WEBVTT - Victoria's pill testing plan

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is this is the Daily This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Daily OS. Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifth of November. I'm Harry, I'm Zara. Victoria will roll

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<v Speaker 1>out its first pill test at a music festival this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty five thousand people attending Beyond the Valley will have

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<v Speaker 1>access to the drug checking service for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>as part of the state government's plans to conduct more

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<v Speaker 1>trials across Victoria. Health experts and youth support workers will

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<v Speaker 1>be stationed at the pop up pill testing site to

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<v Speaker 1>analyze drug samples and give advice to young festival goers.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's Deep Dive, you'll hear my chat with Victoria's

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<v Speaker 1>premieer just sin to Allen on the state's liftoff of

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<v Speaker 1>pill testing and why she has changed her mind on

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<v Speaker 1>drug harmt minimization.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Harry, it's a really interesting topic and I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to jumping into your interview with the premiere.

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<v Speaker 2>I do just want to make a note very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>before we do this podcast that you mentioned at the

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<v Speaker 2>top there that the pill testing will run at Beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the Valley and just for full transparency. Beyond the Valley

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<v Speaker 2>is run by a group called Untitled, and Untitled our

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<v Speaker 2>investors in the Daily OS that said, there has been

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely zero editorial oversight by Untitled on this story, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have run it completely separate from any relationship we

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<v Speaker 2>might have with them in a commercial capacity. Without out

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<v Speaker 2>of the way, though, I do want to get into

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<v Speaker 2>pill testing for those listening who might not be familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>what actually is the process to get a pill tested.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way it works is that someone turns up

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<v Speaker 1>to a pill testing center. They'll hand over a small

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<v Speaker 1>quantity of the drug. It goes through a chemical analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>which takes about fifteen minutes, and then a professional or

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<v Speaker 1>will take the person through the results and give some

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<v Speaker 1>personalized health advice. So you could end up being asked

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<v Speaker 1>about your medical history or any pre existing conditions you

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<v Speaker 1>might have. And the whole point of pill testing is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's meant to stop people taking dangerous substances that

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<v Speaker 1>might exist within what people understand to be a recreational drug.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to be really clear. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that taking illegal drugs becomes legal, but this is a

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<v Speaker 1>space where you can get professional advice and some real

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<v Speaker 1>time information about the drugs that someone might be consuming.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obviously a really contentious topic, and I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get into some of the pros and

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<v Speaker 2>cons I guess that have been identified, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>just want to zero in on Victoria first because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the state that is currently undergoing this pill testing trial

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<v Speaker 2>that you have just mentioned. How did this come to be?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did Victoria suddenly come around to this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>pill testing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's been a lot of discussion about the possible

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<v Speaker 1>of bringing in pill testing, especially in the last few years,

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<v Speaker 1>because Victoria's seen some really high overdose numbers and it's

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<v Speaker 1>made headlines for some mass overdoses. So, for instance, there

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<v Speaker 1>was an incident at the hard Mission Festival, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an electronic festival earlier this year, when nine people were

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<v Speaker 1>taken to hospital from a suspected overdose. Paramatics in the

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<v Speaker 1>state also responded to more cases of overdoses in Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>in the first three months of this year compared to

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<v Speaker 1>all of twenty twenty three, and last year also had

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<v Speaker 1>a high rate of deaths from overdoses that was five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty seven people in total, and in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two there were five hundred and fifty overdose deaths

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<v Speaker 1>in the state. And these were all details that came

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<v Speaker 1>through at the start of October in a report from

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<v Speaker 1>the Victorian Coroner's Court, which is the court that looks

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<v Speaker 1>at causes of death. And now a week after that

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<v Speaker 1>coroner's review came out, and also after many months of

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<v Speaker 1>fielding questions about whether they were going to do anything

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<v Speaker 1>about pill testing, the government introduced legislation to make it

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<v Speaker 1>legal and it passed within weeks. And now we know

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<v Speaker 1>that Beyond the Valley is going to be the first

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<v Speaker 1>place to roll this out. So I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>the Victorian Premier to Cintra Allen about how this new

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<v Speaker 1>trial is going to work, and here's that chat. Premier

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<v Speaker 1>to Cintra Allan, thank you so much for joining the Daily.

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<v Speaker 3>As great to join you again, Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>So Beyond the Valley is going to be the first

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<v Speaker 1>pill testing trial in Victoria. Can you just talk me

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<v Speaker 1>through what led you to this decision?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, of course, Harry, as we've spoken about previously, we've

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<v Speaker 3>made the decision to bring this pill testing pilot to

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<v Speaker 3>the state because we know it saves lives. We know

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence tells us that it saves lives, and we

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<v Speaker 3>made the commitment to begin it with music festivals for

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<v Speaker 3>this coming summer. So Beyond the Valley has been identified

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<v Speaker 3>as one of the first sits, the first music festival sites.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in a great part of our state, in the

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<v Speaker 3>Golden plain Shire, and it's a big festival. There's something

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<v Speaker 3>like thirty five thousand attendees go every year and it's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously mostly people under thirty. So it's exactly the sort

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<v Speaker 3>of place where we know that this pill testing work

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<v Speaker 3>will be effective, particularly as one of the first sites

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<v Speaker 3>that we're rolling out here in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say festival attendee shows up on the day

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<v Speaker 1>and wants to get a pill tested. What does that

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<v Speaker 1>process look like.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll be working with a health services provider and

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<v Speaker 3>they will have a range of both generalists and specialist

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<v Speaker 3>health practitioners on site. I think what's really important to

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<v Speaker 3>emphasize here is that it will be a fairly simple

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<v Speaker 3>and effective way for the substance to be tested. It's

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<v Speaker 3>expected that to take about fifteen minutes and people can

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<v Speaker 3>come with you know, it can test pills and capsules

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<v Speaker 3>and liquids and power. They can come and have the

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<v Speaker 3>product tested and they'll also too And this is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the key features behind why we know that this

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<v Speaker 3>health intervention supports young people is that they'll also be

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<v Speaker 3>getting some good health advice as well about both what's

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<v Speaker 3>in the substance but also how to party safely and

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<v Speaker 3>have a good time at the festival.

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<v Speaker 1>Will it be confidential and anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely. This is all part of that great health

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<v Speaker 3>care focus that we will be providing through the health

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<v Speaker 3>providers that have been contracted to deliver the service. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you also step back and think about this in

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<v Speaker 3>that broader context too, paramedics responded to more drug overdoses

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<v Speaker 3>at festivals in the first three months of this year

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<v Speaker 3>than during the whole of twenty twenty three, so we

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<v Speaker 3>know that this is this is an issue, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why we've put legislation to the Parliament in Victoria this

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<v Speaker 3>year and we're now starting the program with the first

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<v Speaker 3>of the first over this coming summer.

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<v Speaker 1>So does this mean that beyond the Valley and some

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<v Speaker 1>other festivals where you're hoping to have this pill testing

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<v Speaker 1>service trialed, there will still be sniffer dogs and police

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<v Speaker 1>cracking down and arresting people for taking and bringing drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, the testing, the pill testing part is what is

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<v Speaker 3>supported by the legislative framework. But let's be really clear,

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<v Speaker 3>the possession and use of illicit substances is still illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>That is still illegal. What the legislation provides for is

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<v Speaker 3>a space where it can be anonymous, it can be supported,

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<v Speaker 3>where the pills can be tested, that advice can be provided.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is an important distinction, a really important distinction

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of how police operationally respond and support festivals

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<v Speaker 3>and festival goers. That's a matter for how they respond

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<v Speaker 3>because of course they work with the festival organizers, paramedics,

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<v Speaker 3>ambulance services, local community and other services. So those operational

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<v Speaker 3>decisions are a matter for police. What is being provided

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<v Speaker 3>here is safe advice and testing of substances for festival goers.

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<v Speaker 1>So the normal practices of law enforcement, which can involve

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<v Speaker 1>strip searchers for instance, will still go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, those are operational decisions, Harry, that are made by

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria Police, and they would be decisions that would not

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<v Speaker 3>sit around the pill testing site, because if you like,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a there is a space that's created through

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<v Speaker 3>the legislation for the pill testing to be undertaken, for

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<v Speaker 3>it to be a space where festival goers can go

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<v Speaker 3>and get their substances tested. And I really want to

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<v Speaker 3>emphasize this.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I want we want festival goers to use this service.

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<v Speaker 4>We really really want festival goers to use this servers

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<v Speaker 4>because we know the evidence tells us that it saves lives.

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<v Speaker 4>We see that from the huge body of evidence that

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<v Speaker 4>comes out of the UK for example. So we want

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<v Speaker 4>festival goers to use this service to know that they

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<v Speaker 4>can come and the substance can be tested and they

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<v Speaker 4>can get the advice. Yes, outside of the testing service,

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<v Speaker 4>the use and possession of illicit substances is still illegal.

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<v Speaker 4>It's still illegal, and how police respond to those incidences

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<v Speaker 4>are a matter for police. What we're providing is the

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<v Speaker 4>space where the health advice can be provided.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back with the rest of the interview

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<v Speaker 1>just after this quick message from our sponsor. So, what

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<v Speaker 1>does a successful pill testing service look like to you?

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<v Speaker 1>When we sort of see the wrap up of what's

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<v Speaker 1>happened to beyond the valley, What are those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>signs you're looking for? You're looking at the rates of

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<v Speaker 1>disposing drugs. Are you looking at the rate of intercepting

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<v Speaker 1>harmful substances?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, there's a combination of things that we want to see.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see festival goers using the service first

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<v Speaker 3>and foremost, or want to see festival goers coming and

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<v Speaker 3>being confident that they know that they can use this service,

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<v Speaker 3>get the advice both on the substances, but also that

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<v Speaker 3>broader advice around how to have a great time at

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<v Speaker 3>the festival in a really safe way. Also, two, we

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<v Speaker 3>have the opportunity, should substances be found to be particularly harmful,

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<v Speaker 3>that that information is shared with festival goers. And then

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<v Speaker 3>also too, we know that the service that is being

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<v Speaker 3>set up can test something like two hundred samples a day,

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<v Speaker 3>So I really want that number to be reached, and

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<v Speaker 3>that will be with festival goers knowing that they can

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<v Speaker 3>come and have the confidence to use the service.

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<v Speaker 1>And if some of those identifiable areas of success that

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<v Speaker 1>I've outlined there, if that's not met, would you consider

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<v Speaker 1>rolling back some of these reforms with pill testing?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, we know pill testing works. We know pill

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<v Speaker 3>testing works and that it saves lives. We've seen that

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<v Speaker 3>from the evidence overseas. Obviously, this is the first time

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<v Speaker 3>it's being introduced here in Victoria, so we will over

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<v Speaker 3>the course of this summer evaluate really carefully. The sites

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<v Speaker 3>that this is being rolled out on were also will

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<v Speaker 3>be moving next year to having a number of fixed

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<v Speaker 3>locations where pill testing can be provided from around Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 3>If you'd asked me a few years ago, Harry on

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<v Speaker 3>my views on this, I would have said at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't convinced at the time when it came to

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<v Speaker 3>pill testing, But I have considered this more deeply as

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<v Speaker 3>my own kids have gotten older. I've talked to other

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<v Speaker 3>family members, people in a community. My perspectives have changed,

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<v Speaker 3>and it really also what was a big factor in

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<v Speaker 3>my decision was listening to parents, listening to parents of

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<v Speaker 3>kids who had had either a really terrible experience or

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<v Speaker 3>kids who'd lost their mates. So it is about knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that we've got this opportunity to keep young people safe,

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<v Speaker 3>which is why we're rolling out this measure.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine you've heard from some parents who are also

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit concerned about pill testing though, and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it as a green light to taking drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, it absolutely, it absolutely is not a green light.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, illegal substances remain just that they remain

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<v Speaker 3>illegal in terms of use and possession. But we also

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<v Speaker 3>know we also know that we can't bury our head

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<v Speaker 3>in the sand. And we also know that young people

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<v Speaker 3>are smart. This is one of the things that a

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<v Speaker 3>parent told me. Young people are smart. They just want

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<v Speaker 3>the information and we've got to give it to them.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we've got the opportunity to give them that

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<v Speaker 3>information and do it in a way that might save

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<v Speaker 3>a life, then it's absolutely worth doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You've spoken about your children getting to an age where

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<v Speaker 1>they're starting to go to festivals, and just as a

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<v Speaker 1>final thought, would you feel safer knowing that your kids

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<v Speaker 1>would be going to a festival like Beyond the Valley

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<v Speaker 1>and there is a pill testing service there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is about focusing on the health of young

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<v Speaker 3>people because the evidence tells us it saves lives, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why it's worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Premier de Cintra Allen, thank you so much for joining

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Harry, good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>until then, have a great Day. My name is mad

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Calcadion woman from Gadighl country.

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<v Speaker 3>We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries,

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