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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: We all live in an online filtered world, A little

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Speaker 2: touch up here, a hashtag there. We know that what

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Speaker 2: we see at a fundamental level isn't real, but we

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Speaker 2: also know it can be hard not to compare. That's

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Speaker 2: why Instagram has teamed up with the Butterfly Foundation to

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Speaker 2: launch body Kind online. Here to tell us more is

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Speaker 2: one of its fabulous influence. As someone I've worked with

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Speaker 2: on the living Room who I love very much, Denny Tdorovich.

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Speaker 1: Hello, hello, darling. How are you?

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Speaker 3: We are great?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: For those who don't know you, Denny, tell us a

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Speaker 2: bit about you.

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Speaker 1: Sure, so, my name is Denny. I use they then pronouns.

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Speaker 1: I am a full time content creator. I host a

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Speaker 1: podcast and a sort of form of fashion editor in

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Speaker 1: a different way.

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Speaker 2: And you've had to work through a lot of issues

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Speaker 2: yourself about your body and how you feel about your

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Speaker 2: body and the way you portrayed online. So tell us

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Speaker 2: why then you were drawn to this campaign?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, I guess to give some context to your listeners,

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Speaker 1: I worked in fashion for about over a decade, and

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Speaker 1: more specifically in fashion magazines for about seven years, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I become very used to a world where

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Speaker 1: photoshop is used liberally, people's images and their bodies are

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Speaker 1: changed quite drastically, and that sort of really can impact

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Speaker 1: your self esteem and your self worth and your relationship

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Speaker 1: with your body. And then amongst that, Instagram sort of

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Speaker 1: joined the world probably like four years into my mag career,

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Speaker 1: and that changed things like infinitely because now suddenly it

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Speaker 1: wasn't just magazines that had the power to photoshop. It

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Speaker 1: was also us in our own hands. And when you

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Speaker 1: start to see these images on a daily basis, they

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Speaker 1: can really skew your your self worth in the way

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Speaker 1: that you feel about yourself. So when the Butterfly Foundation

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Speaker 1: reached out to me to be a part of this campaign,

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Speaker 1: I sort of jumped at the chance because body, our

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Speaker 1: relationships with our bodies is something that I seek about

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to say, and this is what a

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Speaker 2: parent would say to a teenager, just don't look at

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Speaker 2: the comments. But it's us that get We all get

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Speaker 2: impacted by it, and it's easier said than done. So

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Speaker 2: what practically is this doing? I mean, what's the solution?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think for me, it was really

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Speaker 1: about setting boundaries when I started using Instagram as a

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Speaker 1: way to, I guess, educate and communicate people around the

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Speaker 1: trans experience. Specifically, I was, I guess privy to hate

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Speaker 1: and controlling that I'd never seen before. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's quite confronting when someone is jumping on Instagram to

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Speaker 1: tell you to take your own life, or to lose weight,

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Speaker 1: or that your body hair definds your agenda like this,

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Speaker 1: It's hard to not take these things personally. So for me,

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Speaker 1: it was really about setting boundaries limiting my interaction with

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Speaker 1: those types of comments. I mean, Instagram also now has

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Speaker 1: these great features where you can put keywords in the

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Speaker 1: back end of your account so that those sorts of

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Speaker 1: comments don't pop up. So it's just really about setting

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Speaker 1: boundaries for me, Amanda. It's like in my life, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have anyone in my life that said those things

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Speaker 1: to me face to face, So then why should I,

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Speaker 1: you know, be confronted by that on a daily basis

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Speaker 1: on Instagram? You know?

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Speaker 3: But do you feel that we're rounding a corner with it.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing more and more anecdotally, I'm meeting more and

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Speaker 3: more trans people, like people that I actually know and

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Speaker 3: surely that you know, I'm from an era where gay

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Speaker 3: bashing was acceptable in the eighties and when you look

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Speaker 3: back at that, that was horrific, and now people are

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Speaker 3: more and more accepting of it. So surely we're rounding

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Speaker 3: a corner.

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Speaker 1: I think so. And I think that's what makes it

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Speaker 1: even more hurtful, is because you know, trans people have

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Speaker 1: existed since the beginning of human civilization, but only now

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Speaker 1: are they, say, are they starting to be sort of

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Speaker 1: let's say, accepted for want of a better term, and celebrated.

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Speaker 1: And we see this globally. It just seems so bizarre

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Speaker 1: to me that we would make such a distinction. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it kind of feels very reminiscent to the Plema site

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Speaker 1: that we had many years ago, when it just, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just seems so unnecessary and really damaging. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we will see those two asach its just sticks rise

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Speaker 1: because that's just what happened. And I just don't understand

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Speaker 1: why that would want to be the legacy of our country.

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Speaker 1: Like it just yeah, boggles my mind.

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Speaker 3: But don't let it keep you up, Denny, because we're

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Speaker 3: talking about it, We're on the case. It's happening. It's happening,

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Speaker 3: and you're doing a great job with it. Instagram and

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Speaker 3: Butterfly have launched hashtag body kind online. Head to butterfly

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Speaker 3: dot org dot are you to find out more. Denny,

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Speaker 3: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Love your work, Danny, You talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's