days a week, and I lost about nine kilos

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Speaker 3: in about eight weeks and reversed my diabetes. And that

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Speaker 3: was really the trigger.

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Speaker 1: And the benefit of this, this intimate and fasting is

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Speaker 1: because I mean, like, if if losing white's your goal, Like,

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Speaker 1: for example, I'm not somebody who's who's looking to lose white,

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Speaker 1: But what are the other benefits of interimittent fasting, Because

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what I hear a lot about, is

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Speaker 1: like that it's not just something that is a weight

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Speaker 1: loss technique, if you.

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Speaker 3: Like, absolutely not so obviously for me, originally it was

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Speaker 3: about getting my blood sugars back under control. And we

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Speaker 3: also know that intimate and fasting seems to be pretty

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Speaker 3: good for the brain. There are some studies looking at

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Speaker 3: whether it makes you feel sharper. There is some evidence

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Speaker 3: it leads to the production of something called BDNF brain

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Speaker 3: derived neurotrofic factor, which is like fertilized at your brains,

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Speaker 3: and certainly in animals it means that their brains stay

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Speaker 3: sharper for longer. So those are just some of the

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Speaker 3: things that intermittent fasting seems to do, and that's why

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Speaker 3: it's taken off, particularly in places like the West coast

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Speaker 3: of America where all the sort of tech guys into it,

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Speaker 3: and they are mainly guys, but they're into it because

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Speaker 3: of the benefits of their brain.

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Speaker 2: There's an Australian guy, michael called David Sinclair, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if you've heard of him, who's done a lot

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Speaker 2: of research out of Harvard, I believe on anti aging

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Speaker 2: and he's big on this intermittent fasting thing, amongst a

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Speaker 2: few other supplements which I won't be able to remember

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Speaker 2: which supplements they are. But on the topic of supplements,

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Speaker 2: this is something which every single ad break you see

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Speaker 2: on TV there are supplements here, and Swiss is a

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Speaker 2: huge company. Do you recommend any supplements at all that

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Speaker 2: are on the market that would genuinely help the average person?

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Speaker 1: Good question.

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Speaker 3: Not really, the only ones, certainly in the UK not

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Speaker 3: really the way.

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Speaker 1: We're sponsored by Chemist Warehouse. But don't worry about it, Michael,

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Speaker 1: carry on, carry on.

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Speaker 3: So if you prefer, I could say no.

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Speaker 3: Certainly in the UK D deficient. There is some evidence

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Speaker 3: of people who are overweight or a beasts they tend

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Speaker 3: to be much more a bittermin deficient. So I think

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Speaker 3: it depends on your circumstances.

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Speaker 1: You well done, well done, well worked, well worked. We

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Speaker 1: keep the sponsor for another week. It is pretty scary

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Speaker 1: actually to think about a number of the amount of

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Speaker 1: money people spend on those things and how much they

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Speaker 1: your mum says woulds We are going to go to

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Speaker 1: a song. We got more with Michael Boseley right up

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Speaker 1: next we are joined by doctor Michael Boseley PREBIEZ his

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Speaker 1: show Australia's Health Revolution Tomorrow Wednesday, the thirteenth of October

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Speaker 1: seven thirty that's tomorrow night on SBS. You can see

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Speaker 1: Michael talking about Ozzie's health. Now, Michael, we're in a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a bubble down here in Australia, as

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Speaker 1: you know, particularly in Melbourne, with these extraordinary lockdowns that

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Speaker 1: we've been subject to as a result of that. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that is one of the most common

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Speaker 1: complaints from people is how much that's affected their sleep.

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Speaker 1: How can we try and sleep a little bit better?

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Speaker 1: What are the things that lead to sleeping badly that

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Speaker 3: Sure, unfortunately a lot of it's down to scress. Many

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Speaker 3: people are sleeping badly. There's kind of three types of insomnia.

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Speaker 3: The people can't go to sleep. There are people who

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Speaker 3: the people who wake up at three in the May

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Speaker 3: with sex and with nothing else. So right right, that

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Speaker 1: Sort of I'll let you figure out which half in

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Speaker 3: You have to get rid of all the other rubbish

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Speaker 3: going on in the bedroom. And you have to. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can't afford to lie that and fret about the

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Speaker 3: fact you're not going to sleep. If you're not going

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Speaker 3: to bed when you're tired.

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Speaker 1: I see what you mean. So only be in there

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Speaker 2: Sleep must be a hard conversation though at three am, though,

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Speaker 2: when you do wake up and you go, well I

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Speaker 2: can't sleep, and you tap your partner on the shoulder

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Speaker 2: and go can we do the other thing?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the other.

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Speaker 1: To mostly recommend we've cycled back to the Sex show.

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Speaker 3: Very very insisted about it, Michael.

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Speaker 2: The other thing we were talking about this was actually

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Speaker 1: Where you go on that's that's bloody fascinating stuff. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that we can all relate to,

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Speaker 3: And that's why the phone, all those things go. But

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Speaker 3: in fact, oddly enough, if you're in a cycle of

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Speaker 3: spend in bed. It's called sleep restriction therapy, probably the

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Speaker 3: hours in bed. Wow. And that's a very well documented

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And and currently Michael, it's it's eight forty five or

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Speaker 2: eight fifty over there in the UK, And we were

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Speaker 2: just sort of exchanging small talk in the song there

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Speaker 2: and you were just saying that you had a cold shower. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's something that again I'm sure a lot of

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Speaker 2: people have heard about cold showers. Should they be doing

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Speaker 2: But what are the actual health benefits from your investigation

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Speaker 2: and your noise that come from a cold shower?

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Speaker 3: Sure, So what I actually do is I get in

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Speaker 3: And I sing loudly as well, because that picked away

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Speaker 3: from the pain. My wife on the other hand, who

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Speaker 3: And the idea is you're supposed to stay there long

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Speaker 3: But the whole cold hits you and you're supposed to

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Speaker 3: stay there until things calm down. And the benefits really are.

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Speaker 3: First of all, it obviously wakes you up. Secondly, there

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Speaker 3: is some evidence that it's good for depression and for mood.

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Speaker 3: And thirdly, there was a study they did in Holland

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Speaker 3: So but it didn't even matter how long the coulture

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Speaker 3: for several minutes. Maybe thirty seconds to a minute will do.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good to hear. That's good to hear.

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Speaker 1: Funnily enough, when we were much younger, Wood he used

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Speaker 3: Go win win, There's lots of benefits.

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Speaker 2: There's lots of benefits.

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Speaker 1: Michael, thank you so much for joining us. It's honestly

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Speaker 1: being quitey fascinating. I think we could probably talk to

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Speaker 1: you forever. Seriously, I've got so many more questions to

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Speaker 1: ask you. But if you want to learn more from Michael,

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Speaker 1: he got a brand new documentary. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: following eight brave Ossies in a new doco called Australia's

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Speaker 1: Health Revolution. It premieres tomorrow night. It's Wednesday night, seven

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Speaker 1: point thirty on SBS. You can see Michael. Mate, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, for all your insights

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Speaker 1: and good luck with the show.

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Speaker 2: You here more of the boys on the full show podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know you want to