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Speaker 1: Matt good Day, probably wondering why we're here, and I

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Speaker 1: have a burning question for you, my guy, are you

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, Maybe I don't know, Ash. Depends depends what time

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Speaker 3: of day you ask me.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're here today with a bonus episode, a boner

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Speaker 1: with a booner with a bonus episode with Lara Pitt,

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Speaker 1: who happens to have.

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Speaker 2: Three children.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this will convince you either way. But I think

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Speaker 1: one more child would kill.

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Speaker 3: Us, kill us all. Lara Pitt good friend of yours.

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Speaker 1: Ash, good good friend of mine. I was actually at

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Speaker 1: the football not with Lara for the State of Origin,

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Speaker 1: with us with my brother in law, and Lara Pitt

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Speaker 1: walked into the isle in front of me with a

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Speaker 3: And she was at working notes.

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Speaker 2: She was enjoying.

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Speaker 3: She was there with Lachlan Cooper Hamish.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and her husband. And the guy next to me,

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Speaker 1: who I did not know, was pumped to see her.

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Speaker 2: She was like, Oh my god, this's like told he's kid.

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Speaker 2: There's Lara Pitt.

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Speaker 3: She's a fan favorite.

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Speaker 1: She is a Fox journal and commentator and that's where

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Speaker 3: She's also been fortunate enough to be interviewed by the

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Speaker 1: That's the third time, fourth time being interviewed actually by me.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, it's funny. She sat down and she's like, where

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Speaker 1: I was like no, and she's like I expected nothing less.

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Speaker 3: Also a family friend of ours, her kid plays football

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Speaker 1: Oh, she's a small world in my plays football with

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Speaker 3: Actually I knew Lara's husband in her previous life back in.

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Speaker 2: The day and halfway through.

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Speaker 1: This don't give it away as we do how that

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Speaker 2: Is red again.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.

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Speaker 3: I'm Mattie Jay, I'm Ash and.

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Speaker 5: I'm Fox Leagues Lara Pitch more famous as Mama or

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Speaker 5: Darles at Home.

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Speaker 3: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,

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Speaker 3: it is the bad, and the relatable And if you've

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Speaker 3: come for any advice, Ash and I will never ever

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Speaker 3: deliver it never, I guess seem to though good, no pressure, No,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to hopefully be able to deliver some nuggets

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Speaker 6: of gold.

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Speaker 3: I agree nuggets.

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Speaker 2: Specifically.

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Speaker 3: Thank you normally whenever we see the last few times.

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Speaker 3: For me it was Vegas. Ye, we're dressed as Dad's normally,

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Speaker 5: It was pretty good, Yes, you were pretty good, better

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Speaker 6: I think Vegas was a longer stint.

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Speaker 2: I feel like in Vegas we were just like.

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Speaker 5: Splitting it there right, you're splitting it in Vegas you

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Speaker 6: So he had to do all the It.

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Speaker 5: This professional not in the sheds for manly singing. The

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Speaker 5: The cuddles, like big cuddles after that game, like, guys,

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Speaker 2: Got to be the greatest day of my life.

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Speaker 3: It started off with shakes that would take a handshake

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lara, when you were a young girl.

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Speaker 3: I can't decide if you were someone who liked Barbie

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Speaker 6: Were just like what.

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Speaker 6: Oh this is awful. Why am I talking about this anyway?

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Speaker 2: It was this was actually the whole show.

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Speaker 6: There was an awkward part in the teenage.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we're going through those dance parties and having a

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Speaker 6: I promise. It has been told to me many a time.

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Speaker 6: By then they'd left the nest, so I was almost

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Speaker 5: I think my dad was like absolutely not that thing.

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Speaker 6: My brother stole my parents' car once and the famous story.

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Speaker 5: And I went, Johnny did it? And my brother told

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 5: So my dad is European Hungarian, came here fresh off

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Speaker 5: Came here with nothing. No, his mom stayed back in

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Speaker 6: He wanted to escape because it was a communist country.

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Speaker 6: He came here self made, but yeah, the journey was hard.

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Speaker 5: He had to learn English and get a degree and

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Speaker 6: Our version in Australia.

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Speaker 6: Right like I didn't know what I was going for.

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Speaker 5: So I think, you know, I always loved sport. I

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Speaker 3: So your dad do you think planted the seed?

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Speaker 6: What do I want to do? I loved writing.

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Speaker 1: It's also, like you always hear that story. Its like

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Speaker 3: Notmin It was always going to be journalism within sports.

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Speaker 6: So that tells you how old I am now twelve

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's because, of course there's a natural

451
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 5: thing to say, Oh, there wasn't a place for women.

452
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 5: There would have been people, and I probably just didn't

453
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 5: want to give them airtime. In my own head, that thought,

454
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 5: oh what place does a woman have? I had my

455
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,959
Speaker 5: sight set on doing it and that was just going

456
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 5: to be me. I'm going to try my hardest and

457
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 5: prove my worth and show that I have the credentials.

458
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 5: But I think if you focus on those people too.

459
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 6: Much, you're not going to get there.

460
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 5: But ultimately it had to change because if you want

461
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 5: to reflect the fan base and reflect where society's at,

462
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 5: it was just going to be a natural passage of time.

463
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 5: And there was a lot of women already doing media

464
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 5: coverage in the papers, in radio. They just hadn't conquered

465
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 5: the TV.

466
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: But on your boys and the husband, can we go

467
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: back to how you met your husband?

468
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 6: Have you had any recent on this?

469
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: Maybe? Maybe not?

470
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: You telling we've been speaking to Anthony during the weeks,

471
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: giving us a lot of information.

472
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 5: Can I can I introduce Anthony with something? Oh so,

473
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be a journalist if I didn't bring something.

474
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: You are prepared just for those listings.

475
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 6: Remember what I said to you when we met you

476
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 6: in Vegas?

477
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: Do you know who is.

478
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 5: Can you recognize that for people on the podcast. Laras

479
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 5: just revealed a beautiful modeling image.

480
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 2: This is Matthew Johnson. No tea, Matthew Johnson.

481
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 6: You can take it out. There's actually a second one

482
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 6: that I think is a little even the same. It's

483
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 6: the same photo. But what's happening with.

484
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 5: Just to explain, this is my husband's business, the Academy brand,

485
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 5: and back in the day when the business first started,

486
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 5: Maddie was one of the very first models.

487
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 6: And when you approached me in Vegas.

488
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 5: I was like, Maddie the model and Maddie wasn't that I.

489
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Forgot about that whole conversation when we were interviewing you.

490
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 6: You're about to interview me the Maddie.

491
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 5: You probably don't know me or remember me, but you

492
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 5: were one of my husband's very first models for his

493
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 5: floating business.

494
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: You've got a little Reese Maston about you, the.

495
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 5: Long hair into the ruins that catal the campaign into

496
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 5: the ruins. I'm just like, because there's something you can.

497
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Speaker 2: Do with that, very good.

498
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 6: I love you had to bring.

499
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 5: Something to get you on because it's not all about me,

500
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 5: it's you guys.

501
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: Thank you.

502
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we'll make sure this is onus. Thank you

503
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: for that.

504
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: I've got some old photos of many j that I've

505
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: got stored away that I've done some deep diving onto,

506
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: and you've just added to it, add to that your husband.

507
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Avian, I I think you've called child sweet arts.

508
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: We meant we met after school, but it's a long

509
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 5: time ago, so I feel like we're almost child with sweethearts.

510
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 5: But we have a great story. We tell the kids that,

511
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 5: of course he liked me, I didn't like him. He

512
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 5: wore a brown leather jacket when I first met him.

513
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 8: Therefore, and yeah he looked like a creep, so like him,

514
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 8: and the kids like that.

515
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 6: You know, that's the story.

516
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 5: You know, Mum liked dad, Dad, No, Dad like Mummum

517
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: didn't like dad.

518
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: Is that true?

519
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: Though?

520
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 6: It is true? I liked like I liked There was

521
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 6: a spark there for sure. He was funny. Is funny?

522
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: What was holding you back?

523
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Fashion sense?

524
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 6: Definitely?

525
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 5: Seriously seriously but he will laugh at this. He was

526
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 5: super confident. He is super confident. He wore clothes like

527
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: no one else would wear them. He was very fashion

528
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 5: forward and he was a trailblazer. He was and but

529
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 5: also like the most affable, easygoing, confident guy, and I

530
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 5: think purely he was interested in me made me not

531
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: interested in.

532
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 6: Him because I'm so young.

533
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 5: And he kept asking me for coffee and I was like, coffee,

534
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 5: you were nineteen.

535
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: Give me a goon bag and I'll be the good fortune.

536
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 5: Ultimately, a year later, he stopped being interested and went

537
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: on a trip to Greece with his mates, and I went, oh,

538
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 5: come back, and he did come back, and he looked

539
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: hot because he was brown and amazing, and suddenly I

540
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 5: liked him. And I think I sent a really awkward

541
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 5: text message, but reading through the lines, he was like, Okay,

542
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 5: she likes me and I don't.

543
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: Want to say it.

544
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, yeah, let's go.

545
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: Now this is a terrible like for anyone who's single

546
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: and going, how can I get that guy?

547
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: Do it?

548
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: Just write this message?

549
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 6: I just know I don't want to come on. I

550
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 6: think it's not a big deal. It's over.

551
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 5: I think I just said something like my other tables.

552
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 5: See this is the oversharing.

553
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 6: I did not want to do anyway, but that was

554
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 6: all and then I turned.

555
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: I did.

556
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 5: I turned it off for like a day.

557
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 6: I was on a shift.

558
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 5: I used to work at a bar, and I sent

559
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 5: it and went on shift turned it off, and I

560
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 5: was so frightened because I just put it all out there,

561
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 5: like that's all I said.

562
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: But that was it, and then.

563
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 6: I didn't Yeah that's so bad. It worked, that was it?

564
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 5: So yeah that and it was pretty like straight up

565
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 5: serious from then on, Like I went traveling after UNI

566
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 5: and we were apart for that time, but pretty.

567
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 6: Much after that we've been together since we were really young.

568
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 6: And yeah, got married.

569
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 5: I did make him wait for everything though, like I

570
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: was not ready to get married and we got married.

571
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 5: Then I wasn't ready to have kids, you know, I

572
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 5: was happy with you know, I wanted to career.

573
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 6: I was very career driven.

574
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: And there was Anthony pushing kids. Initially I was too.

575
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 5: Like I wanted always wanted a family, but it got

576
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 5: to the point where he's like, Okay, what's happening with that?

577
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 5: And also over involved hungarian father, what's happening with that?

578
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 6: Love your dad?

579
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: But I think mostly when people then pushed me in

580
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 5: one direction, I would always go the other way. So

581
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 5: I think I was like, well, it's about when I'm ready,

582
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 5: it's not about when everyone else is ready.

583
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: So then when do you figure out when the right

584
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: time is then with your career.

585
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there wasn't probably ever going to be

586
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 5: a right time. You just needed to be ready to

587
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 5: take a break and also if you can time it

588
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: in the off season, which worked well with the first two.

589
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 5: The third it was by then I was like, whatever

590
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 5: happens happened. So we had Lockie he's nine now, and

591
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 5: then Cooper he was two years just under two years later,

592
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: and then Hamish was a COVID baby, and yeah, he's

593
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: he's the best. I mean they're all the best, but

594
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 5: you know, the third's always the big one. Are you

595
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: going to do the third? And absolutely no regrets. He's

596
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 5: a firecracker and hilarious and complex family.

597
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: How old now?

598
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 6: Four?

599
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: Four? Okay, yeah, so you've got nine seven seven four?

600
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: Yeah?

601
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: Three?

602
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: How three boys? I think I asked this question and

603
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: think about Laura, who was someone who really struggles to

604
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: stop working every second of the day, whether it be

605
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: during the evening, weekend, it's no difference. She's always working.

606
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: And I imagine that you're cut from the same cloth.

607
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: So when you're having to take time off to have

608
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: the baby, how did you deal with that?

609
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: I found it hard. I didn't want to have like

610
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: a year off. That was just how I was. I

611
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: probably think back on it now and I probably would

612
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: say that I should have had more of a break.

613
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 6: We always do that to ourselves.

614
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 5: Though, and also knowing who he is now, Oh, I

615
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: think he probably could have done with me being one

616
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 5: hundred percent committed to being home twenty four to seven.

617
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: My husband will hate that I'm blaming myself for anything,

618
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 5: and I'm not, but I just think, you know, you

619
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: always think as a parent how you could do things differently,

620
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: but I wasn't. I wasn't gone seven days or anything

621
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 5: when I had him in January. I think the season

622
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: started in March obviously, and I was initially only doing

623
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 5: like one and a half days a week, so you know,

624
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 5: that's not I don't think a lot. I may have

625
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 5: mentally been checked out more than if I was at

626
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 5: home full time. Then with Cooper, he was born in November,

627
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 5: so I had from November to March off.

628
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 6: Still doesn't sound like a long time.

629
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I picked my like my wife had both twelve months

630
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: since off for both of that years, and like that's

631
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: fairly common, like six to twelve months, but to go

632
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: back after if you break that down into weeks. It's

633
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: not that much like you're I mean, my sister went

634
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: back to work ten weeks after because she's a business owner,

635
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: so and I could see how disheveled she was, how

636
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: how it didn't benefit her or so I can imagine

637
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: it's you wanted to go back to work, then it

638
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: must be really hard thinking is this the right or

639
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: the wrong decision?

640
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: I also think you go, there's got to be a

641
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 5: part of you that goes well. I don't want to

642
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 5: lose where I was. And that's not no pressure from work,

643
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: because Fox have been absolutely amazing and supportive. It's it's

644
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 5: just internal where you go. Of course, I want to

645
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: keep doing what I was doing, and if I'm out

646
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 5: of sight, I'm out of mind, and maybe I won't

647
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 5: come back to the same job. And again that's all

648
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: self inflicted.

649
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: You don't want to.

650
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: You think, oh, I don't want to miss an opportunity

651
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: as well, like you never know, things can happen, things

652
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: can change all the time, and you think, Okay, if.

653
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm not there, then someone else is going to get

654
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: the opportunity.

655
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: And I know that.

656
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 5: Of course, the baby stage and the newborn stage, you

657
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 5: should absolutely be there for every single moment if you can.

658
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: But I actually will say it gets harder. Like the

659
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: older they get, the more they need you. I know

660
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 5: that a newborn needs you a hunt, but right now,

661
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: like just pure logistics, three of them right now, it's

662
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 5: and the emotional stuff it continues and other challenges as

663
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: they get over.

664
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

665
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: If I'm with babies, you're like, okay, it needs to

666
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: be fed, needs to be changed, needs to sleep, we

667
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: need to get that into a routine. But as they

668
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 1: get older, it's like they need to be they need

669
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: to be fed, we need to put them to bed,

670
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: need to have them a bath, to make sure that

671
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: they're emotionally okay, physically okay, yeah, they're learning, they're you know,

672
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: they're they're behaving there that you know, there's so much

673
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: more to it does get harder. I can't imagine, you know,

674
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: nine and seven, I'm like, oh.

675
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 6: Definitely, yeah, just different challenges though.

676
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: I think every time we go, I mean I have

677
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: my I have a number of mum friends and my

678
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 5: two closest girlfriends who will often have conversations and it's

679
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 5: like what's the latest stuff, Like after school drop off,

680
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: there's something to talk about.

681
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 6: Nearly every day about what's happened that morning.

682
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: It's pretty much podcast.

683
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened to you today was the biggest meltdown

684
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: in your house or so?

685
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, then how do you manage that with Anthony? I

686
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: think it's always the biggest unknown with couples going into

687
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: having kids is how you share the responsibilities. Some men

688
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: are great, others require a bit more work. I initially

689
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: was a bit shit.

690
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: And I heard you dance around. Some need a little

691
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: bit more work, some of hopeless. Yeah that's better.

692
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 6: It depends what your dynamic is that right? Like somehow

693
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 6: how was.

694
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: Your dynamic with Anthony pre kids and then having kids?

695
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 5: I think he knew that he was going to what

696
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: was in for well, yeah, I think he knew he

697
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 5: was going to be hands on. That was who he was.

698
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: That's who I fell in love with. I think a

699
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 5: very family oriented person who loved children. And also he

700
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: knew I had a job and work, so it was

701
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 5: going to be a juggle. I don't think we completely

702
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: knew at all how it was going to feel a

703
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: look but uh, I often joke that he's the better

704
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 5: half of our half. Don't know how you sit on

705
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: your relationship, but he's like the funny guy, the outgoing guy,

706
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 5: can handle everything.

707
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 6: I'm like the frazzled person. A lot going on with you.

708
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: Probably our wives will disagree.

709
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 6: Are you the better half of your half?

710
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

711
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 6: I'm happy to give him arout. Yeah.

712
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 5: No, he's a really hands on dad. I feel like

713
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: this is my moment to give him credit because he

714
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 5: doesn't get it often enough. At home, he is very invested,

715
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 5: and the reason why it doesn't get enough credit is

716
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: because I feel that he should be and he's married

717
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: someone that wants that and wants that for the children

718
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: and for him to be hands on. I think the

719
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 5: part that is still a huge struggle. I don't know

720
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 5: if it's the same for your partners, but the women

721
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 5: in my mind still carry a lot of the mental load.

722
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: So and then he's hugely hands on, like in every

723
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: physical aspect with the boy's connect it in and gets

724
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 5: them everywhere, But in terms of logistics and needing to

725
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 5: know where they're going, what uniform, what permission slip, whose birthday,

726
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 5: who's getting the present, whose social diary is doing what like,

727
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 5: that's still a part that in my in my opinion,

728
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 5: the mum usually he's across all those extra details so that's.

729
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Exactly like my dynamic Abril. I wouldn't know where we're

730
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: going tomorrow, yeah, but she does. I'll just get us there.

731
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

732
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like Saturday, well this week, any weekend, I'm

733
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 5: usually on the road for footy, so I'll still we'll

734
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 5: still have to have those conversations about the logistics and

735
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 5: what's happening and where we got you know, and you know,

736
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 5: and that's totally fine, but there's that like that the

737
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: mouse on the wheel, like constantly thinking about what's the

738
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 5: next thing.

739
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: I think a lot of moms listening will probably want

740
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: to know how do they get their husband to be

741
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: more like Anthony? Did you have to did you have

742
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: to train him to be? Like what's that program looking like?

743
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 6: Can you give a shout out to my mother in law?

744
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: Or do that's just the way that he was?

745
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think so that's the I think that's the

746
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 6: way he was dynamic.

747
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: So few of us, there is so few of us.

748
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 5: He wants to be hands on. He wants me well,

749
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: but you know, like there's always a bit of training.

750
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: When we first moved in together, he needed a few

751
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: kicks up the pick up your towel please, I'm not

752
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 5: on the bed, the garbage out. That's your job, not

753
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: doing that. I'll do a lot of the jobs. He

754
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 5: still doesn't, you know what, I've painted him to be

755
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 5: perfect washing he doesn't like, do you do loads of

756
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 5: washing and drying and hanging out and stuff. That's one

757
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 5: thing he still doesn't. So sorry, he's not perfect. There's

758
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: plenty I can you want me to just some dirt.

759
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 6: I got some.

760
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: We we do because there's a lot of petty stories

761
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: that come out of it, like, oh, wash my stuff

762
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: and not apriles if she has annoyed me, Matt hangoutt Matt, was.

763
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: It you hang out your stuff only? We definitely both

764
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: do laundry April, that's true. It is easy.

765
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: You need to come and chat to him, because that's

766
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 5: far that we still haven't conquered. He finds that too hard.

767
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: Lau is within your control, I find and if it's

768
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: within your control, you can manage it.

769
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: I would rather do laundry than feed a toddler.

770
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, he does all the he's good with that, cooking,

771
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 6: feeding and all of that.

772
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's fine. You got to pick your battles.

773
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: Like some of the things. I'm like, Okay, that's in

774
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 5: my lane. But recycling garbage all that, I don't care

775
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 5: if it's overflowing.

776
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: That is your job, does it? How is it for you? Then?

777
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 3: As a as a mum speaking to other mums where

778
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: your dynamic is quite different to the norm, do you

779
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: have that internalized mum guilt.

780
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 5: About the dynamic of Anthony and I or working mum.

781
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 3: I guess you're if you're comparing kind of war stories

782
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: as a parent and your stories are a bit different because

783
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: you weren't running to the football on the weekend for

784
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: your boys. You were working on the weekend.

785
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think there's a balance, right.

786
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: So I've also got my work down pat where part

787
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: of the weekend I'm available, so I make sure that

788
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: I'm not completely missing because that would be the worst.

789
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: That's when the mum gelt would one hundred percent takeover.

790
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 5: So some days I'm off, I've made sure that that's

791
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 5: a day that I can be there.

792
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 6: For that's when they play rugby league, so it's quite

793
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 6: a good day to have off.

794
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think all my mum friends have a

795
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 5: different dynamic at home. Some of them are working moms,

796
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: some of them are full time stay at home moms.

797
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 6: But we've all got issues going on, and we all

798
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 6: relate on that.

799
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 5: Like everyone has got stuff on their plate trying to

800
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: navigate problems with the kids or dramas or school issues, social,

801
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 5: So it's it doesn't matter what your dynamic is. Yeah,

802
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 5: I don't feel I don't feel like it's any different.

803
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 5: I think, you know, of course, like my work takes

804
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 5: me away from stuff.

805
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 3: So how do you deal with those situations where there

806
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: is an event when they be daycare or yeah that's school.

807
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, like Saturday, all the mum's caught up for lunch.

808
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: I miss the mom's lunch, you know, like just a

809
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: bit of social time with the mums. Yeah, I find

810
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: that I'm just going to miss out on things. But

811
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 5: that's pretty much the way it is from February to October.

812
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 5: And then you know, my summers are pretty good and

813
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 5: I can hopefully squish in as much quality time.

814
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: It's like, mom, enough, are you?

815
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean when they are teenagers they'll probably be a

816
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: bit more like that, But now, I mean, especially with boys,

817
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: like I have one boy. He is mummy's little boy. Yes,

818
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I can imagine having three mummies little boys. April is

819
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: the default parent as we jo. It's a lot and

820
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: they must hang off.

821
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: Here as well when you're around.

822
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 6: So is your boy like, how would you describe his demeanor?

823
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 6: Is he alpha?

824
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: Is he he's scared of his own shadow? Yeah, but

825
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: he you know, he can be quite strong willed, but

826
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the time he's he's shy.

827
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: But at the same time.

828
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: He is, Well, you're trying to kidnap him, long star.

829
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 6: It's a long start because you are clearly enamored with him, to.

830
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 3: Down with him by growing down. I tried to drag

831
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: him into a room.

832
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: A hotel room on a boat, and he.

833
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: Didn't go down. Well, he is I'd say he is

834
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 3: an introvert. He plays like the way that he plays.

835
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: He was like, I feel like he would in the pool,

836
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: for example, he'd be trying to flip in the pool.

837
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: And he loves that rough play.

838
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah he does, but he's he's quite timid as well.

839
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 5: So come to my house and see seriously, like every

840
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 5: day is just like pick your own adventure. This morning

841
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 5: husband got up, Anthony went to play golf this morning. Actually,

842
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 5: So whether you want to give that a tick or

843
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: a cross, I don't know.

844
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: Condoned golf. So the mother's out there.

845
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a long hobby to have.

846
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: Anyway, I feel like that's.

847
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 6: Anyway.

848
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 5: The point is he went to golf. So I got

849
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: up a six thirty, jumped in the shower. The three

850
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 5: of them were in my room. I was like, hey,

851
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 5: your close are there, go start getting ready. All I

852
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 5: hear is can you smell.

853
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 6: My you know? And I'm like, oh fuck. And then

854
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 6: there's just it.

855
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 5: You know, someone's ends up punching someone because they've just

856
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: started rumbling and it's physical.

857
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: It only stops when someone gets hurt.

858
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 6: Yes, it's.

859
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, we know how to wind ourselves back down again.

860
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: We're just winding ourselves up for the day.

861
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: So you had many trips to the emergency room.

862
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: Do you know what, We've been super lucky, Absolutely remarkably lucky.

863
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 5: I don't know how we've avoided it. But every day

864
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: is like flirting with that for sure. I'm not joking.

865
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: Every every toy can be a weapon, Every door can

866
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 5: become a finger for issue. You know, my son's just

867
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 5: stairs in your house, stairs falling downstairs.

868
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 6: They're bouncy and they the kids.

869
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 5: Are stairs, like imagine when when you see them falling over,

870
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, my god, I'd be my back would.

871
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: Be out down the stairs out for a month.

872
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 6: You would have snapped up. They know, they just bounced back.

873
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: We haven't had a lot of we haven't got any

874
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 5: dramatic trips that which would touchwood.

875
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: But yeah, just constant battle.

876
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 5: Like in the morning they get out of the car

877
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 5: and I'm like, how did it like assaulted my senses

878
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 5: for the.

879
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 6: Hour that they were after they woke up.

880
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think talking about boys, initially you have

881
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: them and the baby and they're.

882
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: Like you know that.

883
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 5: But then they become these little crazy people and and

884
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: that's when I had to start reading and sort of

885
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: getting informed about why they're so different to girls. And

886
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: I know that that sounds ridiculous. I feel silly even

887
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 5: saying it.

888
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: But we get a lot of people who asked that question,

889
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: how do you pairent boys and girls differently?

890
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

891
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: So do you know Maggie Dent? Have you heard of

892
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 5: Maggie Dent? She's a not read her mothering.

893
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: She's a big fan of her work.

894
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I've brought the book so you can read. Yeah,

895
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 6: I've got for all this stuff. I know, I love, love.

896
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 5: Brought stuff mothering our boys it's it just explains the

897
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 5: dynamic and how different boys are to girls in me.

898
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 6: So there's rooster boy or a lamb.

899
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: Boy, right, it's so confused.

900
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: So a rooster boys very alpha, very like in your face.

901
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 5: That's why I asked you your son might be a

902
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 5: mix of both. When a lamb is traditionally like a

903
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: sort of I wouldn't say soft in a negative way,

904
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 5: but like a calmer maybe would be found doing puzzles,

905
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 5: reading books, being calm.

906
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 6: And then my boys are like three roosters.

907
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 5: So the dynamic of understanding they need and they have energy,

908
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 5: they need X, Y and Z. Have a ball in

909
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 5: the boot all the time. Take them to the park

910
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: to kick. If they're off the charts, it's usually an

911
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: emotional reason for that. If they're not listening to you,

912
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 5: it's not because they're being rude, it's often because they

913
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 5: can't hear you, and.

914
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: You're like, what, like, I just don't do that, my chiller.

915
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: And they listen and they're emotionally connected differently girls to boys,

916
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 5: And I don't want boys to feel different, but I

917
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 5: think they have different needs.

918
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 6: At a younger age to girls.

919
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 5: Like boys can come across as being naughty or needing

920
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 5: to be toughened up, whereas you would never say that

921
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: to a girl tough enough. So anyway, her book's fascinating,

922
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 5: Like she has a chapter called I think food, fun

923
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 5: and farts like boys seriously, Like clearly you still feel

924
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 5: that way.

925
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 6: Boys like that and little boys like that.

926
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 5: Like if there's an opportunity to break the craziness with

927
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: some humor or silliness or silly songs or yeah, toilet humor,

928
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 5: anything like that, that's what they love. You be cushions.

929
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: Like when you found out you were having a third boy.

930
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 6: I didn't know what I was having. Each time was surprise.

931
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: Time was your reaction? Do you remember when you.

932
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 6: Just like I knew it, Like I just knew it.

933
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, really, yeah knew it.

934
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: I just yeah that you understood how boys operation you.

935
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: Probably, yeah, I would love to have known what it

936
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 5: would be like to have a daughter. The dynamic would

937
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 5: be different in the house for sure. I mean, who knows,

938
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 5: I could have had it like a really dominant alpha

939
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 5: girl as well. But I think we have a niece

940
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 5: who comes over a lot, who's the same age as

941
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 5: my eldest, and I call her the calming goat, like

942
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: she could come over whenever she was.

943
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 6: Can the calming goat please come over and sleep?

944
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 5: Because she's just she walks in and she's chill, and

945
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 5: the boys come to her level and when.

946
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 6: She's not there, I'm like, a.

947
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 5: She just relaxes them and they get mesmerized by her.

948
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: Out of the three, who's the naughtiest?

949
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

950
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 6: So hard? It depends what day.

951
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: Change the bat.

952
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: Together in the morning, Ye're up. You want a good performance.

953
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 6: I want to see mom lose it because of.

954
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: That.

955
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: She swears ten point Yeah.

956
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 6: I'm like, don't swear.

957
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 5: And I've got like, I've tried some all sorts of

958
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 5: things to stop them from being naughty. And then they're like,

959
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 5: but you're doing it.

960
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, got on a technique. What's the naughtiest thing that

961
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: they've done?

962
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 6: My gosh, what's the naughtiest thing?

963
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: What springs to mind?

964
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: Oh?

965
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 6: My gosh.

966
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 5: I mean they got into a rock fight with the

967
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: neighbors once tell us about that, and the neighbor's kid

968
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 5: threw a rock and it smashed the pool fence.

969
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 6: That was awesome. I was at a game and get

970
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 6: the call.

971
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 5: From Oh, the neighbors just smash them, And you know,

972
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, who started it? He's like, I don't know,

973
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: just like who thinks it's a good idea to start

974
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 5: throwing rocks like this size over the fence at each other?

975
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: These type of stories that I always thought I wanted boys,

976
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: and I hear that, I'm like, thank goodness, I've got

977
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: two girls.

978
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

979
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: I do want to know though, because we always have

980
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: myself and Laura the talk of the third third. Be honest, yeah,

981
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: be honest with me. Here do you regret having Hamish?

982
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 5: I will not be the person that comes on your

983
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 5: podcast and says, don't have three children.

984
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 6: I will say, go for it. I will also tell you.

985
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 5: I will tell you that a lot of people did

986
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 5: say don't before we had three, Like people are quite

987
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 5: happy to tell you that have three.

988
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 6: Don't do it.

989
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: Yeah they've got three, and they're going you're out numbered,

990
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 5: and they would.

991
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 6: Further down the track.

992
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 5: So I should have probably taken on board. But again,

993
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 5: you tell me to do something, I usually do the opposite.

994
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: So that was the hardest phase.

995
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 5: Now when when probably now yeah, baby stage, he was

996
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: the best blessing. Like we had him in COVID the

997
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 5: world was horrible. We you know, we weren't even stuck

998
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 5: inside here in Sydney like everyone in Melbourne. But he

999
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: brought a like there was very stressful for business, so

1000
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: you know Anthony's business, a lot of stress around that.

1001
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 5: So to have him at home was such a happy time.

1002
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: He just brought so much light and happiness and he

1003
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 5: was adorable and the boys, you know, adored him from

1004
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 5: them like the first two don't always adore each other.

1005
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: They fight a lot because there's a sibling rivalry there.

1006
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 5: But he brought this, oh my god, there's a baby that.

1007
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 6: Needs them, needs mum. They kind of accepted that.

1008
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 5: They don't accept it around each other, but him it's

1009
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 5: okay because he's the baby.

1010
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 6: So yeah, I would say do it it.

1011
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 5: Just know that it's a lot that you are outnumbered

1012
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 5: and when you're doing things like simple things, I'm not simple.

1013
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if this will make sense, but I'll

1014
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: ask this question. When I had Lola, you know, the

1015
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: biggest change was that, all of a sudden, my time

1016
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: was split between two kids. You know, it was so

1017
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: easy to give Maley so much attention when it was

1018
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: just her and the picture. Yeah, my worry is that

1019
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: with three kids, all of a sudden, your time is

1020
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: diluted again, Is that the case you didn't think it is?

1021
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: I wish, yeah, I wish I had you know, yeah,

1022
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: and giving enough.

1023
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 5: There's all these like posts on Instagram like make sure

1024
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 5: you spend ten minutes of quality time with each child

1025
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 5: a day at all.

1026
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 6: No, just you too, though, like I don't have that time.

1027
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: Oh. I was like, I've just grouped all together.

1028
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 6: You can't go. It's supposed to meet their needs.

1029
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 5: It's so hard, Like there'll be these beautiful dads, they say,

1030
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 5: I take my each child on a walk, like every

1031
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 5: every day, I choose a different child to spend that

1032
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 5: time with. And I'm like, it's unrealistic. I don't have

1033
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 5: that time. You wish you had time to have one

1034
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 5: on one time. You don't they do? I should say

1035
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 5: they want that one. I think it is really challenging,

1036
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: the spreading your time amongst the three, and they do

1037
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: feel it, of course.

1038
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 6: They feel it.

1039
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 5: And half their poor behavior is because they're furious that

1040
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 5: they haven't got you to themselves.

1041
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 6: And that's what you forget. Get cranky at them and

1042
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 6: you're like, why are you being so annoying?

1043
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: Because they want to tell you about their day and

1044
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 5: this is the other ones are like it and they

1045
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 5: don't get their airtime.

1046
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 6: So yeah, that part is definitely hard.

1047
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: TV pun By the way, with that one, the airtime,

1048
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: you said totally, I want to go back just a

1049
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: little bit.

1050
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: So and we did skip over something there. Motherhood.

1051
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Early on you had some health struggles, do you mind

1052
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: telling Sure?

1053
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 6: So I loved being pregnant.

1054
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 5: Most women hate being pregnant, so I'm one of those

1055
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: annoying people who.

1056
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 6: Really loved it. Yeah. I felt really well.

1057
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was really lucky, felt really well. I enjoyed it,

1058
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: like just didn't feel uncomfortable, lucky, very lucky.

1059
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 2: Did you have any particular cravy just.

1060
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 6: Little Elberg little how many? I ate like it would

1061
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 6: be awful.

1062
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1063
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 6: I had a lot of chicken burgers.

1064
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: She loved Parsley.

1065
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah that's little Elburgers that.

1066
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: We have a little.

1067
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of chicken. I might have one.

1068
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So all three brains were great and then but

1069
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 5: afterwards didn't feel great, so, you know, very fatigued, like

1070
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 5: beyond fatigue, like walk walking up the stairs like felt

1071
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 5: I'm like breathless.

1072
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 6: And then I just was like, am I being a hypochondriac?

1073
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 5: Because I can be a hypochondriact sometimes and went to

1074
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 5: the GP and he's like, Lara, you've gone back.

1075
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 6: To work quite quickly.

1076
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: It's a bit run down.

1077
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be just.

1078
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: A you're tired, you've got you've got a baby, and

1079
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: that's fine. That's yeah, fair cool. And I don't blame him.

1080
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 5: I still love him. He's my GP and everything.

1081
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 6: It's fine.

1082
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 5: But it took a while, but I think I think

1083
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: it was about eight months after I had the first

1084
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 5: we did more comprehensive blood tests and you found that

1085
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: my firoroid wasn't functioning properly. So essentially what it was

1086
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: was postpartum viroiditist, which is like a post baby reaction

1087
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 5: my thyroid where the hormones that it's supposed to produce

1088
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 5: are not on the right levels, and it can make

1089
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 5: you either feel if it's underactive, it can make you

1090
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 5: feel really depressed and slow, or if it's overactive, it

1091
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 5: makes you feel like you're on speed. And I was

1092
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 5: I think at the time, I was overactive. So I

1093
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 5: was like, my heart rate was always really jittery, and yeah,

1094
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 5: so how.

1095
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: Long are we dealing with it before you got diagnosed?

1096
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I probably had it straight like pretty much

1097
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: after I had him, so eight months postpartum before we

1098
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 5: figured it out.

1099
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: It's a long term and if you don't, you also

1100
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 2: don't know what you don't know. So you like, Okay,

1101
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: I've had is my first baby. I don't know what

1102
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: my body's supposed to be like after that.

1103
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1104
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we do heavily rely on professionals to

1105
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: give us that.

1106
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1107
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: And also you know when they do more extensive it's

1108
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: just because you're just not feeling right. Do you remember

1109
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: any other like like, so you're saying you're breathless, remember

1110
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Speaker 1: any other symptoms?

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Speaker 5: I felt like anxious, like really anxious, and then I

1112
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 5: lost all the baby weight really quickly, right, And most

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00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 5: people like.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, how amaze.

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00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 5: But you're like, I know that sounds nice, but I

1116
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 5: felt unwell, So I was like, anyway, short story is

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00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 5: that all those symptoms, like losing the weight, all of

1118
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 5: that super quickly is babe basically telling you that your

1119
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 5: farrow was not working. It leveled itself out. I had Cooper.

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Speaker 5: It was worse after Cooper.

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00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 6: It went bad.

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Speaker 3: How do you medicate that well?

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Speaker 5: So you couldn't They can't get so when you're over

1124
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 5: you're creating too much of this of the hormone, so

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00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: there's nothing really they can do other than give you

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00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 5: something to calm the jittery. If you're under underactive, so

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00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 5: you're not producing enough, they can give you thuroxen So

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Speaker 5: I think with Cooper, I eventually ended up being underactive,

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00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 5: so I took some of that for a while, but

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00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: it normalized and then I had Hamish and I didn't

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00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: have anything, so it was yeah, so with him it

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Speaker 5: didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 6: He just made me happy.

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Speaker 5: To be fair, I probably should have known. I love

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Speaker 5: my mum to death, but when I mentioned my broad shees,

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00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 5: oh yeah, I've had some of those, you know, like

1138
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 5: just a typical like that's just so dificul a mom.

1139
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 5: She just wouldn't have thought to mention it. And the

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00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 5: doctor's like, yeah, it's genetic, thanks mom.

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00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: Perfect.

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00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 6: We could have got to the botto of it a

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00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 6: little bit.

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00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: So up.

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00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: Before we recorded, you mentioned that your family you've not

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00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: slept in them right bed since COVID.

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00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 6: Or I tried to think about the date I reckon

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00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 6: I could.

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00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 5: Count on one hand that we've all slept in the

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00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 5: right beds.

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00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: Bed going it's like five years.

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00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 3: How does it normally work?

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00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Her?

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00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 6: Okay, I had perfect babies. They all slept well.

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00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: I had them in a strict routine four hourly sleeps, feeds, sleep, feeds, sleep.

1156
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 5: Then my eldest got to three or four and started

1157
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 5: to get night terrors. And just as he's gotten older,

1158
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 5: he's become more scared at night, which is just what

1159
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 5: we're dealing with him. He's the nine The seven year

1160
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: olds are chiller, like he could he'll sleep anyway. But

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00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: I think he's just following him now. And now the

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00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 5: last six months or so, the hey mish just started. Well,

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00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 5: I'm getting up like if everyone else is getting up

1164
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: in the middle of night. So we all go to

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00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 5: bed in the right spot. The night starts off fine,

1166
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 5: but then.

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Speaker 6: You hear.

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 5: Which one is it, and it's usually the eldest first,

1169
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 5: and he comes in like a thunderbolt of lightning because

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00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 5: he's had a dream. So you hear him like and

1171
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 5: then he jumps in your bed and you're like fast asleep.

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 5: You're like just get into bed like we used to

1173
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 5: get up to try. And we've been going on a

1174
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 5: journey with him, but we've gotten to the point where

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00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 5: are like, sleep's more important. We want him to not

1176
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 5: be so worried about it. It's not a big deal.

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Speaker 5: He'll grow out of it. It's not forever.

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Speaker 1: You're knocking all the doors fifteen and still doing it.

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00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 6: We'll kick him out.

1180
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: But also similar here, like it's kind of nice.

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00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 6: It's okay for one, but not free and free. We

1182
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 6: have a king sized bed. Usually then the next one

1183
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 6: will come in.

1184
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 5: We've got a mattress on them floor, and the mattress

1185
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Speaker 5: is there for like, I don't know, just yes, do.

1186
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 3: You ever end up in the kids like last night?

1187
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 6: No, Anthony was in the spare room last night.

1188
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 5: He ended up in there because you go, I can't

1189
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 5: say I've got someone's knees or in my back.

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Speaker 6: I'm like pushing someone away and you both you're both.

1191
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: Looking waiting for one to get up and leave, and

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00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 5: you know, we take turns. I won't get up every

1193
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 5: night and leave the room, but yeah, ultimately we're in

1194
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 5: it a patch five ye, a long patch of lack

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00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 5: of sleep, Like I don't know what uninterrupted sleep is

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 5: unless I'm on the road.

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00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: Like magic, there'd be so many parents listening right now, going,

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00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is my life. Yeah, last night,

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Speaker 1: last night, I like it was like eleven thirty and

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00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: I'm not usually up that late.

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: I just couldn't sleep.

1202
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: And then I hear the door open because they share

1203
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: a room and they've got white noise still for my younger.

1204
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: So I hear the door open and the white nose go.

1205
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: It comes and then it goes, and then I hear that,

1206
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: and I'm just like oh, and then sick of But

1207
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll just go You get into bed with marm

1208
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: and I'll just go straight to the Israel.

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00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you want to have a good night sleep right, Yeah,

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00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 5: it's que for a minute.

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00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: For a minute until he starts elbowing me.

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00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: I feel like we could talk to you for a

1214
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: long time, but you have places to be, you do.

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: Holy shit. Last question before you go, I would like

1216
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 3: to know when your boys are all grown up, they're

1217
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: no longer at home, they're no longer kicking you in

1218
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: the back in bed, what is the one thing you

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00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: would like them to remember about the house that they

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00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: grew up.

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Speaker 5: I hope that they think of it as a loving,

1222
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: warm and open home. I think that they'll remember it

1223
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: as a crazy house where Mum and dad lost their up.

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00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 6: They will.

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00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 5: The legit of it is, they'll the funny stuff will be,

1226
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 5: you know how crazy they sent us like, it will be.

1227
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 5: But I want them to always know that they can

1228
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 5: come home be with us. They love family, their best

1229
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 5: memories of being as a family, So I want them

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00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 5: to be resilient people.

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 6: I want them to be happy. That's like the most

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00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 6: important thing for me.

1233
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 5: Is that they're happy and confident when they grew up

1234
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 5: that they had a loving and warm home. I love

1235
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 5: except maybe yeah, less screaming, remember all of it, but

1236
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 5: it will forget.

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00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you so much for jumping on.

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00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 6: See you in Vegas again.

1239
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: So who knows when you will bump into us next?

1240
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: You'll see us?

1241
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, behind you the Brisbane Grand Final.

1242
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: Maybe at least we're not dragon support.

1243
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 6: Oh that is a nasty way to end.

1244
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Bye.

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Speaker 6: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Two. Doting Dad's podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country

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00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: throughout Australia and the connections to land, sea and community.

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00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres straight

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Speaker 1: on the People's Today.

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