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Speaker 2: I'm going to say forty years of work has led

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Speaker 2: to this moment. Tom Button Pusher, you found a photo

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to figure out who is in et cetera.

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Speaker 2: If you've missed any of it, get the previous podcast.

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Speaker 2: But we effectively have a number. Now we are about

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Speaker 2: and why a photo album of his was it your house?

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Speaker 2: Tom in Collinwood, Melbourne, Australia.

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Speaker 1: Sorry I mean too specific. There no more recap. You

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Speaker 1: got to call him. Okay, go, let's go, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's call him. Now what is that Will?

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Speaker 3: People?

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Speaker 4: It's not working.

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Speaker 1: That's a shame. Take my eye has been not your keyboard.

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Speaker 4: So there's no sounds.

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus too nervous.

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Speaker 5: Hello?

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Speaker 4: Hello? Is that Ian? Yes?

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Speaker 5: This is Ian here?

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Speaker 4: Hi, Ian, this is Will speaking.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm calling from a podcast slash radio show called

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Speaker 3: Will and Woody.

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Speaker 5: Ah. Yes, what is all this about?

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Speaker 3: Race?

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Speaker 4: Ian? Well, look, it's great to talk to you. First

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Speaker 4: is Woody, and this is Tom.

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Speaker 5: Hi and Bill, Tom, Tom and Woody. Good to meet you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you too, to you too, So Ian.

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Speaker 3: The last week or so on the podcast, we've been

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Speaker 4: On a very high shelf, very very tall shelf, next

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Speaker 5: This is down in Collingwood. I'm guessing it.

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Speaker 1: Why Why is Collingwood familiar to you?

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Speaker 5: Well, because I used to live there and and was

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Speaker 5: So I hope you're enjoying the place.

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 3: I am sorry, I was the purchaser.

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Speaker 5: Does it still have are there still rats? Does the

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Speaker 5: I said to a video of the season rats. After

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Speaker 4: But yeah, oh my god, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation you guys probably should have had

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Speaker 3: In if I can, if I can bring it back

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Speaker 3: to the book. So we've found this book. Tom found

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Speaker 3: to them because it's got at Grandma's house. Grandma gr

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Speaker 5: Grandmar Yeah, that's definitely my grandmother.

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Speaker 3: Elsie Elsas Stainton in New York.

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Speaker 5: He was an absolutely amazing, amazing person, just which maybe

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Speaker 2: She was an academic, right, but first ever woman to

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Speaker 5: That is exactly right. She's the first woman to get

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Speaker 5: Knew that this been gone and would love to get

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Speaker 6: there we go now, Ian, the next thing you need

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Speaker 3: You know, when you find like an old photo album,

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what kind of operation you've

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Speaker 5: You're wondering if it's curse. I think you got me.

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Speaker 5: It's it's cursed. I mean I get rid of it

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Speaker 4: That's what I said. Well, I've been careful not to

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Speaker 1: What is the curse? Ian?

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Speaker 2: Because I you had it until you left the photo

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Speaker 5: Like, definitely not a witch. I do Hindi language at

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Speaker 5: Soundscrit isn't my main language. I have studied sunscript, but

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Speaker 5: Mystical writings? Well, well, India is not the only country

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Speaker 5: there's something you can do like tomorrow, no, just do

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Speaker 5: and I think quite relevant today, especially when they give

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Speaker 1: Right that was that was sorry? That was found five

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, Yeah, wow.

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Speaker 2: That is so relevant to today, like people talk about

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Speaker 1: That's extraordinary. That was written five hundred years ago.

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Speaker 5: Is very good though. You recognize the words exactly.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for identifying that. That's what I do. That's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, okay, So that's been so so disappointed by you.

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Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, I love you. It's a

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Speaker 2: weird relationship with God, but I think you're amazing. But

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Speaker 2: let's get back to the returning of this photo album.

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Speaker 2: I mean five hundred bucks and I'm joking in we'll

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Speaker 2: get we'll get an address off your mate and we'll

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Speaker 5: Perfect that sounds great, looking forward, just looking forward to

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Speaker 3: Man, Well we're happy to give it back as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's got Ian's book inside it. We're very

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Speaker 4: So one final question with this came up a few times.

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Speaker 3: The last photo, photo twenty two is a photo of

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Speaker 4: It just said the plane. Now what he assumed that.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd put some sort of hecks on your

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Speaker 5: That would be the plane that I was on, And

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Speaker 3: Yeah wow, Well thanks for letting his rummage through your

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Speaker 4: It's been a lot of fun, all right.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to clear you by the way in of TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Nice because he really cared what you thought about him,

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Speaker 5: Thank you all right, Well, thank you very much, and

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Speaker 2: With the far more important things that you're doing as well.

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Speaker 2: In it all sounds absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, love it. What was the what was the

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Speaker 4: translation from that poem? Again?

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Speaker 5: That was the one that just that it's something you

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Speaker 5: can do tomorrow, No, go ahead and do it today

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Speaker 5: because everything we know, everything can be destroyed in the instant,

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Speaker 5: it can turn the dust. So if you all love

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Speaker 5: basically do it now?

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Speaker 1: Nice brilliant.

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Speaker 4: I love that. Well, thanks so much and appreciate it. Man.

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Speaker 4: We'll get the album to you and it's beending pleasure,

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Speaker 5: Very much, sick care bye bye.

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Speaker 4: Wow. What an extraordinary dude. Yeah that was wild fascinating, lovely,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he did not suffer full didy like he

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Speaker 2: just he just thought I was the biggest moron in

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Speaker 1: Nice you're dirty boys, And he was like, good one,

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Speaker 1: You've identified a word.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I'm talking to two wills.

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Speaker 4: How that happens because he like tomorrowized you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I was just like I needed to

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Speaker 1: Bizarre.

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Speaker 4: All right, well we're back. I suppose we're back at.

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Speaker 3: That's the end of the mini the Curse photo album,

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Speaker 3: The Chronicles of the Curse Photo Album.

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Speaker 1: It's over. Another success kind of say.

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Speaker 2: So we've done two things on this podcast, two quests

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Speaker 2: slash adventures on this podcast. Yeah, you're becoming best mate

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Speaker 2: with Tina Arena. You guys now catch up weekly tennis

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Speaker 2: on Thursdays, I think is well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, Shardona and tennis on Thursdays with Tina.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're friends with her. Extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: We've now found the owner of a cursed photo album.

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Speaker 2: Another tick so proves in the putting guys doors open.

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Speaker 2: If you want us to engage in some sort of

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Speaker 2: journey for you, there's a mystery in your life. Dms

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Speaker 2: Will and Woody on Instagram. Write us a message, we'll

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Speaker 2: give you a call. We might take the case. I

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Speaker 2: see this is a bit like Sherlock in that way. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think lots of cases will start coming in.

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Speaker 2: We'll take the ones that interest us.

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Speaker 1: Is that what he does?

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Speaker 1: Nice, But I would be Sherlocking.

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Speaker 4: You'd be John wantson.

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Speaker 1: Guys without signing, Guys without signing. Yeah, alrighty