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Speaker 1: Yesterday we spoke to territory women who are seriously concerned

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Speaker 1: The Darwin Private Hospital now the hospital announced the closure

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Speaker 1: of its maternity ward by June sixth this year. The

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Speaker 1: organizers of a petition opposing the closure say that the decision,

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Speaker 1: which was made by the private operator health Scope, is

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Speaker 1: going to leave expectant mothers and families across the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory without a choice of how they.

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Speaker 2: Can access maternity care.

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Speaker 1: Now, they say it's more than a health care shift,

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Speaker 1: it is a blow to women's rights, family planning and

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Speaker 1: the future of Darwin as a liveable city. The Health Minister,

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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington joins me in the studio. Good morning to

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Speaker 1: your minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to all the listeners.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: I know we've got so many questions from Northern Territory women.

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Speaker 1: So first off I'll ask these services at Darwin Private

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Speaker 1: Hospital they're set to end in June. Where are things

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Speaker 1: at with the planning for that change?

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Speaker 3: Katie, there's a look. Firstly, I want to reassure all

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Speaker 3: expectant mothers that there's been a huge amount of work

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Speaker 3: reassure all expectant mothers and families is that these packages

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Speaker 3: that I've spoken previously about, the luxury post natal maternity

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Speaker 3: returning home to Returning Home Sooner package, all of those

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Speaker 3: are ready to be confirmed. And when I say ready

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Speaker 3: to be confirmed, what I'm getting at is that nt

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Speaker 3: health has had ongoing conversations with the health insurers. So

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Speaker 3: when we talk about them, Medibank, Booper, the Australian Health

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Speaker 3: Service Alliance have already reassured nt Health that these packages

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Speaker 1: So Minister, which hotel is it going to be? Where

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Speaker 1: are women going to be able to stay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't announce that to you yet, but the

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Speaker 3: conversations that I've had with nt Health, my understanding and

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of procurement processes going on in

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Speaker 2: So the conversation is definitely still happening.

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Speaker 1: Now, in terms of the twenty four to seven maternity support,

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Speaker 3: So that will entail having the option. Now, let's make

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Speaker 3: it clear that women aren't being sent off to this retreat.

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Speaker 3: They'll need to stay in hospital if there's medical concerns

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Speaker 3: So that will involve twenty four hour services in twenty

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be a nurse able to care like,

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Speaker 1: or is it going to be over a phone line?

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Speaker 1: What's it going to look like?

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Speaker 3: What it will involve is a planned, scheduled visits by

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Speaker 3: midwives can go and attend that hospital. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 3: we already have a domicillary care midwives that go to

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Speaker 1: Happens for those women if something happens outside of those

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Speaker 1: planned scheduled visits. Because what they were saying yesterday on

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Speaker 1: is there a twenty four to seven phone line that

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Speaker 3: All of those are available. There will certainly be phone

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Speaker 2: That's a definite.

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Speaker 3: That's a definite. They'll be able to contact a midwife

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Speaker 1: Now, one of our one of the expectant mums, got

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Speaker 2: Is that correct.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole range of options of ailable and that's

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Speaker 3: Of course, Saint John's are available twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: So that's a very different scenario to what women going

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Speaker 1: So if you're in that private system, the majority of

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit longer if you've had to have

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Speaker 1: for longer. Now I get what you're saying that they're

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Speaker 1: They can obviously call that twenty four hour service, but

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Speaker 3: The midwife, As I said, we already have the domicillary

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Speaker 1: And if an emergency arises.

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Speaker 3: If an emergency arises, like any emergency, that midwife will

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Speaker 1: All right, Minister, I want to take you through a

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Speaker 4: About the unsafe birth happening at the public hospital. I

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Speaker 2: So that is Jess on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, are there women that are

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Speaker 3: Certainly not, and I want to reassure listeners that mothers

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Speaker 3: What we have is around about seventy midwives and thirteen

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Speaker 2: So there might be women laboring in the halls.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt that that's a strong possibility. Women arrive

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Speaker 1: Minister, are we in a situation where we're going to

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Speaker 3: Look, the information we have. The information that I have

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Speaker 3: What we've been told is that there's around about two

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Speaker 3: The increase for the Royal Daren Hospital can be absorbed.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about a ten to fifteen percent increase in

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Speaker 1: We spoke to Cath Hatcher yesterday from the Nursing and

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Speaker 1: All right, Minister, I want to take you to a

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what she had to say.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be a guinea pigs for the new

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Speaker 5: They're still obviously working through a lot of that, trying

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Speaker 5: Minister have known that this is coming since September last year.

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Speaker 3: That, Well, there's been on look, there's been ongoing conversations Codie.

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Speaker 3: So having written to the Federal minister, let me just

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Speaker 3: go back a step. There has been ongoing conversations between

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Speaker 3: have been specifically around how can we improve the infrastructure

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Speaker 3: well before the election. In fact, those conversations started back

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Speaker 3: One of those one of those submissions involves a proposal

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Speaker 1: Nowhere and it's closing June sixth.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about infrastructure upgrades. Infrastructure upgrades aren't going to

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Speaker 3: There are beds at the hospital that it's not an issue.

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Speaker 3: Look, Healthscope have decided to make a commercial decision to

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Speaker 1: Ministered, just really quickly before I let you go. In

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Speaker 2: I be able to get a few of them auganize.

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Speaker 3: For if mothers want to share their information, that's with

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Speaker 3: the private provider with nt Health more than happy to

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Speaker 3: speak to them.

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Speaker 1: Minister for Health Steve Edgington really appreciate your time. We'll

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Speaker 1: get you on another time to talk about the mental

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Speaker 1: health announcement and also Akasha, thank you, Thanks Katien.

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Speaker 5: Good morning to everyone.