1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily This is 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: the Daily OS. Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, the twenty 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: fifth of November. I'm Harry, I'm Zara. Victoria will roll 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: out its first pill test at a music festival this summer. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Thirty five thousand people attending Beyond the Valley will have 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: access to the drug checking service for the first time 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: as part of the state government's plans to conduct more 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: trials across Victoria. Health experts and youth support workers will 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: be stationed at the pop up pill testing site to 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: analyze drug samples and give advice to young festival goers. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: In today's Deep Dive, you'll hear my chat with Victoria's 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: premieer just sin to Allen on the state's liftoff of 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: pill testing and why she has changed her mind on 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: drug harmt minimization. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: Now, Harry, it's a really interesting topic and I'm really 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: looking forward to jumping into your interview with the premiere. 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: I do just want to make a note very quickly 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: before we do this podcast that you mentioned at the 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: top there that the pill testing will run at Beyond 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: the Valley and just for full transparency. Beyond the Valley 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: is run by a group called Untitled, and Untitled our 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: investors in the Daily OS that said, there has been 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: absolutely zero editorial oversight by Untitled on this story, and 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: we have run it completely separate from any relationship we 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: might have with them in a commercial capacity. Without out 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: of the way, though, I do want to get into 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: pill testing for those listening who might not be familiar, 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: what actually is the process to get a pill tested. 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: So the way it works is that someone turns up 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: to a pill testing center. They'll hand over a small 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: quantity of the drug. It goes through a chemical analysis, 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: which takes about fifteen minutes, and then a professional or 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: will take the person through the results and give some 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: personalized health advice. So you could end up being asked 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: about your medical history or any pre existing conditions you 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: might have. And the whole point of pill testing is 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: that it's meant to stop people taking dangerous substances that 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: might exist within what people understand to be a recreational drug. 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: I just want to be really clear. It doesn't mean 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: that taking illegal drugs becomes legal, but this is a 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: space where you can get professional advice and some real 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: time information about the drugs that someone might be consuming. 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: It's obviously a really contentious topic, and I know that 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: you're going to get into some of the pros and 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: cons I guess that have been identified, but I do 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: just want to zero in on Victoria first because that's 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: the state that is currently undergoing this pill testing trial 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: that you have just mentioned. How did this come to be? 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: Why did Victoria suddenly come around to this idea of 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: pill testing. 52 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, there's been a lot of discussion about the possible 53 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: of bringing in pill testing, especially in the last few years, 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: because Victoria's seen some really high overdose numbers and it's 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: made headlines for some mass overdoses. So, for instance, there 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: was an incident at the hard Mission Festival, which is 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: an electronic festival earlier this year, when nine people were 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: taken to hospital from a suspected overdose. Paramatics in the 59 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: state also responded to more cases of overdoses in Victoria 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: in the first three months of this year compared to 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: all of twenty twenty three, and last year also had 62 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: a high rate of deaths from overdoses that was five 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven people in total, and in twenty 64 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: twenty two there were five hundred and fifty overdose deaths 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: in the state. And these were all details that came 66 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: through at the start of October in a report from 67 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: the Victorian Coroner's Court, which is the court that looks 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: at causes of death. And now a week after that 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: coroner's review came out, and also after many months of 70 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: fielding questions about whether they were going to do anything 71 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: about pill testing, the government introduced legislation to make it 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: legal and it passed within weeks. And now we know 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: that Beyond the Valley is going to be the first 74 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: place to roll this out. So I wanted to ask 75 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: the Victorian Premier to Cintra Allen about how this new 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: trial is going to work, and here's that chat. Premier 77 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: to Cintra Allan, thank you so much for joining the Daily. 78 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: As great to join you again, Harry. 79 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: So Beyond the Valley is going to be the first 80 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: pill testing trial in Victoria. Can you just talk me 81 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: through what led you to this decision? 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: Well, of course, Harry, as we've spoken about previously, we've 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: made the decision to bring this pill testing pilot to 84 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: the state because we know it saves lives. We know 85 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: the evidence tells us that it saves lives, and we 86 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: made the commitment to begin it with music festivals for 87 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: this coming summer. So Beyond the Valley has been identified 88 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: as one of the first sits, the first music festival sites. 89 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: It's in a great part of our state, in the 90 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 3: Golden plain Shire, and it's a big festival. There's something 91 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: like thirty five thousand attendees go every year and it's 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: obviously mostly people under thirty. So it's exactly the sort 93 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: of place where we know that this pill testing work 94 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: will be effective, particularly as one of the first sites 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: that we're rolling out here in Victoria. 96 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: So let's say festival attendee shows up on the day 97 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: and wants to get a pill tested. What does that 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: process look like. 99 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: So we'll be working with a health services provider and 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: they will have a range of both generalists and specialist 101 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 3: health practitioners on site. I think what's really important to 102 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: emphasize here is that it will be a fairly simple 103 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: and effective way for the substance to be tested. It's 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: expected that to take about fifteen minutes and people can 105 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: come with you know, it can test pills and capsules 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: and liquids and power. They can come and have the 107 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: product tested and they'll also too And this is one 108 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: of the key features behind why we know that this 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: health intervention supports young people is that they'll also be 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: getting some good health advice as well about both what's 111 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: in the substance but also how to party safely and 112 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 3: have a good time at the festival. 113 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: Will it be confidential and anonymous. 114 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. This is all part of that great health 115 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: care focus that we will be providing through the health 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: providers that have been contracted to deliver the service. And 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: if you also step back and think about this in 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: that broader context too, paramedics responded to more drug overdoses 119 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: at festivals in the first three months of this year 120 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: than during the whole of twenty twenty three, so we 121 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 3: know that this is this is an issue, which is 122 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: why we've put legislation to the Parliament in Victoria this 123 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: year and we're now starting the program with the first 124 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: of the first over this coming summer. 125 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: So does this mean that beyond the Valley and some 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: other festivals where you're hoping to have this pill testing 127 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: service trialed, there will still be sniffer dogs and police 128 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: cracking down and arresting people for taking and bringing drugs. 129 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: Look, the testing, the pill testing part is what is 130 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: supported by the legislative framework. But let's be really clear, 131 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: the possession and use of illicit substances is still illegal. 132 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: That is still illegal. What the legislation provides for is 133 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: a space where it can be anonymous, it can be supported, 134 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: where the pills can be tested, that advice can be provided. 135 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: And this is an important distinction, a really important distinction 136 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: in terms of how police operationally respond and support festivals 137 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: and festival goers. That's a matter for how they respond 138 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: because of course they work with the festival organizers, paramedics, 139 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: ambulance services, local community and other services. So those operational 140 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: decisions are a matter for police. What is being provided 141 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: here is safe advice and testing of substances for festival goers. 142 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: So the normal practices of law enforcement, which can involve 143 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: strip searchers for instance, will still go ahead. 144 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: Well, those are operational decisions, Harry, that are made by 145 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: Victoria Police, and they would be decisions that would not 146 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: sit around the pill testing site, because if you like, 147 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: there is a there is a space that's created through 148 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: the legislation for the pill testing to be undertaken, for 149 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: it to be a space where festival goers can go 150 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: and get their substances tested. And I really want to 151 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: emphasize this. 152 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: Because I want we want festival goers to use this service. 153 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 4: We really really want festival goers to use this servers 154 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: because we know the evidence tells us that it saves lives. 155 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: We see that from the huge body of evidence that 156 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: comes out of the UK for example. So we want 157 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 4: festival goers to use this service to know that they 158 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: can come and the substance can be tested and they 159 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 4: can get the advice. Yes, outside of the testing service, 160 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 4: the use and possession of illicit substances is still illegal. 161 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 4: It's still illegal, and how police respond to those incidences 162 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: are a matter for police. What we're providing is the 163 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: space where the health advice can be provided. 164 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with the rest of the interview 165 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: just after this quick message from our sponsor. So, what 166 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: does a successful pill testing service look like to you? 167 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: When we sort of see the wrap up of what's 168 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: happened to beyond the valley, What are those kind of 169 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: signs you're looking for? You're looking at the rates of 170 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: disposing drugs. Are you looking at the rate of intercepting 171 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: harmful substances? 172 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: Look, there's a combination of things that we want to see. 173 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: I want to see festival goers using the service first 174 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 3: and foremost, or want to see festival goers coming and 175 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: being confident that they know that they can use this service, 176 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: get the advice both on the substances, but also that 177 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: broader advice around how to have a great time at 178 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: the festival in a really safe way. Also, two, we 179 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: have the opportunity, should substances be found to be particularly harmful, 180 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: that that information is shared with festival goers. And then 181 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: also too, we know that the service that is being 182 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: set up can test something like two hundred samples a day, 183 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 3: So I really want that number to be reached, and 184 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: that will be with festival goers knowing that they can 185 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: come and have the confidence to use the service. 186 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: And if some of those identifiable areas of success that 187 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: I've outlined there, if that's not met, would you consider 188 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: rolling back some of these reforms with pill testing? 189 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: Well, well, we know pill testing works. We know pill 190 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: testing works and that it saves lives. We've seen that 191 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 3: from the evidence overseas. Obviously, this is the first time 192 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: it's being introduced here in Victoria, so we will over 193 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: the course of this summer evaluate really carefully. The sites 194 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 3: that this is being rolled out on were also will 195 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: be moving next year to having a number of fixed 196 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: locations where pill testing can be provided from around Melbourne. 197 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: If you'd asked me a few years ago, Harry on 198 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: my views on this, I would have said at the time, 199 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: I wasn't convinced at the time when it came to 200 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: pill testing, But I have considered this more deeply as 201 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: my own kids have gotten older. I've talked to other 202 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: family members, people in a community. My perspectives have changed, 203 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: and it really also what was a big factor in 204 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: my decision was listening to parents, listening to parents of 205 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: kids who had had either a really terrible experience or 206 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: kids who'd lost their mates. So it is about knowing 207 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: that we've got this opportunity to keep young people safe, 208 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: which is why we're rolling out this measure. 209 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: I imagine you've heard from some parents who are also 210 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about pill testing though, and perhaps 211 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: seeing it as a green light to taking drugs. 212 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it absolutely, it absolutely is not a green light. 213 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: As I said, illegal substances remain just that they remain 214 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 3: illegal in terms of use and possession. But we also 215 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: know we also know that we can't bury our head 216 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: in the sand. And we also know that young people 217 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: are smart. This is one of the things that a 218 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: parent told me. Young people are smart. They just want 219 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: the information and we've got to give it to them. 220 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: And if we've got the opportunity to give them that 221 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: information and do it in a way that might save 222 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: a life, then it's absolutely worth doing. 223 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: You've spoken about your children getting to an age where 224 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: they're starting to go to festivals, and just as a 225 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: final thought, would you feel safer knowing that your kids 226 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: would be going to a festival like Beyond the Valley 227 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: and there is a pill testing service there. 228 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: Yes, this is about focusing on the health of young 229 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: people because the evidence tells us it saves lives, and 230 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: that's why it's worth it. 231 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: Premier de Cintra Allen, thank you so much for joining 232 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: The Daily Ours. 233 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: Thanks Harry, good to talk to you. 234 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to The Daily Ours. 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