Speaker 1: Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and we'll welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 1: Life Uncut.
Speaker 3: I'm Brittany, I'm Laura. You don't want to keep talking
Speaker 3: about my crooks.
Speaker 1: No, you've already offended me in my fashion today, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I said, your shoes look like the inside of a big.
Speaker 1: No, you cook your quote. So what the fuck are they?
Speaker 1: They are the ugliest things I see. They look like
Speaker 1: a whitehead pimple. And I said, these are my five
Speaker 1: dollar slides from cotton on body and I love them.
Speaker 1: You know what they say, you can't buy taste. I
Speaker 1: love that This is coming from Laura, at the least
Speaker 1: fashionable person in the world. Okay, before we get into
Speaker 1: the episode, I'm unwell and I know I sound unwells.
Speaker 1: I want you guys to know that I know that
Speaker 1: you know that I know that I'm unwell and sound
Speaker 1: needs you.
Speaker 3: Actually, I'm fine, not.
Speaker 1: In my ears. And also Keisha told me to, and
Speaker 1: she's the producer, so I trust him.
Speaker 3: Moll, Yeah, I don't trust anything.
Speaker 1: I don't like we pay her, so I need to
Speaker 1: listen to what she says. I think I'm an unhealthy person.
Speaker 1: I don't really eat vegetables lately. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: been looking after myself, and I think that this is
Speaker 1: my body being like pull your finger out, because I
Speaker 1: just feel like I hit the my mid thirties and
Speaker 1: I got really lazy. And I've never been that person.
Speaker 1: I've always been like so into my health, so into
Speaker 1: my fitness, and all of a sudden, you hit mid
Speaker 1: thirties and you're like, I don't want to get up
Speaker 1: early and.
Speaker 3: Go to the gym anymore. Who does, though?
Speaker 1: But I think I need to do.
Speaker 3: You know what it is.
Speaker 2: The reason why it's stopped for you now is not
Speaker 2: because you hit your mid thirties. It's because you're in
Speaker 2: a happy relationship. It's like as soon as you bag it,
Speaker 2: as soon as you get one and you've got them
Speaker 2: locked in, then you're like a hahf fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: But I meaning the gym for not me.
Speaker 1: I'm in a relationship with someone whose job it is
Speaker 1: to be fit and healthy.
Speaker 3: Well, it's good that he's doing it for both of you,
Speaker 3: That's what I said. I was speaking of Si.
Speaker 2: I just went into the bathroom. This is way too
Speaker 2: much information. Yeah, okay, so we work. We're recording this
Speaker 2: at our a RN offices and this is like a
Speaker 2: shared communal studio. He has three cubicles. There's three toilets,
Speaker 2: and I went in and I was like, I need
Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: Walked into the middle one and.
Speaker 2: Somebody had absolutely decimated it, like it's not functioning. I
Speaker 2: had to go and speak to the lady at reception, Daisy,
Speaker 2: who we love, and explain that it wasn't me, in
Speaker 2: front of an entire group of people who had done that,
Speaker 2: and just to report it, you know, because that's the
Speaker 2: right thing to do.
Speaker 1: People see you go into the bathrooms as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I walked in.
Speaker 2: I was the last person to come out, and everyone's
Speaker 2: gonna think that that was me. And this is me
Speaker 2: just putting it out there to the world. Daisy, if
Speaker 2: you're listening to this, I didn't do that, But then
Speaker 2: I felt like I was justifying it, and then I
Speaker 2: over justified it, and now I'm in this organisation where
Speaker 2: I spoke for so long about not doing it that
Speaker 2: everyone thinks I did.
Speaker 1: That is something that someone that decimated a toilet would say,
Speaker 1: that's the problem if you did that. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I did that, I would do the same thing. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, just so you know that was not me?
Speaker 2: Like, what's the perfect amount of under explaining something so
Speaker 2: that you don't take responsibility for it? Like you want
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that it's happened, but you don't want people
Speaker 2: to think it was you. How far do you go
Speaker 2: with the explaining You're just like, hey, guys, there's something
Speaker 2: wrong with cubicle number two?
Speaker 1: Double down on the decimation? Were you like, I sorry, clogged,
Speaker 1: I'm going to commit to it.
Speaker 2: I went I wanted to deep explanation around how it
Speaker 2: wasn't me, which made everyone stand there thinking it, well, like, how.
Speaker 1: Do you know you so much about it? How much
Speaker 1: time to expect it? The decimated toilet?
Speaker 2: I was like, look, it looks like this color on
Speaker 2: the bottom and then this color on top, and then
Speaker 2: there's lots of toilet paper and I don't know how
Speaker 2: it's happened, but somebody left it like that.
Speaker 1: I swear it wasn't me. How funny is it that
Speaker 1: it is awkward moments. You've really got to be thinking
Speaker 1: of a toilet cubicle now. But when like there's a
Speaker 1: couple of cubicles and two people walking at the same time,
Speaker 1: but no one wants to do anything because the other
Speaker 1: person's there and it's dead silence.
Speaker 3: I will hold.
Speaker 2: I will sit on the toilet and not wea until
Speaker 2: that person has finished, wiped their ass, flushed, and walked out.
Speaker 3: I will wait.
Speaker 1: No, I got I was in a standoff the other
Speaker 1: day in the same cubicle. I was in a standoff
Speaker 1: toilet stand off. There was someone in one no one
Speaker 1: in the middle, and I was in the other one
Speaker 1: and we're both holding it. And she'd been in before me.
Speaker 1: She was in there.
Speaker 3: You're like, come on, just finished, You've got to finish that.
Speaker 1: I held for a minute and I was like, she'll
Speaker 1: be out any minute. You could just hear like little
Speaker 1: scuffs and stuff, but no noise from either rest of
Speaker 1: And then I was like, it is so awkward now
Speaker 1: that I can't do it. And I ended up just
Speaker 1: not doing it, holding, flushing, pretending I did, pretending I
Speaker 1: did all because you didn't want to wait in front
Speaker 1: of her. It was just too It was just too awkward.
Speaker 1: It was like a Mexican stand off.
Speaker 2: You do have to kind of try and time it
Speaker 2: so that you're not leaving your cubicle at the same
Speaker 2: time you wait for You're like, oh, is that a
Speaker 2: toilet paper rustle? Okay, I know I have about twenty seconds,
Speaker 2: or are they flushing?
Speaker 3: You can time somebody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to meet each other. You don't
Speaker 1: meet each other at the hand washing station.
Speaker 3: But also i'd be like, I know what you were doing.
Speaker 1: How annoying is that when you flushed, because you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is my out.
Speaker 3: I've got my out.
Speaker 1: So you flushed and then they flush right after. You're like,
Speaker 1: you heard me flush. Wait the obligatory twenty seconds before
Speaker 1: you flushed, you just sit there and waited out. You
Speaker 1: do not flush one second after someone else's flushes. So
Speaker 1: the hand was in station also known as the tap.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we all we all know this,
Speaker 1: that there is just like an uns spoken etiquette about
Speaker 1: timing of going to a public toilet, but obviously some
Speaker 1: people don't know it. People gotta be like, what the
Speaker 1: hell does do we need to do and get out?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think most people awkwardly time it to make sure
Speaker 1: that they're not doing it at the same time as
Speaker 1: the person in.
Speaker 3: The room next door.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you walk into a cubicle and you know,
Speaker 2: you walk in, shut the door, go it under your pants,
Speaker 2: and then realize that actually the toilet is not really usable,
Speaker 2: like my situation today, I was like, oh man, that's
Speaker 2: no one's going to use that. Do you pull your
Speaker 2: pants back up and walk out or do you just
Speaker 2: kind of leave them unbuttoned and then walk into the
Speaker 2: next cubicle.
Speaker 1: I would definitely use my spidy senses to assess the
Speaker 1: situation and be like, Okay, I don't think I heard
Speaker 1: anyone else coming in. I just leave them down out
Speaker 1: of laziness, and I would just walk out into the
Speaker 1: next cube. Because it also depends our cubicles. Here there's
Speaker 1: three toilets. If you're at like a concert this or
Speaker 1: at airport there's like thirty cubicles, you can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're really risking walking around with your pants under.
Speaker 2: But imagine if you walked out of one that had
Speaker 2: been decimated with your pants hunter.
Speaker 3: And when it looks like you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I still think you get it.
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm ready for number two.
Speaker 1: Talk about Laura's Like, how much do you try and
Speaker 1: say before people realize it was you. You've been banging
Speaker 1: on about it on the pod for twenty minutes. You
Speaker 1: decimated the toilet, We've solved the problem, inspected Brittany and
Speaker 1: so had ah. Fuck all right, well anyway, Look, there's
Speaker 1: lots of things that we want to talk about in
Speaker 1: today's episode. Obviously we want to answer your questions because
Speaker 1: that's what you all came here for. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about the thing that every single person on the whole
Speaker 1: of the internet on Instagram. You can't even open up
Speaker 1: your phone without seeing it. The bet Gala, oh the Mega.
Speaker 1: Now I have mixed feelings. I still because you hate it.
Speaker 3: I fucking hate it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Obviously it's a massive costume party. When
Speaker 1: I say I love it, I don't actually love it.
Speaker 1: But I do enjoy doing a twenty minute scroll of
Speaker 1: what everyone wore this Mechala. Everyone is naked. It's almost
Speaker 1: a competition at how little you can wear, how see
Speaker 1: through can it be? How small can your underpants be?
Speaker 1: Because underpants are pants now.
Speaker 2: Apparently except for if you're Rihanna, Can someone please explain
Speaker 2: to me? While she dressed up like a giant tampas, it.
Speaker 1: Was a vibe, wasn't it like? Wasn't it a vibe?
Speaker 1: Is in like? The theme of the night seemed to
Speaker 1: be quite mean?
Speaker 2: Only her and then Olivia Wild She had this thing
Speaker 2: like it was like an armor down the front of herself.
Speaker 2: But if you just focused on the gold thing on
Speaker 2: her belly, it looked like she was wearing a.
Speaker 1: Bad But also, speaking of that, so awkward, imagine going
Speaker 1: to the mechala and turning up in the same dress
Speaker 1: as someone It's Fashion's night of night. Somebody else wore
Speaker 1: that pad dress as well in black? What yep, yep,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly the dress. I thought that if you were
Speaker 1: going to the met gala, you got something custom made.
Speaker 3: I thought they all spent like four million dollars on
Speaker 3: their cloth.
Speaker 1: This is Vogue's China editor, Margaret Zang, and they both
Speaker 1: looked stunning like they did both look beautiful, But she
Speaker 1: had the black version and Olivia had the white version,
Speaker 1: and it was identical. I would be beside myself if
Speaker 1: I cared enough to go to that event.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand why.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why it's so popular, Like why does
Speaker 2: it stop the world.
Speaker 3: It's not even happening in our country. Why do we
Speaker 3: care so much?
Speaker 1: We have a weird obsession with celebrity, and then we
Speaker 1: have a weird obsession with fashion, So you put fashion
Speaker 1: on celebrity and it's the night of nights. That's how
Speaker 1: it's created. Like no one cares about the event, no one.
Speaker 1: It's the dumbest charity.
Speaker 2: Also, no one actually understands what the event is. We
Speaker 2: only know about the red carpet.
Speaker 3: Like where do they do?
Speaker 2: They go and sit in the hall? Do they have dinner?
Speaker 2: They do they go for a dance? Like what do
Speaker 2: they do in their outfits?
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you remember last year?
Speaker 3: No, I can't remember. Yesterday there was.
Speaker 1: Heap, so the behind the scenes stuff was leaked and
Speaker 1: apparently it was awful. Like they are spending thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands to get a ticket to go to a table
Speaker 1: because it's raising money for the Metgala costumes, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. So they're raising like between seventeen and twenty
Speaker 1: five million dollars or something, which is ludicrous for the costumes.
Speaker 1: But all this footage was leaked last year from people
Speaker 1: that went about the food that were served and what
Speaker 1: actually happens on the inside, and it looked grim, grim,
Speaker 1: It looked terrible. It looked like, you cannot believe that's
Speaker 1: what people paying that much money literally to be seen
Speaker 1: on the red carpet, which I get because if you're
Speaker 1: a budding actor, actress, model, whoever you are, it is
Speaker 1: the place to be seen. It is going to get
Speaker 1: you in all the tabloids. So I understand why people
Speaker 1: are wanting to go. I totally understand it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're getting into tabloids and they look stupid.
Speaker 1: Some No. I love looking at the fashions. Some of
Speaker 1: them were absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2: Some of them were beautiful, beautiful, beautif who name one.
Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner's outfit is one of the best I've seen
Speaker 1: her in. I think she looked stunning. Kylie. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: the one that was all the red one? I thought
Speaker 1: I was thinking the black Topsino. Don't know who's who?
Speaker 1: So why is there two that never go? Do they
Speaker 1: just not get invited?
Speaker 2: Does Courtney in whatever it name, Courtney and Chloe they
Speaker 2: never get invites?
Speaker 1: I don't think they do know.
Speaker 3: Oh Keisha saying they got invited.
Speaker 2: Keisha is actually up to date with someone's happening in
Speaker 2: the kadashi in world. I mean got invited last year,
Speaker 2: but this year they didn't make the cut guys because
Speaker 2: the met color is very exclusive and there was only
Speaker 2: room for three.
Speaker 3: Katashy was at that table. How devoed would you be?
Speaker 1: Will you just know where you sit in the pecking
Speaker 1: order like they already know, but then you really know
Speaker 1: and the world knows you sick and you don't get
Speaker 1: an invite to the met gal Yeah, speaking of the
Speaker 1: pecking order, it's like recently where you got invited to
Speaker 1: that huge charity event to host it. I didn't even
Speaker 1: get invited to go. Everyone's like, oh, you couldn't make it.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I didn't get an invite. I did,
Speaker 1: I was in it and I couldn't even invite it. Wild.
Speaker 2: Look, it was a very very important cause, unlike the
Speaker 2: met Gala, which was actually for no cause at all.
Speaker 2: The metal I mean, I know you mentioned it Britain,
Speaker 2: We spoke about it last year. The money literally goes
Speaker 2: to a fashion costume institute, So think about raising seventeen
Speaker 2: million dollars for a costume box.
Speaker 1: I understand it because it's the fashion I tonight, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's wrong with it. And speaking of
Speaker 1: a lot that's wrong with it, we did want to
Speaker 1: talk about something that we you know, we were alerted
Speaker 1: to this. I didn't actually know this.
Speaker 3: No one alerted to us.
Speaker 1: Were no, we were a love Jamila Jamil called me
Speaker 1: up and she's like, brit, I don't know if she no.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know what you're talking about on
Speaker 2: your Thursday episode, but this needs to be for discussed.
Speaker 1: With Jamila Jamil. Now she's I guess she's Hollywood's ultimate feminist, right.
Speaker 2: She's a writer, she is a podcaster, she is a
Speaker 2: I say actor.
Speaker 1: So one thing we haven't mentioned yet about the mcgalor
Speaker 1: is that every year there's a theme. Well, the theme
Speaker 1: was Carl Lagerfield. He passed recently. He was the creative
Speaker 1: mind behind Chanel.
Speaker 2: So he's been the creative director of Chanelle since nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three, literally up until when he died. But he
Speaker 2: also had his own clothing lines and accessory lines and
Speaker 2: fashion lines as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I and everyone knows.
Speaker 3: He was the King of Fashion.
Speaker 2: He also in the later years of his life, it
Speaker 2: became quite evident how controversial he was. But I wonder
Speaker 2: whether he was just controversial in his later years or
Speaker 2: whether it became more publicized, because prior to that, I
Speaker 2: think it was more focused on his fashion. And then
Speaker 2: as social media grew and as access to people's individual
Speaker 2: opinions became more public, we started to see more of
Speaker 2: the things that he would say. So to give you
Speaker 2: some context around that, some of his controversial views are
Speaker 2: about things like Syrian refugees, around weight and body image,
Speaker 2: making the comment that fat people shouldn't be wearing fashion,
Speaker 2: or fashion's not made for people who got a fat phobia,
Speaker 2: a lot of fat phobia. He also had some pretty
Speaker 2: shocking comments around the Me Too movement. In twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: he said to Numeror magazine that he was fed up
Speaker 2: with it, and this is a direct quote. What shocks
Speaker 2: me most in all of this are the starlets who
Speaker 2: have taken twenty years to remember what happened, not to
Speaker 2: mention the fact that there are no prosecution witnesses. If
Speaker 2: you don't want your pants pulled about, don't become a model.
Speaker 2: Join a nunnery It's actually wild, isn't it, Especially the
Speaker 2: fact that he's saying it took them twenty years to remember.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's not a day that they've ever oh
Speaker 2: for boss like this has nothing to do with memory.
Speaker 2: It's actually so dismissive and crazy that he's saying these
Speaker 2: things and people are brushing it under the carpet. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's definitely been some commentary around
Speaker 2: how it was a very unusual choice to make this
Speaker 2: met gala the theme around Carl Lagerfield. But Jamila Jamil
Speaker 2: came out with a statement about it, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, mostly everyone has been looking at the beautiful costumes,
Speaker 2: I being questionable whether they're beautiful. But this was the
Speaker 2: first person who I've seen actually put it into words
Speaker 2: why it's so problematic.
Speaker 1: This is what she said last night. Hollywood and Fashion
Speaker 1: said the quiet part out loud. When a lot of
Speaker 1: famous feminists chose to celebrate at the highest level a
Speaker 1: man who was so publicly cruel to women, to fat people,
Speaker 1: to immigrants, and to sexual assault survivors, and all of
Speaker 1: the women's publications and spectators online chose to gleefully ignore it.
Speaker 1: Suddenly your appetite to find someone's tweets from when they
Speaker 1: were twelve has gone. Nobody has perfect morals, least of
Speaker 1: all me but Jesus Christ. We had a year to
Speaker 1: course correct here and not award the highest on a
Speaker 1: possible to a known bigot, and everyone just decided all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we can separate the art from the
Speaker 1: artists when convenient. And it's one rule for us and
Speaker 1: another rule for everyone else. Last night we relinquished our
Speaker 1: right to be taken it all seriously about anything important.
Speaker 1: That was something she'd written in a notes basically and
Speaker 1: she'd posted. But then she went on to say, it's
Speaker 1: not about cancel culture. It's not even about Kyle himself.
Speaker 1: It's just about showing how selective cancel culture can be.
Speaker 1: And then then she went on to get into politics, actually,
Speaker 1: which I lost.
Speaker 3: She lost me.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the big question here is is that
Speaker 2: can you celebrate Karl for being an incredible fashion like
Speaker 2: he was the cornerstone of world fashion with what he
Speaker 2: created in Channel? Can you celebrate his legacy in terms
Speaker 2: of a fashion legacy and extract his personal views and
Speaker 2: the way he saw the world, like do those things
Speaker 2: live as silos? Or do we now in today's culture,
Speaker 2: anybody who has had a significant impact on society and culture,
Speaker 2: or anybody who we hold up as a celebrity status,
Speaker 2: does the person always come with the art, which is
Speaker 2: exactly what they've said, the art with the artist. Are
Speaker 2: those things inextricable that we can't celebrate one without acknowledging
Speaker 2: the other?
Speaker 1: Well, there was something interesting that I did read in
Speaker 1: response to that, and Jamila's post really prompted some thoughts
Speaker 1: for me because I always knew very surface level that
Speaker 1: Karl was inappropriate, but I never knew in depth the
Speaker 1: things he was actually saying. So I'd always read that,
Speaker 1: you know, he said in a probe career, he'd said
Speaker 1: something that was wrong, but I'd never done a deep
Speaker 1: dive into it because fashion is not my world, right,
Speaker 1: But after seeing Jimil's posts, I did do a proper
Speaker 1: deep dive and it is very disturbing. But one thing
Speaker 1: I do want to say is that there were a
Speaker 1: couple of people that attended the megala that they're saying
Speaker 1: attended as a fuck you to Carl. They were taking
Speaker 1: the piss to Carl. Now one of those people is Lizzo.
Speaker 1: Why would they be attending as a fuck you, though,
Speaker 1: because you still want to go to the Night of Nights,
Speaker 1: but you want to make I get it. You want
Speaker 1: to go to the Night of Nights like you.
Speaker 2: Don't want to be excluded because like it's going to
Speaker 2: be a fun body in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: But you want to do a fuck you. So Lizzo went,
Speaker 1: and what they're saying is she purposely wore a lega
Speaker 1: Field silhouette dress so it was lovely and beautiful and tight.
Speaker 1: But then she posted and posed eating French fries because
Speaker 1: Carl always talked about you know, we just spoke about
Speaker 1: this fat phobia. He always talked about it should only
Speaker 1: be skinny people. His outfit should have only been worn
Speaker 1: on those ludicrously thin and she.
Speaker 3: Was like, he'll be rolling in his grill right now.
Speaker 3: Yes here, I am with my big mac. You fuck exactly.
Speaker 1: So there are some subtle things like that that I
Speaker 1: was like, Lizzo, fucking yes, Well, I think as well,
Speaker 1: because I mean, on one hand, there's the whole conversation
Speaker 1: like is a boycott the best way of protesting something
Speaker 1: like if all the celebrities were.
Speaker 3: Like, we're not gonna go because we don't agree with it.
Speaker 2: I think you can go and support an event, but
Speaker 2: I do love the idea that like Lizzo was like,
Speaker 2: I want to go because I want to be at
Speaker 2: this and I like fashion, but this is gonna be
Speaker 2: a fuck you to the legacy, not the legacy of fashion,
Speaker 2: but the legacy of bigotry that was left behind. And
Speaker 2: I also think that this is quite interesting because so
Speaker 2: Barry Humphries, as we all know he recently passed away.
Speaker 2: Barry Humphries was Dame Edna and he was a huge
Speaker 2: Australian comedian and you know, mostly I think across Australia
Speaker 2: I beloved Australian comedian. However, he had some extremely controversial
Speaker 2: views when it came to trans people.
Speaker 3: And was very discriminatory.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we give people a bit of a
Speaker 2: pass card when they get old. We're like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not as bad when like an eighty year old said
Speaker 2: crazy bigoted things as what it is when someone in
Speaker 2: their thirties does yes.
Speaker 1: Because it's almost like this, well, you should know better
Speaker 1: in this generation.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: That's what slapped with this generation, as in like you
Speaker 1: can't teach an old dog new tricks, and.
Speaker 2: We kind of give older people who have grown up
Speaker 2: in past generations a little bit more of a free pass.
Speaker 2: And I say this because, like, fuck, my grandparents have
Speaker 2: said questionable things. Do I hold them to the same
Speaker 2: standard that I hold my friends.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: But the reason for that is because they grew up
Speaker 2: in a very, very different time. And I'm not going
Speaker 2: to try and educate my eighty six year old grandma
Speaker 2: who has dementia on why what she's saying is inappropriate.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let that pass. But would I say
Speaker 2: something to my friend. Absolutely. But the reason why I
Speaker 2: bring out Barry Humphries as an example is because so
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and this is before he passed away, obviously,
Speaker 2: he was stripped of the comedy award that he had.
Speaker 2: He had like a big name. It was called the
Speaker 2: mcf's Main Award. I don't know what that is, but
Speaker 2: if you're a comedy person you might It was named
Speaker 2: after him. It was the Barry Humphreys Award, and he
Speaker 2: was stripped of that because of the things that he
Speaker 2: had said about trans people. I don't think in today's
Speaker 2: society that you're able to extrapolate art from the artist,
Speaker 2: especially in terms of something like fashion, which fashion permeates
Speaker 2: so much of our culture. It permeates body image, It
Speaker 2: permeates the way that fifteen year old girls view themselves.
Speaker 2: It is aspirational. It also is reflected back in music,
Speaker 2: in movies.
Speaker 3: In film.
Speaker 2: So I think when you are creating and you have
Speaker 2: such a strong and powerful hold over something that is
Speaker 2: actually so important in society, when you have problematic views
Speaker 2: like you are fat phobic or you are racist, those
Speaker 2: things permeate into that as well. And I think that
Speaker 2: from a top down you can't say, well, let's celebrate
Speaker 2: the artist but ignore the fact that he's done and
Speaker 2: said all these things.
Speaker 1: I can't get my head around what is happening in
Speaker 1: cancel culture in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Because this is very selective.
Speaker 1: But this is why I think Jamila's post is so
Speaker 1: thought provoking, because it is selective, and I've never thought
Speaker 1: of it really until then. I've thought we've always wanted
Speaker 1: to jump on as a society cancel culture. We have
Speaker 1: spoken before that we don't really like cancel culture. We
Speaker 1: don't believe in it. I never want to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. I find discussions around it interesting. But
Speaker 1: Jamila's whole post is so interesting because she says, this
Speaker 1: isn't about cancel culture, and it isn't about Karl. It's
Speaker 1: about why we're so selective with who we want to
Speaker 1: cancel and when we want to cancel them, and should
Speaker 1: we be doing that? And I find that an interesting
Speaker 1: discussion because it's very easy to just, in sort of
Speaker 1: addition to something you just said, Laura, but it's very
Speaker 1: easy to just hold on to something negative or something
Speaker 1: bad that someone has done or said, or a mistake
Speaker 1: they've made or whatever. I'm not making any specific examples here,
Speaker 1: but then forget every good thing that they've ever done,
Speaker 1: or every nice thing they've ever done, or every positive thing,
Speaker 1: or every contribution to society or their industry. It's very
Speaker 1: easy to forget all of that as soon as somebody
Speaker 1: slips up and makes a mistake.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there are some people who are
Speaker 2: actually so powerful that they're exempt from cancel culture, or
Speaker 2: that they get to a status where they're so prolific
Speaker 2: in their field or whatever it is, and they have
Speaker 2: been so innovative in that field that therefore they're not cancelable.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, if you ask me this one year two years ago,
Speaker 1: I would have said, yes, there absolutely are there are
Speaker 1: people that are untouchable, but I don't think there are now.
Speaker 1: I think society has changed now where people are like,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck who you are anymore, which
Speaker 1: is why it's so interesting that Kyl's been celebrated. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like Carl part of it as well, as
Speaker 2: is because he's a bit eccentric and baddie and it's
Speaker 2: it's cute. It's eccentricity that makes people go and go, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, but he's harmless, and I think that that
Speaker 2: plays a part in why he's kind of forgiven. Like
Speaker 2: he is this sort of like eccentric storyteller, and we
Speaker 2: have seen that as endearing and people have wanted to
Speaker 2: be close to him because then his immense spotlight is
Speaker 2: shined on them as well. Models want to wear his clothes,
Speaker 2: people want to work with him in fashion editorial. Like
Speaker 2: he was such a huge and prolific person within the
Speaker 2: fashion industry that I think his eccentricness and his creativity
Speaker 2: almost was the exemption for his bad behavior. And I
Speaker 2: mean we do see it in sport people who are
Speaker 2: incredible in their field. Incredible sportsmen are often given the
Speaker 2: exemption pass when they behave badly because they're fucking amazing
Speaker 2: sports people.
Speaker 3: So I do think we see.
Speaker 2: It, but it is, as Jamilla said, it is incredibly selective.
Speaker 2: Before we get into answering, you're deep, you're ducking, you're
Speaker 2: burning questions. It's time for vibe and unsubscribe loving life. Lately,
Speaker 2: I'm not unsubscribing from anything, but I do.
Speaker 1: Never unsubscribed for anyth because we're just always so positive.
Speaker 1: We're like, let's love this.
Speaker 2: We're like, let's do this segment different, let's do vibes
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Speaker 3: But actually things are good. Oh nah, do you know what.
Speaker 3: I've got one.
Speaker 2: I've got one got an unsubscribed I'm unsubscribing from the
Speaker 2: MyGov website.
Speaker 3: It actually got hacked the other day, Willge, there you go,
Speaker 3: there you go. It is so bad trying to find
Speaker 3: anything on that website.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't have to click into twenty five
Speaker 1: tabs to get I did the same thing the other day.
Speaker 1: Now that you say that, actually it was like you've
Speaker 1: got a message or something and I had to action
Speaker 1: something and I had to go to twenty five different
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Speaker 2: It's like mining for gold. Like, literally, you go there
Speaker 2: with a purpose.
Speaker 3: But you may or may not find something, and who knows.
Speaker 2: And when you do, you're so excited because you're like,
Speaker 2: oh God, that was as hard as I thought it
Speaker 2: was going to be. You know that if you have
Speaker 2: to log onto the MyGov website and do anything on
Speaker 2: my guve, that that's like half an hour of your
Speaker 2: life is gone. It's a very stressful situation. I have
Speaker 2: no idea where my superannuation is or who it is
Speaker 2: or what it is. And someone was like, you can
Speaker 2: figure it anyway. Apparently who knows. I still don't know
Speaker 2: if you can figure it out through my guve. That's
Speaker 2: man subscribed.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's your subscribe?
Speaker 3: My subscribe my vibe.
Speaker 2: I have the worst eyelashes, and the reason for that.
Speaker 1: Is, oh, I reckon, I'm run you for that title.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like to keep them, don't fall out
Speaker 2: or anything. But the reason Whylshes are listening.
Speaker 3: Ash, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You were trying to tell me on Tuesday's episode that
Speaker 2: if I don't talk nicely to my plants, they're gonna die.
Speaker 3: So maybe my eyelashes, your.
Speaker 1: Plants are alive. It's a living organism.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 2: I can't wear mascara even though it's like the one
Speaker 2: thing that makes me look awake. And the reason for
Speaker 2: that is because I always get black, like the black
Speaker 2: fall above and below my eyes. My eyelashes touched the
Speaker 2: top of my eyelids, so.
Speaker 1: I get those black shots saying that your eyelashes are
Speaker 1: too long. What a problem to have, Laura.
Speaker 3: It's horrible.
Speaker 2: But I finally came across the mescar, which I'm loving
Speaker 2: because sometimes the tubulum mascars this makes me sound so basic,
Speaker 2: but I don't even care. Sometimes the tubulum mascars are
Speaker 2: too watery and they don't actually make your lashes look
Speaker 2: thick enough. But I found one that is like makes
Speaker 2: everything look thick and beautiful. And also it doesn't give
Speaker 2: you like mascaraful around your eyes, so don't look at Panda.
Speaker 1: Well I need that.
Speaker 2: It's called well, it's the Laurel, but it is their
Speaker 2: lash Paradise muscaa black. It comes in a pink tube.
Speaker 2: I'm reading it, so that's why it sounds. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: sounds sponsored, even though it's not. Yeah, it's fucking great.
Speaker 2: I've got brought two tubes, and I gave one to
Speaker 2: my sister. Yeah, right, from chemist, from the chemist.
Speaker 3: From chemist.
Speaker 1: I've been going between eyelashes, fake eyelash extensions and not,
Speaker 1: and every time I do it, I like every couple
Speaker 1: of months, I get them and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I look so much better. They make such a difference
Speaker 1: to your face, Like eyelashes change everything. But then I
Speaker 1: get lazy. I don't want to go back and in
Speaker 1: fill them. Then they fall out and I have one
Speaker 1: mega long lash for a long time. So I definitely
Speaker 1: need to pick a lane with my eyelashes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm off flash extensions because it looks great for
Speaker 2: twos and then you look like as some sort of
Speaker 2: like half bald chicken when like chickens get mites and
Speaker 2: they've like lost half their feathers, that's what you look like.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, my vibe is this is a question I
Speaker 1: genuinely get assalot. It's not me saying like you all
Speaker 1: want to know. I genuinely ask about my hair a
Speaker 1: lot now. In case you don't know, I'm very open
Speaker 1: about it. I post about it in case you don't know.
Speaker 1: I have hair extensions. I have great length hair extensions.
Speaker 1: I have short, thin hair. I don't have luscious natural hair,
Speaker 1: so I get hair extensions more times than not. I
Speaker 1: have hair extensions in sometimes I have them out. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've.
Speaker 2: Seen you without hair extensions in a long time, like
Speaker 2: a long time though. I don't remember who you are
Speaker 2: without hair extensions.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's a good thing to know, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago I didn't have for me.
Speaker 1: But anyway, hair extensions mean for me, I can wake
Speaker 1: up out of bed and your hair generally just falls nicely,
Speaker 1: like it's always looks good, it always looks healthy. People
Speaker 1: always like, what do you use for your hair? It's
Speaker 1: so healthy and lush. It's not I don't use anything.
Speaker 1: It's just I use someone else's. It's just hair extensions.
Speaker 1: I obviously get good shampoo and condition but that's my vibe.
Speaker 1: Like I'm outing myself. I have hair extensions. This is
Speaker 1: not real, and I will when I take them out, eventually,
Speaker 1: I'll show you the difference. But I've got heaps of
Speaker 1: reels on my Instagram page of before and after hair extensions.
Speaker 1: So if you do want to have a look, go
Speaker 1: have a little look. See Keisha actually has a vibe. Keisha,
Speaker 1: what's the vibe this week.
Speaker 4: Well, given that yours was Masca, it wasn't bringing a
Speaker 4: little bit of our class to theocast.
Speaker 1: Their extensions are class.
Speaker 4: I listened to an episode of The Daily It's a
Speaker 4: podcast by the New York Times. This is we're really
Speaker 4: like upping the intelligence of the vibes this week.
Speaker 3: He waited, all right, fucking flex.
Speaker 4: It's called the Ballad of the Deep Fake Drake. Do
Speaker 4: you guys remember I think it was maybe two or
Speaker 4: three weeks ago. This ghost writer was their name. They
Speaker 4: were basically an artificial intelligence music producer, completely anonymous, and
Speaker 4: they basically made a fake artificial intelligence song that sounded
Speaker 4: exactly like Drake, and it started charting. It was all
Speaker 4: over all of our social media, so TikTok and Instagram,
Speaker 4: and it was all a little bit of fun and
Speaker 4: games where it was like, oh, artificial intelligence, like it's
Speaker 4: taking over so much of the world, and particularly with
Speaker 4: like photos and what we can do, But how is
Speaker 4: it impacting the music industry? Basically the music labels, like
Speaker 4: you think about Universal Music, who Drake is signed by.
Speaker 4: It was a song that kind of imitated Drake and
Speaker 4: the weekend they essentially got involved because this song was
Speaker 4: going to start making money. It was on YouTube, it
Speaker 4: was on Spotify, and it was actually bringing in revenue.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, who is the one who owns it?
Speaker 2: But obviously, I mean, I think that the answer is
Speaker 2: pretty obvious. But I'm obviously not someone who works in
Speaker 2: any sort of AI law. But surely it's Drake because
Speaker 2: the reason why it should be Drake is because the
Speaker 2: only reason why it's making money is off his image.
Speaker 2: If it was just some Joe Blow from the local
Speaker 2: service station who released that same song, it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: charting and it wouldn't make money.
Speaker 4: As it turns out, no, that's not the case. So
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence means that you can take the sound of someone,
Speaker 4: but you also think about in the music industry of
Speaker 4: like the songwriter or who creates the music behind it,
Speaker 4: who creates the riffs. If you think about it in
Speaker 4: terms of photos, it's like, we have this really when
Speaker 4: social media blew up who owns an image and they
Speaker 4: ended up kind of landing on well, the person who
Speaker 4: took the photo is the person who owns the image.
Speaker 4: But this is a whole new world with music and
Speaker 4: the labels. They're not trying to get ahead of it
Speaker 4: and stop it because they know that they can't. They're
Speaker 4: basically trying to be like, Okay, well, if you're going
Speaker 4: to use our artists, you need to give us a
Speaker 4: portion of the cut.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Imagine if someone was like, oh, hey, it's not the
Speaker 2: real Taylor Swift, but like, here is a whole new
Speaker 2: album that she's created and it sounds like her, and
Speaker 2: it looks like her, and it moves like her, and
Speaker 2: it shakes like her, and then she's not making a
Speaker 2: single dollar from it.
Speaker 3: This does, interestingly, some artists are on board with it.
Speaker 4: And this is what this whole podcast, this is why
Speaker 4: it's actually like wildly interesting because people like Grimes are saying,
Speaker 4: you can totally use my voice.
Speaker 3: This is the way that the world's going, and I'm
Speaker 3: okay with it.
Speaker 1: To be clear, what's the vibe the podcast? It's like,
Speaker 1: we've just that whole podcast episode. What is the vibe?
Speaker 3: Kisha?
Speaker 4: The specific podcast episode by The Daily called the Ballad
Speaker 4: of Deep Fake Drake, And I just find it very
Speaker 4: interesting that, like, you know, if someone had said something
Speaker 4: of music, AI would have been like fucking boring, But
Speaker 4: I was well interested by this whole episode, and I
Speaker 4: think it's the future.
Speaker 2: Did anybody see the article that came out not so
Speaker 2: long ago and it was an interview with Michael Schumacher,
Speaker 2: So you know Michael Schumacher, who obviously is has been
Speaker 2: in a coma and has not done any media since
Speaker 2: his horrific accident because he's unable to from his injuries.
Speaker 2: There was an AI created interview with him that was like,
Speaker 2: these are the answers he would have given if he could.
Speaker 2: It's so respect it's so exploitive. Anyway, that's yeah, Look,
Speaker 2: that's a whole other conversation for all other day. All Right,
Speaker 2: it is time to answer.
Speaker 3: Finally.
Speaker 2: You're deep, you're dark, and you're burning questions. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: hit it off. I have a request for all of
Speaker 2: you dog owners out there. How many how many of
Speaker 2: you let your dog sleep on your bed? If so,
Speaker 2: how do you have sex solo or with a partner?
Speaker 2: Is it a bit of a moodkiller having to stop
Speaker 2: lock your dog outside, listen to a cry for being
Speaker 2: locked outside, do your thing, and then just let it
Speaker 2: back in the bed when you should be spooning. Do
Speaker 2: you bone with We've talked about this, put it outside.
Speaker 1: So funny that you wrote this question. I don't have sex,
Speaker 1: so I haven't actually had sex at home in a
Speaker 1: long time. But I would rather I don't want my
Speaker 1: dog in there, but I'm lucky that my dog wouldn't
Speaker 1: sit at the door and cry either.
Speaker 3: But if my dog, oh, Keisha says, yes, she does.
Speaker 2: Keisha has told a whole story on this podcast before
Speaker 2: about how she was getting railed and Delilah was outside, Like, I.
Speaker 1: Think that has more to do with Keisha's sound effects
Speaker 1: than anything. So I probably thought she was part of
Speaker 1: the club and they're all like howling together.
Speaker 3: Like maybe she thought you were getting murdered, she thought
Speaker 3: you were dying.
Speaker 1: She was worried about you, that's all. It was anxiety.
Speaker 1: But I would rather if the choices are your dogs
Speaker 1: sitting there staring at you, watching you go health for leather,
Speaker 1: or sitting outside crying, I'd rather them quietly watch me
Speaker 1: get raal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would rather watch my dog's very quiet busters
Speaker 2: he's so he's so silent, He's just like the sweetest,
Speaker 2: most silent. He could walk into a room and you
Speaker 2: wouldn't even know that he's there, even though he's a giant.
Speaker 2: Many times he's just walked in and sat there and
Speaker 2: you finished, and he's just sitting there watching, like what
Speaker 2: do you do?
Speaker 1: It's the awkward thing. That's a bone I only learned
Speaker 1: this week is that dogs actually do judge their owners
Speaker 1: on their behavior, the way they act, empathy, selfishness, it's
Speaker 1: actually a thing. So when you think that your dog
Speaker 1: is there watching you, they are. They're genuinely judging your
Speaker 1: maneuvers in the bedroom.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're judging your performance. They might judge
Speaker 2: as a person.
Speaker 1: Like girl, get out of stuffish, you need.
Speaker 2: To actually start doing something, Get up on your hands
Speaker 2: and knees and give this work like I do it.
Speaker 2: He's like, this is how it's done. I think it
Speaker 2: is fine to have sex with your dog in the room.
Speaker 2: Should your dog be on the bed?
Speaker 1: No? No, it's weird, especially if they start like licking
Speaker 1: a limb or something. Okay, what if it's that was
Speaker 1: licking your little toe or something, Well.
Speaker 3: Then how do you know who it is?
Speaker 1: Maybe you think your partner's face is in your face
Speaker 1: or a bit down there, you know.
Speaker 3: I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: I think look if they're gonna sit at the door
Speaker 2: and scream and cry, that's a child. If they're gonna
Speaker 2: sit at the door and how that is a bit
Speaker 2: of a moodkiller. But why don't you if you know
Speaker 2: that you're gonna have someone over and have sex with them,
Speaker 2: why don't you like create some sort of distraction for
Speaker 2: your dog, Get them a treat, get one of those
Speaker 2: stupid dummy thingies that you shot peanut butter in the
Speaker 2: coom things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that takes away if you're spontaneously the moment
Speaker 1: having sex, You're like, hang on, let me peet up,
Speaker 1: Butter up this com let me. It's a bit of
Speaker 1: a moment killer, isn't it. Yeah, But you get a
Speaker 1: peanut butter out and they're like, oh yeah, shit's gone down.
Speaker 1: And then you just start wiping on a salavery dog toy.
Speaker 3: And then go wash your hands and come back to
Speaker 3: the bedroom. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think there's no one way that is going
Speaker 2: to be the most romantic way with this situation. Like,
Speaker 2: if you've got a dog that has like attachment issues
Speaker 2: and wants to be in the bedroom with you, you're always
Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with that, just like if you've
Speaker 2: got kids and they've got attachment issues. You've got to
Speaker 2: try and organize the time of which you have sex
Speaker 2: so that your kids aren't standing at the door.
Speaker 3: Going mommy and daddy, what are you tearing?
Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: of forward planning. Maybe the spontaneity of sex can't be
Speaker 2: there as much what you would like.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Ben's here in three weeks, so i'll
Speaker 1: update you the sex with a dog thing. See how
Speaker 1: Delilah goes down. Compare it to Keisha's situation when she
Speaker 1: has let's.
Speaker 3: Just be very clear, sex with the dog in the house,
Speaker 3: in the room.
Speaker 1: I really think we needed to clarify it.
Speaker 2: The next thing, there's a Daily Mail article and it's
Speaker 2: like Britney's updating us on sex with the dog.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yo, wouldn't surprise me, all right?
Speaker 2: Would you date someone with the same name as your
Speaker 2: sibling or dad? I previously dated a guy with the
Speaker 2: same name as my brother, and if that wasn't awkward enough,
Speaker 2: I met a guy on the weekend and we had
Speaker 2: an amazing time together. But I don't think I can
Speaker 2: take it any further simply because he has the same
Speaker 2: name as my dad. Is this robbing myself of my
Speaker 2: time with someone who could be a potential partner or
Speaker 2: is it too weird?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts? Would you date someone with the
Speaker 3: same name as your dad?
Speaker 1: Bro? If you are excluding people from your dating lineup
Speaker 1: because they have the same name as so in your family,
Speaker 1: that is crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, but picture this picture this. Imagine you're like, they're
Speaker 2: on top of you, they're deep inside you, and then
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, fuck me, Tony, I don't have.
Speaker 1: To imagine it. I've dated multiple people with my brother's name.
Speaker 4: This just screams to me that you don't have daddy
Speaker 4: issues in the way that I Also.
Speaker 1: It's someone's name. You guys are crazy if you've met
Speaker 1: the love of your life or someone that could be
Speaker 1: your partner and you don't date them because they have
Speaker 1: the same name. I have dated so my brother's name
Speaker 1: is a Mitch and Dane. I've dated three mitches. She
Speaker 1: got brother issues and had a huge Well, it's a
Speaker 1: very common name, guy, it's a very common name. And
Speaker 1: also had crushes on people with the name Dane in
Speaker 1: the past. I never dated a day did.
Speaker 2: Can I just say this, Dane is such a naughty
Speaker 2: boy name, like all Danes A naughty.
Speaker 1: He was naughty by Dane's very naughty.
Speaker 2: I've never met a Dane who's actually turned out to
Speaker 2: not be a naughty kid or like a naughty adult.
Speaker 1: They're always naughty. My brother, Dane's naughty. But I think
Speaker 1: this is dumb. I think it's hard enough to meet
Speaker 1: your person or somebody that you actually vibe and connect with,
Speaker 1: and if you're adding their name as a red flag
Speaker 1: to your list, then I think that that's ridiculous. You're
Speaker 1: shooting yourself in the foot. That's my opinion. I've done this,
Speaker 1: explains why, explains why? Wait?
Speaker 3: I think more context of this. Okay, I think it's different.
Speaker 2: She's like met him already and then she had a
Speaker 2: beautiful time fucking date your dad. It's fine, But if
Speaker 2: you were on Tinder and you haven't met them yet,
Speaker 2: you have no connection to them. They're just hot. And
Speaker 2: then Terry comes up. I'm not gonna click on Terry.
Speaker 2: All I can think of is my dad out in
Speaker 2: a fishing bow. I wouldn't click on Terry, but not
Speaker 2: because of the dad, true, it's just.
Speaker 3: What if he is really hot and his name's Terrence,
Speaker 3: this is oh god, it's my dad genuinely.
Speaker 4: I think I was on a dating app and my
Speaker 4: dad's name is Craig, and someone super attractive came up
Speaker 4: and I was like, he is a magical creature.
Speaker 3: Saw the name and I was like, noupe Keisha, this
Speaker 3: is Keisha.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm single anyone. Also, Keisha, don't
Speaker 1: like the name. Don't like the name.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that guy looks like he probably gets up
Speaker 2: at five am in the morning this.
Speaker 1: Morning about a date she went on, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you should have seen the shoes he wore, though, And
Speaker 1: I was like, Keisha, rate it in with he disciple shoes,
Speaker 1: which is the name.
Speaker 2: Unless he's wearing shoes that have like the toes in them,
Speaker 2: that's probably where you can draw a line with just.
Speaker 1: Weary balanced shoes.
Speaker 4: We're getting very off track, Akay. I want to know
Speaker 4: whether you'll date your dad. Apparently BRIT's fine with that.
Speaker 3: That is not the question.
Speaker 1: The question is not what you date your dad.
Speaker 3: The question is what you date.
Speaker 1: Someone that has the same name as someone in your family.
Speaker 1: And if you are ruling out these people, I personally,
Speaker 1: unless you absolutely detest or have a very traumatic association
Speaker 1: with that name, like It's crazy to me if you're
Speaker 1: ruling out people because they have a name similar to
Speaker 1: someone in your family. If it's deeper than that, I
Speaker 1: totally understand it. If every time you think of that
Speaker 1: name or say it, it triggers you, that is the
Speaker 1: only time I can understand it. But if you're just
Speaker 1: like an average go get a family, and you're ruling
Speaker 1: those people out, I mean, your own worst enemy is
Speaker 1: what I think. I mean.
Speaker 3: I do like how you've taken the questions so seriously.
Speaker 1: I am. I take this. I take my advice to
Speaker 1: you listeners very seriously. And I love love and I
Speaker 1: want you to all fall in love, and I don't
Speaker 1: want you to be excluding people because of their name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to be fair, I reckon your dad would
Speaker 2: have been hot when he was younger. He was hot, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: caring as well.
Speaker 1: My dad was like a lifeguard you've try athlete. He
Speaker 1: had long blonde tip. You probably still would sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So see, you have no problems with dating someone named Terry,
Speaker 2: I mean Tony, I.
Speaker 3: Have daddy issues.
Speaker 1: Sorry, what's your dad's name, Craig.
Speaker 3: We established that, so.
Speaker 1: You've not wouldn't dated Craig.
Speaker 2: No, there's not many thirty year olds walking around with
Speaker 2: the name Craig. Though my brother's name is Kai, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't date a Kai either. It's just too weird
Speaker 2: for me. Like to me, I'm like, there's just too
Speaker 2: much connection, Shase.
Speaker 1: So you're penguin waddles along and the name's Craig. You
Speaker 1: could not have written or put this creature together more
Speaker 1: perfectly for you. You would not date him because his
Speaker 1: name's Craig.
Speaker 3: Has he got a middle name? Could we get by that? Can?
Speaker 2: I like, I mean, here's a bit of self admission, Like,
Speaker 2: my father's name is Matt, and I'm married to a Matt.
Speaker 1: Well, then why are you taking the pin?
Speaker 2: Because I think my brother's real name's Matthias. But I
Speaker 2: don't look at Matt. And at no point was I like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's my brother's name. But if I
Speaker 2: did meet someone, because that's so common, Matt is the
Speaker 2: most common name. But if I did meet a guy
Speaker 2: named Terry and I was dating him, I think it
Speaker 2: depends on how old manish the name is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's I can't even have a conversation with
Speaker 1: you a lot. You're just contradicting yourselves. That has to
Speaker 1: do with their age, not their name. You just admit it.
Speaker 1: You just went against it, laughing, and then you're like, well,
Speaker 1: actually I am dating my process. No no, no, I know
Speaker 1: the prime exemple.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, you've misunderstood. I have no issue
Speaker 2: with brothers.
Speaker 3: It's dads. I have an issue with.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, look, the answer for me is
Speaker 1: to date the date who. Yes, date somebody with the
Speaker 1: name similar unless it's really going to triger you. But
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be triggering you because they share the same name.
Speaker 3: Let's get into the next question.
Speaker 1: Okay, last question. I am nineteen years of age and
Speaker 1: currently working childcare full time. My workplace is all female
Speaker 1: who the majority are mums. I work in the same
Speaker 1: room as this thirty seven year old who acts like
Speaker 1: she's in high school. She gossips, she bags and talkshit
Speaker 1: about other workers, and she loves to be overly overpowering
Speaker 1: in the workplace. Me being the overthinking person I am,
Speaker 1: I'm constantly worried she's talking shit and it's affecting my
Speaker 1: confidence in my ability at work. I feel so much
Speaker 1: toxicity in my workplace, but I can't financially take the
Speaker 1: risk and leave. What should I do?
Speaker 2: I mean, firstly, I would just be applying for other jobs.
Speaker 2: That would be what I would start, I think at nineteen,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is probably one of your first full time,
Speaker 2: like full time serious jobs and careers. I don't think
Speaker 2: you need to stay or work in a place where
Speaker 2: you feel like the culture is terrible and there's like
Speaker 2: crippling toxicity because I actually think that that's a culture
Speaker 2: that's too hard to change and unless you address the situation,
Speaker 2: which can be very challenging with your employer.
Speaker 3: You can go.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you can speak to a employer, you can explain
Speaker 2: to them what's happening with this woman. But to change
Speaker 2: that will take a lot of time. And is that
Speaker 2: going to change?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would say for me, I would probably start putting
Speaker 2: feelers out for other places to work, because you should
Speaker 2: never work in an environment where you feel that it
Speaker 2: is that toxic that you have anxiety about going to work.
Speaker 1: I agree, But what I'm going to say is not
Speaker 1: necessarily something I agree with, because I don't. But it's
Speaker 1: something that I've learned in my thirty five years and
Speaker 1: working in a lot of workplaces. I have left a
Speaker 1: workplace before. I quit because of workplace bullying, because of
Speaker 1: the toxic environment. And I'm a confident person in myself
Speaker 1: and my abilities, so no one just to put it
Speaker 1: out there, no one is necessarily exempt from feeling that way.
Speaker 1: So I don't want you to think that it's you
Speaker 1: at all, because it's not. I felt the environment was
Speaker 1: so bad. I always felt like I and other people
Speaker 1: were being judged. People would be in tears. It wasn't nice.
Speaker 1: And I told the boss when I left. She said,
Speaker 1: can I ask why you're leaving? You know, obviously it's
Speaker 1: sad to lose you, And I said, in complete honesty,
Speaker 1: it's the environment. There are some real bullies here and
Speaker 1: I don't like it, and I don't feel comfortable. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: don't think people ever grow out of it. I have
Speaker 1: friends in their fifties and sixties who have spoken to
Speaker 1: me not that long ago about the same thing, bullying
Speaker 1: and bitching in an environment, and I said to them,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I always just thought I needed
Speaker 1: a couple more years and to grow out of that.
Speaker 1: Like it gets to a point where you're an adult
Speaker 1: and you think that adults act like adults, but they don't,
Speaker 1: and one thing I did learn is that it doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily matter where you work or how old you are. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there are always going to be these kind of people
Speaker 1: in an environment. If it's pushing you to the point
Speaker 1: where you just you're beside yourself and you can't go
Speaker 1: to work one hundred percent, leave and find another environment
Speaker 1: because they're not all. When I say bitchiness, you don't
Speaker 1: grow out of it. That doesn't necessarily mean people constantly
Speaker 1: take it to work. But what I'm saying is it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily something where you're like, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: work with people that are in their fifties because they're
Speaker 1: going to be better. They probably will be better in
Speaker 1: a big capacity. But I think it's something that we
Speaker 1: have to accept in ourselves sometimes that I'm not going
Speaker 1: to let somebody else make me feel uncomfortable. I know
Speaker 1: my worth, I know what I do, I know what
Speaker 1: I bring to the job, and it's easier said than
Speaker 1: done to internalize that and say I'm just going to
Speaker 1: put my head down and do it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's the answer. I'm just saying there does come a
Speaker 1: time where you have to accept that some people are
Speaker 1: always going to be those people. Some people are never
Speaker 1: going to outgrow that bitchiness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I agree that there are people who are
Speaker 2: never going to outgrow the bitchiness.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree.
Speaker 2: But I do think it comes down to the culture
Speaker 2: in a workplace, and it also comes down to who
Speaker 2: is in senior management in that place. Is this person
Speaker 2: who works in this childcare center, being that she's thirty seven,
Speaker 2: has she been there for a lot longer? Is she
Speaker 2: the director of the childcare center? Is she the manager
Speaker 2: of the room. The problem is is that, of course
Speaker 2: in workplaces, these things shouldn't exist, but they do exist
Speaker 2: in some places, and it is really, really fucking hard,
Speaker 2: especially when you're at the bottom of the rank. When
Speaker 2: you're at the bottom of the rank, you can't change
Speaker 2: the culture of a company. You can't change the culture
Speaker 2: of your employment. It has to come from the top down,
Speaker 2: so you can make them aware of it, but your
Speaker 2: ability to change it is very, very small. And I think,
Speaker 2: and I speak of this from my own experience. When
Speaker 2: I worked before I started my own businesses, I worked
Speaker 2: for a company.
Speaker 3: It was a printing company in Epping.
Speaker 2: I worked for them for quite a long time and
Speaker 2: it was horrendously toxic, and because it was my very
Speaker 2: first real experience of employment outside of university, I thought
Speaker 2: that that was kind of normal and that I had
Speaker 2: to just GrITT and bear it. And I did gritten
Speaker 2: bear it for two years and then I quit and
Speaker 2: I eventually started working somewhere else, and it was almost
Speaker 2: like someone had turned the fucking lights on. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is what it is to work
Speaker 2: in a company who appreciates me and doesn't treat me
Speaker 2: as though like they're doing me a favor by employing me.
Speaker 2: So I really do think that if you're going to
Speaker 2: work and it's causing you constant anxiety, nobody is paying
Speaker 2: you enough for that. Like that there is no job
Speaker 2: that's giving you. I mean maybe if it's millions and
Speaker 2: millions of dollars, but I'm going to guess that if
Speaker 2: you're working in childcare, you're not making that much money
Speaker 2: in comparison to the amount of stress that it's causing you,
Speaker 2: and so you shouldn't be taking that home. You shouldn't
Speaker 2: be worried about coming to work and working alongside these people.
Speaker 2: So I would say, if you feel confident enough, the
Speaker 2: first thing is to speak to someone who maybe is
Speaker 2: in a HR position, but if it's a very small business,
Speaker 2: it may not even have a HR position. So I
Speaker 2: think sometimes the best thing to do is start to
Speaker 2: look at what other opportunities exist.
Speaker 4: I think also in those situations when you're talking about
Speaker 4: someone's behavior at work, especially with something that's like a bitchy,
Speaker 4: toxic vibe, it's so hard to put into words because
Speaker 4: a lot of the time it's like, oh, it's the
Speaker 4: way she said it. It's not like she's turning up
Speaker 4: to work late or going home early, or like treating
Speaker 4: a kid bad in the daycare center. So if you're
Speaker 4: going to someone in a position of management or whatever
Speaker 4: and being like I just think she's a bit of
Speaker 4: a cow. She speaks badly about people, they're going to
Speaker 4: be like, well, what are some examples of this. It's
Speaker 4: actually something that's quite hard to say because a lot
Speaker 4: of it is implication.
Speaker 3: You know, in those situations, otherwise you just sound.
Speaker 4: Like you're complaining about these very menial things, but when
Speaker 4: they're happening to you every day, they really add up.
Speaker 4: And the only thing that I would gives advice, like
Speaker 4: whether you're able to get another job or not.
Speaker 3: I think that with.
Speaker 4: People like that in the workplace, the most that you
Speaker 4: can distance yourself personally from them.
Speaker 3: So all of your conversation, just keep it.
Speaker 4: Very professional about work because the less they know about
Speaker 4: you and the less they know about your personal life,
Speaker 4: the less they can use against you.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the same thing. Bullying and being
Speaker 1: on com an environment is subjective, right, It's different for everyone,
Speaker 1: And like you to say, Keisha sometimes and sometimes for
Speaker 1: me in the past, it's been nothing I can put
Speaker 1: my finger on. It's the way someone looks at you.
Speaker 1: It's a look, and what are you gonna You can't
Speaker 1: go and say, oh, I just like that looked at
Speaker 1: me funny today. So it's been at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's what makes you feel uncomfortable if you
Speaker 1: know that she's talking inappropriately about other people. Even if
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna leave one hundred percent and go
Speaker 1: and tell the boss. There is a manager at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, even if there's three people that
Speaker 1: work there, there's a manager. There is someone you can
Speaker 1: go and tell, Go and tell them that you're uncomfortable
Speaker 1: by what they're saying. It is their job to then
Speaker 1: go and speak to that person and they do not
Speaker 1: have to say there is a level of anonymity. They
Speaker 1: do not have to go and say Sarah came and
Speaker 1: said you've been talking badly. They're not going to do that.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say, look, there's been a complaint that you've
Speaker 1: been saying. It's been appropriate things. I think you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be forced out yet. There are steps to take.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 1: I would make an official complaint that you are uncomfortable
Speaker 1: by things that they're saying. If it doesn't get better,
Speaker 1: of course, look for something different. No one goes to
Speaker 1: work and feels uncomfortable. You do what is right for
Speaker 1: you at the end of the day. But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go in. I mean, like, and I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: in today's economy, you can't. Unfortunately, not many people are
Speaker 1: in a position whether they can go and quit without
Speaker 1: another job. So put your feelers out now, start having
Speaker 1: a look because you want to go and you want
Speaker 1: to be comfortable in your environment. But do not leave.
Speaker 1: I mean this is just me. Do not leave without
Speaker 1: telling them why, because otherwise we don't break the cycle,
Speaker 1: do we. The next person, The next young girl that's
Speaker 1: nineteen and fresh out of UNI or school comes in
Speaker 1: and the same thing happens. So even if you did
Speaker 1: what I did, where I never made an official complaint.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to find another job, but I
Speaker 1: one hundred percent told them the honor's true as why
Speaker 1: I was leaving, because I wanted that to be known.
Speaker 1: All right.
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