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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened to

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Speaker 1: hour in Territory radio.

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Speaker 2: The Territory Leaders break down this week's big issues.

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Speaker 3: Well, good morning and welcome to the show. What a

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Speaker 3: show we've got lined up for you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it is the.

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Speaker 3: Camp Quality Radio Auction back for twenty twenty one and

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Speaker 3: we are raising money, hoping to raise up to fifty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars today with all these funds raised going towards

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Speaker 3: Camp Quality, who give kids facing cancer the chance to.

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Speaker 1: Be kids again.

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Speaker 3: So this morning, throughout the show, obviously we've got the

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Speaker 3: week that was happening, but we are still going to

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Speaker 3: be raising money for Camp Quality, and in the studio

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Speaker 3: with us this morning, we have got the Deputy Opposition Leader,

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Speaker 3: Jared Mayley.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 3: We've got Kesier Puick, the independent member for Goider. Good

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Speaker 3: morning to you, Kezier.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning to all the rural people listening.

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Speaker 3: And we've got Natasha Files, the Minister for Health, Good

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Speaker 3: morning to.

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Speaker 1: You, Good morning.

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Speaker 5: Keizier and I are sharing a microphone, so if I'm

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Speaker 5: unusually quiet, good listeners, we.

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Speaker 3: Do think that Matt Cunningham is is on his way,

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Speaker 3: so he shouldn't be too far off.

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Speaker 1: It's coffee in his micro waiting for him.

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Speaker 3: But let's get into the issues of the week, because

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Speaker 3: I tell you what, it's been an incredibly busy week

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Speaker 3: and I want to kick off with the COVID plan. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: we found out earlier in the week the Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: Michael Gunner outlining this COVID plan and moving forward.

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Speaker 1: The big critical part.

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Speaker 3: Though, is making sure that we get to that eighty

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Speaker 3: percent vaccination rate. There is still some gray areas for

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Speaker 3: some people. What is going to define a lockdown and

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Speaker 3: what is going to define a lockout?

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Speaker 1: Filesy, are you able to sort of shed a bit

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, as we move through the pandemic and more

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Speaker 5: Territorians get vaccinated, and I'd like to congratulate Territorians, they're

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Speaker 5: doing a great job in getting vaccinated. I was out

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Speaker 5: people are embracing the vaccine. I was in Central Australia

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Speaker 5: and you know, people are really trying to understand the

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Speaker 5: importance of the vaccine. There is some hesitancy in pockets

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Speaker 5: and be vaccinated. So this plan provides as we go forward,

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Speaker 5: a roadmap for us so that territories can understand what's

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Speaker 5: at stake around those vaccination rates. In terms of a

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Speaker 5: lockdown as opposed to a lockout, we'll continue to follow

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Speaker 5: the clinical advice, Katie. A lockdown may be needed if

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Speaker 5: sharp lockdown in that type of situation. A lockout potentially

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Speaker 5: would be if we've got individuals who won't get vaccinated,

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Speaker 5: But there is risk with that because we have very

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Speaker 5: do no backways. So the key messages right now, please

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that concerns some people, I

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Speaker 3: I know that obviously the key here is that we

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I don't respect it.

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Speaker 3: You don't get to choose to burden our health system

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, the message is clear, please get vaccinated. So

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Speaker 5: under a lockout, vaccinated people will not be locked down.

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Speaker 5: They can continue to go to work, go shopping, participate

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Speaker 5: For me, right now, there's plenty of vaccination available, there's

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Speaker 5: Katie that they just see it has something to say

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Speaker 5: it's effective. Some people are nervous about getting a needle themselves.

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Speaker 5: Some people are nervous about the fact it's been developed

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, your in relation to my view on that. Look,

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Speaker 4: the first thing I want to start and urge all

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Speaker 4: there's no question about that. But what I'm more concerned

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Speaker 4: and I say all Territorians, not fly in, fly out, workers,

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Speaker 4: not tourists. We need to make sure that Territorians are protected.

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Speaker 4: It just needs to make sure that we're vaccinated because

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Speaker 4: that's the way out of this COVID. Unfortunately, I think

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Speaker 4: deal with it. We need to be able to travel,

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Speaker 4: we need to make sure that there's a broader picture

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Speaker 3: One of the concerns that's been raised with me throughout

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Speaker 6: my view is they should be allowed to come in

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Speaker 6: what in regards to the tourism industry, and we've seen

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Speaker 6: But back to the vaccinations and what the chief Minister's comments.

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Speaker 6: Vax person can have their view, and it's their right

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Speaker 6: if they don't want to have a vaccination for anything,

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Speaker 6: But it's also my right to say you can't come

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Speaker 6: legal firms and lawyers and all those kind of people

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Speaker 3: News has just joined us as well. Good morning to you, Matt. Oh,

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Speaker 3: We're going to see businesses around you know, around Australia

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Speaker 3: Now now we might sorry, come, I'll just I'll just quickly, Katie,

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Speaker 3: it'll become a condition of employment. Many years ago in

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Speaker 3: that you wanted to work in the mining industry, here's

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Speaker 3: the form.

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Speaker 1: Fill it in.

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Speaker 6: at a random basis, and that's probably the way it's

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Speaker 6: in our firm, here's the form alcohol drug testing. Years plus,

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Speaker 3: With a lawyer and a politician, so him and his brother,

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Speaker 1: Stunning, stunning to so this so it also not only

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Speaker 4: It'll be a and I've been I've been doing it

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Speaker 3: More too.

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Speaker 1: But if they come out.

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Speaker 6: They come to the property, I'll even let them help

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Speaker 6: But also, but weren't this more if it's a family

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Speaker 6: The sheep are dropping their lambs at the moment, and

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Speaker 2: I got the first fifty bucks on keysy.

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Speaker 3: As fifty all right, excellent, wh you and cuddling land.

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Speaker 1: Sure your wife's going to be really pleased.

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Speaker 2: To make sure that I'll be taking the kids on

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Speaker 3: A second bit for the pig hunt is at five

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: It is the Camp Quality Radio auction and Jared Mayley's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a fair bit going on there, Wolfe.

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Speaker 2: So there are serious concerns there. I mean my information is.

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Speaker 8: The whole of the NT is in crisis, not just

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Speaker 4: OK. It seems our health system is in crisis, and

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Speaker 5: end Catherine and the Hospital.

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Speaker 7: Now this is this this news speak.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's hospitals.

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Speaker 1: Into it's two camps has been not two.

444
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Speaker 2: Campuses at the one hospital.

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Speaker 5: It's two hospitals, two campuses. But we do have Nolan

446
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Speaker 5: Boy Hospital and there is beds at Noulan Boy Hospital.

447
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Speaker 5: So how can we utilize those beds but make sure.

448
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Speaker 3: We sending people off to Nolan Boy if people a situation.

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Speaker 1: I'll come back to that point.

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Speaker 5: But what I was saying is that in terms of

451
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Speaker 5: our hospitals, we need to make sure that we do

452
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Speaker 5: provide for people to have cares close to home. There's

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Speaker 5: patients from eas Darnham that could perhaps it has to

454
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Speaker 5: be clinically safe, of course, but we're looking at a

455
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Speaker 5: number of options in terms of our hospital beds. Coming

456
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Speaker 5: to the point around age care, we know that age

457
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Speaker 5: care is the responsibility of the Commonwealth, but we do

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Speaker 5: see a.

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Speaker 3: Burden argibargie from Little Proud.

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Speaker 1: Agree.

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Speaker 5: So in terms of that, what we do is we

462
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Speaker 5: have the Commonwealth who provide beds for age care and

463
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Speaker 5: providers come in and bid for them, so you see

464
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Speaker 5: the non government and private sector they bid, they're provisionally

465
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Speaker 5: allocated and then they build those beds. We haven't seen

466
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Speaker 5: that flow through. So nt Health has bid and we've

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Speaker 5: been successful in sixty provisional beds for age care. So

468
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Speaker 5: there's going to be what sixty speak to us in

469
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Speaker 5: real person language, does that mean there's going to be

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Speaker 5: sixty extra age care air bed So we've been provisionally

471
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Speaker 5: allocated them, so we have to make it out it

472
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Speaker 5: is going to be a specialist dementia bed.

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Speaker 7: So when you say that could happen, how do you do?

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Speaker 7: You have to find the place to put them on

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Speaker 7: something correct.

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Speaker 5: So we would potentially partner with someone or we would

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Speaker 5: build it, but they're fund.

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Speaker 7: Their solution here exactly, turn the Parmaston Hospital into an

479
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Speaker 7: age care facility sixty beds there. You shut the emergency

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Speaker 7: department there, which.

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Speaker 2: Problems with that with the doubling out.

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Speaker 7: So if you're in an ambulance right and you're going

483
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Speaker 7: to Parmestan Hospital, it's another fifteen minutes to RDH. At

484
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Speaker 7: the moment, anyone who's got anything seriously wrong with them

485
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Speaker 7: is going to the Parmestan Hospital and then they're being

486
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Speaker 7: put in a care flight ambulance at a cost of

487
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Speaker 7: five million dollars over three years to then be transferred

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Speaker 7: to third to the Royal Darwin Hospital.

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Speaker 2: It's such a stupidly inefficient system. It's not funny.

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Speaker 7: And if we've got the money for the sixty beds,

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Speaker 7: put them at the Palmeston Hospital.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Palmeston Hospitals one hundred and sixteen bed facility. There's

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Speaker 5: about one hundred beds already left over, and so it

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Speaker 5: would be a new facility. But what it would do

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Speaker 5: because we've got about fifty to sixty age care and

496
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Speaker 5: disability patients within Rhodzowen and Palmeston Hospital at the moment,

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Speaker 5: and so it would allow us to have people in

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Speaker 5: age care facility providing them with the specialist support they needed.

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Speaker 4: But this is very complicated, like where have.

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Speaker 1: We got the capability to actually do that.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about people's lives here.

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Speaker 1: I don't the microphone keeps getting taken off me.

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Speaker 5: So Katie, we've just got the provisional funding for those

504
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Speaker 5: beds in the last few weeks. So when now health

505
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Speaker 5: is now working to look at we probably won't take

506
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Speaker 5: Matt's view of closing Palmerston Hospital and making an.

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Speaker 4: Age care facility.

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Speaker 1: What about we look at.

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Speaker 5: Those sixty beds and getting those online so that we

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Speaker 5: can free up hospital bed space. So it is complicated,

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Speaker 5: it's not straightforward, but there is options there that we're

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Speaker 5: working in ernest On.

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Speaker 4: They've had five years to fix this. They've been in

514
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Speaker 4: power last five beds, one hundred and forty percent capacity

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Speaker 4: in this space which we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Joking, someone had asked whether on the text line someone's

517
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Speaker 3: asked whether some of those beds out at Howard Springs

518
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Speaker 3: could be converted to it's just going.

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Speaker 6: To say, so that's three and a half thousand I

520
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Speaker 6: think it was three and a half thousand facility as

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Speaker 6: the workers a village for the building of the Impects

522
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Speaker 6: gas plant. Now I know there's about I don't know,

523
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Speaker 6: fifteen hundred people in there at the moment. Give will

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Speaker 6: take whatever. So there's bound to be an area that

525
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Speaker 6: could be changed quarantine from the rest of it and

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Speaker 6: turned into agekit. Just because there's one main mentor entrance,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't mean there can't be another main entrance off

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Speaker 6: the Howard Springs Road or off what would road for

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Speaker 6: that matter.

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Speaker 5: So when the Northern Territory Government was looking at the

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Speaker 5: former Impects facility at that time, we did look at seniors,

532
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Speaker 5: but this is very specific age care and that facility

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Speaker 5: is not suitable. This is people that need full time

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Speaker 5: nursing care. It has to be a number of parameters

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Speaker 5: around that in terms of infrastructure and also the ability

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Speaker 5: to provide that.

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Speaker 1: So but what you.

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Speaker 3: Are telling our listeners this morning is that there is

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Speaker 3: going to be an additional sixty aged care bids. But

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Speaker 3: at this point in time, they're funded, but we don't

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Speaker 3: know where they're going to be yet or exactly how

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Speaker 3: that's going to be rolled out. So Katie, we just

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Speaker 3: got funded for those beds. So the Northern Territory Government,

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Speaker 3: which unusually normally as I said, ngngos and private providers

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Speaker 3: bid for those beds. We said, we're not seeing that

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Speaker 3: flow through and it's impacting our health system. So the

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Speaker 3: NTG has bid for those beds and we've been provisionally

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Speaker 3: allocated them. So we will now work on making that

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Speaker 3: a reality.

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Speaker 4: So I think didn't Little Proud say yesterday that the

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Speaker 4: federal government give the nt government money for age care

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Speaker 4: and then it's up to the NT government how they

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Speaker 4: spend it. And he was saying that he's view with

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Speaker 4: I've spent it unwisely and that's why we've got this

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Speaker 4: problem with the age care and the health system because

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Speaker 4: the government, the NT government, have spent the federal government

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Speaker 4: money unwisely.

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Speaker 5: So in terms of both a care and hospital funding, Katie,

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Speaker 5: there is funding provided from the Commonwealth. It's very specific

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Speaker 5: in terms of age care. Those beds are funded and

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Speaker 5: that then flows through individuals who are eligible that given

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Speaker 5: can be placed in those beds. It's not as simple

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Speaker 5: as what Jared's explaining.

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Speaker 3: I've got to tell you this discussion throughout the week

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Speaker 3: about the health system being in Cathatcher's words, in crisis

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Speaker 3: is something that opened an absolute can of worms.

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Speaker 1: On the show.

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Speaker 3: We have people getting in contact with us in those

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Speaker 3: very situations where they've got elderly parents who've been on

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Speaker 3: waiting lists for two years and still don't have a

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Speaker 3: bed for them now when it's reached that acute situation

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Speaker 3: where they need to find one where they've been stuck.

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Speaker 3: One of the examples is an elderly woman who is

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Speaker 3: still out in the Palmeston Regional Hospital who really needs

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Speaker 3: a long term bed obviously in a facility, but it

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Speaker 3: also raised this conversation with a lot of Territorians contacting

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Speaker 3: us about an inability to act actually gets specialist to

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Speaker 3: be able to see a specialist for various different reasons. Now,

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Speaker 3: I want to take you to what was pretty a

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Speaker 3: pretty heart breaking call. I've got to tell you from Rachel,

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Speaker 3: one of our listeners, a little bit earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: If you missed it, take a listen to what she

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Speaker 1: had to say.

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Speaker 9: So, I've been a nurse in the territory for eleven

585
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Speaker 9: years and i don't work in our own health anymore,

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Speaker 9: but I'm a little bit shocked at the time frame

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Speaker 9: that's allowed for an urgent referral. So essentially, the referral

588
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Speaker 9: goes in and I'm sure that they get hundreds and

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Speaker 9: hundreds of referrals per day, so someone actually has to

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Speaker 9: slight that referral first, and they've told me it takes

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Speaker 9: ten business days for that to actually happen, and then

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Speaker 9: a nurse needs to go and and treat them, and

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Speaker 9: then that needs to go to a doctor for them

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Speaker 9: to have a look at the referral. And see how

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Speaker 9: urgent it is, and then that needs to go to

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Speaker 9: someone else to book me an appointments. Essentially, at the moment,

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Speaker 9: I've got a chicking time bomb in my chest and

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Speaker 9: I can't get anyone to look at it. And I'm

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Speaker 9: giving a bit emotional because I do have two children,

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Speaker 9: and I'm very young, and I just said I know

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Speaker 9: what to do with myself. A whole month is a

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Speaker 9: long time, and I just want to make sure that

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Speaker 9: you know, and if it wasn't something so urgent, you know,

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Speaker 9: there's markers there that is saying that it's very vicious

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Speaker 9: and I am young, so yeah, it's very, very worrying

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Speaker 9: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it goes without saying that. You can hear

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Speaker 3: in Rachel's voice how distraught she is and how worried

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Speaker 3: she is, a young, young mum with two small children,

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Speaker 3: obviously waiting for that urgent referral for a mass in

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Speaker 3: her breast. You know, it wasn't the only phone call

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Speaker 3: that we took. It wasn't the only message we talk

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Speaker 3: I had another gentleman get in contact with me and

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Speaker 3: tell me that his brother in law has been diagnosed

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Speaker 3: with prostate cancer. It was a seven week wait for

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Speaker 3: him to be able to get the urgent surgery that

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Speaker 3: he required. So he's gone into state to get that surgery.

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Speaker 3: But then you know, even that in itself is a

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Speaker 3: difficult situation where he's having to go to a hot

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Speaker 3: spot and then having to try and get back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is the go here?

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Speaker 3: Do we not have like do we not have enough

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Speaker 3: specialists or what's the situation with people trying to you know,

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Speaker 3: to get those get a diagnosis.

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Speaker 4: I know another story where a person needed an ICU

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Speaker 4: bed and for an emergency and then the time that

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Speaker 4: there was no beds available in the Northern Territory and

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Speaker 4: they had to fly. They were going to fly them

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Speaker 4: to Wa or to Queensland, but that person passed away.

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Speaker 4: So now that there's a long term Territori and who

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Speaker 4: died because they couldn't get an ICU bed, and now

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Speaker 4: the whole family is in grieving about that. So there's

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Speaker 4: some tragic stories about here because the health system is

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Speaker 4: in crisis.

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Speaker 5: So Katie, in terms of and I won't point to

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Speaker 5: those specific cases and respect the privacy of patients. In

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Speaker 5: terms of the case that Jared just raised, there is

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Speaker 5: the health complaints commissioner. So if people feel that the

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Speaker 5: process hasn't supported them, that I always encourage, and that

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Speaker 5: looks that systemic change.

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Speaker 4: See, someone's not going to complain when they've just lost

642
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Speaker 4: a family member, they're in grief.

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Speaker 5: I you know, my deeper sympathy goes to that family.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that there is processes within

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Speaker 5: the system. There's patient advocate, there's a health Complaints commissioner,

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Speaker 5: But in terms of Rachel, that's not good enough. And

647
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Speaker 5: so it is daunting enough having to face an interface

648
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Speaker 5: with the health system and people not understanding and it

649
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Speaker 5: is a convoluted process from you know, appointments when you

650
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Speaker 5: go to a GP and then an interface with specialists

651
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Speaker 5: and trying to navigate that system. And we do try

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Speaker 5: and make it as easy as possible. There is coordination

653
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Speaker 5: nurses there, but the system does fail at times and

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Speaker 5: it's not acceptable. And I've asked for Rachel's situation to

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Speaker 5: be reviewed so that but in terms of the situation

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Speaker 5: that Jared raised, I had wasn't aware of that, but

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Speaker 5: of course that is very concerning, but it is it's

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Speaker 5: difficult in terms of the health system, the interface for

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Speaker 5: people when they perhaps go for some routine checkups or

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Speaker 5: they have a scan, there should be a pathway that,

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Speaker 5: particularly when they're facing quite daunting news and they're scared,

662
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Speaker 5: and even if you know a situation is not you

663
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Speaker 5: know that they've just got We all know ourselves if

664
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Speaker 5: we have a scan or we have a test and

665
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: the results don't come back clear, we become incredibly nervous

666
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Speaker 5: and incredibly anxious.

667
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Speaker 3: So issue like, is it something that you are prepared

668
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Speaker 3: to focus on to try to see you know where

669
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Speaker 3: this is breaking down? If we've got people who are

670
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Speaker 3: facing a cancer diagnosis or they're you know, they're waiting.

671
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Speaker 3: We had another man get in contact with us. He's

672
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Speaker 3: got skin cancer. He had further melanoma indicators come back

673
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Speaker 3: this week.

674
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Speaker 1: He's facing a seven week wait.

675
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Speaker 3: Seven week wait is what he was told then to

676
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Speaker 3: be able to get in to see the specialists.

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Speaker 1: Like to you, I mean, does that sound good enough?

678
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Speaker 5: So it is in terms of the system, people their

679
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Speaker 5: GP would make a referral and people's condition can change,

680
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Speaker 5: so they should go back to their GP so their

681
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Speaker 5: GP can then escalate that higher. And there is within

682
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Speaker 5: the system, as I said, the patient advocate. If people

683
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Speaker 5: don't believe that the pathway they've given is acceptable. They

684
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Speaker 5: can ask for that second opinion, asked for.

685
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Speaker 1: It to be reviewed, but it is. It is difficult,

686
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Speaker 1: and of course.

687
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Speaker 5: We take lessons learned and try and make sure that

688
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Speaker 5: the system works to support people when they're feeling most vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think it's so important.

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Speaker 7: I think we're seeing play out now a chronic issue

691
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Speaker 7: with underfunding and misplaced funding in our hospital system over

692
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Speaker 7: a long period of time. At the beginning of last year,

693
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Speaker 7: the head of the AMA wrote to Greg Hunt and said,

694
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Speaker 7: we have got a serious situation that is about to

695
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Speaker 7: eventuate here and we need a hell of a lot

696
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Speaker 7: more money or we're going to be in a major crisis.

697
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Speaker 2: And well look where we are now. We're in a

698
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Speaker 2: major crisis.

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Speaker 5: Now.

700
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Speaker 2: I know money doesn't.

701
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Speaker 7: Grow on trees, but I do think the federal government

702
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Speaker 7: needs to make more of an investment. At the same time,

703
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Speaker 7: I think the territory government needs to be smarter about

704
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Speaker 7: how it spends that money.

705
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Speaker 8: Now.

706
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Speaker 7: I know that you will laugh at me about this

707
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 7: Palmeston Hospital thing, but that is a clear case where

708
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Speaker 7: politics trumped good policy when it came to where a

709
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Speaker 7: facility was going to be built. And we're seeing the

710
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Speaker 7: consequences of that play out now. Now, you know, I

711
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Speaker 7: know you say that, I'm like, you know, on some

712
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Speaker 7: crazy tangent, but this is not my view. This is

713
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Speaker 7: the view of the people who work in the hospital system.

714
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Speaker 7: I talked to them, Tashed, took them. You talk to them. Ye,

715
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Speaker 7: you know that this is what they are saying. They

716
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 7: are saying them their job is being made more difficult

717
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 7: because of that decision. It costs two hundred and fifty

718
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 7: million dollars to build that hospital, and it has made

719
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Speaker 7: their jobs harder. And that's why they are the ones

720
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Speaker 7: who are saying, we need to fix something here.

721
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Speaker 2: And so I think two things need to happen.

722
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Speaker 7: We definitely need more funding in our system, but we

723
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Speaker 7: also need to be smarter about how we spend that.

724
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Speaker 4: So, man, I think money seeds to grow on grain

725
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Speaker 4: seas in lordn Jarify day.

726
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, we have a few people get in

727
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Speaker 3: contact with us about that, and I think the optics

728
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: of it were terrible at the time, and they continue

729
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: to be like whenever then we talk about this type

730
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Speaker 3: of thing, it is the you know, it's the lynch

731
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Speaker 3: pin that people go back to.

732
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Speaker 6: Well, it may well be the case, but I think

733
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Speaker 6: there comes a time that the turf club getting the

734
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 6: grant and how it was managed by the government and

735
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 6: the cabinet and who signed off that sort of stuff.

736
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Speaker 6: That's for another story in another time, and the Opposition

737
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Speaker 6: can take that up in Parliament next week and I'm

738
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Speaker 6: sure they will, but I think we need to look

739
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Speaker 6: carefully at I'm presuming that all these issues relate to

740
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Speaker 6: the public system. You know that the overcrowding in the

741
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Speaker 6: hospitals plus the access to the specialists think we need,

742
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Speaker 6: and I'm sure the government does it through you know,

743
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Speaker 6: the Health Department and those experts to look at the

744
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 6: critical areas and address them almost not simultaneously, but.

745
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Speaker 1: They've got to be looked at.

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Speaker 6: Clearly, there's an issue with access to specialists and referrals

747
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Speaker 6: and I know what Natasha is saying about you go

748
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Speaker 6: back to your GP, but a lot of people don't

749
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Speaker 6: know that kind of information and it's good that we

750
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Speaker 6: can tell it here. But there's an issue with the hospital.

751
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 6: There's clearly an issue with the Parmesan Hospital and the

752
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Speaker 6: age care patients in there as well as that.

753
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Speaker 1: So there's three key issues here.

754
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Speaker 6: The agecare people the overcreating like I think it was

755
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 6: on this show or another show where a lot of

756
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Speaker 6: people are coming from the bush to get their trip

757
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Speaker 6: in the hospital because there's not the health workers out

758
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Speaker 6: in the bush for whatever reason, not nurses, you know.

759
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Speaker 6: So we know there's some places where it's unsafe and

760
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 6: the nurses leave, et cetera. So there's quite a few

761
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 6: issues here and they need to be all identified and

762
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Speaker 6: whether they all relate back to some key failing or

763
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Speaker 6: some limitation, whether it be lack of funding. I mean,

764
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Speaker 6: it's one thing to get more money, but we need

765
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Speaker 6: more people, you know, we need more nurses, we need

766
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's not just in this health it's in

767
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Speaker 6: the public to a system as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just hospitals now, Like there's clearly.

769
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Speaker 7: It becomes a sort of snowball effect because the people

770
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Speaker 7: who we get to come here and work, and you know,

771
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Speaker 7: in the past, people come here for three months and

772
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 7: as you know, they stay for thirty years. But we

773
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Speaker 7: get people who come here for three months to work

774
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 7: in our hospital system and they go, oh my god,

775
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Speaker 7: I've never had to work so hard in my life.

776
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: I'm stressed out in my brain.

777
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 7: I am leaving and I'm never coming back, you know,

778
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Speaker 7: And that's that's all the wrong.

779
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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.

780
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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's

781
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: three sixty and also broadcasting on APHA. Well, it is

782
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: the week that was, but this morning a heavy focus

783
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Speaker 3: obviously on the camp quality radio auction, and I'm very

784
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: pleased to say that the half day pig Hunt is

785
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: now sitting five hundred and twenty five dollars from Philip.

786
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: Philip is now in the lead, so five hundred and

787
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Speaker 3: twenty five dollars.

788
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Speaker 4: Going to add to that. There's something extra on that

789
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Speaker 4: pig hunt. Katie Wolf can come and a husband for free,

790
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: so she'll be there with us on the NF and

791
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Speaker 4: her husband get.

792
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: A country pat will go. I'm sure, but you don't

793
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: need me there. I'm a proper girl, a city girl.

794
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: You can check your wall off.

795
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I'm.

796
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Speaker 3: Real city because I grew up in Madison, so you

797
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: can't be very much A yeah.

798
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Speaker 1: That's right.

799
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Speaker 5: Now.

800
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Speaker 3: There is so much to cover off on this morning,

801
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: and I'm courtious that we're running out of time, but

802
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: we might even if someone wants to bid on it.

803
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 3: Maybe I could even drop the news for the hour

804
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: and just go with the.

805
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Show for a bit longer.

806
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: But the Daily by election was obviously had last weekend,

807
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: and we know that Territory Labor won the Daily by

808
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: election with candidate Duran Young were winning that seat off

809
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: the Country Liberal Party opposition. The Northern Territory Chief Minister

810
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: Michael Gunna took to social media to declare that victory

811
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: and Well had said tonight's historic victory and Daily the

812
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 3: first time ever that a government's won a seat off

813
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: the opposition in a by election is incredibly humbling, is.

814
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: What he wrote. Nothing to do with the chief minister seat.

815
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: It was more to do with how things happened on.

816
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: The ground, and.

817
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 6: We all know that how Labor operates in the bush

818
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 6: in these bush remote seats.

819
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Speaker 1: I'll just clarify Natasha doesn't have a microphone just so

820
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: she can have mine, I mean, and it will where's Leah.

821
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: She's gone into hiding week.

822
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: Every day this week she has been in here to

823
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: clear alone.

824
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 5: She put herself all over that campaign and she's saying

825
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 5: it's a success to lose a seat. So I'd hate

826
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: to see that if it was a disaster what that

827
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 5: would have been.

828
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: He listen, Labor did exactly what they do in all

829
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: their campaigns. They flooded. They flooded the area and the

830
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: booths with all the hot shots.

831
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 6: Marrion Scrimjeels out there and Warren s Nutt and all

832
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 6: his stuff, and Natasha Files was out there.

833
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: All the current ministers. Don't ask me what they were saying.

834
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 6: To the local people to get them to hop onto

835
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 6: the bus and be carted to the polling booth. But

836
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 6: I'm sure there might have been the occasional enticement and

837
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 6: a smile from the Health minister.

838
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: That's a serious allegation.

839
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: Easier you might, but in the rural area football talk

840
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 5: about cop have got a lot of questions to answer.

841
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 5: It's a Shameley is not here to answer them this morning.

842
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 5: But she's probably trying to hang onto her leadership.

843
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: But this was never ever a test of leader, never

844
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 4: ever tested the leadership. She's got a hundred percent backing

845
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: from us, so the whole party and the wind. It's

846
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 4: not about you know. This is about what we do,

847
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: how we come back, and how we get there. For

848
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: the most, we've got three years to come back. Unlike

849
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: the Labor's nine point one billion dollar debt is going

850
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 4: to be there forever and the only cost amy measure

851
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: they even spoke about has now been thrown in the bin.

852
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 4: So talking about her historic issues, let's talk about about

853
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: billion dollars worth of debt with no name.

854
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 6: Let me go, this is an important ISSI it's an

855
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 6: important issue. I'm going to keep referring it until this

856
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 6: government addresses it and tells us the truth. Now it's

857
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 6: to do with the school based constables. Now I know

858
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 6: the chairman of to ME. We put a note up

859
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 6: and she's actually just the mess and it's replied. I

860
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 6: think Chris sebat Is replied, we didn't get one. Replied

861
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 6: that I was tracking that site. Didn't get one reply

862
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 6: out of labor. We do not have school based constables.

863
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 6: And I use the word constable, not auxiliaries. At T

864
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Speaker 6: mid min it's we're going into term four. We're in

865
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Speaker 6: week week term three, week nine, we're going to term

866
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 6: four and we still don't know what are going to

867
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Speaker 6: be the arrangements for to MIM with two school based consobles.

868
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 6: Don't tell me they're going to be auxiliaries, because I

869
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 6: don't that's a they're trying to pull a shifty, Katie.

870
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: The police Minister and the Commissioner of Police are pulling

871
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 6: a shifty taking the constables out.

872
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: Take a shifty.

873
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 6: It's a shifty now that mister Young did not comment,

874
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 6: and that's a critical issue to me, Minu. It's got

875
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 6: twelve hundred to thirteen hundred students and we don't have

876
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 6: And I know there's an issue with.

877
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: Sanderson Middle or High school as well.

878
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Speaker 6: They've been told that they're not necessarily going to get

879
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 6: school based constables. And when the school based constable is there,

880
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 6: they can't even address a particular unfortunate incident in the school.

881
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Speaker 6: They have to call police and they are a police officer.

882
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 6: So the whole system's bloody just gone stupid.

883
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: It's got shifted.

884
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 6: I'll watch some direct honest answers, and this Durren Younghow

885
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 6: actually didn't even have the courtesy to reply to the

886
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Speaker 6: comment I have to.

887
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: Run is a wonderful person and I will make sure

888
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: that after this he goes back and listens to the audio.

889
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 5: And I think that he's really excited to get out there.

890
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 5: He has lived in what I and schools, as we know,

891
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: as local members are important part of our community, so

892
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Speaker 5: I'll certainly make sure he's.

893
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Speaker 4: Aware of it.

894
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: And whatever you're about to read, we have got a

895
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Speaker 3: message here. It says, good morning, Katie. Following on from

896
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Speaker 3: KEESI epirics talk on Wednesday on the chairperson of a

897
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Speaker 3: school council, the teacher representative of my counsel always makes

898
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Speaker 3: our counsel aware of the goings on with the police

899
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: base constables. The latest is a watered down version of

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00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 3: the valuable program with the following reclassification of the position

901
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 3: from officers to auxiliaries, new guidelines which has not been released,

902
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: the curriculum developed that auxiliaries will deliver, and this person says,

903
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: my view is that the Education Department gives three million

904
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: dollars in funding to the police for the police based

905
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Speaker 3: constable's program, and yet we have no say in what

906
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Speaker 3: the program will deliver. So that is from the well,

907
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Speaker 3: that is from the one of the chair people from

908
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Speaker 3: a school council, and I think that message sort of

909
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Speaker 3: has cut.

910
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Speaker 1: Off at the end. So I'm not sure which school,

911
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: but it's clearly an issue out there.

912
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: Seems like another failure on behalf of labor. I know

913
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 4: that commendment. There was an incident where there was an

914
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: assaults out there, the assaults out on the road that

915
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Speaker 4: were reported to the police, reported to the school and

916
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Speaker 4: essentially the student got banfi and back again. So there

917
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 4: the police officer there on the spot. It might better fixate.

918
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: Can I go back to.

919
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: Give you my two bob's worth.

920
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: On thespital listening, I'm dropping the news.

921
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Shifty business going on in I just.

922
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Speaker 7: Think it was just a spectacular internal failure by the CLP, right,

923
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 7: and it's one that and it's one that that sort

924
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 7: of transpired over a period of time. You go back

925
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Speaker 7: to even before the twenty sixteen election where the literally

926
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Speaker 7: Field branch of the c LP tried to get rid

927
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Speaker 7: of Gary Higgins. He had to go to Central Council

928
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 7: to get pre selected, made to do that.

929
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Speaker 2: Gary Lichfield branch was going to boot him out.

930
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 8: Part of.

931
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Speaker 4: You know, you've got that wrong. I can say that absolutely.

932
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Speaker 2: Did the Lichfield branch not pre selection.

933
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Speaker 4: You've got a choice where to go, and Gary chose

934
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Speaker 4: to do that.

935
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Speaker 7: They got that one wrong, right, and and they didn't

936
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Speaker 7: support him the whole way through, right, and and he

937
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 7: is the first person they should have gone to at

938
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Speaker 7: the beginning of this campaign and they should have said, Gary,

939
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 7: help us out, because he is the reason that they

940
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 7: won that seat, not just the two times that he

941
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 7: won it, but when he and Slowan wanted it as well,

942
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Speaker 7: because he was backing and Slowan in what air where

943
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 7: people know him, where people like him, and where people.

944
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Speaker 2: Respect him, and then family out there exactly.

945
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Speaker 7: And then when you pre select a guy, and Chris

946
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Speaker 7: Sibtrees is a lovely bloke and I think one day

947
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Speaker 7: you'll make a good politician, but no one in what

948
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Speaker 7: had a clue who he was, and.

949
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Speaker 2: So they weren't going to vote for him.

950
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Speaker 7: So you can sort of claim that there were funny

951
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 7: buggers going on and this, and that the reason the

952
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 7: COLP lost the Daily by election is because they didn't

953
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Speaker 7: bring Gary Higgins into the tent and they didn't get

954
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Speaker 7: him to help them.

955
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Speaker 2: And if they hadn't done that, they would have won.

956
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Speaker 4: There you go.

957
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: Hey, we're gonna have to take a very short break.

958
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: I've still dropped the news, my boss. If you're listening,

959
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: I'm happy to make a donation to Camp Quality if

960
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: I'm not to. But look, well we have just had

961
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: a so we're currently sitting at five hundred and twenty

962
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: five dollars from Philip for the pig hunt. We're sitting

963
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: at fifty dollars from Matt Cunningham for the go to

964
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: Manu and were sitting.

965
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Speaker 1: On the lambs and they're cuddling the lambs.

966
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Speaker 3: And we've also got four hundred dollars bid for the

967
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Speaker 3: loan Pine Medals so far this morning.

968
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Speaker 1: Thank you to wov's been for the Lone Pine meek.

969
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: So Nick has bid four hundred dollars for the loan

970
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 3: Pine Medals. We're going to take a very short break

971
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: because I'm very mindful that you all.

972
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Speaker 5: Do studio today held being health stands.

973
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Speaker 1: Are going to take a very short break. You are

974
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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four point nine.

975
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Speaker 3: It is the week that well, you are listening to

976
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Speaker 3: Mix one oh four point nine also broadcasting on eight

977
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Speaker 3: AJ and Well, before we wrap up this morning, let's

978
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: talk briefly about this public service wage freeze.

979
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Speaker 1: We do know that it's got.

980
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Speaker 3: Plenty of well, plenty of business people, I think, or

981
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, lots of no, not so much business people,

982
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: but people who are employed in the private sector not

983
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: so happy about our public servants really overwhelmingly rejecting a

984
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Speaker 3: pay and conditions offer from the Commissioner for Public Employment

985
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: that would see their wages frozen for four years. Plenty

986
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: of people in the community saying live and had a

987
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: pay increase for some time. I've had to take my

988
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: job being cut back as a result of COVID and

989
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: various other things. But nonetheless this wage freeze, it's going

990
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: to only see a one thousand dollars annual bonus. There's

991
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: always two sides to an argument. I know that the

992
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: union was on earlier in the week and said, you know, Katie,

993
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: we're talking about public servants who spend their money out

994
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: in the community at those private businesses.

995
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: What's everyone on the panel think.

996
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: I'd start with this, let's take one step back, let's

997
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 4: talk about it that this this will all come about,

998
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 4: this all came about.

999
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: I get to say my piece. I feel this all.

1000
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Speaker 4: This all came about because the massive overspend of the government,

1001
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: and this is going to be their one cost saving mesum.

1002
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Remember wasted the money in the minister you.

1003
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Speaker 4: Spend the money the Minister to the unit of ripping

1004
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: up the budget is.

1005
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 7: Two hundred million that were that infrastructure fund you guys

1006
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 7: then pulled from the sale to you guys.

1007
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 6: Talk about spend it and wasted ten million on a

1008
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 6: water boating plant.

1009
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: This why this was the only cast saving measure that

1010
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Speaker 4: the government had put in their budget and now look

1011
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: at it, it's in the bin.

1012
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 6: Look why should the public servants or public officials call

1013
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 6: them what you want, just normal ordinary territories across the territory.

1014
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 6: Why should they have to take a four year wage

1015
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 6: freeze or with one thousand dollars bonus at end of

1016
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Speaker 6: the year, like woohoo? What is the Public Service Commission

1017
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 6: monitor sand clause? But I mean a lot of those people,

1018
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 6: probably fair chunk of them work very hard and diligently,

1019
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: So why should they have to take a pay cup

1020
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 6: because of the government's failing.

1021
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: The reason they.

1022
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Speaker 7: Should is because if you look in the Langolant report itself,

1023
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 7: the growth in public sector wages over the past ten,

1024
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 7: fifteen to twenty years has far outstripped the growth in

1025
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 7: private sector wages, and Langoland even says it's got to

1026
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 7: a point where it's making it really difficult for private

1027
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 7: businesses to attract staff because the pay and conditions in

1028
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 7: the public service are so much more generous. There's nine

1029
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Speaker 7: hundred and seventy different leave entitlements nine hundred and seventy

1030
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Speaker 7: three after this new agreement that offers gender reassignment leave,

1031
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 7: naydoc week leave, and something else you know that are

1032
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Speaker 7: available to public servants across the Northern Territory. In the

1033
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 7: private sector, their wages have been flatlining for a lot

1034
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Speaker 7: of time. In the public sector they keep going up,

1035
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 7: and now that has just created this inequality that not

1036
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Speaker 7: only means that public servants are better paid, but it

1037
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Speaker 7: also makes it really difficult for private businesses to attract workers.

1038
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: I make the point it's just common on what Matt said,

1039
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Speaker 6: I take your point about that. I'll call them technical

1040
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 6: and professional kind of people. Now, I was talking to

1041
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 6: a business or a business person the other day, and

1042
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 6: there's very few qualified technical and professional people within DIPPLE,

1043
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 6: the infrastructure department, whether they be engineers or surveyors or

1044
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 6: people of that kind of discipline. I know within the

1045
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 6: Mines department last year there was not a mining engineer.

1046
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 6: I don't know if they've recruited one since then, but

1047
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 6: we're talking about a mining department that has to address

1048
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 6: all the issues across the mining sector. They don't have

1049
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 6: a mining engineer. They used to have electrical engineers and

1050
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: other engineers. So I agree with Matt on that point.

1051
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 6: They're not attracting the technical and professional people that we

1052
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 6: need within government, and then we can't then blame government

1053
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 6: for poor service in regards to technical areas because they're

1054
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 6: not competing with the product sector they get that bit

1055
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Speaker 6: of money in.

1056
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Speaker 2: We are.

1057
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Speaker 3: We are going to have to wrap up, Fozy. I'll

1058
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 3: let you have one last comment there on that one.

1059
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Speaker 5: We know what the CPE do, the cut the public service.

1060
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Speaker 3: We are going to have to wrap up. That is

1061
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Speaker 3: the week that was. Thank you all so very much

1062
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: for your time. We are going to keep those those

1063
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: bids coming in. We know that Nick has been four

1064
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for the Lone Pine Medals. The pig Hunt

1065
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: is sitting with Philip at five hundred and twenty five.

1066
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Speaker 4: I'm not going.

1067
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Speaker 1: I'm not going that is. So that's it for us

1068
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: for the week there was.

1069
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Speaker 3: But we are going to continue on with the Camp

1070
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Speaker 3: Quality Radio auction after ten o'clock. You're listening to Mix

1071
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Speaker 3: one O four point nine three sixty. Thank you all

1072
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: so very much for your time this morning.