WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - the not so purrrfect Met Gala 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.800 Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.560 were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:07.600 past and present. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.399 Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.360 recorded on de rug Wallamuta Land. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.560 Hey guys, and we'll welcome back to another episode of 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:26.239 Life Uncut. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.160 I'm Brittany, I'm Laura. You don't want to keep talking 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:28.880 about my crooks. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:31.920 No, you've already offended me in my fashion today, I 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:32.959 don't want to talk about it. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.200 I said, your shoes look like the inside of a big. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.800 No, you cook your quote. So what the fuck are they? 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.599 They are the ugliest things I see. They look like 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.080 a whitehead pimple. And I said, these are my five 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.880 dollar slides from cotton on body and I love them. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:50.120 You know what they say, you can't buy taste. I 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.800 love that This is coming from Laura, at the least 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.600 fashionable person in the world. Okay, before we get into 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.800 the episode, I'm unwell and I know I sound unwells. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.640 I want you guys to know that I know that 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.920 you know that I know that I'm unwell and sound 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:03.600 needs you. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.000 Actually, I'm fine, not. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.720 In my ears. And also Keisha told me to, and 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.200 she's the producer, so I trust him. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.039 Moll, Yeah, I don't trust anything. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.120 I don't like we pay her, so I need to 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.120 listen to what she says. I think I'm an unhealthy person. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.600 I don't really eat vegetables lately. I don't think I've 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.560 been looking after myself, and I think that this is 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.320 my body being like pull your finger out, because I 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:23.840 just feel like I hit the my mid thirties and 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.160 I got really lazy. And I've never been that person. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.880 I've always been like so into my health, so into 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.440 my fitness, and all of a sudden, you hit mid 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.039 thirties and you're like, I don't want to get up 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:33.440 early and. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.680 Go to the gym anymore. Who does, though? 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.160 But I think I need to do. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:37.720 You know what it is. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.080 The reason why it's stopped for you now is not 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:41.880 because you hit your mid thirties. It's because you're in 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.640 a happy relationship. It's like as soon as you bag it, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.600 as soon as you get one and you've got them 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.320 locked in, then you're like a hahf fuck yeah. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.600 But I meaning the gym for not me. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.120 I'm in a relationship with someone whose job it is 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:54.760 to be fit and healthy. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.440 Well, it's good that he's doing it for both of you, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.880 That's what I said. I was speaking of Si. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.840 I just went into the bathroom. This is way too 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.640 much information. Yeah, okay, so we work. We're recording this 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.520 at our a RN offices and this is like a 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.079 shared communal studio. He has three cubicles. There's three toilets, 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.799 and I went in and I was like, I need 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:14.639 to go to the bathroom. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:15.720 Walked into the middle one and. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:20.680 Somebody had absolutely decimated it, like it's not functioning. I 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.160 had to go and speak to the lady at reception, Daisy, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.400 who we love, and explain that it wasn't me, in 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.240 front of an entire group of people who had done that, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.600 and just to report it, you know, because that's the 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:31.720 right thing to do. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.240 People see you go into the bathrooms as well. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:35.280 So yeah, I walked in. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.240 I was the last person to come out, and everyone's 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:38.760 gonna think that that was me. And this is me 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.280 just putting it out there to the world. Daisy, if 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.440 you're listening to this, I didn't do that, But then 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.000 I felt like I was justifying it, and then I 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.359 over justified it, and now I'm in this organisation where 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.560 I spoke for so long about not doing it that 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:49.399 everyone thinks I did. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.600 That is something that someone that decimated a toilet would say, 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.400 that's the problem if you did that. I mean, if 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.200 I did that, I would do the same thing. I'd 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.720 be like, just so you know that was not me? 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.440 Like, what's the perfect amount of under explaining something so 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.760 that you don't take responsibility for it? Like you want 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.720 to acknowledge that it's happened, but you don't want people 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.520 to think it was you. How far do you go 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.359 with the explaining You're just like, hey, guys, there's something 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:10.560 wrong with cubicle number two? 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.359 Double down on the decimation? Were you like, I sorry, clogged, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:15.120 I'm going to commit to it. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.680 I went I wanted to deep explanation around how it 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.400 wasn't me, which made everyone stand there thinking it, well, like, how. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.200 Do you know you so much about it? How much 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.240 time to expect it? The decimated toilet? 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.000 I was like, look, it looks like this color on 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.360 the bottom and then this color on top, and then 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.040 there's lots of toilet paper and I don't know how 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.600 it's happened, but somebody left it like that. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.360 I swear it wasn't me. How funny is it that 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.000 it is awkward moments. You've really got to be thinking 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.240 of a toilet cubicle now. But when like there's a 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.960 couple of cubicles and two people walking at the same time, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.480 but no one wants to do anything because the other 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:42.680 person's there and it's dead silence. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:43.240 I will hold. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.560 I will sit on the toilet and not wea until 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.520 that person has finished, wiped their ass, flushed, and walked out. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:50.320 I will wait. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.440 No, I got I was in a standoff the other 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.520 day in the same cubicle. I was in a standoff 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.200 toilet stand off. There was someone in one no one 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:57.400 in the middle, and I was in the other one 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.680 and we're both holding it. And she'd been in before me. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:01.200 She was in there. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:02.880 You're like, come on, just finished, You've got to finish that. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.880 I held for a minute and I was like, she'll 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.520 be out any minute. You could just hear like little 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.520 scuffs and stuff, but no noise from either rest of 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.119 And then I was like, it is so awkward now 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.360 that I can't do it. And I ended up just 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.560 not doing it, holding, flushing, pretending I did, pretending I 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.880 did all because you didn't want to wait in front 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.240 of her. It was just too It was just too awkward. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.080 It was like a Mexican stand off. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:23.520 You do have to kind of try and time it 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.760 so that you're not leaving your cubicle at the same 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.039 time you wait for You're like, oh, is that a 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.200 toilet paper rustle? Okay, I know I have about twenty seconds, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:32.279 or are they flushing? 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:33.839 You can time somebody else. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.360 Yeah, you don't want to meet each other. You don't 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.239 meet each other at the hand washing station. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.039 But also i'd be like, I know what you were doing. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.400 How annoying is that when you flushed, because you're like, okay, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:43.320 this is my out. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:44.039 I've got my out. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.960 So you flushed and then they flush right after. You're like, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.640 you heard me flush. Wait the obligatory twenty seconds before 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.200 you flushed, you just sit there and waited out. You 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.960 do not flush one second after someone else's flushes. So 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.520 the hand was in station also known as the tap. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.599 I'm so glad that we all we all know this, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.039 that there is just like an uns spoken etiquette about 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.560 timing of going to a public toilet, but obviously some 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.400 people don't know it. People gotta be like, what the 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.080 hell does do we need to do and get out? 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:08.240 No, I don't think so. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.400 I think most people awkwardly time it to make sure 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:12.680 that they're not doing it at the same time as 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:13.039 the person in. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:13.680 The room next door. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.919 Okay, if you walk into a cubicle and you know, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.280 you walk in, shut the door, go it under your pants, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.760 and then realize that actually the toilet is not really usable, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.080 like my situation today, I was like, oh man, that's 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.760 no one's going to use that. Do you pull your 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.080 pants back up and walk out or do you just 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.720 kind of leave them unbuttoned and then walk into the 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:30.359 next cubicle. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.080 I would definitely use my spidy senses to assess the 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:34.960 situation and be like, Okay, I don't think I heard 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.000 anyone else coming in. I just leave them down out 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.600 of laziness, and I would just walk out into the 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.400 next cube. Because it also depends our cubicles. Here there's 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.400 three toilets. If you're at like a concert this or 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.080 at airport there's like thirty cubicles, you can't. I mean, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.279 you're really risking walking around with your pants under. 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.000 But imagine if you walked out of one that had 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:53.840 been decimated with your pants hunter. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.279 And when it looks like you. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:56.960 I mean, I still think you get it. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.200 You're like, I'm ready for number two. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.359 Talk about Laura's Like, how much do you try and 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.159 say before people realize it was you. You've been banging 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:04.760 on about it on the pod for twenty minutes. You 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.760 decimated the toilet, We've solved the problem, inspected Brittany and 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.480 so had ah. Fuck all right, well anyway, Look, there's 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:11.720 lots of things that we want to talk about in 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.520 today's episode. Obviously we want to answer your questions because 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.280 that's what you all came here for. But let's talk 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.719 about the thing that every single person on the whole 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.760 of the internet on Instagram. You can't even open up 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.040 your phone without seeing it. The bet Gala, oh the Mega. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.480 Now I have mixed feelings. I still because you hate it. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:29.560 I fucking hate it. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.719 I love it. Obviously it's a massive costume party. When 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.839 I say I love it, I don't actually love it. 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.799 But I do enjoy doing a twenty minute scroll of 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:42.400 what everyone wore this Mechala. Everyone is naked. It's almost 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.120 a competition at how little you can wear, how see 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.120 through can it be? How small can your underpants be? 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:49.799 Because underpants are pants now. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.400 Apparently except for if you're Rihanna, Can someone please explain 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.960 to me? While she dressed up like a giant tampas, it. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.120 Was a vibe, wasn't it like? Wasn't it a vibe? 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.640 Is in like? The theme of the night seemed to 0:06:58.680 --> 0:06:59.880 be quite mean? 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.680 Only her and then Olivia Wild She had this thing 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.560 like it was like an armor down the front of herself. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.400 But if you just focused on the gold thing on 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.120 her belly, it looked like she was wearing a. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.120 Bad But also, speaking of that, so awkward, imagine going 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.679 to the mechala and turning up in the same dress 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.800 as someone It's Fashion's night of night. Somebody else wore 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.320 that pad dress as well in black? What yep, yep, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.080 exactly exactly the dress. I thought that if you were 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:28.840 going to the met gala, you got something custom made. 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:30.440 I thought they all spent like four million dollars on 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:30.840 their cloth. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.880 This is Vogue's China editor, Margaret Zang, and they both 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.200 looked stunning like they did both look beautiful, But she 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.600 had the black version and Olivia had the white version, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.120 and it was identical. I would be beside myself if 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.040 I cared enough to go to that event. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.600 I just don't understand why. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.720 I don't understand why it's so popular, Like why does 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:50.720 it stop the world. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.520 It's not even happening in our country. Why do we 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:53.280 care so much? 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.040 We have a weird obsession with celebrity, and then we 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.720 have a weird obsession with fashion, So you put fashion 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.080 on celebrity and it's the night of nights. That's how 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.400 it's created. Like no one cares about the event, no one. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.320 It's the dumbest charity. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.400 Also, no one actually understands what the event is. We 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:10.880 only know about the red carpet. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:11.720 Like where do they do? 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.640 They go and sit in the hall? Do they have dinner? 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.560 They do they go for a dance? Like what do 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.520 they do in their outfits? 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:17.960 Yeah, don't you remember last year? 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.640 No, I can't remember. Yesterday there was. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.960 Heap, so the behind the scenes stuff was leaked and 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.920 apparently it was awful. Like they are spending thousands and 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.239 thousands to get a ticket to go to a table 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.400 because it's raising money for the Metgala costumes, that's what 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.640 it is. So they're raising like between seventeen and twenty 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.600 five million dollars or something, which is ludicrous for the costumes. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.480 But all this footage was leaked last year from people 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.680 that went about the food that were served and what 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.760 actually happens on the inside, and it looked grim, grim, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.959 It looked terrible. It looked like, you cannot believe that's 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.360 what people paying that much money literally to be seen 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.680 on the red carpet, which I get because if you're 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.240 a budding actor, actress, model, whoever you are, it is 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:02.840 the place to be seen. It is going to get 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.600 you in all the tabloids. So I understand why people 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.160 are wanting to go. I totally understand it. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.760 Yeah, they're getting into tabloids and they look stupid. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.000 Some No. I love looking at the fashions. Some of 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.080 them were absolutely incredible. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.040 Some of them were beautiful, beautiful, beautif who name one. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.880 Kylie Jenner's outfit is one of the best I've seen 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.480 her in. I think she looked stunning. Kylie. Yeah, wait, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.360 the one that was all the red one? I thought 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.640 I was thinking the black Topsino. Don't know who's who? 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.880 So why is there two that never go? Do they 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:33.640 just not get invited? 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.880 Does Courtney in whatever it name, Courtney and Chloe they 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:37.720 never get invites? 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.200 I don't think they do know. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.480 Oh Keisha saying they got invited. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.679 Keisha is actually up to date with someone's happening in 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.000 the kadashi in world. I mean got invited last year, 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.640 but this year they didn't make the cut guys because 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.959 the met color is very exclusive and there was only 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:51.600 room for three. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.040 Katashy was at that table. How devoed would you be? 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.240 Will you just know where you sit in the pecking 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.880 order like they already know, but then you really know 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.000 and the world knows you sick and you don't get 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.400 an invite to the met gal Yeah, speaking of the 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.640 pecking order, it's like recently where you got invited to 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.520 that huge charity event to host it. I didn't even 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.440 get invited to go. Everyone's like, oh, you couldn't make it. 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:11.920 I was like, no, I didn't get an invite. I did, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.000 I was in it and I couldn't even invite it. Wild. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.280 Look, it was a very very important cause, unlike the 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.160 met Gala, which was actually for no cause at all. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:21.920 The metal I mean, I know you mentioned it Britain, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.440 We spoke about it last year. The money literally goes 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.040 to a fashion costume institute, So think about raising seventeen 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.280 million dollars for a costume box. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.600 I understand it because it's the fashion I tonight, but 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.920 there's a lot that's wrong with it. And speaking of 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.360 a lot that's wrong with it, we did want to 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.040 talk about something that we you know, we were alerted 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.480 to this. I didn't actually know this. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:43.400 No one alerted to us. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:48.400 Were no, we were a love Jamila Jamil called me 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.640 up and she's like, brit, I don't know if she no. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.320 She's like, I don't know what you're talking about on 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.640 your Thursday episode, but this needs to be for discussed. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.480 With Jamila Jamil. Now she's I guess she's Hollywood's ultimate feminist, right. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.240 She's a writer, she is a podcaster, she is a 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:03.280 I say actor. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.679 So one thing we haven't mentioned yet about the mcgalor 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.760 is that every year there's a theme. Well, the theme 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:13.439 was Carl Lagerfield. He passed recently. He was the creative 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:14.680 mind behind Chanel. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.560 So he's been the creative director of Chanelle since nineteen 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.559 eighty three, literally up until when he died. But he 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.839 also had his own clothing lines and accessory lines and 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:22.520 fashion lines as well. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.760 Yeah, I and everyone knows. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:25.920 He was the King of Fashion. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.040 He also in the later years of his life, it 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.160 became quite evident how controversial he was. But I wonder 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.839 whether he was just controversial in his later years or 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.280 whether it became more publicized, because prior to that, I 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.440 think it was more focused on his fashion. And then 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.920 as social media grew and as access to people's individual 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.000 opinions became more public, we started to see more of 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.200 the things that he would say. So to give you 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.719 some context around that, some of his controversial views are 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.360 about things like Syrian refugees, around weight and body image, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.000 making the comment that fat people shouldn't be wearing fashion, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.439 or fashion's not made for people who got a fat phobia, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.440 a lot of fat phobia. He also had some pretty 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.520 shocking comments around the Me Too movement. In twenty eighteen, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.840 he said to Numeror magazine that he was fed up 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.000 with it, and this is a direct quote. What shocks 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.160 me most in all of this are the starlets who 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.200 have taken twenty years to remember what happened, not to 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.400 mention the fact that there are no prosecution witnesses. If 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.640 you don't want your pants pulled about, don't become a model. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.240 Join a nunnery It's actually wild, isn't it, Especially the 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:33.079 fact that he's saying it took them twenty years to remember. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.480 I'm sure there's not a day that they've ever oh 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.559 for boss like this has nothing to do with memory. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.400 It's actually so dismissive and crazy that he's saying these 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.400 things and people are brushing it under the carpet. Well, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.800 I mean, I think there's definitely been some commentary around 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.600 how it was a very unusual choice to make this 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.960 met gala the theme around Carl Lagerfield. But Jamila Jamil 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:54.800 came out with a statement about it, and I think, 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.720 you know, mostly everyone has been looking at the beautiful costumes, 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.160 I being questionable whether they're beautiful. But this was the 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.040 first person who I've seen actually put it into words 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.559 why it's so problematic. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.720 This is what she said last night. Hollywood and Fashion 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.240 said the quiet part out loud. When a lot of 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.640 famous feminists chose to celebrate at the highest level a 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.240 man who was so publicly cruel to women, to fat people, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.480 to immigrants, and to sexual assault survivors, and all of 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.240 the women's publications and spectators online chose to gleefully ignore it. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.920 Suddenly your appetite to find someone's tweets from when they 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.040 were twelve has gone. Nobody has perfect morals, least of 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.720 all me but Jesus Christ. We had a year to 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.520 course correct here and not award the highest on a 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:40.040 possible to a known bigot, and everyone just decided all 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.000 of a sudden, we can separate the art from the 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.920 artists when convenient. And it's one rule for us and 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.160 another rule for everyone else. Last night we relinquished our 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.280 right to be taken it all seriously about anything important. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.120 That was something she'd written in a notes basically and 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:55.920 she'd posted. But then she went on to say, it's 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.080 not about cancel culture. It's not even about Kyle himself. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.440 It's just about showing how selective cancel culture can be. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.600 And then then she went on to get into politics, actually, 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:05.320 which I lost. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:05.960 She lost me. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.720 Well, I think the big question here is is that 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.840 can you celebrate Karl for being an incredible fashion like 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.440 he was the cornerstone of world fashion with what he 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.040 created in Channel? Can you celebrate his legacy in terms 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.280 of a fashion legacy and extract his personal views and 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.640 the way he saw the world, like do those things 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.240 live as silos? Or do we now in today's culture, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.520 anybody who has had a significant impact on society and culture, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.840 or anybody who we hold up as a celebrity status, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:38.840 does the person always come with the art, which is 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.240 exactly what they've said, the art with the artist. Are 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.200 those things inextricable that we can't celebrate one without acknowledging 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:45.560 the other? 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.640 Well, there was something interesting that I did read in 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.680 response to that, and Jamila's post really prompted some thoughts 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.280 for me because I always knew very surface level that 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.000 Karl was inappropriate, but I never knew in depth the 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.960 things he was actually saying. So I'd always read that, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.560 you know, he said in a probe career, he'd said 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.480 something that was wrong, but I'd never done a deep 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.400 dive into it because fashion is not my world, right, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.560 But after seeing Jimil's posts, I did do a proper 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.280 deep dive and it is very disturbing. But one thing 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.000 I do want to say is that there were a 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:16.040 couple of people that attended the megala that they're saying 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.040 attended as a fuck you to Carl. They were taking 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.160 the piss to Carl. Now one of those people is Lizzo. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.560 Why would they be attending as a fuck you, though, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.680 because you still want to go to the Night of Nights, 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.280 but you want to make I get it. You want 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.560 to go to the Night of Nights like you. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.160 Don't want to be excluded because like it's going to 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.520 be a fun body in Hollywood. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.320 But you want to do a fuck you. So Lizzo went, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.320 and what they're saying is she purposely wore a lega 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.520 Field silhouette dress so it was lovely and beautiful and tight. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.560 But then she posted and posed eating French fries because 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.880 Carl always talked about you know, we just spoke about 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.560 this fat phobia. He always talked about it should only 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.600 be skinny people. His outfit should have only been worn 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.640 on those ludicrously thin and she. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.520 Was like, he'll be rolling in his grill right now. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.680