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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional overshaer.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe

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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest

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Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in

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Speaker 2: a bid to.

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Speaker 1: Inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello.

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Speaker 2: Today on the podcast, we have part two of Anthony Lapalia.

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Speaker 2: If you miss part one, it's just two episodes. Back

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Speaker 2: came out last Monday. That was the full length interview

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Speaker 2: Fearlessly Feeling Stylies. This is actually our bonus hot seat episode,

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Speaker 2: but he answered the questions with such passion and in

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Speaker 2: loads of detail. We just kept chit chatting that it

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Speaker 2: became its own entity of an interview, so we decided

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Speaker 2: to release it as an actual episode Monday Episodes. This

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Speaker 2: is part two of last week's chat. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: was meant to be a hot seat, but you'll see

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Speaker 2: it so much more than that. This I think is

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Speaker 2: just like, Oh, I love this, this interview I listened

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Speaker 2: to if I'm ever having a down date, especially in

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Speaker 2: the acting world, I find it really inspiring. He's got

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Speaker 2: no filter. It cuts through. So for any creative this

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Speaker 2: is the episode for you. If you're feeling flat or disheartened,

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Speaker 2: this episode will bring you back hope, resilience and that

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Speaker 2: dumption that Anthony Lapalia has in space ps. If you're

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Speaker 2: in Australia or even Melbs, he is in Death of Salesmen.

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Speaker 1: It opened last night or the night before.

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Speaker 2: By the time this comes out, probably open two nights ago.

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Speaker 2: Get yourself a ticket, go and see it. It's at

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Speaker 2: Her Majesty's Theater. I think it's a six week run.

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Speaker 2: I'll be seeing it in a few weeks. Cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: And do some favor. He is playing Willie Lohman and

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Speaker 2: has that incredible accent, that New York accent. So I

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Speaker 2: hope you love it, and I hope you love this

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Speaker 2: chat and Anthony, thank you for everything, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Okay your name? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a fear?

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Speaker 2: I've heard that it's if people come into your space.

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Speaker 3: In fag That's not a fear, that's anger. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's anger. Do I have a fear? Not really like fears.

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Speaker 4: I accept it, not that fearless makes it sound. Look,

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Speaker 4: I really live in today. I don't worry about what

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Speaker 4: happened yesterday. And I'm not really worried about what's going

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Speaker 4: to happen because I have no control of what's going

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Speaker 4: to happen. So I live in now, and when you

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Speaker 4: live in now, you your with situations. Have I been fearful? Yes,

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Speaker 4: in certain situations, sometimes I fear. Okay, I never felt

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Speaker 4: any fear until.

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Speaker 3: I had a child. Oh yeah, and now.

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Speaker 4: I have a nineteen year nineteen year old daughter, I

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Speaker 4: have fear for her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard I heard you sound an interview when

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Speaker 2: you're doing without a trace because you start realizing all

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Speaker 2: the missing persons.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that are real.

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Speaker 3: No, No, the stats are actually very comforting.

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Speaker 1: Real because it's usually not a stranger.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it's not a stranger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And well the stats of this, I'll ask you, so,

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Speaker 4: how many total strangers kidnapped kids from their families in

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Speaker 2: I've researched at six in all of America.

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Speaker 4: It's always a family member, uncle and father, mother, bad, divorced,

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Speaker 4: stuff like that. But so the chances of your child

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Speaker 3: They're small.

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Speaker 4: But my fear is more about like her personal now

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Speaker 3: Out on her own. Yeah, you know I have that

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Speaker 3: dad fear. Yeah, Dad's a good Yeah, I have dad fear.

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Speaker 2: I think easy favorite playwright, of course, of.

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Speaker 1: Course you have a favorite movie.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is best years of their lives.

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Speaker 1: I don't know it.

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Speaker 4: It's a nineteen forty eight, forty seven on the It's

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Speaker 4: they can't do it. Okay, it's a brilliant movie. Frederick

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Speaker 4: marsh Myrna Lloyd a real guy who had had both

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Speaker 3: Dark Day Afternoon, Is that true?

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Speaker 1: How you let your alpaco?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I had it on tap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that explained speaking of your accent. You in Happy Fate, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you play like this baddie like almost got like

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Speaker 1: Your accent is amazing.

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Speaker 2: You're like this gravelly New Yorky gangster, is how you sound.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's hard to pick one. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: The conversation, Okay, I haven't seen that either.

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Speaker 3: It's a seventies movie with Gene Ackman, Okay.

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Speaker 4: And there's this thing in the movie that I always

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Speaker 4: He wears this fucking cheap plan. He's there's something really

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Speaker 5: And he wears this this see through plastic raincoat and

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Speaker 5: it just encapsulates this whole character. And I wanted to

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Speaker 5: ask him, was that your choice? I think it would

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Speaker 5: have been too but it I love stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Are you one of those actors that the shoes your

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Speaker 3: Like the wardrobe? I mean yeah, I like the wardrobe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hopefully that's interesting because if you think of

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Speaker 2: your wardrobe in like Bad Blood versus Nitrim Pole the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Or if you want to see some really Joe Grisham thing. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm dressed like like honestly, I'm just like like like

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Speaker 3: the worst kind of pimp. I have like these Fasaci shirts,

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Speaker 1: You know, have you stolen anything after?

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Speaker 3: None of it.

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Speaker 4: That was when I was you know, young and then.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it depends like every kind of generation.

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Speaker 4: There are movies that you love. Yeah, I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: think there's another one that I really loved. It's kind

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Speaker 4: of obscure, but it's called ninth Configuration of the Seventh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's one that you told me to watch, which

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Speaker 2: It's a John Patrick Shanley moon struck.

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Speaker 3: Moonstruck.

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Speaker 4: You told me you were going back and watching movies

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Speaker 3: I also liked Catch twenty two. I love the book

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Speaker 1: This is my next question.

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Speaker 3: Favorite.

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Speaker 4: Alan Arkin is one of my favorite actors of all time. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Alan Arkan.

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Speaker 4: If you look at his body of work, you go

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Speaker 4: back to the late nineteen sixties where he plays a

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Speaker 4: Puerto Rican going named Poppy Oh, movies called Poppy Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you watch the progression of Alan's work to now

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Speaker 4: you know Glen Eric Ross. I mean this guy and

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Speaker 4: I've got to work with him, and I just think

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Speaker 1: Because you worked with so many good ones like yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've seen you to a scene opposite Jude Law.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bob de Niro, Yeah, who I really.

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Speaker 1: Like another brilliant Boice, good guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, do you have a favorite book or does

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Speaker 2: it change depending on what you're.

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Speaker 3: My idea of fun this was called it's called my

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Speaker 1: Fun, giving me a list of stuff?

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Speaker 3: And who was it?

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Speaker 4: Written by will self? My idea of fun, which is

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Speaker 4: really good. And I also like Moonlight Margaret.

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Speaker 1: Reader, great name.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, it's a Russian book.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I read it. I'll read it. What's something that's

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Speaker 1: moved you recently?

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm one of these guys. Look, I never cry.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a cry.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes late at night I'll be watching something and

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Speaker 3: it'll be the most bizarre thing.

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Speaker 1: And you'll get tiery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like ah, and you know I'll get try.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what you got me to watch recently?

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Speaker 2: And I get tierry when I watch it? The Spectrum

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Speaker 2: of Love, The Love on a Spectrum action, the Australian

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Speaker 2: one that made me cry.

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Speaker 1: That I watched it. It was just for me when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good choice.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything on your bucket list? Being like I

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Speaker 2: Like for me it was for ages swimming with Sharks

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Speaker 2: of like you're like, hey, is this something you want

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Speaker 2: a location or anywhere you want to.

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Speaker 3: Be going to any location except Ontario, Canada?

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Speaker 1: Have you done Ontario?

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Speaker 1: You get to see so much I.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to do after the all, after the.

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Speaker 1: Fall, I want to see why I want to say Autumn.

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Speaker 4: I really wanted to do after the Fall, and I

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Speaker 4: me and from the Bridge, Oh, Michael May Michael, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that was not There was some stuff that happened there

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Speaker 4: that anyway, you'll be able to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, Arthur, when I said to Arthur I wanted.

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Speaker 4: To do it, he said, don't do it. He said,

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Speaker 4: the second act doesn't work, and I'm too old to.

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Speaker 3: We write it.

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Speaker 4: And he said, I forget if you're going to cast

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Speaker 4: cast the African American girl because he doesn't want Marylands. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but I think when I read that play, that's like

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Speaker 4: a guy exercising all his regrets and guilt demons about

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Speaker 4: how he was to her in that relationship. That's all

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Speaker 4: about his relationship with her.

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Speaker 1: He talked.

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Speaker 2: I've watched a few interviews with him and you see

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Speaker 4: Doesn't want it, and he wrote it in that play,

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Speaker 4: And I said, read this from Ray Lawrence and I

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Speaker 4: I've got this backup. I didn't have a Plan B.

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Speaker 4: There was no more soccer. I didn't have an education.

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Speaker 4: But if it hadn't worked out, I want to figured

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Speaker 4: It will take away that little bit of extra I

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Look if you get the same feedback four times in

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Speaker 1: You got to know when you can walk in there.

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Speaker 4: And I could look like the casting director's boyfriend who

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Speaker 3: You want a shortcut? And you want to be famous

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Speaker 3: you ticked off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, be reality TikTok do Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what you're looking for. Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 2: I just can't afford to think like that because it

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Speaker 3: That's her journey. Yeah, that's her. That's her own parameter

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have failures, You're gonna I always tell people

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Speaker 3: And so I had a friend of mine who worked

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Speaker 4: That ship has sailed. Okay, So two months later I

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Speaker 1: Did you say that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: He costs the agency a bit of money because that,

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Speaker 4: I mean that ship has sailed. Yeah, maybe, but you

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Thank you so much for doing this

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Speaker 1: ten questions. You're phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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