1 00:00:10,204 --> 00:00:13,484 Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts here more Gold one on one point 2 00:00:13,524 --> 00:00:15,204 Speaker 1: seven podcasts. 3 00:00:14,604 --> 00:00:19,124 Speaker 2: Playlists and listen live on the Free iHeart app on. 4 00:00:19,484 --> 00:00:44,884 Speaker 3: Seas floor. 5 00:00:46,524 --> 00:00:48,604 Speaker 4: On the cutting room floor today. Are you a bit 6 00:00:48,604 --> 00:00:49,524 Speaker 4: of an entrepreneur? 7 00:00:50,684 --> 00:00:51,244 Speaker 1: Not really? 8 00:00:52,444 --> 00:00:55,204 Speaker 2: Are you me? You don't don't really know. 9 00:00:55,604 --> 00:00:57,324 Speaker 4: When I was a kid, I used to have a 10 00:00:57,364 --> 00:01:00,804 Speaker 4: mowing business. This is before Jim's Mowing. And it started off. 11 00:01:00,844 --> 00:01:03,564 Speaker 4: I'd use my dad's mo and I'm mowing Dad's lawn 12 00:01:03,924 --> 00:01:06,604 Speaker 4: and the lady across the road she said, oh, you know, 13 00:01:07,283 --> 00:01:08,764 Speaker 4: would you be out to mow my lawn? I'll pay 14 00:01:08,804 --> 00:01:11,764 Speaker 4: you and okay, and then she gave me five dollars, 15 00:01:11,764 --> 00:01:13,484 Speaker 4: which was a considerable amount of money. 16 00:01:13,524 --> 00:01:14,324 Speaker 1: What did you do with that? 17 00:01:14,644 --> 00:01:17,684 Speaker 2: Well, I kept it and I went okay. 18 00:01:17,724 --> 00:01:20,283 Speaker 4: And then the guy next door to the lady said 19 00:01:20,844 --> 00:01:23,004 Speaker 4: would you my law and what are you charging? 20 00:01:23,284 --> 00:01:24,804 Speaker 2: And I said, oh, you know, what do you reckon? 21 00:01:24,884 --> 00:01:26,484 Speaker 2: He goes, oh, I'll give you ten bucks, and I 22 00:01:26,484 --> 00:01:27,284 Speaker 2: went okay. 23 00:01:27,524 --> 00:01:29,644 Speaker 4: So that lady was giving me five, and then the 24 00:01:29,724 --> 00:01:32,404 Speaker 4: dude ten, then all the street. I ended up mowing 25 00:01:32,444 --> 00:01:34,643 Speaker 4: the whole street. So I started putting money back into 26 00:01:34,644 --> 00:01:36,724 Speaker 4: the business. I bought myself a whip, snipper as well, 27 00:01:37,084 --> 00:01:41,204 Speaker 4: and I used I would have been about fourteen, and 28 00:01:41,244 --> 00:01:44,084 Speaker 4: then I went to boarding school. So I lost the business, 29 00:01:44,084 --> 00:01:46,244 Speaker 4: but I gave it over to my business. I lost 30 00:01:46,244 --> 00:01:48,523 Speaker 4: the business, but I gave it over to my brother 31 00:01:49,004 --> 00:01:51,004 Speaker 4: and my mate Cassa, you know Casa. 32 00:01:51,404 --> 00:01:55,004 Speaker 2: Anyway, one day, the lady the og she. 33 00:01:55,164 --> 00:01:57,084 Speaker 4: When I came back from school holidays, I went around 34 00:01:57,084 --> 00:01:59,364 Speaker 4: and said, you know, how's it all going. She says, look, 35 00:01:59,444 --> 00:02:02,364 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I just couldn't work with your brother 36 00:02:02,484 --> 00:02:05,964 Speaker 4: and his friend because that would sit there and argue 37 00:02:06,244 --> 00:02:08,404 Speaker 4: in the backyard about who was doing the whipper snipping 38 00:02:08,603 --> 00:02:10,964 Speaker 4: and who was doing the moa. And she said, one 39 00:02:11,043 --> 00:02:14,044 Speaker 4: day I just heard them talking about dog shit for 40 00:02:14,124 --> 00:02:17,124 Speaker 4: about twenty minutes, because you know, back in the days, 41 00:02:17,244 --> 00:02:17,604 Speaker 4: that was. 42 00:02:17,524 --> 00:02:18,884 Speaker 2: When no one picked up dog poop. 43 00:02:19,483 --> 00:02:21,684 Speaker 4: So they just me I'm not moment over that, you know, 44 00:02:21,764 --> 00:02:23,963 Speaker 4: And then she said she gave them twenty dollars and 45 00:02:24,004 --> 00:02:27,923 Speaker 4: said just go away. So when I built that business, 46 00:02:28,004 --> 00:02:29,763 Speaker 4: it took me probably about a year. 47 00:02:30,084 --> 00:02:35,084 Speaker 2: They destroyed it in two moning sessions. And that's the 48 00:02:35,124 --> 00:02:36,644 Speaker 2: story of my brother and Cassa. 49 00:02:36,884 --> 00:02:38,884 Speaker 1: What happened with the role of that went into someone's 50 00:02:38,884 --> 00:02:42,044 Speaker 1: front yard though a different story. That's right, Well, that's 51 00:02:42,084 --> 00:02:46,924 Speaker 1: for another Ginger megsigation for another sixty business was that ruining, 52 00:02:46,964 --> 00:02:51,364 Speaker 1: not yours. That was just us being children, youths. But 53 00:02:52,004 --> 00:02:54,644 Speaker 1: I do like the stories of entrepreneurs. 54 00:02:54,684 --> 00:02:56,764 Speaker 4: And I'm well or I don't know if you're aware 55 00:02:56,844 --> 00:03:00,364 Speaker 4: of the group called swim Shady. So it's a former 56 00:03:00,524 --> 00:03:03,203 Speaker 4: NRL player and they've got these shirts and stuff the 57 00:03:03,644 --> 00:03:07,004 Speaker 4: sun protection and they've caught it swim shady and wearing 58 00:03:07,084 --> 00:03:08,644 Speaker 4: the water and it looks good. 59 00:03:08,684 --> 00:03:11,604 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I've seen that their shirts instead of rashy. 60 00:03:11,684 --> 00:03:13,043 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look like a bit of a tool 61 00:03:13,084 --> 00:03:14,004 Speaker 2: and a rashy but their. 62 00:03:14,004 --> 00:03:16,324 Speaker 1: Shirts and they say, I don't know if this is 63 00:03:16,324 --> 00:03:17,844 Speaker 1: that brand, but you can wear it straight out of 64 00:03:17,844 --> 00:03:20,164 Speaker 1: the water and five minutes later sitting the cafes dry. 65 00:03:20,524 --> 00:03:23,364 Speaker 2: And it looks it doesn't look like I'd like. 66 00:03:23,324 --> 00:03:23,924 Speaker 1: To get one of those. 67 00:03:24,163 --> 00:03:24,244 Speaker 5: Me. 68 00:03:24,363 --> 00:03:25,324 Speaker 1: Do they make girls ones? 69 00:03:26,163 --> 00:03:27,844 Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems to be a man thing, 70 00:03:27,884 --> 00:03:28,804 Speaker 2: but I'm sure they would. 71 00:03:29,404 --> 00:03:33,763 Speaker 4: But they've come foul of none other than Marshall Maver's 72 00:03:34,084 --> 00:03:36,884 Speaker 4: the original slim Shady eminem. 73 00:03:37,404 --> 00:03:40,044 Speaker 1: So so this is called swim Shade. 74 00:03:39,803 --> 00:03:44,644 Speaker 4: Swim Shady so he's they're suing, well, Marshall Mayo's people 75 00:03:45,004 --> 00:03:49,444 Speaker 4: and him are suing for I guess it's copyright on 76 00:03:49,484 --> 00:03:50,604 Speaker 4: the name swim Shady. 77 00:03:50,684 --> 00:03:51,604 Speaker 1: They have to change the name. 78 00:03:52,044 --> 00:03:52,684 Speaker 2: I hope not. 79 00:03:53,803 --> 00:03:57,084 Speaker 4: Eminem is renowned for protecting his brand after being embroiled 80 00:03:57,324 --> 00:04:00,284 Speaker 4: in multiple lawsuits over the use of his likeness and 81 00:04:00,444 --> 00:04:03,044 Speaker 4: music catalog, and a judge would deem that the people 82 00:04:03,084 --> 00:04:05,364 Speaker 4: would get youse swim Shady? 83 00:04:05,564 --> 00:04:07,204 Speaker 2: Is is it a line to slim show? 84 00:04:07,324 --> 00:04:09,684 Speaker 1: It's not a line, but you know to pun on it, 85 00:04:09,724 --> 00:04:12,484 Speaker 1: So you think, oh, fair enough, what's next? Fifty cents 86 00:04:12,524 --> 00:04:15,164 Speaker 1: going to sue the Australian government for having fifty cents. 87 00:04:16,644 --> 00:04:18,443 Speaker 2: Come on people? That could happen. 88 00:04:18,564 --> 00:04:19,363 Speaker 1: That could happen. 89 00:04:19,444 --> 00:04:22,884 Speaker 4: But I've was doing a show on Channel ten, I think, 90 00:04:23,084 --> 00:04:26,364 Speaker 4: and they had a bunch of ACDC pinball machines. So 91 00:04:26,524 --> 00:04:29,204 Speaker 4: the new ACDC pinball machine had been released. They had 92 00:04:29,204 --> 00:04:31,884 Speaker 4: a bunch of them, and I did a report on it, 93 00:04:32,124 --> 00:04:35,124 Speaker 4: and then we weren't allowed to play the music of 94 00:04:35,164 --> 00:04:38,084 Speaker 4: the ACDC pinball machine. You could play it on the 95 00:04:38,124 --> 00:04:42,244 Speaker 4: ACDC pinball machine, not on camera because it's been authorized 96 00:04:42,284 --> 00:04:43,004 Speaker 4: by ACDC. 97 00:04:43,284 --> 00:04:45,724 Speaker 2: But once you put that on TV, it's a different deal. 98 00:04:45,924 --> 00:04:47,084 Speaker 2: It hasn't been authorized. 99 00:04:47,204 --> 00:04:51,164 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember once going to LA with the Living Room. 100 00:04:51,364 --> 00:04:52,804 Speaker 1: We were the only people in the history of the 101 00:04:52,844 --> 00:04:54,924 Speaker 1: universe who went to LA who were told to not 102 00:04:54,964 --> 00:04:56,804 Speaker 1: film the Hollywood Sign because it was owned by Hugh 103 00:04:56,844 --> 00:05:00,924 Speaker 1: Hefner and he might sue up. Real imagine if he 104 00:05:01,004 --> 00:05:03,884 Speaker 1: sued everyone who would film the Hollywood Sign. 105 00:05:04,004 --> 00:05:05,363 Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it. 106 00:05:05,724 --> 00:05:06,563 Speaker 1: Draw the line? 107 00:05:06,644 --> 00:05:07,924 Speaker 2: Come on fatally for us. 108 00:05:07,964 --> 00:05:10,804 Speaker 4: No one's ripping out stuff off just about that. We've 109 00:05:10,804 --> 00:05:13,964 Speaker 4: already stolen it. And if you steal from us, you've 110 00:05:14,044 --> 00:05:15,044 Speaker 4: stolen twice. 111 00:05:15,164 --> 00:05:16,524 Speaker 3: Everybody, it's time. 112 00:05:17,044 --> 00:05:22,164 Speaker 2: And a man, what's on the cutting room floor today? 113 00:05:22,204 --> 00:05:26,204 Speaker 1: Friend, my son sent a photo the other day and 114 00:05:26,244 --> 00:05:27,564 Speaker 1: I had such a flashback. 115 00:05:27,804 --> 00:05:29,044 Speaker 2: Which son, Jack or Liam? 116 00:05:29,244 --> 00:05:33,284 Speaker 1: It was Liam who sent it, but Jack also responded 117 00:05:33,604 --> 00:05:35,884 Speaker 1: to it saying, what a weird time. And many of 118 00:05:35,924 --> 00:05:38,524 Speaker 1: us would have memories of how wed well, all of 119 00:05:38,604 --> 00:05:40,684 Speaker 1: us will memories of how weird this time was. It 120 00:05:40,724 --> 00:05:45,124 Speaker 1: was Christmas Day twenty twenty one. Oh yeah, Jack had 121 00:05:45,164 --> 00:05:48,804 Speaker 1: just had his school formal and this isn't this isn't 122 00:05:48,804 --> 00:05:49,243 Speaker 1: the event we. 123 00:05:49,284 --> 00:05:50,804 Speaker 2: Actually get to have a school formal. 124 00:05:51,244 --> 00:05:54,644 Speaker 1: That was the very last event before everything closed down 125 00:05:54,764 --> 00:05:55,324 Speaker 1: for lockdown. 126 00:05:55,444 --> 00:05:58,724 Speaker 2: But because twenty twenty twenty, let me. 127 00:05:58,604 --> 00:05:59,324 Speaker 1: Just tell the story. 128 00:05:59,404 --> 00:06:00,604 Speaker 2: I'm to try now. 129 00:06:00,644 --> 00:06:04,484 Speaker 1: I'm twenty one. Jack had his school formal. This is 130 00:06:04,564 --> 00:06:08,324 Speaker 1: pre vaccination. This is all borders closed. This Oh no, no, 131 00:06:08,364 --> 00:06:11,164 Speaker 1: the borders weren't closed, but it was pre vaccination all 132 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:15,884 Speaker 1: of that, and nearly everyone at that formal got COVID. 133 00:06:16,364 --> 00:06:19,324 Speaker 1: This was the first cases we had ever heard of 134 00:06:19,444 --> 00:06:23,044 Speaker 1: in our community of COVID and it was Jack's cool. 135 00:06:23,124 --> 00:06:25,884 Speaker 2: So that was But that would have been Christmas twenty 136 00:06:26,004 --> 00:06:27,444 Speaker 2: at the end of twenty twenty. 137 00:06:27,724 --> 00:06:29,964 Speaker 1: Is it, Well, he thought it was Christmas twenty twenty one. 138 00:06:30,204 --> 00:06:31,084 Speaker 1: Is he a year out? 139 00:06:31,124 --> 00:06:32,924 Speaker 4: Because there was a bunch of And it's funny how 140 00:06:32,964 --> 00:06:36,484 Speaker 4: you say that, Because okay, let's go timeline twenty twenty. 141 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:40,604 Speaker 4: That March of twenty twenty, that's when sko Ma did 142 00:06:40,604 --> 00:06:43,284 Speaker 4: the big breakthrough announcement. You were hosting Dance with the Stars, 143 00:06:43,804 --> 00:06:46,164 Speaker 4: and he said, you can't go out, you can't do anything. 144 00:06:46,604 --> 00:06:49,764 Speaker 4: And then we had Lockdown twenty twenty, and I saw 145 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:51,244 Speaker 4: the Christmas at twenty twenty. 146 00:06:51,404 --> 00:06:54,764 Speaker 1: Well, anyway, it came back to the cash prizes. Well, 147 00:06:54,804 --> 00:06:59,844 Speaker 1: what happened here was that this photo shows Liam Harley's 148 00:06:59,884 --> 00:07:02,524 Speaker 1: taken the photo. It's Liam and I are sitting on 149 00:07:02,564 --> 00:07:06,084 Speaker 1: a couch. Jack is smiling. It's Christmas Day, but Jack 150 00:07:06,804 --> 00:07:11,764 Speaker 1: is on a iPad. He was in isolation on Christmas Day. 151 00:07:12,404 --> 00:07:14,124 Speaker 1: And what had happened was he and a number of 152 00:07:14,164 --> 00:07:17,964 Speaker 1: his friends all got COVID around the same time, and 153 00:07:18,244 --> 00:07:22,324 Speaker 1: a group of them went into one house because someone's 154 00:07:22,364 --> 00:07:26,644 Speaker 1: parents said, okay, take the house. We're going to go 155 00:07:27,164 --> 00:07:29,444 Speaker 1: down the coast. You take the house. So four or 156 00:07:29,444 --> 00:07:33,084 Speaker 1: five of them went into isolation together. But they were 157 00:07:33,124 --> 00:07:35,724 Speaker 1: all very, very sick. As a parent, it was very 158 00:07:35,764 --> 00:07:38,204 Speaker 1: alarming to not have him live at home during that 159 00:07:38,324 --> 00:07:40,244 Speaker 1: but it was so much easier that they could have. 160 00:07:40,444 --> 00:07:42,564 Speaker 1: They could roam around a house and we could roam 161 00:07:42,604 --> 00:07:46,564 Speaker 1: around our house. So but they're all very ill. We 162 00:07:46,604 --> 00:07:50,324 Speaker 1: forget what it was like before vaccination. And then when 163 00:07:50,684 --> 00:07:53,804 Speaker 1: the daughter of that house had come out of isolation, 164 00:07:53,884 --> 00:07:56,644 Speaker 1: the family wanted the house back, so Jack had to 165 00:07:56,684 --> 00:08:00,884 Speaker 1: come home. So we went down the coast and Jack 166 00:08:01,004 --> 00:08:03,004 Speaker 1: was on his own for Christmas Day, and our neighbors 167 00:08:03,124 --> 00:08:05,964 Speaker 1: very kindly wrapped up Christmas food put it on the 168 00:08:05,964 --> 00:08:09,364 Speaker 1: doorstep for him, and a week later the daughter had 169 00:08:09,404 --> 00:08:13,244 Speaker 1: COVID and she's been I think it was her holidays, 170 00:08:13,444 --> 00:08:15,564 Speaker 1: sitting in the pool outside while everyone else was inside 171 00:08:15,604 --> 00:08:18,484 Speaker 1: the house. But you forget what it was like. You 172 00:08:18,604 --> 00:08:21,884 Speaker 1: forget what it was like. And I had prepaid for 173 00:08:21,964 --> 00:08:25,044 Speaker 1: all our family, my Queensland family and everyone, my dad, 174 00:08:25,124 --> 00:08:27,724 Speaker 1: my brother, sister in law, my niss and nephew to 175 00:08:27,844 --> 00:08:31,444 Speaker 1: all meet in Noosa, and I'd prepaid to render house. 176 00:08:32,044 --> 00:08:35,843 Speaker 1: And because I was a close contact of Jack's, we 177 00:08:35,884 --> 00:08:39,883 Speaker 1: couldn't go. That was the days where Anastasia Palichet. 178 00:08:39,484 --> 00:08:42,044 Speaker 2: It was going nuts for yes, if we would. 179 00:08:41,884 --> 00:08:43,884 Speaker 1: Have had to go into isolation in Queensland for two 180 00:08:43,884 --> 00:08:48,484 Speaker 1: weeks in a hotel. And so I was every morning illegally. 181 00:08:48,644 --> 00:08:50,284 Speaker 1: I took my dog for a walk at four in 182 00:08:50,284 --> 00:08:53,484 Speaker 1: the morning, and I cried and I cried and I cried, 183 00:08:53,524 --> 00:08:55,244 Speaker 1: and I'd crossed the street if I saw someone because 184 00:08:55,284 --> 00:08:58,004 Speaker 1: I thought I can't afford to breathe on them. You 185 00:08:58,084 --> 00:09:01,484 Speaker 1: forget how it was. And it's all right for people 186 00:09:01,524 --> 00:09:04,604 Speaker 1: now to complain about our vaccination program and being forced vaccination. 187 00:09:04,884 --> 00:09:07,524 Speaker 1: We forget what it was like before we had vaccinations. 188 00:09:07,924 --> 00:09:11,764 Speaker 4: It is true, and my memory is a deal dim 189 00:09:11,804 --> 00:09:14,884 Speaker 4: of it now. Because and it feels and this is 190 00:09:14,884 --> 00:09:17,924 Speaker 4: why we forget about world wide pandemics. This has happened 191 00:09:17,964 --> 00:09:22,604 Speaker 4: before to US, worldwide pandemically. Two thousand and nine, for example, 192 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:25,484 Speaker 4: we had swine flu, but that weren't locked down, no, 193 00:09:25,604 --> 00:09:27,444 Speaker 4: but they still had a lot of cases. There was 194 00:09:27,444 --> 00:09:29,284 Speaker 4: a lot of cases and a lot of people that 195 00:09:29,324 --> 00:09:34,004 Speaker 4: were in ICU, more though, more than what was actually 196 00:09:34,044 --> 00:09:37,924 Speaker 4: in ICU at the time when we went through COVID. 197 00:09:38,124 --> 00:09:39,444 Speaker 2: And that's why I used to look at the Sydney 198 00:09:39,444 --> 00:09:39,964 Speaker 2: Morning Herald. 199 00:09:40,004 --> 00:09:43,723 Speaker 4: They had an article about we had fifteen hundred ic 200 00:09:44,604 --> 00:09:47,644 Speaker 4: ICU beds in New South Wales, meaning that they were 201 00:09:47,844 --> 00:09:49,324 Speaker 4: fully ventilated. 202 00:09:48,764 --> 00:09:51,004 Speaker 2: Beds, So fifteen hundred people. 203 00:09:51,004 --> 00:09:55,404 Speaker 4: If they had that would be fully incubated, incubated and 204 00:09:55,444 --> 00:09:57,764 Speaker 4: they'd be fall on looked after. 205 00:09:58,204 --> 00:09:59,724 Speaker 2: We never got to that capacity. 206 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:01,644 Speaker 1: Well, we could see the footage from America where bodies 207 00:10:01,644 --> 00:10:04,644 Speaker 1: are being put into the back of vans and mass graves. 208 00:10:04,204 --> 00:10:06,244 Speaker 4: And some people will say, oh, like this thought it 209 00:10:06,244 --> 00:10:07,483 Speaker 4: would do. The other day he goes, how did you 210 00:10:07,684 --> 00:10:09,684 Speaker 4: did you get vaccinations? I said, the art think I've 211 00:10:09,684 --> 00:10:11,924 Speaker 4: got about five or six of them, because why'd you 212 00:10:12,004 --> 00:10:13,364 Speaker 4: do that? And I said, well, I just didn't want to, 213 00:10:13,644 --> 00:10:16,524 Speaker 4: you know, I just I've been getting flu shots since 214 00:10:16,564 --> 00:10:19,484 Speaker 4: I was in my twenties, have been vaccinated for everything else. 215 00:10:19,884 --> 00:10:22,324 Speaker 2: What does it matter? You know, like really, why wouldn't you? 216 00:10:22,404 --> 00:10:24,124 Speaker 2: Like I drink like a fish, you know, like there's 217 00:10:24,204 --> 00:10:25,324 Speaker 2: me and other Your. 218 00:10:25,244 --> 00:10:27,364 Speaker 1: Body's a temple, one of those temples. But monkeys throw 219 00:10:27,404 --> 00:10:28,244 Speaker 1: their feces around. 220 00:10:28,324 --> 00:10:31,083 Speaker 4: Like I didn't lean into the conspiracy theory out of 221 00:10:31,164 --> 00:10:34,124 Speaker 4: mate that was telling me that there were five g 222 00:10:34,404 --> 00:10:38,204 Speaker 4: like little tidy microbots being injected. I said, dude, that 223 00:10:38,324 --> 00:10:41,404 Speaker 4: is the most nuts unhinged thing. But people as well. 224 00:10:41,444 --> 00:10:43,404 Speaker 4: But I don't judge people for not getting vaccinated in 225 00:10:43,444 --> 00:10:45,644 Speaker 4: it because a part of it is there was a 226 00:10:45,684 --> 00:10:48,404 Speaker 4: great fear you didn't know. Of course, with astrazeneka, all 227 00:10:48,444 --> 00:10:50,284 Speaker 4: of a sudden we're getting it and. 228 00:10:50,564 --> 00:10:52,364 Speaker 2: You're thinking, what, I'm going to get a blood clot now. 229 00:10:52,244 --> 00:10:55,084 Speaker 1: That's right. But having said that, people are looking back 230 00:10:55,084 --> 00:10:57,324 Speaker 1: at that time and saying, why did we have to 231 00:10:57,364 --> 00:11:01,124 Speaker 1: do that? We've forgotten why, we've forgotten how hard it was. 232 00:11:01,204 --> 00:11:02,564 Speaker 2: And you know what, in another. 233 00:11:03,924 --> 00:11:07,124 Speaker 4: What ninety five years from now, when it comes around again, 234 00:11:07,444 --> 00:11:09,564 Speaker 4: everyone'll be saying, oh, hang on, what well this. 235 00:11:09,524 --> 00:11:11,404 Speaker 1: Is like childbirth. Do you think we have more than 236 00:11:11,404 --> 00:11:14,124 Speaker 1: one child? If we remembered exactly. 237 00:11:13,644 --> 00:11:16,644 Speaker 2: What childbirth was like, you just got to keep on living. 238 00:11:16,764 --> 00:11:19,484 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let you know when I have my next baby. 239 00:11:19,724 --> 00:11:22,644 Speaker 2: Well, we'll have a radio. 240 00:11:22,364 --> 00:11:25,004 Speaker 1: Competition and the Guinness Book of Records will be there too. 241 00:11:25,524 --> 00:11:28,684 Speaker 5: Hey, hey, everybody, here's some more Chelsea and a man's 242 00:11:28,724 --> 00:11:32,964 Speaker 5: curtain room for Hey. Hey, hey, get ready, everybody, here's 243 00:11:32,964 --> 00:11:38,284 Speaker 5: some more Chelsea and a man's curtain room for Hey, Hey, hey, 244 00:11:38,284 --> 00:11:38,484 Speaker 5: are you. 245 00:11:38,524 --> 00:11:41,764 Speaker 2: Ready for on the cutting room floor today? 246 00:11:41,884 --> 00:11:47,364 Speaker 4: Gen Z are ready to quit their job over bathroom anxiety. 247 00:11:47,364 --> 00:11:50,244 Speaker 1: This is interesting many gen Z. Did you say? You 248 00:11:50,284 --> 00:11:51,124 Speaker 1: said gen Z? 249 00:11:51,404 --> 00:11:53,284 Speaker 2: I say gen Z. It just rolls off the time. 250 00:11:53,364 --> 00:11:56,404 Speaker 1: Gen Z Washington. Gen Z is in the people in 251 00:11:56,404 --> 00:12:00,124 Speaker 1: their twenties. They're saying here that the workers are reporting 252 00:12:00,164 --> 00:12:04,644 Speaker 1: feeling uneasy using office bathrooms, with worries about noise, privacy, 253 00:12:04,764 --> 00:12:08,884 Speaker 1: awkward moments becoming a recurring stress point. Some even say 254 00:12:08,884 --> 00:12:11,444 Speaker 1: a single embarrassing incident has made them think about leaving, 255 00:12:11,524 --> 00:12:17,524 Speaker 1: highlighting how small discomforts can influence how younger employees view 256 00:12:17,924 --> 00:12:23,604 Speaker 1: their workplace. I wonder if this is COVID. This is 257 00:12:23,604 --> 00:12:26,564 Speaker 1: the generation that did a lot of their schooling at home. 258 00:12:26,924 --> 00:12:32,324 Speaker 1: A generation that hasn't had those social norms, and privacy 259 00:12:33,124 --> 00:12:37,044 Speaker 1: was an easier thing. You're not leaving your embarrassments out 260 00:12:37,044 --> 00:12:39,204 Speaker 1: in an office setting and might be working from home 261 00:12:39,244 --> 00:12:41,244 Speaker 1: a couple of days a week. I wonder if this 262 00:12:41,284 --> 00:12:43,764 Speaker 1: is one of the fallouts from that. Yeah, because the 263 00:12:43,884 --> 00:12:48,964 Speaker 1: toilets are embarrassing work toilets are embarrassing for men, probably 264 00:12:49,004 --> 00:12:51,004 Speaker 1: not so much for women. Usually embarrassing. 265 00:12:51,044 --> 00:12:54,044 Speaker 2: Some people are more open about it than others they are. 266 00:12:54,084 --> 00:12:55,684 Speaker 1: I wonder if are they people have come from big 267 00:12:55,724 --> 00:12:57,844 Speaker 1: families or people who went to boarding school. You're a 268 00:12:57,844 --> 00:12:58,404 Speaker 1: bit of both. 269 00:12:58,564 --> 00:12:58,764 Speaker 2: Yeah. 270 00:12:58,804 --> 00:13:02,884 Speaker 4: I went to a big family and boarding school, and you, yeah, 271 00:13:03,484 --> 00:13:05,884 Speaker 4: you just had to go, you know, you. 272 00:13:05,884 --> 00:13:06,604 Speaker 2: Go to the toilet. 273 00:13:06,644 --> 00:13:08,084 Speaker 4: That's what you had to do because you lived at 274 00:13:08,084 --> 00:13:12,124 Speaker 4: the school, That's right. So that was difficult and in 275 00:13:12,164 --> 00:13:15,404 Speaker 4: the workplace as well. I remember I used to work 276 00:13:15,444 --> 00:13:20,244 Speaker 4: at a factory making aluminion casings for various things, and 277 00:13:20,284 --> 00:13:22,484 Speaker 4: you'd run off to the duney to go and kill 278 00:13:22,524 --> 00:13:24,364 Speaker 4: twenty minutes, and then you have the boss being on 279 00:13:24,364 --> 00:13:24,764 Speaker 4: the door, what. 280 00:13:24,684 --> 00:13:25,404 Speaker 2: Are you doing in there? 281 00:13:25,764 --> 00:13:28,244 Speaker 4: Because you've been off the factory line for twenty minutes, 282 00:13:30,124 --> 00:13:32,764 Speaker 4: and I think with the in the main office here, 283 00:13:33,124 --> 00:13:38,124 Speaker 4: I try not to do a WP explain a work pooh, because. 284 00:13:37,844 --> 00:13:39,124 Speaker 2: You know there's a good chance you got to run 285 00:13:39,124 --> 00:13:40,083 Speaker 2: into someone that you know in. 286 00:13:40,044 --> 00:13:43,444 Speaker 1: There that worry you. Girls would rather go into witness 287 00:13:43,484 --> 00:13:46,884 Speaker 1: protection than have to do that. How But what guys 288 00:13:46,924 --> 00:13:47,764 Speaker 1: don't seem to mind. 289 00:13:48,004 --> 00:13:49,444 Speaker 2: And then there's some people like Brad. 290 00:13:49,764 --> 00:13:52,564 Speaker 4: He one day I understood the urinal and he walks 291 00:13:52,604 --> 00:13:55,764 Speaker 4: into Go for a Borrington and he's just chatting away 292 00:13:55,804 --> 00:13:56,964 Speaker 4: and then he's doing a big pooh. 293 00:13:57,004 --> 00:13:59,364 Speaker 2: You know that. I don't stop. Stop. I don't want 294 00:13:59,404 --> 00:14:00,404 Speaker 2: to hear. I don't want to know this. 295 00:14:00,564 --> 00:14:01,284 Speaker 1: I don't want to know. 296 00:14:01,564 --> 00:14:04,284 Speaker 4: But he's talking to me while he's going through emotions, 297 00:14:04,444 --> 00:14:06,124 Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, well, and I'm 298 00:14:06,164 --> 00:14:08,083 Speaker 4: washing my hands. I'm thinking, well, at what point do 299 00:14:08,204 --> 00:14:10,244 Speaker 4: I wrap this conversation? 300 00:14:10,804 --> 00:14:10,963 Speaker 5: Now? 301 00:14:11,004 --> 00:14:12,204 Speaker 1: I should this one up. 302 00:14:12,244 --> 00:14:15,404 Speaker 4: He can't see me, but I'm outside and he's going anyway, 303 00:14:15,404 --> 00:14:15,924 Speaker 4: what about that? 304 00:14:17,404 --> 00:14:17,644 Speaker 2: Brad. 305 00:14:17,644 --> 00:14:19,684 Speaker 4: I'm leaving the room now because I didn't want I 306 00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:21,444 Speaker 4: didn't want him to be awkward that I've left the 307 00:14:21,484 --> 00:14:23,164 Speaker 4: room and he's still talking to an empty r. 308 00:14:23,284 --> 00:14:24,524 Speaker 1: That's when you have to say I leave you to 309 00:14:24,564 --> 00:14:29,764 Speaker 1: it drop. This is Remember we used to work another 310 00:14:29,844 --> 00:14:32,644 Speaker 1: radio station that was very masculine, and no one cared. 311 00:14:32,644 --> 00:14:34,164 Speaker 1: The guys just didn't give a right. 312 00:14:34,324 --> 00:14:35,124 Speaker 2: They didn't care at all. 313 00:14:35,204 --> 00:14:38,244 Speaker 1: There's a certain freedom and not caring, but women care enormously. 314 00:14:38,444 --> 00:14:38,644 Speaker 2: Yep. 315 00:14:38,884 --> 00:14:41,524 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well when we worked at that particular radio station, 316 00:14:41,764 --> 00:14:44,124 Speaker 4: and I go in there in the toilet for a smoke, 317 00:14:44,564 --> 00:14:46,604 Speaker 4: and there's back when I used to smoke, So weed 318 00:14:46,604 --> 00:14:47,924 Speaker 4: all go in for a smoke. 319 00:14:48,204 --> 00:14:54,284 Speaker 2: I remember the boss, Dobbo, me and Gibbo because I 320 00:14:54,284 --> 00:14:58,244 Speaker 2: know this story. He goes, he says, are you guys 321 00:14:58,244 --> 00:15:01,724 Speaker 2: coming in for a smoke? And no, but I'll go 322 00:15:01,844 --> 00:15:02,844 Speaker 2: in for a shit. 323 00:15:04,524 --> 00:15:05,404 Speaker 1: A social poop. 324 00:15:06,284 --> 00:15:08,804 Speaker 2: Yes, we're having a smoke, and Gibbo's just in the 325 00:15:09,644 --> 00:15:10,444 Speaker 2: having a Barrington. 326 00:15:10,964 --> 00:15:14,124 Speaker 1: My youngest son was working at a pub and it 327 00:15:14,204 --> 00:15:16,404 Speaker 1: annoyed him that he didn't like the idea that half 328 00:15:16,404 --> 00:15:18,924 Speaker 1: the cubicles were taken up by people doing drugs right 329 00:15:18,964 --> 00:15:21,524 Speaker 1: when he's trying to work. So he'd go on his break, 330 00:15:21,604 --> 00:15:23,564 Speaker 1: sit on his phone and do a number two and 331 00:15:23,604 --> 00:15:27,164 Speaker 1: people were snorting expensive drugs all around him while he 332 00:15:27,244 --> 00:15:29,564 Speaker 1: was just stinking up the place. That was his kind 333 00:15:29,604 --> 00:15:30,284 Speaker 1: of revenge. 334 00:15:30,924 --> 00:15:32,764 Speaker 4: And that's the weird thing where you say Cavali. You know, 335 00:15:32,764 --> 00:15:36,484 Speaker 4: I'm a big mate mate tone. We're one day at 336 00:15:36,484 --> 00:15:39,444 Speaker 4: his house and he lives just down the ray from 337 00:15:39,484 --> 00:15:42,324 Speaker 4: a pizza hut, and we're getting pizzas. So we walked 338 00:15:42,324 --> 00:15:44,484 Speaker 4: down to the pizza hut and while we're to pick 339 00:15:44,524 --> 00:15:45,924 Speaker 4: up the pizza and the guy said, oh, mate, there'll 340 00:15:45,924 --> 00:15:48,484 Speaker 4: be another six or seven minutes, and he goes, I'll 341 00:15:48,484 --> 00:15:50,004 Speaker 4: just go next door to the dunny. I said, we're 342 00:15:50,004 --> 00:15:51,844 Speaker 4: just at your house, and he goes, yeah, I'll go 343 00:15:51,924 --> 00:15:56,124 Speaker 4: to do a shit, which Brandon please. So that's him 344 00:15:56,164 --> 00:16:00,444 Speaker 4: talking of course sorry, And I said, hey, god, your house. 345 00:16:00,284 --> 00:16:03,284 Speaker 2: Is like literally one hundred meters away. Why wouldn't you 346 00:16:03,324 --> 00:16:05,324 Speaker 2: wait till you got home? And he didn't care. 347 00:16:05,364 --> 00:16:07,924 Speaker 4: He just picked up Drum magazine and walked into the 348 00:16:07,964 --> 00:16:12,804 Speaker 4: pub toilet for a pub poop. Who does that except 349 00:16:12,884 --> 00:16:13,244 Speaker 4: your son? 350 00:16:13,284 --> 00:16:15,844 Speaker 1: In big tone, Well, my son was working, didn't have 351 00:16:15,884 --> 00:16:16,284 Speaker 1: an option. 352 00:16:16,524 --> 00:16:17,644 Speaker 2: Yeah, but didn't you have to go? 353 00:16:17,764 --> 00:16:21,164 Speaker 4: And it wasn't a situation you had to go to 354 00:16:21,444 --> 00:16:24,324 Speaker 4: a pub at inner city pub and do a number two? 355 00:16:25,324 --> 00:16:28,044 Speaker 1: Yeah you were telling me about it, Okay, you don't 356 00:16:28,084 --> 00:16:31,724 Speaker 1: share the news. People to think I don't have normal 357 00:16:31,764 --> 00:16:32,604 Speaker 1: bodily function. 358 00:16:32,724 --> 00:16:34,484 Speaker 4: You didn't walk in a drum media though, you walked 359 00:16:34,524 --> 00:16:37,444 Speaker 4: in with the form guide. 360 00:16:39,444 --> 00:16:41,324 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this delightful conversation. 361 00:16:41,964 --> 00:16:48,604 Speaker 4: Sorry on the cutting room floor, the stuff that we 362 00:16:48,644 --> 00:16:50,364 Speaker 4: couldn't get to on today's show. 363 00:16:50,564 --> 00:16:54,604 Speaker 1: Who asked you a simple question? Do you practice witchcraft? 364 00:16:55,084 --> 00:16:59,084 Speaker 1: You don't think you do, but maybe you do, and 365 00:16:59,324 --> 00:17:03,364 Speaker 1: maybe you have. Do you want me to keep going 366 00:17:03,364 --> 00:17:03,884 Speaker 1: with theatric? 367 00:17:04,283 --> 00:17:07,884 Speaker 4: I don't know my over selling getting the villagers together here. 368 00:17:07,964 --> 00:17:10,843 Speaker 1: I want to put your head on a stick. Well, 369 00:17:11,124 --> 00:17:13,964 Speaker 1: these are I saw a list of these childhood habits 370 00:17:13,964 --> 00:17:18,044 Speaker 1: that were actually witchcraft, childhood habits that we did as kids, 371 00:17:18,044 --> 00:17:19,724 Speaker 1: and our kids probably did them too, But I'll tell 372 00:17:19,724 --> 00:17:23,684 Speaker 1: you what their origins were. Sleeping with a favorite stuffed animal. 373 00:17:24,204 --> 00:17:27,804 Speaker 1: Every kid does that, but apparently this wasn't just comfort, 374 00:17:28,364 --> 00:17:31,924 Speaker 1: it was spell work for protection. Should we have some 375 00:17:31,964 --> 00:17:36,564 Speaker 1: oogity boogide music and some ethereal music, probably some ethereal 376 00:17:36,644 --> 00:17:41,364 Speaker 1: music the theme from Bewitched. 377 00:17:41,604 --> 00:17:46,084 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a witch, hot witch, too compliant. 378 00:17:46,164 --> 00:17:47,804 Speaker 2: She was a compliant, She's a witch. 379 00:17:47,804 --> 00:17:50,524 Speaker 1: She would do the housework all right, and she wouldn't. 380 00:17:50,244 --> 00:17:53,204 Speaker 4: Use her magic powers, although if I was married to her, 381 00:17:53,404 --> 00:17:56,124 Speaker 4: I would say that, Okay, honey, let's conjurrupt some. 382 00:17:56,404 --> 00:17:57,803 Speaker 1: What would you conjure up more money so I had 383 00:17:57,804 --> 00:18:00,724 Speaker 1: a better house? Yeah, animal, if she could conjure up something, 384 00:18:00,764 --> 00:18:02,244 Speaker 1: wouldn't she have a more handsome husband? 385 00:18:03,244 --> 00:18:05,004 Speaker 2: I thought he was all right? 386 00:18:05,284 --> 00:18:11,364 Speaker 1: Nah, iteration and iteration too were both ugly. 387 00:18:11,484 --> 00:18:13,724 Speaker 2: Well, they were both Dick York and then Dick Sergeant. 388 00:18:13,764 --> 00:18:18,684 Speaker 1: They changed dis She liked Dick but needed a different one, Dick. 389 00:18:18,804 --> 00:18:23,604 Speaker 1: Let's get let's get baked to this sleeping with a 390 00:18:23,724 --> 00:18:25,964 Speaker 1: favorite stuffed animal. It wasn't just comfort, as I said, 391 00:18:25,964 --> 00:18:29,964 Speaker 1: It was spell work for protection. Children intuitively charge objects 392 00:18:30,004 --> 00:18:34,244 Speaker 1: with emotion, turning them into guardians, and it's an adult. 393 00:18:34,284 --> 00:18:36,364 Speaker 1: You can recreate this by keeping a small charm or 394 00:18:36,444 --> 00:18:40,164 Speaker 1: crystal on your pillow, letting it absorb your energy each night. 395 00:18:40,204 --> 00:18:42,884 Speaker 2: Do you do that? Brendan Matt Brocky was into the crystals. 396 00:18:42,924 --> 00:18:45,004 Speaker 2: Remember I think that's been holding. 397 00:18:44,724 --> 00:18:46,204 Speaker 4: The cut him loose when he said, you know what, 398 00:18:46,404 --> 00:18:49,043 Speaker 4: We've got to put some crystals in the cars and holding. 399 00:18:49,524 --> 00:18:51,564 Speaker 2: Okay, mate, maybe you can just get Peter. 400 00:18:52,044 --> 00:18:54,324 Speaker 1: They would just get a girl called Crystal to sit 401 00:18:54,364 --> 00:18:54,804 Speaker 1: in the car. 402 00:18:55,604 --> 00:18:57,244 Speaker 2: I think that was the problem. 403 00:18:57,284 --> 00:19:01,204 Speaker 1: That what about this one? Wishing on the first Star? 404 00:19:01,804 --> 00:19:04,924 Speaker 1: Classic celestial magic, and you know it's old world magic 405 00:19:04,924 --> 00:19:09,884 Speaker 1: because it's spelled m A g ic K. Children believe 406 00:19:09,924 --> 00:19:13,844 Speaker 1: the first Star listens more closely, and many traditions say 407 00:19:13,884 --> 00:19:17,684 Speaker 1: it does. You can return to this by speaking one clear, 408 00:19:17,684 --> 00:19:20,844 Speaker 1: simple wish to the night sky and trusting the timing. 409 00:19:21,524 --> 00:19:23,164 Speaker 2: Remind me when it's bin night. 410 00:19:24,204 --> 00:19:28,204 Speaker 1: Blowing on dandelions. You thought this was just making a wish, 411 00:19:28,404 --> 00:19:31,283 Speaker 1: but blowing dandelion seeds is an old form of air 412 00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:34,364 Speaker 1: magic with a K on the end. Each seed carries 413 00:19:34,404 --> 00:19:37,884 Speaker 1: your intention into the universe. You can do it consciously 414 00:19:37,924 --> 00:19:40,204 Speaker 1: now by whispering what you want and visualizing the seeds 415 00:19:40,204 --> 00:19:44,444 Speaker 1: delivering it to the right place. Making potions out of 416 00:19:44,524 --> 00:19:47,284 Speaker 1: leaves and petals. Have you ever done that? No, I've 417 00:19:47,284 --> 00:19:47,644 Speaker 1: seen you. 418 00:19:47,604 --> 00:19:49,724 Speaker 2: Cook when I was at art school with the gets 419 00:19:49,724 --> 00:19:52,563 Speaker 2: some waves in wed what Brendan nothing? 420 00:19:53,444 --> 00:19:56,763 Speaker 1: This was your first bit of kitchen witchcraft. Kids, stir, combine, 421 00:19:56,804 --> 00:20:00,004 Speaker 1: and mix with pure intention, which is the essence of spellcraft. 422 00:20:00,564 --> 00:20:03,324 Speaker 1: Try recreating this energy by making a simple herb infusion 423 00:20:03,364 --> 00:20:05,564 Speaker 1: while focusing on what you want to call in interesting 424 00:20:05,564 --> 00:20:07,844 Speaker 1: as they say, they call it witchcraft when women healed 425 00:20:07,884 --> 00:20:09,604 Speaker 1: with herbs, but science and a man put it in 426 00:20:09,644 --> 00:20:15,044 Speaker 1: a pill right on staring into the rain from a window. 427 00:20:15,444 --> 00:20:20,523 Speaker 1: This is early scrying, s c R. Why I and 428 00:20:20,604 --> 00:20:24,604 Speaker 1: you haven't heard across gazing into natural movement to slip 429 00:20:24,644 --> 00:20:26,364 Speaker 1: into a soft intuitive state. 430 00:20:26,484 --> 00:20:27,323 Speaker 2: It's nice, isn't it. 431 00:20:27,484 --> 00:20:29,684 Speaker 1: You can bring this back by sitting quietly during rainfall, 432 00:20:29,764 --> 00:20:32,444 Speaker 1: letting your mind wander upon clarity. Blah blah blah, blah blah. 433 00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:34,523 Speaker 1: I've got one of those apps that I've downloaded. I 434 00:20:34,524 --> 00:20:36,803 Speaker 1: haven't had to use it yet, that we recreate the 435 00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:37,684 Speaker 1: sound of rain. 436 00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,084 Speaker 2: And you do you use that? 437 00:20:40,164 --> 00:20:40,283 Speaker 5: No? 438 00:20:40,324 --> 00:20:43,244 Speaker 1: Because it makes me anxious. I haven't closed the forgola. 439 00:20:47,004 --> 00:20:49,044 Speaker 2: This one. You don't You for gola open all night? 440 00:20:49,404 --> 00:20:53,044 Speaker 1: Talking to the moon stop that, That's what I say. 441 00:20:54,004 --> 00:20:57,444 Speaker 2: Kids do that. 442 00:20:57,604 --> 00:21:00,044 Speaker 1: Kids naturally speak to the moon because if it listens, 443 00:21:00,044 --> 00:21:04,524 Speaker 1: because energetically it does. I've never spoken, well, you would 444 00:21:04,524 --> 00:21:05,084 Speaker 1: have as a kid. 445 00:21:05,644 --> 00:21:06,364 Speaker 2: I know I didn't. 446 00:21:06,684 --> 00:21:08,724 Speaker 4: I know myself as a kid, I speak to any 447 00:21:08,724 --> 00:21:10,404 Speaker 4: of the and I never spoke. 448 00:21:10,164 --> 00:21:10,644 Speaker 2: To the moon. 449 00:21:10,764 --> 00:21:13,164 Speaker 1: I've seen I imagine you, as a kid would have 450 00:21:13,164 --> 00:21:16,004 Speaker 1: looked for the man in the moon. Yeah, definitely, And 451 00:21:16,044 --> 00:21:19,644 Speaker 1: I reckon your neighbors would have stopped you mooning. Collecting 452 00:21:19,684 --> 00:21:23,724 Speaker 1: special rocks was your first crystal practice. I can see 453 00:21:23,764 --> 00:21:26,244 Speaker 1: you getting bored. How about one more? Drawing symbols on 454 00:21:26,284 --> 00:21:29,363 Speaker 1: a fogged up window? D and B doesn't count, Brendon, 455 00:21:29,844 --> 00:21:34,283 Speaker 1: you were unknowingly casting siggles, sigils, s I g oh, 456 00:21:34,284 --> 00:21:37,004 Speaker 1: don't yet, don't wrap me up? S I G I 457 00:21:37,124 --> 00:21:41,364 Speaker 1: l s. Kids draw hearts, swells and shapes that carry emotional. 458 00:21:41,044 --> 00:21:43,164 Speaker 2: Meaning and a good old D n B. 459 00:21:44,204 --> 00:21:45,204 Speaker 1: Why do I bother? 460 00:21:46,324 --> 00:21:51,763 Speaker 2: Maybe should go and talk to Uranus bee witch bee 461 00:21:51,764 --> 00:22:14,724 Speaker 2: witch be witch be witch bee witch on the cutting 462 00:22:14,804 --> 00:22:15,724 Speaker 2: room floor today. 463 00:22:16,084 --> 00:22:18,523 Speaker 1: Now this probably is rage bait, but I'm going to 464 00:22:18,564 --> 00:22:22,404 Speaker 1: read it out anyway. Testos, which is a UK supermarket, 465 00:22:23,004 --> 00:22:27,164 Speaker 1: has renamed its Christmas trees evergreen Trees, and they're calling 466 00:22:27,244 --> 00:22:32,803 Speaker 1: Christmas cake fruitcake, and people are saying, why are you 467 00:22:32,844 --> 00:22:37,884 Speaker 1: stripping us of our traditions discuss Furious customers have branded 468 00:22:37,884 --> 00:22:41,804 Speaker 1: the store hypocritical, suggesting it's rebranding Christmas. But someone has said, hey, 469 00:22:41,804 --> 00:22:44,004 Speaker 1: test Gooes, you don't want to have Christmas anymore, but 470 00:22:44,044 --> 00:22:47,603 Speaker 1: you'll still take our money, you know all that. 471 00:22:47,644 --> 00:22:50,924 Speaker 4: Yes, I was in at my local km art store 472 00:22:51,004 --> 00:22:55,244 Speaker 4: and they had festive tree instead of Christmas tree. 473 00:22:56,044 --> 00:22:58,924 Speaker 1: What percentage of our population. I know we're multicultural and 474 00:22:59,004 --> 00:23:04,044 Speaker 1: different religions, etc. And people who don't have religious affiliations, but. 475 00:23:04,044 --> 00:23:06,004 Speaker 2: I think celebrate Christmas. 476 00:23:06,244 --> 00:23:09,763 Speaker 1: But people would still accept the nature of a Christmas 477 00:23:09,804 --> 00:23:11,484 Speaker 1: tree at Christmas. You either have one or you don't. 478 00:23:11,484 --> 00:23:13,724 Speaker 1: No one's you don't need to rename them. 479 00:23:13,764 --> 00:23:15,844 Speaker 2: No, And you're right about the rage bait. 480 00:23:15,884 --> 00:23:17,644 Speaker 4: I don't know if then this is when it comes 481 00:23:17,644 --> 00:23:19,444 Speaker 4: down to virtual virtue signaling. 482 00:23:19,484 --> 00:23:20,924 Speaker 2: When big corporation. 483 00:23:20,564 --> 00:23:22,524 Speaker 4: Does that mean, Well, it means that, hang on, I'm 484 00:23:22,564 --> 00:23:26,204 Speaker 4: going to before there's any offense taken right or caused, 485 00:23:26,284 --> 00:23:28,604 Speaker 4: I'm going to nip it in the butt and that 486 00:23:28,684 --> 00:23:29,083 Speaker 4: happens all. 487 00:23:29,724 --> 00:23:31,323 Speaker 1: I saw a story this week and I'm glad we 488 00:23:31,364 --> 00:23:34,244 Speaker 1: didn't do it on our show. Some other radio stations did. 489 00:23:35,244 --> 00:23:37,564 Speaker 1: Now we're being asked to ask our babies permission before 490 00:23:37,604 --> 00:23:40,964 Speaker 1: you change a nappy. It's just rage bait. The papers 491 00:23:41,044 --> 00:23:43,484 Speaker 1: lean into this too. There'll be one person who wants 492 00:23:43,524 --> 00:23:46,524 Speaker 1: to stop kids singing Christmas carols and that'll be the headline. 493 00:23:46,524 --> 00:23:48,364 Speaker 4: Well, there was one time, keep it in perspective on 494 00:23:48,364 --> 00:23:51,004 Speaker 4: the talk back radio stations. I had a thing about 495 00:23:51,044 --> 00:23:53,564 Speaker 4: how they were going to cancel Easter East was gone, 496 00:23:55,124 --> 00:23:55,804 Speaker 4: and that was the thing. 497 00:23:56,044 --> 00:23:57,363 Speaker 2: And then when you got to the number of it, 498 00:23:57,404 --> 00:23:58,563 Speaker 2: no one had suggested it. 499 00:23:58,684 --> 00:23:58,884 Speaker 1: No. 500 00:23:58,964 --> 00:24:01,964 Speaker 2: But what it does is people buy into it. They 501 00:24:02,004 --> 00:24:04,763 Speaker 2: ring up the radio station, they're outraged. I can't believe this. 502 00:24:04,924 --> 00:24:08,204 Speaker 1: You know, the media outlets like we feel, we feel 503 00:24:08,204 --> 00:24:11,004 Speaker 1: three hours a day. Media outlets and content creators are 504 00:24:11,044 --> 00:24:13,644 Speaker 1: looking for stuff to talk about constantly, so they lean 505 00:24:13,684 --> 00:24:15,204 Speaker 1: into this stuff because it fills the space. 506 00:24:15,244 --> 00:24:17,124 Speaker 4: Well, we could make up all sorts of stuff, and 507 00:24:17,164 --> 00:24:18,364 Speaker 4: this is what Joe Rogan does. 508 00:24:18,604 --> 00:24:20,724 Speaker 2: Joe Rogan is very good as a podcaster. 509 00:24:20,724 --> 00:24:23,283 Speaker 4: Of what he does is he asks people's questions about 510 00:24:23,364 --> 00:24:27,684 Speaker 4: anything from vaccine efficacy to Donald Trump's election campaign chance 511 00:24:28,044 --> 00:24:30,124 Speaker 4: and what he does he tells people what they. 512 00:24:29,964 --> 00:24:33,564 Speaker 2: Want to hear. So in a way, we could quite 513 00:24:33,604 --> 00:24:34,644 Speaker 2: easily be like that. 514 00:24:34,844 --> 00:24:37,164 Speaker 4: We could say, oh, you know, the vaccines that they 515 00:24:37,244 --> 00:24:39,084 Speaker 4: do cause autism or whatever. 516 00:24:39,604 --> 00:24:41,444 Speaker 2: We could say any of those things. But I don't know. 517 00:24:41,524 --> 00:24:43,564 Speaker 2: I'm not a scientist. I'm just a radio DJ. 518 00:24:43,844 --> 00:24:47,043 Speaker 1: But I do I do appreciate the science. 519 00:24:46,804 --> 00:24:47,684 Speaker 2: Of course, you understand. 520 00:24:48,364 --> 00:24:51,043 Speaker 1: But I take this job as a broadcaster. I think 521 00:24:51,084 --> 00:24:54,563 Speaker 1: it's a privilege, and I take it with the responsibility. 522 00:24:54,844 --> 00:24:56,324 Speaker 1: I know, we like our poo and our wee jokes 523 00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:59,444 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, but the information matters 524 00:24:59,444 --> 00:25:05,084 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, And I do not want to disseminate misinformation. 525 00:25:05,764 --> 00:25:07,763 Speaker 4: But I've noticed there's a lot of rage bait in 526 00:25:07,804 --> 00:25:12,004 Speaker 4: the motorcycling world, particularly from various social media posts. 527 00:25:12,124 --> 00:25:14,124 Speaker 2: They'll have a car cut me off, you know. 528 00:25:14,164 --> 00:25:17,484 Speaker 4: Because everyone's got a helmet cam now, and you can 529 00:25:17,524 --> 00:25:20,124 Speaker 4: see the car coming from miles away, and the ride 530 00:25:20,204 --> 00:25:22,884 Speaker 4: is blowing up to likes, and you think, is he 531 00:25:22,964 --> 00:25:25,484 Speaker 4: doing that just to get rage bait because people go, oh, 532 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:29,004 Speaker 4: that's outrageous that this car has cut this motorcycle earth off. 533 00:25:29,044 --> 00:25:31,604 Speaker 4: But in actual fact, the motorcycle has no doubt seeing 534 00:25:31,604 --> 00:25:34,684 Speaker 4: the car. The car certainly hasn't seen him, because that's 535 00:25:34,764 --> 00:25:37,204 Speaker 4: just what happens when you're on a motorcycle. But there's 536 00:25:37,204 --> 00:25:40,804 Speaker 4: this victim mentality which gets put out and becomes rage bait. 537 00:25:41,004 --> 00:25:44,004 Speaker 2: So therefore you get more clicks, more likes, more followers. 538 00:25:44,124 --> 00:25:50,004 Speaker 1: And not just that, the tech companies themselves know that 539 00:25:50,084 --> 00:25:53,604 Speaker 1: people lean in to conflict and anxiety. Exactly, you stay 540 00:25:53,604 --> 00:25:56,924 Speaker 1: online longer and they make more money that way. And 541 00:25:56,964 --> 00:25:59,563 Speaker 1: so even simple things like a woman I saw the 542 00:25:59,604 --> 00:26:05,484 Speaker 1: other day who was making a tiramassu in her vegetable crisp. Yeah, 543 00:26:05,804 --> 00:26:07,884 Speaker 1: and she said, look how effective this is. And you 544 00:26:07,924 --> 00:26:08,804 Speaker 1: know it's just to in fly. 545 00:26:09,244 --> 00:26:10,524 Speaker 2: It's just rage bait. 546 00:26:10,564 --> 00:26:13,564 Speaker 4: And now remember the old days when you had you 547 00:26:13,644 --> 00:26:15,724 Speaker 4: just followed what you followed, that would all pop up 548 00:26:15,764 --> 00:26:19,124 Speaker 4: in your feed. Now the algorithm just gives you whatever 549 00:26:19,404 --> 00:26:22,283 Speaker 4: that you click on, good, bad or ugly. If you 550 00:26:22,364 --> 00:26:25,804 Speaker 4: click on it, that picks up your what you're into. 551 00:26:25,924 --> 00:26:29,964 Speaker 1: And you know what, Apparently your screen it follows your 552 00:26:30,004 --> 00:26:33,164 Speaker 1: finger scrolling. So even if you're clicking on something just 553 00:26:33,204 --> 00:26:36,164 Speaker 1: out of curiosity, it will register that, which is why 554 00:26:36,244 --> 00:26:37,244 Speaker 1: you get flooded. 555 00:26:36,844 --> 00:26:37,563 Speaker 2: With more and more of it. 556 00:26:37,924 --> 00:26:41,763 Speaker 1: So I try not to lean into my lower self 557 00:26:41,804 --> 00:26:44,523 Speaker 1: by clicking on clickbait yep, because that just feeds on it. 558 00:26:44,524 --> 00:26:48,284 Speaker 4: But also on that on have you seen those all 559 00:26:48,324 --> 00:26:51,444 Speaker 4: those phone bots. So you've got places like China where 560 00:26:51,484 --> 00:26:56,204 Speaker 4: they've got just banks and banks of phones, Android phones, 561 00:26:56,604 --> 00:27:00,523 Speaker 4: and there I've got fake Instagram accounts and their ais 562 00:27:00,764 --> 00:27:04,124 Speaker 4: making them comment, So they're fighting with each other, fighting 563 00:27:04,164 --> 00:27:04,644 Speaker 4: with humans. 564 00:27:04,644 --> 00:27:08,324 Speaker 1: So if it's not for political gain or what's its gain, 565 00:27:08,484 --> 00:27:09,843 Speaker 1: is it just to keep people online? 566 00:27:09,924 --> 00:27:12,964 Speaker 4: Long y, Yes, And it's all about advertising as sure 567 00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,604 Speaker 4: as we do. And we're probably a bit more thick 568 00:27:15,644 --> 00:27:17,884 Speaker 4: skinned about it because we've been in this business for 569 00:27:17,884 --> 00:27:20,244 Speaker 4: a long time. And when I first started, they used 570 00:27:20,244 --> 00:27:23,964 Speaker 4: to say sell the sizzle, not the steak. So the 571 00:27:24,044 --> 00:27:26,283 Speaker 4: thing was about what the smell of the steak is. 572 00:27:26,324 --> 00:27:28,724 Speaker 4: It's not about the actual the actual steak. That's not 573 00:27:28,764 --> 00:27:32,404 Speaker 4: what you're selling. You want people to go five minutes 574 00:27:32,444 --> 00:27:35,364 Speaker 4: more so someone will listen to this, and you want 575 00:27:35,444 --> 00:27:38,204 Speaker 4: them to stick around, so they have to listen to 576 00:27:38,364 --> 00:27:40,803 Speaker 4: five minutes of ads and then they'll come back. You 577 00:27:40,884 --> 00:27:43,444 Speaker 4: have to be that compelling that people will come through. 578 00:27:43,804 --> 00:27:46,244 Speaker 4: What's happened in time. Now you've got pop ups that 579 00:27:46,284 --> 00:27:48,204 Speaker 4: come up on your screen. There's all sorts of different 580 00:27:48,284 --> 00:27:51,364 Speaker 4: advertising that pops up, but it's all part of the algorithm. 581 00:27:51,404 --> 00:27:53,164 Speaker 1: I stopped listening when you said steak because I'm a 582 00:27:53,164 --> 00:27:55,684 Speaker 1: little bit hungry. So who's selling that steak? 583 00:27:55,724 --> 00:27:59,644 Speaker 2: Then Boon Star Steakhouse and Salot that I waited for. 584 00:27:59,604 --> 00:28:14,444 Speaker 5: That awesome more Jonesy and Unmanas honing 585 00:28:16,204 --> 00:28:16,604 Speaker 2: Floor