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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, he turned around, all gowned up, with his hands

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Speaker 2: the bed, and he says, present the bomb.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, I feel like today's podcast needs to start

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Speaker 3: a little differently. There's a word that I want to

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Speaker 3: use to start today's podcast. The word is And I

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Speaker 3: don't know if Hamish and Andy listen to our podcast. Well,

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Speaker 3: I know Andy doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Hamish maybe listens to the podcast. Hamish, if you're listening,

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. We're not stealing your word. Have you

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Speaker 3: listened to Hamish andy podcast?

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Speaker 2: Not their podcast, He's listened to the radio.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay. So on their podcast, whenever they have a

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Speaker 3: listener doing a segment with them, they always greet the

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Speaker 3: listener with the same word that I think we need

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Speaker 2: Aloha.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe I know why you said that, because

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Speaker 3: we we've just come back from a family holiday and

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Speaker 3: we ended up in Hawaii, but no, a lower way

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Speaker 3: would hamish Andy say a loha.

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Speaker 2: I can't see them saying they say a hoi hoi

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Speaker 2: and we've just had If you're going to say a hooi,

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Speaker 3: You even had the go across your body, just said

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Speaker 3: like a hoy Like, well, you're supposed to say. Well,

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Speaker 3: we've just had a couple of weeks on the ocean,

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Speaker 2: We've been adventuring.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the right word. We've been

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Speaker 3: on a cruise ship. It's not really adventuring, is it.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty safe.

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Speaker 3: We've been on a cruise ship, and I feel like

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Speaker 3: we need to a hoi everybody.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were on that boat for a long

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Speaker 2: time and I don't think I ever heard that word.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's weird.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say a hoi once, especially didn't say it

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Speaker 3: like a pirate ai. Well, this is our old I've

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Speaker 3: said it now, this is our older Better Tomorrow episode

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Speaker 3: of the Happy Families podcast. I'm justin. I'm here with Kylie,

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Speaker 3: my wife and mum to our six children, and we've

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Speaker 3: just come back from a holiday. We spoke about the

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Speaker 3: fact that we were going away on this family holiday.

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Speaker 3: Before we left, we talked about how I was worried

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Speaker 3: about it. Didn't really want to go, but we needed

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Speaker 3: a holiday better and so today's ould do better. Tomorrow

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Speaker 3: was really about holidaying well as a family and should

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Speaker 3: is you're not going to give a verdict. You want

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Speaker 3: to talk about some stuff before we say whether we

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Speaker 3: should or shouldn't take our kids on a cruise. Before

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Speaker 3: we left, I would have said absolutely not, no way,

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Speaker 3: and I don't want to go either. That's the reality.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to go on a cruise. I was

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Speaker 3: worried about all the cons to cruising.

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Speaker 2: I thought I was There were a few cons.

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Speaker 3: I thought I was going to get seasick. You told

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Speaker 3: me that the room was tiny. You also said that

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Speaker 3: room to shower. You mentioned that we were going to

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Speaker 3: concerned about children's supervision, our child being stuck in kids club,

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Speaker 3: whole lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: You had a big list, didn't you.

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Speaker 3: You convince me that this was something that I didn't

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Speaker 2: So, now that you've actually done it, how relevant was

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Speaker 3: Pretty relevant? Pretty relevant? I'm going to say now I

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Speaker 3: should also mention. We're not going to mention our cruise liner.

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Speaker 3: This is not a sponsored post in any way, shape

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Speaker 3: or form. But I was worried about getting seasick.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just put it in context. Because you didn't

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Speaker 3: probably don't. We've been on the boat for three days.

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Speaker 3: I've been fine, and so I decided I must have

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Speaker 3: about the seasick tablets today. Rookie era number one. That

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Speaker 3: night we had dinner as usual. I ate my two

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Speaker 3: We didn't have burritos. But I'm just it's just saying, like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you've got you feel really good about the

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Speaker 3: fact that I got sick. Anyway, it wasn't too much food.

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Speaker 3: It was sea sickness. I asked for you. I told

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Speaker 2: And I have to admit I didn't really believe you.

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Speaker 3: When you came back in, I had completely emptied my stomach.

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Speaker 3: I had been sick for I don't know. I felt

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Speaker 3: I felt like you've been gone for half an hour.

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Speaker 3: I was so sick everywhere, like just sick, six six sick,

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Speaker 3: you called the medical center, and thus began my night

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Speaker 2: Well, the doctor, he looked at you, and he didn't

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Speaker 3: Eating you missed and it's important. When you called the

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Speaker 2: And assumed as well. What I didn't know was that

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Speaker 3: So you made me sit in a wheelchair and get

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Speaker 2: I didn't make you. I just acknowledged that if you

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Speaker 3: And you were just going to say no, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: You needed me to hold your hand because you were

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Speaker 3: I was going to say exactly that I needed somebody

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Speaker 2: No, when the doctor just said he was going to

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Speaker 3: So I was violently ill in the medical center, at

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Speaker 2: I got anyway, It worked good, didn't it?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what it was like? Medical centers on

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Speaker 3: a on a ship cost a lot of money. Apparently

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Speaker 3: I would have paid five times, but I paid, and

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Speaker 3: This is a big con that I didn't think about,

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Speaker 3: with the best of intentions. I wasn't going to overeat,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to have dessert. I wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: Well, I went to a talk for beginners on day

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Speaker 2: one to just how you can maximize your time on

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Speaker 2: the cruise and the activities manager. Yeah, he acknowledged that

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Speaker 3: So that's a kilo every four days. That's about right.

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Speaker 2: I think that's.

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Speaker 3: About what I did.

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Speaker 2: I think that's about right too.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say I'm really grateful that I worked

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Speaker 2: so hard to lose all of that weight before we

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Speaker 2: But obviously the sea sickness was pretty bad, and it

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Speaker 2: now you've got through it, you recognize that there are

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Speaker 2: about that big long list you gave all the cons

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Speaker 2: Were they really that big a deal?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean the room was great, and the

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Speaker 3: I didn't like being in that much close proximity within

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were some pretty but you know what, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Kids Club just worked a treat for Emily.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to not take you.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, yeah, okay, Well, under the right circumstances and

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Speaker 2: If he says no to you, guys, you know you're

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Speaker 3: You've picked the wrong cruise. Hopefully that you're putting me

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Speaker 3: in there like that. Thanks so much for listening to

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