1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Now, after a comprehensive review and extensive consultation with Premier 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: League clubs, aflnts endorsed a number of by law changes 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: ahead of the upcoming season. Now. AFLNT say the adjustments 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: aim to improve competitive balance across the NTFL and to 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: simplify administrative processes and ensure greater financial accountability across the competition. 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: The newly introduced tiered model is now going to apply 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: across both the men's and women's Premier League competitions, giving 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: developing clubs greater capacity, they say, to build stronger lists 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: while maintaining the ability for all clubs to drive high 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: quality programs. Now joining us on the line is Lee Elder, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: AFLNT Community Football Manager. Good morning, Lee, Good morning, how 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: are you yeah? Really good? Good to have you on 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: the show now, Lee. Seven by law changes set to 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: come in to play for the upcoming season. Why these 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: changes need it? 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: It's been a long time process. Obviously, we've developed a 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: lot since COVID. There's been over fifty percent growth in 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: the participation with that becomes a bit of a challenge 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: with growing pains. But we had some systems pre COVID 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: that were setting competitive balance and Obviously, the world changes, 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: the top ends change changed, and trying to get the 22 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: right balance to ensure that all clubs can see their 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: next success was the reason for this. We did a 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: major review back in twenty twenty one, and part of 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: that was to try and get the competitive balance right. 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: So we've been working with the clubs for about two 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: and a half years to try and get the systems right. 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is perfect. It will obviously take 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: some time to make it all work in place, but 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: ensuring that the top clubs can keep striving and the 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: bottom clubs have got the opportunity to catch up was 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: the key thing from these outcomes. 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: So let's walk through some of these changes. The first 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: off around fly and players. So previous restrictions on those 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: fly and players have been removed following some strong feedback 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: from the clubs. Tell me what this change is going 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: to mean in a practical sense for those clubs. 38 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, obviously this has been a bit of a 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: challenge for clubs to manage, so it wasn't simple to follow, 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: it wasn't simple to administer, and therefore created work and 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: stress for volunteers. So if we're going to replace this model, 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: we needed to ensure that there's something that comes in 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: that gets the competitive balance, and that's why we've got 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: the TID system coming in at the same time. So 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: unfortunately the idea of the flying model had some good 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: merit on competitive balance. The reality is increase the workload 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: for the volunteers and create a lot of stress. So 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: we're glad we found a good solution to ensure that 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: that sort of replaced all that systems replaced well with 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: another competitive balance measure using the points as the key tool. Yeah. 51 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: Right, So people clubs can still fly players in, is 52 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: that correct, but they're not sort of going to be 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: restricted in the number that they're flying in or how often. 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: Well, the points ensure that the restrictions are theirs. So 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: that creates the model that you get your greater opportunity. 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: But I think it's pretty strong from the coaches and 57 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: the clubs that the flyings are a short term gap 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: and getting people to relocate is a better model. So 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: that's what they're looking to do. They've seen probably back 60 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: in the early days fifteen twenty years ago. They saw 61 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: it as a quick, fixed solution, but the reality is 62 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: it's not great return for the clubs. On their investment. 63 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: Well, and presumably if you're a club that's got a 64 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: bit more money, you've got a bit more ability to 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: fly people in. Would that be correct? 66 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and that's why we have the TID system. 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: So those clubs that are well structured in that case 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: have got limited points, so they've got less flexibility to 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: do that. Where the clubs at the lower end, and 70 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: this is all based around a three year performance, they've 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: got the ability to bring more players in. 72 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: So in terms of now the relocation concession, So the 73 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: previous player points concessions for players relocating to the Northern 74 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Territory are no longer going to apply as supporting a 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: simpler and more transparent points system. So what does that 76 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: mean in terms of the relocation concessions for the various clubs? 77 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: In simple terminologies, an average punt of that loves the 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: NTFL can look at a player's profile but not match 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: to what their value is in the points system, if 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: that makes sense, Because we had all these little discounts 81 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: here and there, so now it's fully transparent. The total 82 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: points is the key thing to get the competitive balance. 83 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: Some clubs could use these reductions better than others, so 84 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: it was a better system to have no reductions whatsoever. 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: So in terms of the total player points allocation, sort 86 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: of talk us through the way in which the formula 87 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: is changing and is now going to apply to the 88 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: women's Premier League as well. 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: Yes, the uniform approach, so we're really glad that this 90 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: has been able to happen. So we've got both men's 91 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: and women's working under the same program. The clubs don't 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: fit under the same model is basically how each team 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 2: has performed over the previous years. So there's a top four, 94 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: there's a five to seven, and there's an eight to 95 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: last model, so they're the three tiers. Obviously, the top 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: tier has less points, the middle tier has ten points more, 97 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: and the lower tier has four points more than the 98 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: middle tier. So everyone has that ability to top up 99 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: and recruit their list if they've been struggling over the 100 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: last couple of years. So the AFL has a draft system, 101 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: we've got the points system works it the same way. 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: Now. Then in terms of the financial compliance, have we 103 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: had some clubs which were not compliant or why the 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: need for change there? 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: So a couple of things that we looked at in 106 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one was to actually try and improve the 107 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: compliance and the governance of the whole competition, which is 108 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: this is trying to build models, so we're protecting clubs 109 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: from themselves and ensuring that everyone's living within their means, 110 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: so managing that every club can see not only its 111 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: next success, but also to ensure that it's got long 112 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: term futures. So they're the type of good governance models 113 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: we want to ensure we get into place. 114 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about that player eligibility, then when 115 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: it comes to the finals matches, what are the changes 116 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: that are going to come into place in this area. 117 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: So it's only in the Premier League model this has changed, 118 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: and this is to manage a little bit of managing 119 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: the amount of f lines that can come in which 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: you need to actually play six games other than five 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: to qualify for finals in the Premier League model. So 122 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: it's basically China service that we're looking after locals first 123 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: and then top up players from in the state second. 124 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem as though the AFL would rather, 125 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, rather people sort of relocating here and playing 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: for the whole season rather than just flying in and 127 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: out for a few matches. 128 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it's best for the clubs. It's best for 129 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: the competition and it means the high quality you bring in. 130 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: That's why those AFL players are the lowest points that 131 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: you can get. We want quality to come into the 132 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: competition and quality to actually help our young talented juniors 133 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: actually develop well. 134 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: And also, I mean, we've got that many people playing 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: in playing footy in the Northern Territory at the moment, 136 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: but even when you look at those Premier League clubs 137 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: and if every club's got a few people relocating to 138 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, it's actually good population wise as well 139 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: to have them here for the whole season rather than 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: just sort of flying in and out for a little while. 141 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we've gone from three and a half thousand participants 142 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: five years ago to over five thousand participants now and 143 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: we do have about six hundred that are involved in 144 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: winter competition. Some of those are actually nt people that 145 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: go and play in the winter competitions, but there are 146 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: a lot that like to experience the top end. So 147 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: we want to create a model where they're actually living, 148 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: working and giving back to the community and hopefully get 149 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: a queue to stay for longer term. 150 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, in terms of the local transfers. That's one 151 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: of the other changes. So the NCFL local transfer rule 152 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: has been updated as well. How has this been changed. 153 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: So this was trialed in the women's last year. So 154 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: effectively it protects the lower club so a stronger club 155 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: can't just go and recruit four players from a lower 156 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: club's premier league model and just play them straight in 157 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: the premier league. So there's a max of one four 158 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: point player for the top level clubs, and there's a 159 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: support mechanism for the bottom clubs as well, so every 160 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: club can have a max of three So a lower 161 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: club taking from another lower club that can be a 162 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: max of three players. So it just protects the clubs 163 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: that are developing and are coming from the bottom. 164 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's given the fact that there's been plenty 165 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: of consultation happening. This change isn't just something that's happened 166 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: to overnight, as you said, It's been a couple of 167 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: years in the making. By the sounds of it. Have 168 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: clubs been notified now all these changes and what's been 169 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: the feedback so far? 170 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's been a long process. As I say, 171 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: a couple of these items have been on the table 172 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: for two or three years, but we started working with 173 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: the Premier League coaches in January this year to look 174 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: what was going to be in place for the following season. 175 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: Of course, every club views it differently and obviously they're 176 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: all in different positions, right, So the feedback has been robust, 177 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: which has been magnific, but the majority of the items 178 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: got overwhelming support by the clubs. Of course, everyone would 179 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: like a few little variations to suit their model, we 180 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: understand that, but the overwhelming support was great. We took 181 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: on the feedback. There were some slight changes from our 182 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: first submission, but that's what feedback, an opportunity to consultate, 183 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: sort of create. So we're really happy with the outcomes 184 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: like that. There'll be a bit of fine tuning over 185 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: the next couple of years, but we think we've really 186 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: got a good platform. We've done a fair bit of 187 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: player movement restructuring over the last three or four seasons 188 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: and we're starting to see some returns. We just want 189 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: to start seeing some competitive balance responses and this will 190 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: take time. Right, we don't fix some of the clubs 191 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: that need a bit of development immediately. It'll be two, 192 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: three four years before we get the full results. 193 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: And in terms of these changes and whether they do 194 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: sort of work well or not. I know you said 195 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: it's going to take sort of a few seasons to 196 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: be able to work it out. But are they set 197 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: in stone or is there a bit you know, is 198 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: there going to be a review after twelve months or 199 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: at the end of each season? 200 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: A constant review. We're always at that space because you 201 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: learn from experiences, you get feedback from clubs, you get 202 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: a bit more of an understanding of how some things 203 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: are working and impacting clubs. So we're constantly reviewing, We're 204 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: constantly listening, and we're constantly trying to find the right balance. 205 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: Our challenge is to try and support all twelve of 206 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: our clubs. It's hard to get that balance right. If 207 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: I ever make every club happy, I'm maybe lying to. 208 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: Them, I reckon, so it'd be hard to keep everybody happy. 209 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Lee Elder, afl NTS Community Football Manager. Good to catch 210 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: up with you this morning. I appreciate you walking us 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: through all of these changes, and no doubt we'll talk 212 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: again soon. 213 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: Pleasure. 214 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: Thank you,