1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Of course it is Friday morning. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning, we've got the Deputy 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Opposition Leader Jared Mayley, Good morning to you. 5 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. 6 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: And we've got Keesyer Puric, the Independent member for Goida, 7 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 8 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Keezier, Morning Katie, Morning bush people. And we've got Nicole 9 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Mallison and the policeman. Good morning to you man. 10 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: Good morning. 11 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 4: Yes, the one towny left, I'm the members of parliament heresse. 12 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Two deputies. 13 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Said that Deputy Chief Minister, Well, I tell you what, 14 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: it's been an incredibly busy week, like I always say 15 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: when we get to Friday, but we know that the 16 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: masks and check ins, well, there was some serious changes 17 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: made in this space throughout the week. The masks are 18 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: coming off on Monday, and the check in system well 19 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: it has been really scaled right back. You no longer 20 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: need to check in, unless, of course, you are going 21 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: into one of those licensed premises, in which case you've 22 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: got to prove you've vaccinated. 23 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 5: Yes, so BAX passes there. 24 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: You don't need to do the mandate tree check in, 25 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 4: but you can show your vaccination status. The easiest ways 26 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 4: probably through the check in app or you know, some 27 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: people have certificates on their phone as well. 28 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: So just on that, because I know there was lots 29 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: of people listening to the show yesterday who would have 30 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: heard Alex Bruce raise those real concerns on the show 31 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: yesterday about them still having to have people check in. 32 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: He'd messaged me by the time the. 33 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: Show had finished yesterday and said that he'd had that 34 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: clarification from the government that that wasn't going to. 35 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: Be the case. 36 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: So just to reiterate their mantno, essentially, you'll be able 37 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: to go in without checking in, but you'll have to 38 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: show you vaxed passportion. 39 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's it, because they're still under the vaxpass system. 40 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 4: How they go and look at that will be up 41 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: to that venue because they're the ones who understand their 42 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 4: resources and what they need to do, but not the 43 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 4: mandatory check in, do the QR code at the front door. 44 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: What will happen then, because now obviously we've got travelers 45 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: coming from interstate who no longer need to be vaccinated, 46 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: and also travelers coming from overseas who only need to 47 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: be double vaxed. 48 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: So how's that going to work? 49 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: So again, and then they're going to have to look 50 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: at their vaccination certification there. And with regards to people 51 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 4: who have not been vaccinated, we know that the numbers 52 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: of those are very, very low. 53 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 5: And that was why that decision was made. 54 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: Of the sad reality of it is is that people 55 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: had more chance of catching COVID nineteen within the Northern 56 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 4: Territory than from interstate. 57 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 6: Okatie. I'm on sure as to if the checking code 58 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 6: or checking requirement is not there, masks are not there? Yeah, 59 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 6: why do customers still have to show the vaccination status 60 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 6: at a licensed premises? Yeah? 61 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. 62 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 5: And is that going to change? 63 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 6: Is that going to change in the future? 64 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 5: Were easy, you. 65 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 7: Won't, I think keep showing because why would you say 66 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 7: you're going to catch COVID at a licensed premises versus 67 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 7: say the eatery at Casherina or calling Es Central where 68 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 7: there's still a lot of people there having their coffees 69 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 7: and big groups of people or schools or childcares. So 70 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 7: is it really just singing that one particular group who 71 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 7: that group out there makes money for us? Remember that 72 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 7: there's a lot of money licened premises. They pay their taxes, 73 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 7: they employ people versus the just going to this food hall. 74 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: So I'm just confused of. 75 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 7: Why that's happening in relation to picking on one particular 76 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 7: sector when. 77 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: COVID's here, we're. 78 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 7: Past a peak, I understand listening to the government, we're 79 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 7: on the downhill slide, hopefully fingers crossed, the mass off 80 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 7: the check in is going. Why we still got this 81 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 7: restricting singly at one particular group when in my view 82 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 7: and I think if you have lots of people who 83 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 7: speak to me, you're just as likely to catch COVID 84 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 7: at a school hall, or a shopping center, or a 85 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 7: food court, a pub. 86 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 5: So it's something that we're constantly reviewing. 87 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: I think you can see throughout this pandemic, things change 88 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: very quickly, and we're constantly looking at the evidence that's 89 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 4: coming in, the information, the data, and we change when 90 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 4: we need to change, when we think that the health 91 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: advice is there, and we do make those decisions. So 92 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: we meet regularly as a Security and Emergency Management Committee 93 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: of the Cabinet, we. 94 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 5: Look at these very issues. 95 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 4: The latest device that we had was okay from Monday, 96 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: the mass mandate is gone, and I think we're all 97 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: breathing a big sigh of relief from that. I think 98 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: territories have done an amazing job with their compliance, but 99 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: we can see we're past that peak. Those numbers are 100 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: coming down and also they're checking out. But we'll continue 101 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 4: reviewing the vax pass issues and other measures as well. 102 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: So it could be a case set that vax pass 103 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: measure is not in place. Inevitably, it's going to be 104 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: there for a little while and at some stage, hopefully 105 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: in the near future, that'll change. 106 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 5: We constantly review our measures. 107 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 4: We understand that compliance within the community is really important 108 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: and the community's been so great throughout this pandemic of 109 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 4: going along with the Chief Health Officers directions, So we 110 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: constantly review our settings. 111 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: Madam, Why are we waiting un till Monday to take 112 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: the masks off? Why aren't we doing it at the 113 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: SAVO so. 114 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 6: We can get the week in. 115 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, and for those traders that have 116 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: really suffered, it would be a good scene. 117 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: And again I thank everybody, particularly our hospitality sector. They 118 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: have been brilliant throughout this pandemic. So thank you Alex 119 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 4: and to Paul Palmer for their amazing leadership as well. 120 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: But we're waiting until Monday. The numbers are still around 121 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 4: six hundred a day. We have seen it come down 122 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: from around the peak, which was over one thousand a day. 123 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 4: We're seeing hospitalizations reduced. I think we're down to about 124 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 4: fifty in our hospitals at the moment. But the discussions 125 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 4: we've had, the advice we've had was Monday. But from 126 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: Monday away we go mass free except for in those 127 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: very high resettings like hospitals and aged care, which I 128 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 4: think we can all understand. But thank you everyone for 129 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 4: their patients. 130 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 7: It seems talk is pretty cheap from the government. You know, 131 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 7: why you say thank you to the hospitality and Alex 132 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 7: for doing that, But why not remove the mask because 133 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 7: we all know and they've told us that that's a 134 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 7: big impediment on their businesses. People going there and they're 135 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 7: just not going there because we're a mask. So if 136 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 7: you're going to thank them, why not get the masks off. 137 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 7: And in relation to what we're saying, is that for 138 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 7: our legislation change of making show report every three months. 139 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 7: I know you've already come and said you're against that. 140 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 7: Why is that? What were's the information? It's already there, 141 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 7: the access that you've got to collect that in any way, 142 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 7: and the show's got to keep written records, So why 143 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 7: not be open and transparency territory and provide them information 144 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 7: which to chose is required to keep ball or anyway. 145 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 5: A few things. 146 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 4: He is first and foremost that we've always followed the 147 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 4: health advice and it served us very well for two 148 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: years of this pandemic, unlike the CLP, who would have 149 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: opened up the borders when that Melbourne Wealth. And the 150 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: other point when we talk about reporting, so the CLP 151 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: apparently can't keep their ears open every day when there 152 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 4: is a daily update on where the COVID situation is. 153 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: We front the Troy question and we do all this week. 154 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: We have been keeping the public updated. But we're now 155 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 4: living with COVID. And here is the CLP, you can't 156 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: keep the ears open every day and wants to ask 157 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: for a report every three months when they when they 158 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 4: can't be bothered looking at the information that goes out. 159 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: A pretty important question. When is the emergency declaration going 160 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: to be lifted? I'm pretty sure in other states they 161 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: are taking a closer look at that. 162 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 5: I just don't have the date off the top of 163 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: my head. 164 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: Katie. 165 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 5: But we'll get back to you with that. 166 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: But it is going to be lifted at some soon. 167 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 4: We will get that to you that information. I just 168 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: don't have that information. 169 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: Okay, because once that emergency declaration is lifted, it does 170 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: make things different, doesn't it in terms of there's not 171 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: going to be able to sort of be those rush 172 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: through legislative changes and things are there when it comes 173 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: to the pandemic. 174 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: So we've made the decisions throughout this pandemic that we've 175 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 4: needed to do to keep territory and safe, to have 176 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: the time to understand COVID, to get everybody vaccinated, and 177 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 4: to be ready for this point where we're at. So 178 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 4: we've constantly reviewed our legislative settings, our chief Health Officer 179 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: directions throughout this process, and we will continue to do 180 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: so because COVID's here for a while yet longer, and 181 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: I think we can't be complacent and we will change 182 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 4: the settings as we see that they need to be 183 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: changed to respond to the challenges what we have. 184 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: Just for our listeners, I suppose when it comes to 185 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: that emergency declaration, they'll be thinking to themselves what exactly 186 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: does that mean? But ultimately, when that lifts that will mean, 187 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: for example, that you guys won't have the daily meetings 188 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: I'm assuming like your simpsey meetings. And it will also 189 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: mean that you know, the way that things are rolling 190 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: out with COVID, will that change, will change. 191 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 6: Directions. 192 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 7: Maybe put my lawyer hat on here, because you know, ultimately, 193 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 7: remember the chose directions are the mandates. For example, they 194 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 7: promptly chose, so once the health decoration is lifted, they 195 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 7: no longer enforced. 196 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: So things like your vaccination. 197 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 7: So that's unless the government tries to change legislation and 198 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 7: actually put it in some sort of work health or 199 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 7: some other legislation. So that's going to get lifted. So 200 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 7: all the chose orders fall away once they chose stop. 201 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: So what I'll say is that we're going to be 202 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 4: making sure that the settings that we have going forward 203 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: meet what we see other challenges coming up with COVID. 204 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 5: We've learned a lot of lessons in the. 205 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: Last two years about how to manage through a pandemic 206 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: and the settings that you need to have, So there 207 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: are things that we are looking at. How do we 208 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: move forward because you know, we are going through another 209 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: phase of COVID. I don't think we can all predict 210 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: exactly where we'll be in twelve months time, so we 211 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 4: need to have the right footing to be able to 212 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: respond to challenges if they keep coming up. 213 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: But by the sounds of it, that emergency declaration is 214 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: not far away from being lifted. 215 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: So we're looking at the settings and what we think 216 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 4: will be right Katie. 217 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 5: And the thing I just want to. 218 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: Stress everybody out there is that we've got a proven 219 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: track record of doing everything we can to keep people safe, 220 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: keep the economy going, save jobs throughout this pandemic. We're 221 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: going to continue making sure we have the settings in 222 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 4: place where we take the best medical advice, we look 223 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: at the economic situation and we move forward. 224 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 5: So you know, we're a stronger territory coming out of 225 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 5: this pandemic. 226 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: Can we just talk about that proven track record. 227 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 7: Remember COVID came over two years ago and they're goun 228 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 7: to come out and said we're going to closing borders 229 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 7: to get a health system ready to go. And since 230 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 7: that we've had five code yellows into our hospital, our 231 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 7: only hospital up here. So unfortunately, I think your proven 232 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 7: track record is going downhill right up there. And we're 233 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 7: in a world tour because our health system system is 234 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 7: in dire straits. 235 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: Can we just finish system? For many years? 236 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: These two a fight up this morning, gone down down. 237 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: I think people want to know. 238 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 6: Listeners want to know, especially business people and employers, when 239 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 6: the man dated vaccination status and employment will be lifted. Well, 240 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 6: that's part of the emergency response. Well, that's what people 241 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 6: are interested in. 242 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: I agree. 243 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 6: I can't speak for the public service, but I know 244 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 6: a lot of the employers. Danny Scus was a classic. 245 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 6: You know, he doesn't want to be vaccinated, so he 246 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 6: has to leave his own business. The man the windscreen man, 247 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 6: for example, that got into strife. So that's what people 248 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 6: are interested in. 249 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: When I like the thing is it's we all understand 250 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: that this thing has been really frightening for a couple 251 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: of years, Like we all understand why that emergency declaration 252 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: has been in place for a couple of years. 253 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: But I did not. 254 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: I think it was South Australia who's who started that 255 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: discussion about it, And so I thought to myself, I 256 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: do wonder when we are going to look at lifting 257 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: it here in the Northern Territory, because at some point 258 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: life has to get back to normal. We know that 259 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: things are going to be a bit different, but life 260 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 2: does need to get back to normal. And I think 261 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: a lot of people will be wondering, well, how long 262 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: am I going to have to, you know, make sure 263 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: that I'm double vax, triple vax, whatever it is. 264 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 7: Was COVID really a serious emergency now anymore anymore? And 265 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 7: it was at the beginning, and accept that, But now 266 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 7: we know a lot more about it. Our treatments are 267 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 7: a lot better. Hopefully hospitals are ready to treat people 268 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 7: in it. I'm not saying hospital systems good, but hopefully 269 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 7: their treatments better. And if you do get COVID and 270 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 7: those un like if you who get sick, there's treatment 271 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 7: available to fix you and get you back into good health. 272 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 7: So is it really an emergency anymore? My suggestion would 273 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 7: be it's certainly not as what it was at the beginning, 274 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 7: and that needs to be looked at because it can't 275 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 7: keep going on and on and on, because we need 276 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 7: to get back to normally. 277 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: We need to get on with life. 278 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: And that's what we're all striving for. But we have 279 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: to be very realistic here. We've just gone through two 280 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 4: years of managing a global pandemic. And one of the 281 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: most vulnerable places in all of the nation. And we've 282 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: done the hard work to get everybody ready, to get 283 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: everybody vaccinated, and that's included some tough stances on vaccination, 284 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: and we make no apology for that because it was 285 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: about making sure that our healthcare system could cope when 286 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: it came through. I've got to say, though, on anti 287 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 4: vaccination though, the CLP has got a bit of a 288 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: worrisome record there. You've just had somebody who go stands 289 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: up at anti vaccination rallies run for your party president 290 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: and significant number of people in the CLP vote for 291 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: an anti VAXXA saying that the CLP don't really believe 292 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 4: in vaccination. 293 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: President did it any. 294 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 3: Because I'll just explained it. 295 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 7: In our constitution is that if the presidents have decided, 296 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 7: the vice president step over. So we're just simply following 297 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 7: our constitution. Robus party who can do that to the. 298 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: We will get to the CLP discussion a little bit 299 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: later this morning. Hey, before we get there, though, I've 300 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: just had a caller question come through to my producer, Dannielle, 301 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: wondering will unvaccinated people eventually be allowed back to work 302 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: when that declaration is lifted. 303 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 6: That's mandated vaccination. Yes status I'm trying to get clarification 304 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 6: of yeah, So good. 305 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: Question to understanding that. 306 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 7: My understanding is once the health orders are lifted, that's 307 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 7: because that's what it's enforcing it now. So unless the 308 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 7: government change the legislation and bringing in something through legislation 309 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 7: somewhere else, which is their choice, I guess man, I 310 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 7: that'll be, it's going to fall away. 311 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: So again we're working through those details of what it 312 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: looks going forward. 313 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a very short break. 314 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine. 315 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 2: It is the week that was If you've just joined us, 316 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: it is the week that was this morning Jered Mayley, 317 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Keizy Epiric and Nicole Madison. Now, earlier in the week, 318 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: we saw that terrible vision emerge from the Funny Bay 319 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: supermarket there and it was I think it was very 320 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: disappointing for everybody to see that there was a group 321 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: of people obviously fighting outside. The owner has stepped out 322 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: to try to get them to move along. There was 323 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: then a big rock picked up and it was really 324 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: a very dangerous situation. So I think that that frightened 325 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: everybody and made everybody feel pretty. 326 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Upset earlier in the week. 327 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: Now last night, unfortunately, another video has emerged. This time 328 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: you can see an older lady sleeping in the you know, 329 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: like in the little in the doorway. She is woken 330 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: by a group of youths who start throwing what appears 331 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: to be a brick or rock at their glass window, 332 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: which is obviously you know, very well sort of glazed, 333 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: but at that window. They do it for a few minutes, 334 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: by the look of things, eventually ripping it up enough 335 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: to be able to get in. If you haven't seen 336 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: the video, you'll be able to jump on the Mix 337 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: one O full nine website or Facebook page and you'll 338 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: be able to see it on there. Then you have 339 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: this whole group of youths get inside, they get into 340 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: the smoke area. 341 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: They then get into the alcohol area. 342 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: They throw bricks at the glass windows in the alcohol area, 343 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: stell alcohol and steal cigarettes. Like you just got to 344 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: kind of ask yourself how much can one business take? 345 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: And it's bloody disgraceful what these people have done, absolutely disgraceful. 346 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 4: There there there is no acceptable reason for them doing this. 347 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 4: So for the lot overnight Strikeforce Trident has all those details. 348 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: Please responded very quickly to get out there, and they 349 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: are looking for you, so you will be caught, especially 350 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: when so many people in Darwin can now see your 351 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 4: information about it and the group earlier on the week. Again, 352 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: just the type of completely unacceptable anti social behavior. 353 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: Arrests have been made. 354 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: There are more charges that are going to be laid 355 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: with regards to that, but completely unacceptable. People shouldn't have 356 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 4: put up with that. Thank you to the police for 357 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: doing the work that they are doing. We do know 358 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 4: that we have got more people long grassing it in 359 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 4: town at the moment. I know that Assistant Commissioner Travis 360 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: Wurst was on yesterday. We've got our Public Places committee 361 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: that are looking at it, and we're trying to target 362 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: our resources where we know that there are anti social 363 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 4: behavior hot spots where we're seeing people camping. But I 364 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: just want to be clear upfront some of the challenges 365 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: we're faced with having more people out and about at 366 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: the moment has been of course, we know the wet 367 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: season tends to be a hot time of the year. 368 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: Because we get people in town, they get stuck for 369 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: weather reasons. We've also had biosecurity zones, and we've also 370 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: had COVID, and these have just been other factors that 371 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: have impacted it. 372 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,359 Speaker 5: We've had also our service providers. 373 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 4: They have done their best to stay open to provide services, 374 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: but some have been impacted by COVID as well. So 375 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: we're going to be continuing the work every day to 376 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 4: manage those people. Work with Flower Care about return to country, 377 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: working with our homelessness services, about making sure that we 378 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 4: can get people to take up a bed rather than 379 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: long grassing at where we can. 380 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: So usually because I think there's two very separate issues here. 381 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: Obviously there's the issue with youth crime, which we speak 382 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: about very regularly, and then there's the issue with people 383 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: sleeping on the streets. So usually we would have about 384 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: seven hundred people that are in town at any one 385 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: time from what I'm told living in the long Grass. 386 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: At the moment we've got more than two thousand. Now 387 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: I understand obviously those biosecurity zones have had an impact 388 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: and various other things like those COVID payments. But right 389 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: now what were is being done to try to return 390 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: people to countries. 391 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: So there's the cross government agency group that we've got 392 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 4: around public places, so it's Northern Territory government agencies, but 393 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: also working with non government agencies so places like Larakia, 394 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 4: places like US so. 395 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 5: Bring up shelter. Making sure that we're delivering the return 396 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 5: to Country program. 397 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 4: We've done work over the last few years to put 398 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 4: up more short term accommodation and you can see that 399 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: out there in the Multicultural Precinct where we've got accommodation 400 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: there for short term people staying in town. We've also 401 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 4: got ten million dollars from the federal government that they 402 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 4: promised last election for short term accommodation and that has 403 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: gone nowhere for the last three years, and they've just 404 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 4: come back and gone out with their candidate to re 405 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 4: announce that ten million dollars. 406 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 5: So that's something we'd also like to see. 407 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: Get out of the ground, but unfortunately, you know, that 408 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 4: hasn't come to fruition despite the promises there. 409 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: All right, Look, I want to say that I think 410 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 2: that the situation that we're in at the moment, it's 411 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: a lose lose for everybody. You know, we've got people 412 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: that are living in the long grass who in some 413 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: cases have got women and children with them. We spoke 414 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: to one of the assistant commissioners earlier in the week, 415 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 2: Michael White, who had told us that our domestic violence 416 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: rates are through the roof. So I think it's pretty 417 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: safe to say that people that are living in the 418 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: long grass, where there's alcohol being consumed in an inappropriate way, 419 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: it's bad for them. It's then bad for the wider 420 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 2: community that is having to deal with the ramifications of that. 421 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 2: And then you look at what's going on for businesses 422 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: right now. It's pretty mortifying some of the stuff that 423 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: we're saying. You know. I'll give the example of even 424 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: going to the shops to do the food shopping with 425 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: the kids at three in the afternoon, and I spoke 426 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: to Travis Wurst about this yesterday, and you're turning up 427 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: and there is people drinking in excess in that car 428 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 2: park and then throwing bottles at each other. And then 429 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: there's been an assault on an innocent person, you know, 430 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: in Casuarina just two weeks ago. At what point do 431 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: we go, right, we have like everybody needs to sit together, 432 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: we need to work out how the bloody hell we're 433 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: going to I thought they said. 434 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 7: It just shows that Labour's crime and alcohol policy is 435 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 7: not working, and I heard Manner just talk about ten 436 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 7: million dollars, you know, problems for years ago. But the 437 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 7: Labor government had been in power here for the last 438 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 7: six years in a row essentially, and for the last 439 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 7: seventeen in our last twenty. So enough's enough. You can't 440 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 7: just keep blaming everyone else. It's now time for Michael 441 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 7: Garner to set up and go this is a serious problem. 442 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 7: Pull his hair out of the sand, because we're not 443 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 7: only talking about Darwin. We're talking right across in Allthern territory. 444 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 7: Our of Springs is out of control. Have been down 445 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 7: there myself to see gangs of people walking around. It's 446 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 7: just unsafe. And I'm a tall, big bloke and I 447 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 7: feel unsafe. So imagine if you're there with her family, 448 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 7: it will just be absolutely terrible. So it is really 449 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 7: time to I've stopped blaming everyone else. The government have 450 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 7: been in power for at least six years in a row, 451 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 7: and our crime figures are through the roof. For example, 452 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 7: the alcohol related crime last year there's four two hundred 453 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 7: and ninety four reported assaults. There's in one twenty and 454 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 7: twelve months, and for our domestic violence five five hundred 455 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 7: and twelve. That's what twelve or thirteen a day and 456 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 7: every day right across the whole year. So just sai 457 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 7: back and say, are we going to get this ten 458 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 7: million dollars they promised four years ago, were finally going 459 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 7: to get it. But let's put the big picture here. 460 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 7: The government's been in power the crime. It's time to 461 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 7: get something done out of the sand. 462 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: But that's not what I'm saying there. What I'm saying 463 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 4: is that that is another opportunity there. There's been ten 464 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 4: million dollars there, and that's another piece of the puzzle. 465 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 4: We have to work together government, non government, federal government, 466 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: councils and the community because there are deep systemic issues 467 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 4: in the Northern. 468 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: Territory to do a poverty well. And I think we 469 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: need to have to run back the point that's being 470 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: made today. And honestly, I'm at the point as well 471 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: where I think I don't want to I don't want 472 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: this to be a political shift fight for want of 473 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 2: a better word. I think there needs to be some 474 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: serious change in this space. But in the immediate like 475 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: right now, what is happening today when it comes to 476 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: people on the streets that are drinking in excess. 477 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 5: So we have to I mean, sorry, Keaty, I'll let 478 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 5: you go. 479 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 6: Then only question I was going to pose is we 480 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 6: have our what do you call it? Show your license 481 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 6: when you sort of by alcohol takeaways and BDR. Now 482 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 6: I'm not saying people who do all these break ins 483 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 6: have lost their license, but if there's high domestic violence 484 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 6: rates and there's higher crime rates, my understanding was a 485 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 6: lot of those people get pot on the BDR. So 486 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 6: one of the issues that has to be considered in 487 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 6: the mix is the access to the alcohol. How do 488 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 6: they I'm apart from stealing it, but you know of 489 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 6: the fellows at the secondary supply or what's going on 490 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 6: by whatever. Now, there was an incident just down the 491 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 6: road from where I lived, just recently. Lots of people 492 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 6: I think they're from Managrita, they said one time they 493 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 6: hang out under the eaves of Bunning's place. Now there 494 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 6: was a violent assault there. One bloke was stabbed and 495 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 6: another lady was badly slashed. 496 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: Now is this a couple of days ago? Yep, yep, yep. 497 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 6: You know, like an alcohol related clearly, now I know 498 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 6: there's a bottle shop nearby, but they're still somehow the 499 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 6: access to alcohol is very easy and that has to 500 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 6: be looked at in the mix as well. 501 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 4: And secondary supply is a big issue. People who pedal 502 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 4: grow to problem drinkers. It's absolutely disgraceful. All our police 503 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 4: officers work hard when it comes to tackling secondary supply 504 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 4: through from a general duties level through to our property crime, 505 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: our remote cops and traffic will keep an eye out 506 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 4: on people that are grog running as well out to 507 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 4: remote communities. But olcohol is definitely at the core of 508 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: a lot of these issues to do with violence. 509 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: It absolutely is. 510 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: And you know, I think that at the end of 511 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: the day, everybody can see what the problems are. Everybody 512 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: like we all know what the issues are, but you 513 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: know today what's happening. 514 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: So I've got record police budget, record numbers back to 515 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 4: communities today. 516 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: With people that are on the streets that are behaving 517 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: in a really terrible way. 518 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 4: I'm trying to talk through this. So we've got the 519 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: record numbers. We have got our sobering up shelter which 520 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 4: is twenty four hours seven. 521 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: It's at the same. 522 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, but can I just remind you that wasn't in 523 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 4: place until we until post twenty sixteen. That's something else 524 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: put in place. We've increased Larichia night and day patrols. 525 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: We have got the Return to Country program that we 526 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 4: work through. We have got police doing operational and targeted 527 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: patrols and areas that we know are hot spots. 528 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 2: So with that return to country right now, are people 529 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: able to get back to country now that those biosecurity 530 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: zones have been lifted. 531 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: So if anybody's having problems getting home or wants to 532 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 4: get home and doesn't have the finances to do it, 533 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 4: we want them to talk to Larichia Nation. We want 534 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 4: them to be able to access the Return to Country 535 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: program to get home to their community. 536 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: So we have that home. 537 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: I guess over the last week with Larichia Nation, with 538 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: that program that's operating, it's. 539 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: A constant push. 540 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 4: They're constantly talking to people, making sure they know their options, 541 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: encouraging people who have gotten stuck to go out there 542 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: and go back where they can. So so it's an 543 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: ongoing program and I think Larakia Nation do a great 544 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 4: job talking to people out there. 545 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 5: Plice talk to people about the Return to Country program 546 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 5: as well. 547 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: I know that, Travis Wurston said on the show yesterday 548 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: that's one of his superintendents was meeting with other people 549 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: yesterday morning as we're talking it just before, what was 550 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: the outcome of that meeting and what are we going 551 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: to see as a result of that. 552 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 4: So that's what I've just been talking through the Public 553 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 4: Places Committee, all that operational information that they share that 554 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: they meet to make sure that their resources are being 555 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 4: targeted in the right place. So if they know they've 556 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: got a hot spot, they know they've got a big 557 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 4: camp out somewhere, if they know they are particular houses 558 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 4: where people are coming into and it's generating a lot 559 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: of activity, they work through all the different data what 560 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 4: they're all seeing and going, Okay, how do we best 561 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 4: push our resources out there to get the outcome which 562 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 4: we want, which is keeping people safe, making sure that 563 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 4: people need to get home, that we've got a way 564 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 4: to get them home, getting them into short term accommodation, 565 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 4: and trying to keep them out of trouble when they're here. 566 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: If people are. 567 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: Here and they are breaking the law, or they are 568 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: behaving in a way that is deemed unacceptable by our police, 569 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: by the community, why are they allowed to stay? 570 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: Well, because they break the law, they with and so 571 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 4: then go home. So people, I know it's frustrating, Yeah, 572 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 4: but you know, at the end of the day, people 573 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 4: have a choice about where they are and where they 574 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: moved to you if they've got bail conditions put onto them. 575 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: So for example, if they've got bail conditions that say 576 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 4: that they can't be in a certain place, then they 577 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 4: need to abide by them. So there's some of the 578 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: conditions that people can work with. 579 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: So, man, this is more than frustrating. 580 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 7: This is people are actually generally scared out that people 581 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 7: are generally getting hurt, like we've seen on a video 582 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 7: We're Innocent by Sander was punched in the face. You know, 583 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 7: he was trying to protect the owner of that shop. 584 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 7: So this is not this is a lot more than frustrating. 585 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 7: Michael Gunner previously said that you know that Alice Springs 586 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 7: crime wasn't really an issue. There's been an issue, right, 587 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 7: he had not come out and said anything to that. 588 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 7: Where's he been he send you out today his head 589 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 7: in the stand about crime because he's had the power 590 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 7: which six years and near all the stats are getting 591 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 7: worse and worse and worse, and it's generally dangerous out 592 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 7: there on the street. 593 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: Look, I think the really the pertinent thing to say 594 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: this morning, because a lot of people are really worried 595 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: at the moment they're feeling, not only like I think 596 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: it's past the point of frustrated, I think it is 597 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: at the point of feeling incredibly worried and feeling as 598 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: though nothing's ever going to change. So what would you 599 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: say to those people listening this morning that are feeling 600 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: like they are just at their wits end and that 601 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: it's not going to change. 602 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 4: That the territory is a wonderful, wonderful place and it's 603 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 4: a great place to raise your family. That or they 604 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 4: wouldn't be living here, absolutely, And what I'm saying is 605 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 4: that this is a wonderful place. We do have issues, though, 606 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: and we do target those issues by making sure we've 607 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: got the police resources, the non government resources, but we're 608 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: also looking at the areas that make fundamental change, so 609 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 4: better housing, making sure that we're working to. 610 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 5: Have better education out there. 611 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 4: We're targeting those zero to five cohorts to make sure 612 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 4: we're putting more support around parents to be able to 613 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 4: get those kids on the right path from the staff. 614 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: So we're doing the things that have the. 615 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 4: Long term high impact, but we're also doing the short 616 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: term things with the targeted resourcing to go tackle those 617 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 4: issues of antisocial behavior and crime. 618 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: Frustrated for the police force that they're having to deal 619 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: with what it is and what was described yesterday by 620 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: Travis Wurst as her boring behavior. 621 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 4: Police unfortunately have to see the worst past, the worst 622 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 4: parts of society's it's part and parcel of their job. 623 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: When they're frustrated, they tell me, I get frustrated for them. 624 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: So that's why I do everything I can as Police 625 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: Minister to make sure they've got the right resources, the 626 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: right legislation and the right support. Because it is not 627 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: always a police response. It does not always it should 628 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 4: not always fall to police. There are many other parts 629 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: of this. When it comes to doing crime, anti social 630 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 4: behavior issues that come from it. 631 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 6: We do and I say, the one thing I do 632 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 6: support the seal on is getting amendments to the bail 633 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 6: legislation because I can guarantee those young punks will get 634 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 6: charged and then they'll be let out on bail. 635 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 4: I will say this, Keysier, We've got plenty of kids 636 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: that are in detention and they're certain conditions. 637 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 7: Review only about youse our bail was against anyone. So 638 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 7: when you're talking eighteen is to youth or over, we 639 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 7: were talking. Our bail legislation was dealing with those eighteen, 640 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 7: nineteen twenty year olds who are going out who your 641 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 7: bail men don't catch these people out here now who've 642 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 7: got through their use and now they're eighteen one day 643 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 7: or nineteen, and they don't get caught in this managing 644 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 7: bail stuff, so ultimately they get bailing are out doing 645 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 7: it again. It's that revolving door effect that the cop 646 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 7: tried to fix on the labor government shut down. 647 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 4: And again, we've got plenty of people that are in detention, 648 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 4: and when they are in detention, there is work with 649 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 4: them that happens to try to help around rehabilitation. We're 650 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: building a new youth detention center to make sure we 651 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: can put more contemporary rehabilitation. 652 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: Processes in place. 653 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 4: We will always try to work to help these people 654 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 4: get onto a better path, but make no mistake, if 655 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: they commit a crime, there are real serious consequences for it. 656 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 7: My understanding is if you're in remind you don't have 657 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 7: access to any of the rehabilitation services. So while you're 658 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 7: waiting around and waiting for your court casing and. 659 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: Your remind so you have a parent, contact me about it. 660 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: Don't parent contact me about this. 661 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 7: These people go inside for a short stay which is 662 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 7: meant to be the big stick in to terran and 663 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 7: they don't have any access to any rehabilitation at all, 664 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 7: and then they let out after being in time in jail. 665 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 7: I've got some new group of friends, so you know 666 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 7: that could be a problem. What about getting some rehabibility 667 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 7: and services to those people on remand? 668 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, we do try to get what support we can 669 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 4: in place for people in remand but as we know, 670 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 4: it is a shorter term period there where people are 671 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: in remand the best work you can do is the 672 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 4: longer you've got people in there in those cribit you. 673 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 7: Want to deal with those people are in there for 674 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 7: a month in and out and get the tastes of 675 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 7: this go on. I want to go back and give 676 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 7: them some service, who give them some help and that's 677 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 7: where the people that need that help and at the 678 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 7: moment they're not getting it. And I think Assistant Commission 679 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: Michael White said, domestic violence is there's ten years high. 680 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: I said that on the show earlier for the last. 681 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 7: Six years, and there's been no action and the crime 682 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 7: rates are going up and up and up. 683 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: Well, i'll dispute that there's not no action. There's a 684 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: hell of a lot of auction. It's the evidence and 685 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 4: we are working very hard to deal with those issues 686 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 4: because DV is absolutely appalling and there's a huge amount 687 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: of work happening in that space. 688 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You 689 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four point nine and 690 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: in the studio with me this morning, we've got Jared Maylee, 691 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: Keesyerpuric and Nicole Madison. Now we do know it's being 692 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: reported today by the Northern Territory News. At the Darwin 693 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: Turf Club, the chief executive, Brad Morgan has resigned amid 694 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: growing concern about the organization's ability to repay a twelve 695 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: million dollar grant which is being chased by the Northern 696 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: Territory Government. So the NT News understands that the Territory 697 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: Government's put into action the Chief Minister Michael Gunner's threat 698 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: to recoup that twelve million dollar grant that it gave 699 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: the Darwin Turf Club to build the grand stand. Now, 700 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory News has sent the government a series 701 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: of questions apparently around recouping that grant, including the legal 702 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: basis upon which it's which the claim's based. Manow, are 703 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: you able to actually get this money back? 704 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: Well, we are. 705 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 4: She'd be pursuing that twelve million dollars to get it 706 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 4: paid back. That Ikak report was very serious with its findings, 707 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: and we think the thing to do is to get 708 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 4: the turf Club to pay that money back to taxpayers. 709 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 5: What I did find interesting. 710 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: Though, was that the leader of the opposition has come 711 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 4: out to say that they shouldn't have to pay back 712 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: that twelve million dollars in taxpayer funding. 713 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't think they should have been given in the 714 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: first place. 715 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: That's the problem. You shouldn't have been given in the 716 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: first place. It shows it's a dodgy deal from the beginning. 717 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: I don't think you've got a leg to stand up 718 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: that after you guys hand it at all. 719 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 7: If you would have done your job at the beginning 720 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 7: and actually looked at it and assessed it as a normal, 721 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 7: normal application properly, it probably weren't even gone there in 722 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 7: the first place. 723 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: So you can try and throw anyone under the bus, 724 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: but this is. 725 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: Here. 726 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 7: He's the one that needs to go on the bus. 727 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 7: He needs to step on to responsibility. It's you and 728 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 7: the labor government have done this. They're throwing anyone on 729 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 7: the bus. But they won't accept the responsibility that they 730 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 7: took it in the cabinet. Ok they did the dodge 731 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 7: and the. 732 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: Money to stand with you don't pay back that money. 733 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 5: Don't pay back the money. That are you going to say? 734 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: We need to say, don't even look at why the 735 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: money was given. Why was. 736 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: Honestly I'm just going to step in for a second. 737 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: I cannot believe that the government's even going down that 738 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: path manner of saying, oh the CLP having a crack 739 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: at the CLP. 740 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: You guys gave money. 741 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: The money have to have this argument. 742 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 4: Okay, what but when that tender was awarded, government went 743 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 4: in to say and asked some very serious questions, do 744 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 4: you try that. 745 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: Money get awarded? 746 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: Do that the government would. 747 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 5: They were not honest in the information they gave back. 748 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 5: And that's why we're pursuing that twelve million dollars. 749 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: And noone knows what happened in cabinet. 750 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: No one. 751 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 6: She goes back further than that. The application of the 752 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 6: letters went into the government agency and from the government agency, 753 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 6: the Business Department whatever it's called, flicked it across to 754 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 6: the Chief Minister's department. 755 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Explicted the carrot. 756 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 6: Now I don't I don't personally believe that they should 757 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 6: pay the money back. They took the money, okay, the 758 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 6: processes were forwed Okay, there was an ik investigation and 759 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 6: a report. But let's be very clear about that report. 760 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 6: I think there are three, if not four cases before 761 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court to do with that report. The report 762 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 6: was flawed in my opinion, and we know why it 763 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 6: was flawed. So the government gave them the money. How 764 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 6: they gave them money if it was a dodgy deal, Okay, 765 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 6: it was a dodgy deal, But why in the hell 766 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 6: should they pay it back. They used the money, they 767 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 6: built a grand stand all for infrastructure improvements at that 768 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 6: racing fraternity club, whatever you want to call it. Because 769 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 6: the horse industries across the territory, across the Australia are 770 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 6: big generators of economic activity. Now pay it back. 771 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 3: I didn't know why. 772 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 6: Michael Gunner says, oh, I want to get the money back. Well, 773 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 6: you gave the money in the first place. You're Indian giver. 774 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 6: Now you want to take it back. 775 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: You know, I'm also supporting. 776 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: The Lord Club. 777 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 6: I just think it's a flawed process paid out of 778 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 6: his own money. 779 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's been a debarcle from the get going, and 780 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 2: I think that it is like to me, I just 781 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: find it astonishing that the government's now having a crack. 782 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: At the c LP over money that they've handed out. 783 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I don't think what the government should do 784 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 7: is come on, come clean about fill us what happened 785 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 7: at cabinet. 786 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 5: And we made it care that we are pursuing. 787 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 6: Why should the turf Club in penalized because the government 788 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 6: cocked it up? 789 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 3: So there we go. 790 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 5: The CLP don't think the money should be paid back, 791 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 5: but I. 792 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 2: Thought the money should be handed over in the first place, 793 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: and don't go back to the old. 794 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: Oh but they didn't provide this. 795 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: Info because none of you should know how you guys 796 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: provided or what happened in cabinets. 797 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 7: And I think the opportunity the open parented territories and 798 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 7: put this matter to bed for all. 799 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: And so we're gold and do it Charlotte happening, We're 800 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: going to come out of. 801 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 4: Everybody to say a huge and we're still pursuing that 802 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 4: twelve million is missing. 803 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: Let's make it. 804 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 2: There's a huge part that's missing. 805 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 6: I think three if not four court cases underweight at 806 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 6: the moment about that report. 807 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: Well, anyways, clearly that money needs to be paid back. Absolutely. 808 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 4: I think that report was very clear that there were 809 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: some processes there that simply were not right. The IKAC 810 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 4: had some very serious findings and we will be pursuing. 811 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: That can you legally get that money back? 812 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 4: We are pursuing that twelve million dollars kdie. We're looking 813 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 4: at ways to do it. There's been conversations had with 814 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 4: Thoroughbed Racing and the Turf Club and we will be 815 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 4: pursuing that. 816 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: What like, how. 817 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: Can you you know, what are you looking at in 818 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: terms of you said that you're looking at different ways 819 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: to pursue it. 820 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: What do you need to kind of tick off for whatever? 821 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: Here is it a situation where it's pretty difficult to 822 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 2: be able to get twelve million back after you've already 823 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: handed it over and gone through that process. And this 824 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: has been worked through right now, it is important to 825 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: recognize that the dull On Turf Club and the Cup 826 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 2: Carnival are really important parts of our economy and it 827 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: is a really fantastic industry there, so we need to 828 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: make sure that they can do this in a way 829 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: that keeps everything going forward with horse racing. 830 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: The grand standout no lead to friends pass. That's good idea, 831 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: which pass? 832 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: I tell you, I'm laughing because this whole situation is 833 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: just very astonishing to me. 834 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 7: It's just amazing how Michael Gunner hasn't come out and 835 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 7: accepted responsibility, always passed, always someone else. 836 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 3: He needs to come up. He electric wow, wow, wow. 837 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 5: You guys are saying, don't take the money back. 838 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: He's a dodgy deal. 839 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 5: You're saying, don't take the money back, and your leader. 840 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: It's so bizarre, like matter, I can't believe that, Like 841 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: you can't see how bizarre it is to even be 842 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 2: having that argument right now when you guys gave it 843 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 2: over in the first place and processed apparently, but even 844 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 2: if you peel away all of that right from the 845 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 2: word go, you gave it away on a week where 846 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: we had code yellow at the hospital, where you know, 847 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 2: people were screaming out about the issues within the health 848 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 2: system and going, why are we giving twelve million dollars 849 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: for a grand stand? 850 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: You know, like it was a bad political decision. 851 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 2: Even if you take away all the other stuff, it 852 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: wasn't a good political decision at the time. 853 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 5: I think the report has been very thorough. 854 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 4: There's going to be a very strong economic return from 855 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 4: that grand stand and again we're going to pursue this 856 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 4: kind to be. 857 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: A very strong economic return. Why do you want your 858 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 2: twelve million back? 859 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 4: Because of the report it found that there were some 860 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 4: very serious findings there against some of those members of 861 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 4: the teach clubs. 862 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 3: We're asking for money back? 863 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 7: Does that really show that you were wrong to give 864 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 7: him and start with your process? 865 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 3: That's be wrong? Is that why you're asking for it? 866 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 5: The conduct of some of those members of that board 867 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 5: was wrong. 868 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: All right, let's take a short break because I still 869 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 2: want to talk about the CLPS woes that's coming your 870 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 2: way in just a couple of moments on Mix one 871 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 2: oh four nine and Well, we really can't finish the 872 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: week that was this week without talking about the situation 873 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 2: that the CLP has been in over the last few days. 874 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: So over the weekend, Jared had your Central Council meeting 875 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: and the President, Jamie de Brenny, stood down from the 876 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 2: role and then stepping into the place of Jamie's Fiona Darcy, 877 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: who we spoke to earlier in the week. And then 878 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: there's a lot of discussion now about whether the CLP 879 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 2: is going to be able to stay registered. Obviously, you 880 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 2: either need fifteen hundred members as I understand it, or 881 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: a senator or a member, and potentially you might need 882 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: to borrow a senator from the NATS from Interstates. 883 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: What is going on? 884 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 7: That's just a completely mute point. We are a political party. 885 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 7: We're in force here. We've got a great team who's 886 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 7: running for the federal We've got Damien Ryan in the South, 887 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 7: Who've got Tina in the up the front, and we've 888 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 7: got your Center as a senator. They are going to 889 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 7: run under a CLP maanator banner, full stop all Like 890 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 7: the way you. 891 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: Said that sounds like you've got a football team. 892 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 3: There, you candidate. 893 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, I. 894 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 2: Mean, I think the problem here is I think the 895 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: discussion that a lot of people have been kind of 896 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: wondering is does the CLP have fifteen hundred members? And 897 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: I guess the same question could be asked of the ALP. 898 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 2: But you know, I know that it's it's probably not 899 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: going to have an impact in any way shape or form. 900 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: But is it also party that's divided? I think is 901 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 2: probably the question that a lot of people are wondering. 902 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 7: No, our party is strong. We just had our central counsel. 903 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 7: We all came together from right across the cherry till 904 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 7: we had a great there as there the whole weekend. 905 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 7: I think our party is stronger than ever. Fion is 906 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 7: going to lead us up into the election and we 907 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 7: are going to have a great outcome. 908 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 4: Well, it certainly doesn't look like that from the outside, 909 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 4: and what we've seen is the CLP seemed to be disintegrating. 910 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 4: When things get tough at a party level, your leader 911 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: Leah goes m I A. She's not presenting a vision 912 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 4: to pull that party together. You are divided. 913 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 5: You are directionless and Jess, when you are going to step. 914 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: Up that talk about. 915 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,959 Speaker 7: You know, Leah is our leader. She's got the wings 916 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 7: one hundred percent of support. Our wing is solid. We 917 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 7: are great team. We are really holding the government to account. 918 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 7: You can see that boat with the government are squirming 919 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 7: in our questions and never answered. 920 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: From off a by election. 921 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 6: I don't mind helping people in other constituencies, like sometimes 922 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 6: people from Howard Springs, they know me, so they come 923 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 6: and see me. But I am getting an increase of 924 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 6: people coming from Darn River Dam and Berry Springs to 925 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 6: my electoral office, which tells me your member is not servicing. 926 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 5: The people in his elect doing an amazing job. 927 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: He's not just because. 928 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 3: Coming to me saying, well, we can't get hold out there, Dured. 929 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 4: Well, he's doing a great job. He is out and 930 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,959 Speaker 4: about he is. This is absolutely yes, it is. He's 931 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 4: doing a fantastic job. But again, that was a big 932 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 4: loss to you guys. You lost from opposition a by election. 933 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 4: That is an unprecedented result. It speaks volumes of the 934 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 4: issues that you guys have got in there, and you 935 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 4: need to really seriously reflect upon the daily by election. 936 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 6: I think I'd like to just put one comment in 937 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 6: about the forthcoming federal election. I hope whoever I'm in 938 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 6: Lingarias is Jared now, mister Snowden, who's been our local 939 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 6: member for the last fifty. 940 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 3: Million years years. I think. 941 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 6: Didly squat for the rule. He's for the greater rule area. 942 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 6: We only ever saw him come election time. He'd pop 943 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 6: up like a little bad penny. If these new candidates 944 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 6: are going to do anything, at least address some of 945 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 6: the issues in the greater rural Area that require federal 946 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 6: assistance or support or support to the NT government because 947 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 6: generally you get the federal candidates talk about urban areas 948 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 6: and then they jump straight to remote communities and elsewhere. 949 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 6: There's never that big chunk of twenty five to thirty 950 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 6: thousand people in the greater rule area that these federal 951 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 6: candidates rarely address. 952 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 4: I would argue that the rural area, like Lingiari, is 953 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 4: a fascinating seat. Rural area, remote communities and urban centers 954 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 4: like you couldn't get a more diverse electorate. 955 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 7: I do. 956 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 4: There's a big chunk in the top end the massive 957 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 4: voting numbers that Lingari of the rural area demonstrate. You 958 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 4: know that needs ignortant to take care of those people, 959 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 4: and I have no doubt that Marian Scrimshaw will do that. 960 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: Well. 961 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 2: We've run out of time, as we always do on 962 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 2: a Friday morning. It's certainly been a very busy one. 963 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 2: Jered Mayley, the Deputy Opposition Leader, thank you so much 964 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 2: for your time this morning. 965 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 3: Thank you. 966 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: Kesiopuric, the Independent Member Forging, thank you. And Nicole Madison, 967 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 2: the Deputy Chief Minister and Police Minister, thank you for 968 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 2: your time. 969 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 5: Thanks