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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. Coming up on the program,

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Speaker 1: we delve into the psychology of hate following, why the

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Speaker 1: brownlow has become big business for wags, and the X

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Speaker 1: rated batchy interview that got tongues wagging. But first, how

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Speaker 1: was you week? Amy? Oh? My week has been so

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Speaker 1: hectic and it's only Tuesday, so I'm pretty wrecked. So

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Speaker 1: apologies for anything silly I say on tonight's podcast, But

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Speaker 1: I was up till three point thirty in the morning

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Speaker 1: finishing off work and also something an exciting project that

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Speaker 1: we've been working on that we can't say too much about.

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Speaker 1: How's that for clickbaiting? An exciting project that we can't

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Speaker 1: say anything about. Oh, I know, I know. Sorry, we'd

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Speaker 1: love to, but we can't. And you may notice that

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Speaker 1: Kate's not here tonight. She's got thirty six's media manager, Judy,

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Speaker 1: So you guys are just stuck with us. So let's

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Speaker 1: get onto the first topic. Hate following has become a

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Speaker 1: guilty modern pastime. Whether it's that girl from UNI you

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Speaker 1: lost touch with, the colleague who's always nosing the boss,

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Speaker 1: that influencer who floods your feed with shameless bikini picks,

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Speaker 1: or your boyfriend's ex. You don't know why you do it,

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Speaker 1: but we take so much pleasure in irritating ourselves with

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Speaker 1: their behavior. So why do we get such a sick,

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Speaker 1: twisted pleasure from engaging and investing emotions into someone we

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Speaker 1: can't stand amy. Is there someone that you hate follow? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a bit personal, Zovie. You don't have to say names,

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Speaker 1: maybe just genres of what they do. I think I

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Speaker 1: think everybody hate follows. I of course have people on

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Speaker 1: my Instagram that I don't know. I yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: really I get either envious of their life or I

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Speaker 1: don't like them, but I find myself looking at their

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Speaker 1: content all the time. Well, generally we do hate follow

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Speaker 1: our peers the most. So there's actually there's a term

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Speaker 1: for it, which is a manual stalk. So this means

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Speaker 1: it's a manual stalk, so you don't even follow the person,

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Speaker 1: but you are seeking this person out all the time,

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Speaker 1: just in an effort to see what they've been up to.

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Speaker 1: Some people do go next level with that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of people who do the whole manual stalk

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Speaker 1: that you're talking about, and they'll actually go onto their

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Speaker 1: stories because there was a time when people actually didn't

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Speaker 1: know that your photo actually pops up in people's Insta stories.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that a frightening moment when that came out. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have a confession. I do have a fake Instagram

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Speaker 1: account that I do use to stalk people that I

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Speaker 1: do not like. I know you, I know you've had

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Speaker 1: that for a while. I don't know the log in details,

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Speaker 1: so I got to get on it. I think it

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Speaker 1: makes sense though. It gives you the freedom to look

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Speaker 1: at anyone's stories you like. It does get sussed sometimes though.

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Speaker 1: If you do have a really good look at your

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Speaker 1: Insta stories and a name that you have no idea

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Speaker 1: who it is keeps popping up, you can get sort

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Speaker 1: of I suppose exposed in that way. I think as well,

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy hate following people on YouTube or influencers

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Speaker 1: whose lives are envy. Yeah, with some of the people,

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Speaker 1: it's not like I overly envy their life, but just

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Speaker 1: I have found myself in the past staying up till

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Speaker 1: this trap where you keep looking at people's pages who

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Speaker 1: myself looking at either wags or YouTubers, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I get such a sick kick even looking at their

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day photos. I know that sounds so weird. Well,

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Speaker 1: I will sit through entire YouTube videos of people I

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Speaker 1: don't even enjoy, just to sit and tisskin, to roll

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Speaker 1: my eyes and to just feel like I'm better than them. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is a guilty pleasure. I think of yours and

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Speaker 1: Kate's and mine, especially together when we catch up. We

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Speaker 1: just kind of make snide remarks. So I was reading

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Speaker 1: an article by a man repeller and there are actually

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Speaker 1: three types of hate following. It's the self righteous, the jealous,

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Speaker 1: and the scapegoat. So which one do you think you

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Speaker 1: are amy? What's the scapegoat? So the scapegoat is a

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Speaker 1: cycle logical mechanism that people use where they are kind

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Speaker 1: of in a state of denial and they're projecting responsibility

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Speaker 1: or blame on others. So you kind of late you

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Speaker 1: kind of have negative feelings about this person to kind

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Speaker 1: of get a sense of gratification about yourself. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I suppose I've done that in the past, where there'll

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Ohio State University study found that when people

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Speaker 1: feel most vulnerable, that's likely that's when they're more likely

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Speaker 1: as less than them in some way. That's interesting, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it kind of fits into this theory of social comparison.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to be looking up people's pages that

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Speaker 1: you done that? Of course I have. I think everyone's

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Speaker 1: trying to think if I I've looked up people like

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Speaker 1: it's like sometimes I just randomly think of people from

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Speaker 1: school or you know, previous workplaces or something and think, oh,

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Speaker 1: makes them look good, so that's a strange thing about it.

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Speaker 1: The jealousy hate following is an interesting one too, because

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Speaker 1: there is kind of satisfying feeling with it, like, even

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Speaker 1: though you're incredibly jealous and intimidated or even envious of

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Speaker 1: better because you're inside your feeling insecure that you don't

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Speaker 1: have something that they've achieved or you don't look like them,

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Speaker 1: to somehow make yourself feel a little bit better. I

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Speaker 1: reckon I'm more the self righteous one where I'll look

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Speaker 1: believe they've posted that, like how arrogant or something. I

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Speaker 1: scrutinize someone else's behavior and have a bit of a

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Speaker 1: holier than our attitude. So maybe that does fit you well, Amy,

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Speaker 1: well we've got I don't think I'm holy of a maw,

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Speaker 1: but I think that everybody who listens to this would

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Speaker 1: to sort of look, you know, look at other people's

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Speaker 1: we engage in consume people or things that we don't

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Speaker 1: like as a way of exploring our own identity. So

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Speaker 1: within that self righteous hate following, you're kind of judging

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Speaker 1: this person for not having the same values that align

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Speaker 1: with you. So you learn more about your values by

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Speaker 1: scrutinizing them. As funny as that may, so it's quite

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Speaker 1: educational hate following, that's right. It was funny because our

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Speaker 1: dad was telling us the other week. It's about some

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Speaker 1: radio program that he listens to, and every time I

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Speaker 1: said to him, Dad, I actually think that you hate

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Speaker 1: listen to the radio station. So it's like even older

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Speaker 1: people I feel like a hate following in their own

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Speaker 1: way for sure. And there is actually really interesting research

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Speaker 1: by doctor Leslie Prince, who says it's much easier to

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Speaker 1: oppose something than propose something new. So, for instance, with

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Speaker 1: our dad, we generally find it easier to say who

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Speaker 1: like that's a bit like with The Bachelor, though, because

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Speaker 1: judging those women intensely, and it becomes even remembering their names.

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Speaker 1: Early on. It's always like, oh that girl that did

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Speaker 1: A Psychologists say there is also an element where we're

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Speaker 1: addicted to drama without hate following how so well, they

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Speaker 1: believe that humans can form an addiction to chaos and drama,

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Speaker 1: which I think something with something so so Basically, social

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Speaker 1: do find it interesting when I'm going and having a

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Speaker 1: life is imploding or well, we were talking about it

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Speaker 1: things that annoy you and you're almost waiting, Like, say

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Speaker 1: someone posts an Insta story and they're like showing off

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Speaker 1: particular person who we hate follow, I've got to admit it.

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Speaker 1: And when they don't post the content, you're like, fuck,

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Speaker 1: kind of this voyeuristic thing where, you know, we're all

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Speaker 1: there is a real voyeuristic approach to this hate following

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Speaker 1: something that I would do on the side. But I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it does sort of engulf some people's life if

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Speaker 1: it would have any sort of psychological effects on people? Well,

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Speaker 1: I do think it can give some people a false

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Speaker 1: So I feel like, if it's not really contributing anything

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Speaker 1: certain people. But on the other hand, some people do

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Speaker 1: find it as a form of relaxation. They're kind of

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Speaker 1: venting that they can do that. That's what I find.

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Speaker 1: We have to admit m you know, back in the day,

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Speaker 1: when we get back, when we get together with our bestie,

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Speaker 1: who will be listening to this, And I remember it

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Speaker 1: was so fun just to sort of look at other

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Speaker 1: people's instagrams and go, oh, yeah, that's what they're up to.

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Speaker 1: And maybe people you didn't like you had, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just I think it's just natural. We do want

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Speaker 1: to point out that hate following is of course very

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Speaker 1: different cotrolling. So hate following is obviously a bit more passive.

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Speaker 1: You're not actually leaving comments on people's things. It's not

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Speaker 1: very internalized. No, you're just watching from afar. And the

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Speaker 1: more attention to the people who I hate follow rather

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Speaker 1: than my friends Instagram accounts. And it's like, I think,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you start off hate following, but then actually really

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Speaker 1: Who's that Rebecca Judd had missed her first Brownlow since

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Speaker 1: been an appalling outfit to look back on. Well, Patti

428
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: should have never left the Crows anyway. So, finishing up

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Speaker 1: on this topic, do you think the word wag is

430
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Speaker 1: an offensive term these days or do you think that

431
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of evolved into something positive. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's an offensive term. I think that there's definitely

433
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Speaker 1: it definitely evokes an image when someone says wag, of

434
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Speaker 1: what a wag is meant to be like. But I

435
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that it's offensive. I think there are

436
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: some women who either love it or hate it. I

437
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: think a lot of the successful wags kind of take

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00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: ownership back over that word. But I think there's a

439
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: lot of wags who probably aren't very well known and

440
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: get painted with this brush of being gold diggers or

441
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: shallow or materialistic. Now moving on to our top headlines.

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Speaker 1: So the first reads Miley Cyrus reportedly broke up with

443
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Carter because it became too much too soon, and

444
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: that's from Elle magazine. What did you think of the split?

445
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: What a surprise? Yeah? Me, that wasn't a rebound at all.

446
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: That wasn't an attention seeking rebound. I honestly don't know

447
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 1: how serious that relationship actually was. To be honest, They're

448
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: probably friends who were consoling each other, you know, in

449
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: a tough time for both of them. So yeah, I

450
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: wasn't really surprised. I wonderful see some people now holding

451
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: a candle of hope that Liam and Miley would come

452
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: back together after this glitch. Well the article, she says

453
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Speaker 1: the reason for the split is because Miley doesn't want

454
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Speaker 1: a serious relationship and that she and Kitlyn spent every

455
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: day together and it just wasn't anything that Miley wanted

456
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 1: to continue doing. She wants to focus on her career

457
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: and moving on to our next headline, Lindsey Lohan is

458
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: savaged on Twitter for her clueless response to the mask

459
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: singer's big reveal, as fans say she deserves an Emmy

460
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: for pretending to recognize the local stars. And that's from

461
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. Have you been watching this trash? No?

462
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: I have not, but I'm shocked to say my prediction

463
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: that no one would tune in was completely wrong. This

464
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: show actually won the ratings. I got over a million viewers.

465
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: Does that not say a lot about society at the

466
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Speaker 1: moment and what we people must be finding interesting? People

467
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: must we hate following this show, I reckon, But so

468
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: what happened was, from what I've read and what I've

469
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: seen online, the singing Octopus ended up being Gretel Colleen, who,

470
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: of course she sing well apparently, and so people were

471
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: just losing it at home because Lindsay Lohan she had

472
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: this really confused look on her face when it was

473
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Speaker 1: revealed that it's Gretel Colleen, because come on, how is

474
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan expected to know who any of these apparent

475
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: Australian celebrities are. My favorite tweet was from someone who

476
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: compared her acting on the show to how great she

477
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: was on Parent Trap, and I thought that was hilarious

478
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: because that was one of her best movies. Someone also

479
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: pointed out that she was kind of just throwing around

480
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: names of well known Australian celebrities and that she clearly

481
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: didn't know who the actual person was, so she was like, oh,

482
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: is it Binge Owen? Is it Chris Lily? Is it Keith?

483
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: She know who Chrisly was? No, I reckon, she does that,

484
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty big following in America. Well, the

485
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: thing that I find utterly ridiculous is the stars are

486
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: clearly in the green room backstage, so they're all seeing

487
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: each other. How is this such a secret thing? Do

488
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: you know what? Though? I have to say, it's a

489
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: pretty good judging lineup, Like I love Jackie O. I

490
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: feel like Lindsay Lohan's a pretty interesting judge as well,

491
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: and then you're Hughesy. I'm sorry I even all that aside.

492
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not watching it. The next headline is coming soon.

493
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Bride and Prejudice's premiere date is confirmed as Channel seven

494
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: introduces the five new star crossed couples. And that's from

495
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. I am so excited for this. This

496
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: is my guilty pleasure, Bride and Prejudice. This show was

497
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: my life last year. And it's funny because I can't

498
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: remember any of the names of the people. I remember.

499
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Speaker 1: There was that really awful mother, the Lebanese mother. She

500
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: has the best Oh, I just wonder. I watched the

501
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: shorts for this, and the preview they showed was sort

502
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: of the mother, the mother in law from hell, and

503
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: she's got an issue with, of course, the guy that

504
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: her daughter's chosen to marry. And I just thought, how

505
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: do they even find these people? How do these people

506
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: watch last season show and say, hey, this is a

507
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: great idea, let's air some dirty laundry on primetime TV. Well,

508
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: it's funny because Bride and Prejudice, it's so different to,

509
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, someone who's going on married at first sight,

510
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: because often people get accused of just wanting an Instagram following.

511
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: But the people on here don't even get that. It's

512
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: like that seven year switch. It's kind of this almost.

513
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: It's almost reminds me of this old school genre of

514
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: reality shows. Maybe they do get brainwashed into thinking that

515
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: these psychologists are actually going to help them solve their problems. Yeah,

516
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: after we've aired all the dirty laundry, we count on television.

517
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: I for one though, am happy they've all decided to

518
00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: do that, because it's just the best moving on. The

519
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: Bachelor ended last week in spectacular fashion, with fan favorite

520
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: Chelsea winning the heart of Batchie Matt Agnew and while

521
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Abby's exit got tongues wagging when Batchy editors decided to

522
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: trick us all by showing Chelsea arriving first to see Matt.

523
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: It was an interview with Carl and Jackie. Oh that's

524
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: divided opinions, Amy, can you tell us what happened? Well,

525
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: Matt and Chelsea were interviewed, of course, by Carl and

526
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: Jackie Oh, and they got involved in a rather x

527
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: rated conversation which unsurprisingly was led by Kyle, and they

528
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: went into some quite graphic detail about their sex life,

529
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: which was I don't know, it was quite bizarre to

530
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: me because the whole time during The Bachelor Chelsea seemed

531
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: very quiet and reserved and she seemed like a totally

532
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: different person in this interview. Did it sound like it

533
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: happened whilst they were on the show or was it

534
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: very much after? So? Really? Yeah, so the couple they

535
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: were asked in a ray of intrusive questions such as

536
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: when did they actually consummate their relationship? And even what

537
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: does Matt's penis look like? So? Very high brow interview.

538
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: So they actually answered these questions? Yeah, so she when

539
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: did they consummate their relationships? Well, they revealed that basically

540
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: the Bachelor producers allowed them to have one extra night

541
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: in South Africa before flying back to Australia after the finale.

542
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Though yes, it was like the directly after the finale

543
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: wrapped up. Apparently they said they were making out on

544
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: the couch. Oh so they didn't actually have sex? Well,

545
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: there was other women involved still in the No No,

546
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: No No after the finale after he chosen her, And

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00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: I've heard that Chelsea even revealed details about the other

548
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: girls in the mansion, showing what another some private areas. Yeah,

549
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: so I thought that was so bizarre. So apparently there

550
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: was this rumor going around about how the girls had

551
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: a vagina showing party, and Chelsea confirmed that this was

552
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: in fact true, and it was kind of a moment

553
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: where she could have a humble brag telling everyone that

554
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: apparently she had a Barbie vagina, which I didn't even know.

555
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: Was that why matt Agne picked her? Well, I don't

556
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: know't know if he was involved in it, but even

557
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: that got quite graphic because they Kyle said, oh, so,

558
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: how did you guys, judge? Did you sit down and

559
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: spread your legs? And she was like, no, we just

560
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: pulled our pants down in front of each other. How

561
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: is that a thing? I'm sorry, I don't know if

562
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: there's anyone listening that has a vagina viewing party with

563
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: their friends, but that is something that I wouldn't even

564
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: do with those way, even with your sisters. I feel

565
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: like that would be weirder with your some people see

566
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: more open with being nude in front of each other.

567
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: What I have found quite intriguing about the whole vagina

568
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: party was a comment from one of the Batchy contestants

569
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: that was posted on Abby's Instagram post. So Abby took

570
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: to Instagram tonight with a rather interesting post about slut

571
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: shaming that we will get to in a sec. So

572
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: one of the contestants, her name's Jessica Brody, and to

573
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: be honest, I completely forgot who she was on The Bachelor.

574
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: She was I think the girl with the tattoos that

575
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: they brought in as intruders. She wrote, I showed you

576
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: my vagina within a week of knowing you, God forbid

577
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: you want to kiss the guy? So this vagina interviewing

578
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: have been Week one of The Bachelor. I can't say

579
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: I would have been involved in that if I was. No.

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00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably more interesting though than some of

581
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: the stuff they actually aired on The Bachelor. Can we

582
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: move on to Abby's post? It has only been released tonight.

583
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: What did she say in it? So? On Instagram, Abby

584
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: wrote things I got slut shamed for on the Bachelor.

585
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: This bikini, my sport at hometown, multiple cocktail party gowns,

586
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: kissing Matt without a date and at a cocktail party,

587
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: pashing Matt in various locations with varying degrees of intensity,

588
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: honestly admitting that I wanted to have sex with a

589
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: man I was dating for ten weeks and all around

590
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: just using sexuality to manipulate Matt. This is something I

591
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: did not expect in twenty nineteen. Sex is essential to

592
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: a successful relationship for me, as is sexual chemistry and

593
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: the ability to express that comfortably with my partner. I

594
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: saw commentary around my sexuality, calling out slut shaming and

595
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: a double standard regarding my pash sessions with Matt, with

596
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: responses of such shaming her she is just manipulative, dumb, aggressive,

597
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: only wanting sex. To insinuate that any relationship is less

598
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: valid because of a strong physical connection is counterteitive. The

599
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: defining factor between a platonic and romantic relationship is physical

600
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: expressions of affection. I saw many comments about me having

601
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: nothing between my ears and that I was so insecure

602
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: she can't talk to him so they just kiss. The

603
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: public see ten minutes of a twelve hour date. It

604
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: is insulting to both myself and Matt to assume he

605
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: took me right until the end, purely for a snog,

606
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and it does go on further, but that is the

607
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: most interesting part of the post. The way Abby was

608
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: portrayed had a lot to do with the editing that happened.

609
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: I was listening to Life on Cut by Laura Byrne,

610
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: which I absolutely love, and she was saying in the

611
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: final episode how she went on a date with Matt.

612
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember what location they're in, but she was

613
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: on a gondola and she said to Matt that she

614
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: would like to sit on his face. And she said

615
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: that she was just so sexually frustrated by being on

616
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Speaker 1: this show for twelve weeks that she just had to

617
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: say something, and luckily for her, the editors cut this out.

618
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: It's quite interesting that they would cut that out, though,

619
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: because they wanted to put the winner in this incredible light.

620
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: But we saw nothing really about Laura Burne on The Bachelor.

621
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: All I could remember was that she made jewelry. Well.

622
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: To be fair, the comment of sitting on Mattie Jay's

623
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: face seems a lot worse out of context than what

624
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: Abby has said. So it is really interesting that the

625
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: Bachelor producers have decided in twenty nineteen to present her

626
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: in this very sexualized, slut shaming way, And it would

627
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: be interesting if Matt had actually chosen Abby, whether the

628
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: editors would sorry, whether the producers actually would have chosen

629
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: to show her in that light, or maybe they would

630
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: have edited out some of the more risque things she said,

631
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: like they've done with Laura. What I find really interesting

632
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: is lovers of Love Island will know who I'm talking about.

633
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: Maura Higgins. She was an absolute hero on the show.

634
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Yet she was very much like Abby, very up front

635
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: with her sexuality, very confident in her sexuality. But women

636
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: love that. So it's really interesting on The Bachelor, obviously

637
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: a different program, that women in Australia seem to hate

638
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: this behavior. Do you know what, I reckon Abby's going

639
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: to go on Bachelor in Paradise and she's going to

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Speaker 1: do a Kira Maguire. I reckon everyone's going to love

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Speaker 1: her on that. And I think your comparison to Maura

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Speaker 1: Higgins from Love Island's quite interesting. I think if Maura

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Speaker 1: had been on a show like The Bachelor in Ireland

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Speaker 1: or in in England, she probably would have been portrayed

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Speaker 1: in a similar way. But because Love Island provides you

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Speaker 1: a one hour look at what's happening in the villa.

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Speaker 1: Each night, you get to see more of her personality.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like the more we see of Abby,

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Speaker 1: the more people are probably going to like her. I

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Speaker 1: think we should also remember that Abby is twenty three

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Speaker 1: years old. She's had so much unfair criticism thrown at her.

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Speaker 1: Look to be fair, I think what people didn't like

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Speaker 1: about Abby, and you know, while it might have been edited,

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Speaker 1: was the fact that she appeared to be all over

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Speaker 1: Matt in front of the other girls, and it didn't

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Speaker 1: seem like there was too much girl code going on.

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Speaker 1: But I also do see I suppose her side of

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Speaker 1: it that, of course her aim at being on the

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Speaker 1: Bachelor is actually to get to know Matt, and she

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Speaker 1: obviously wants to see if there is that connection between her,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds like they don't spend much time with

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Speaker 1: Matt at all. I suppose maybe it's easy to forget

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Speaker 1: that the cameras are there. I don't know, obviously, I

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Speaker 1: haven't been on the show. I don't know how close

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Speaker 1: to the cameras are. Well. Actually it was Helena came

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Speaker 1: out on Kyle and Jackie O and she was asked

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Speaker 1: about that uncomfortable kissing scene between Matt and Abbey where

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Speaker 1: she was grinding on him on the beach. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: and she said that she just felt uncomfortable watching the

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Speaker 1: preview and actually didn't watch the episode, and that she

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Speaker 1: was just kind of surprised that she'd be able to

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Speaker 1: do that and she'd be able to say what she

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Speaker 1: said on the show when there was she said, like

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Speaker 1: ten at least ten crew around, so cameras, producers, you know,

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Speaker 1: sound operators, everything. I just think that Abby raises such

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Speaker 1: a good point though. You know, we're living in this

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Speaker 1: society in twenty nineteen when we're very much urging people

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Speaker 1: women to stand up for themselves and be feminists and

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Speaker 1: be I suppose free with their sexuality. Yet we have

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Speaker 1: a huge problem when we've got someone in our face

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Speaker 1: doing it. It's funny because we haven't really heard any

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Speaker 1: criticism from Chelsea about being so overtly open to talking

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Speaker 1: about her intimate details with Matt, and it's almost like

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Speaker 1: it's fine, she can do whatever she wants if she

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Speaker 1: wants to talk about it. But there just seems to

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Speaker 1: be a lot of shade that's been thrown on Abby

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Speaker 1: wasn't Abby left in tears after this interview? Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: a very important point. I didn't mention was Abby did

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Speaker 1: a follow up interview with Kyle and Jackie O about

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Speaker 1: an hour after Kyle and Jackieo's chat with Matt and Chelsea,

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Speaker 1: and Kyle described basically how they'd consummated their relationship and

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Speaker 1: poor Abby was left in tears. And I did feel

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Speaker 1: a bit bad for Kyle because he's obviously a shock doc.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he thought he was gonna make her

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Speaker 1: cry because she had been so strong on the final

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Speaker 1: episode saying, Oh, I don't care, so I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be crying because she still cares about him. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: he first asked her if she was over Matt, and

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Speaker 1: she said that she wasn't, and then in Kyle's mind,

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Speaker 1: he was trying to help her get over Matt by saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're just got to get over it because

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Speaker 1: you know, X Y and Z happened on the on

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Speaker 1: the night after the finale, and what that would be

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Speaker 1: pretty crushing. You know. That's what I find so odd

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Speaker 1: about the Bachelor of finale. They are actually breaking up

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Speaker 1: with someone that they would have had to somewhat care about,

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Speaker 1: and then the next second they're over the moon and

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Speaker 1: in love and having sex. So it would be very crushing.

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Speaker 1: What I found funny about this whole series was all

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Speaker 1: the talk about how Matt wasn't actually watching the series.

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Speaker 1: I think he said he watched the first few episodes,

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Speaker 1: and I'm assuming he watched it with Chelsea, But I

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Speaker 1: reckon he and Chelsea didn't watch it because he knew

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Speaker 1: that things were going to heat up between him and Abbey.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how uncomfort to be with that be to

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Speaker 1: watch those makeout scenes. All in all, it was a

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Speaker 1: great series of The Bachelor, but I have to admit

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Speaker 1: I'm not excited for the Bachelorette. I actually am so

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Speaker 1: I was not really team Angie. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a really odd decision, but I saw the preview for it,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, I don't know, I really like her,

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Speaker 1: like I really liked her when she was on goggle Box.

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Speaker 1: I found it really funny and she seems like a

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Speaker 1: very genuine person. And I think it might be an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for the Bachelorette to sort of actually have a

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Speaker 1: true love story, because I feel like they might have

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Speaker 1: chosen some more down to earth people to be on

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Speaker 1: the show. Well, I hope we do get a true

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Speaker 1: love story. I just had to cringe at the adverts

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Speaker 1: when Evie was her fairy godmother and she had the

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Speaker 1: ug boots on. I just I think that was a

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Speaker 1: bit far. I saw a different preview and it was

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Speaker 1: more Angie talking about how she wanted to find love

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Speaker 1: and how she's so surprised to be named the bachelorette.

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Speaker 1: What I'm gonna find, we all. What I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to most is the Goggle recap of it because it's

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Speaker 1: such an interesting for the interesting one for them to

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Speaker 1: have to talk about like how they can handle it.

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Speaker 1: It will be great. I think that's all we have

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Speaker 1: time for tonight. If you did enjoy listening to the show,

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