1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: On today's show, Brand Beckham's epic relaunch, another twist in 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: the high profile food blogger case, and Maddie Jay's latest 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: pr move. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Toofer and I am so sick of The 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Daily Mail getting things wrong. Well, apparently you guys are twins, 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: but then in the article it also said you were 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: a triplet, so I'm not sure. I feel very forgotten. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: The guy who wrote. 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: This article is the same guy who wrote the article 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: about Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orvil's house selling, and one 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: who got the numbers, so maybe I don't know if 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: he needs a bit of will help with that. Well, 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: for those who haven't read the Daily Mail, you guys 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: featured in an article off the back of your interview 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: with Judge Gina on a recent podcast, and you guys 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: were talking about your weddings, trying to work out who 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: was in the wrong for picking your wedding dates pretty 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: close together. However, the snippet they used was talking about 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: how you guys got in aged on the same day. 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, bit old news. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: It was old News and people became obsessed with the 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: fact that apparently Sophie and I don't look identical. And 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: because people don't seem to understand what identical triplets are like, 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: you can actually look different. It's just you have to 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: have the same blood type, the same eye color, the 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: same hair color. 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: Normally, I mean news fich Sovia has dyed her hair. 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: I hate to break everybody. 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, which one's the natural not to defend people who 31 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: write comments on the Daily Mail. But they actually couldn't 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: have picked two photos where we did look more different, 33 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: like I thought we looked quite different in the photos 34 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, but I want to do a test 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: to show some of these Daily Mail people. I think 36 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: we should go down and see if we can get 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: mistaken for one another, like you know, sometimes I've seen 38 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: triplets before. Do a Matt Donald's run where they'll drive 39 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: one after the other after the other to see the 40 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: person's action. 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 2: Or swap seats. Actually, no, we need to swap seats. 42 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, but this happens to us daily, like we 43 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: work together and people get us. 44 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: Confused all the time. 45 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: Also, I know, well it also happens at house inspections, 46 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: so so Sophie is still looking for a house, and 47 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: we'll come along to have a look and you'll be 48 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: inside and then they'll be like, hang on, won't you 49 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: just here? Well, the guy who sold the house to 50 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: Dale and I he was at this auction you're at, Sophie, 51 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, hi, Amy. 52 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: Firstly, how the hell did he actually remember my name? 53 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: That's impressive, or you gave him a really big game she. 54 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: Seemed to remember you. 55 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what kind of skit that I'm doing, I 56 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: think there's always going to be some person who interprets 57 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: it the wrong way. On Monday, MoMA MIA dropped its 58 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: much anticipated two part interview with Maddie Jay and Laura Byrne. 59 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: The episode came a week after Clementine Ford called out 60 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: the former Bachelor for a parenting video she said promoted 61 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: retro sexist stereotypes. The feminist writer went on to condemn 62 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: women's media publication Mom and MIA for supporting the Instagram video. 63 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: Now So, when Mia announced the episode last week, Clementine 64 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: wasn't happy. No. She ended up sharing a post that 65 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: said the gang's got to stick together, and she continued 66 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: saying the effort being put in to make sure everyone 67 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: one knows Maddie Johnson. 68 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: Is a great guy, is hilarious. 69 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Feels like it would have been easier to acknowledge it 70 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: was a bad take, but I guess that takes a 71 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: kind of reflection that's beyond the prom committee. Now, Mia 72 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: did end up turning comments off her posts, with some 73 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: questioning the timing of the episode and accusing her of 74 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: staring upop for downloads. I was really looking forward to 75 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: hearing this interview because all this shit storm had been 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: going on, and I was like, are they actually going 77 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: to address everything that's gone down? And it was interesting 78 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: because they broke the episode up into two parts, as 79 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: you said, and Mia Friedman, the host, left everyone on 80 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: a cliffhanger in episode one when in the last couple 81 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: of minutes of the episode, she brought up whether people 82 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: thought Mattie Jay's comedy videos about gender roles was funny 83 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: and if people actually got it, And in order to 84 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: hear Maddie Jay's response about the controversy, you had to 85 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: subscribe to episode two. It's a really great business move, 86 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: but I wonder how many people were pissed off because 87 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: I actually don't have a Mama MIA's subscription. 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: I know you do, so yeah, I. 89 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Was like, fuck, I've listened to this whole thing, and 90 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: I actually haven't heard what I came here to listen to. See. 91 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Business Wise, yes, obviously they're going to generate more subscribers 92 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: by doing it that way, but strategically, I don't think 93 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: it's a good look for Mamma Mia because the sort 94 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: of argument that a lot of people had when defending 95 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: Mama Mia or Maddie J and Laura was oh, well, 96 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: Clementine's just doing all of this so that she can 97 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: sell a book. But then by putting out an episode 98 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: where the only way you can listen to their defense 99 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: is by paying for a subscription, that's where you're falling 100 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: into sort of the same category. And I don't really 101 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: think it was helpful for Mattie J, because I assume 102 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: he agreed to be interviewed as a PR stunt to 103 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 1: change his image. However, when the message is put behind 104 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: a paywall, not everyone's going to pay to listen to it. 105 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I still think the first episode would have done a 106 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: lot for their branding, though, because they spent the whole 107 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: fifty minutes basically giving a great rapp as. 108 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: To what a great dad Maddy j Is. 109 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: They also detailed Maddie, j and Laura's upbringing in single 110 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: parent house hoolds and explained how tough it was for 111 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: them growing up. I can totally see why you would 112 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: want to bring that up, though, because I think from 113 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: their end, they're saying that everyone's looking at their life 114 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: now and assuming that they had a specific type of childhood. 115 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: So when you have actually struggled and people don't know 116 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: about that struggle, I can totally see why they wanted 117 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: to bring it up. But Clementine Ford was really painting 118 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: them as these wealthy influences that don't that are entitled 119 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: and don't need people to feel sorry for them, So 120 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: I suppose they wanted to be like, well, we have 121 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: had a tough life. The thing is this episode, it 122 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: kind of came across as everyone trying to prove what 123 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: a good dad Maddie is, and I don't think there 124 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: was a question mark over it. The question mark over 125 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: it was was this joke sexist? And should we not 126 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: be putting this type of content out? And they didn't 127 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: really address it. It seemed more like they were trying 128 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: to prove a point that didn't need to be proved 129 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: for those who don't have a Muma mea subscription. Let's 130 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: get into what was actually said in the second episode. 131 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: So it surprised me. It was only thirteen minutes long, 132 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: and it started with Meat outlining the content of the video. 133 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: The fact that it was only thirteen minutes long makes 134 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: me think that they just did the full interview and 135 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: left the question that everyone wanted to hear the answer to, 136 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: and then just goes, oh, we'll just clip that into 137 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: another episode. Well, Matt did discuss how when he first 138 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: put out the video, initially it was really well received 139 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the pendulum started to 140 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: swing and he started getting negative comments. And he said 141 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: in the interview, people saw it as though I was saying, 142 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: it's okay, how funny is this that women are so 143 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: silly and they work so hard and men are superior 144 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: and are able to display willful incompetence and it's fine, 145 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: which is not at all what I was trying to say. People, 146 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: I think were taking out that frustration from their own 147 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: experience on me. 148 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: Now. 149 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Mia then asked Matty Jay what he was trying to 150 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: say through the video, and he said, I was trying 151 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: to say that it's a perfect example of how detrimental 152 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: it can be when a guy doesn't pull his weight. 153 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: Do we buy that? 154 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: To me, it seems like they've had a whole week 155 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: to rephrase what the video was actually. 156 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: Meant to say. 157 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: Usually, you are making a satirical video and you're trying 158 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: to make a point, you might spell it out more 159 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: in the caption. I just think it would have been 160 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: better if he was honest and said, look, I was 161 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: actually poking fun at myself and other dads out there, 162 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone actually would have watched that 163 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: video and thought, oh, that's just Maddie Jay trying to 164 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: point out an example of how. 165 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Documented across like that. 166 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Though yeah, it didn't come across that he's trying to 167 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: make a statement about feminism and domestic duties and inequality 168 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: in the householder. Because if that was the point, surely 169 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: they would have made it immediately. And I think that 170 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: it would have been beneficial to say, totally get where 171 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: Clementine Ford is coming from and actually acknowledge her point 172 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: of view in the discussion, because it seems like they 173 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: were doing a lot of pussy footing around not actually 174 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: saying what the go was like. They didn't really, they 175 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: didn't even mention Clementine's name. 176 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: Nor that she had taken a potshot at Mum and Mia. 177 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: That was the weirdest thing during this whole interview. Clementine 178 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Ford's name was not mentioned once, and Laura even said, oh, 179 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm not going to name names, but then went into something. 180 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: And I just found it really awkward because I would 181 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: have assumed that Mia would have brought her involvement into 182 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: the story into it and explained, you know, maybe even 183 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: made a joke, Oh, it's awkward that we're all here 184 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: because we're apparently part of this group. Well, I understand 185 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: that Clementine Ford kind of inserted mea into the narrative, 186 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: but she is really playing into it by then having 187 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: them on her podcast. So I think, as a listener, 188 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: and I do love the MMA Mia podcast, I would 189 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: have appreciated that transparency to say, look, I was you know, 190 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: I had a potshot made against me. 191 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 2: This is our relationship. 192 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: Because in the first episode, Mia was speaking to Laura 193 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: about the rise of Life on Cut and she said 194 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: when they started out, she actually said, oh, come over 195 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: to Mama Mia. You don't want to be producing it independently. 196 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: You don't make any money off independent podcasts. It was 197 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: quite evident during this interview just how close Laura and 198 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: MIA's relationship is, because when Laura was asked about how 199 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: she responds to criticism, Laura said that usually she likes 200 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: to take a leaf out of MEA's book and ignore 201 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: all these sorts of things. And I thought it was 202 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: quite an ironic comment to make that they're ignoring it, 203 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: and they didn't, you know, hit back at people, because 204 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: Laura did put out an Instagram story which she subsequently deleted. 205 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: And also they are appearing on a podcast a week 206 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: later giving their. 207 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: Side of things. 208 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not like they were promoting anything. It 209 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: wasn't like they tried to hide it. Oh, and the 210 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: timing was so obvious, like it was like we've called 211 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: an emergency interview. 212 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: Basically. 213 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about outrage culture as well, 214 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: and Laura said that at the moment, the algorithm rewards 215 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: outrage and not to name names, but anyone who uses 216 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: this tactic to get really angry about something like an 217 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: injustice is able to grow their following. There were a 218 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: few times that they referred to what happened to them 219 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: as an injustice. The reality is that everyone is talking 220 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: about it to get some kind of game. I mean, 221 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about it because people want to hear about it, 222 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: and obviously we want to attract listeners to our podcast 223 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: as well. Mum and Mia know that people want to 224 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: hear Maddie and Laura's side, Clementine's talking about it because 225 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: people want to engage with it. Everyone's getting something out 226 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: economy at the moment. And the thing is, though, this 227 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: story would have died last week if Maddie Jay and 228 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,359 Speaker 1: Laura hadn't decided to appear. 229 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: On Mum and mea So it's kind of interesting. 230 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Both camps seem to be being like, oh, this person's 231 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: using it for money. This person's like, well, everyone in 232 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: a sense is using it for eyeballs and the attention economy. 233 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: It was interesting in this episode because they also went 234 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: into sort of their strategy. So I always love hearing 235 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: about what's gone on behind the scenes when a shit 236 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: storm like this blows up. And Maddie Jay said that 237 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: when all the negative comments started flowing in, he was 238 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: actually on a bus with his kids to the aquarium 239 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: and he ran Laura asking her. 240 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: What to do. 241 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: I do really feel for Maddie in this instance, because 242 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: I know what it feels like, and we all do 243 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: to be involved in some sort of online drama and you, 244 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: just from my perspective, you get this cold sweat going 245 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: and everything in your world is just orbiting around this drama, and. 246 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: You're like, what do I do? 247 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: And you have to act so quickly, and that's why 248 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you do end up putting out things that you're like, oh, 249 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. I also feel for Laura 250 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: because sometimes I think it's harder when something happens to 251 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: someone you love. Even this week, we had this weird 252 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Daily Mail article come out about our engagement and proposals, 253 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: and there was a photo of our partners and there 254 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: were a couple of jerks in the comment section writing 255 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: nasty things about their appearance, and I just saw red 256 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: and I just thought, well, I can see why Laura 257 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: did want to jump on the defense and say something, Oh. 258 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: It's admirable. 259 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: And one really good thing that came out of the 260 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Mum and mea interview was my respect has grown even 261 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: more for Laura Burn hearing about her view on motherhood 262 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: and the workforce, because I think there are a lot 263 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: of people like we're obviously in an age group where 264 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: we're thinking of having children, and to hear that her 265 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: career has been able to go on and she has 266 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: got that support from matt was really lovely to hear. 267 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: And that's why. 268 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: They've done the interview. Yeah, because it's been a perfect 269 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: PR exercise for them. It's been a good PR exercise 270 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: for Mum and mea because I'm sure that a few 271 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: more people are signed up to their subscription. And it's 272 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: clear that despite the fact that Mia didn't say where 273 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: she stood on the issue or what she thought of 274 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: the video, it's clear that she is a huge supporter 275 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: of Matti J because she said a number of times 276 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: that she thinks what he's doing for dads is fantastic. 277 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: And the episode was also used to promote Mattie Jay's 278 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: parenting podcast. In saying that as much as I do 279 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: really respect me A Freedman and love her podcast, I 280 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: was disappointed that she didn't give her opinion on the 281 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: video or the fallout, not even her opinion, but asked 282 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: the tough question. Yeah. I understand that she was reluctant 283 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: to do so because she probably didn't want to turn 284 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: it into a slinging match. I would have just loved 285 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: to hear her take on the video though, because she's 286 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: so well educated on feminist matters, and I would have 287 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: liked to hear her take on domestic. 288 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: Inequality because it's something that they. 289 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Talk about a lot on their podcast, and I wanted 290 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: to hear why in this case she was supportive of 291 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: Matty Jay, and also on their podcast they talk a 292 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: lot about respectfully disagreeing, so I you know, I think 293 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: Clementine Ford made the point this isn't about ten wearing 294 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: the people down, it's just actually talking about the issue, 295 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: and this would have been a great opportunity for me 296 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: to say, oh, actually, like, I see what Clementine was saying, 297 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: but I still can support you. Yeah. I also thought 298 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: it would have been a better move if they'd had 299 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: someone else interview Laura and Maddie j particularly if Mea 300 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: Friedman wasn't going to give her view on the matter, 301 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: because quite often on No Filter she does have a 302 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: number of other journalists feel in and I think it 303 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: would have made it less personal. Yeah, I would have 304 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: liked to hear Holly Wayne Rights. 305 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god. 306 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: I love Holly Wayne Right, and she always has the 307 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: best takes on domestic duties because primarily her husband does 308 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: a lot of the labor there, and she. 309 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Is so strong on that topic. 310 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: I also didn't really feel like much reflection had happened. 311 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: There was a lot of discussion about this injustice on them, 312 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: and I would have almost preferred for them to reflect 313 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: and say, well, we could have handled it better and 314 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: we're sorry for anyone who did take offense to this video, 315 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: because that was not our intention at all at the 316 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: time of recording. Clementine Ford hasn't responded. I am interested 317 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: to see if she will. She is in the middle 318 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: of a book tour at the moment, so she's a 319 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: busy woman. 320 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 4: Every football fan. I'm just sanging this song. Posh Bias 321 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: takes it up. The excuse my language, not very lady like, 322 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: but seventy five thousand people singing that. I mean, it's embarrassing. 323 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: It's hurtful. I remember sitting down and the lady next 324 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: to me, she turned to me. She didn't know what 325 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: to say. 326 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: She said, you're a polo brand. 327 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Beckham is back thanks to the new Netflix docu series 328 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: called Beckham. The four part series dropped on Wednesday and 329 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: explores football with David Beckham's career and private life, including 330 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: his marriage. 331 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: To Victoria Beckham. 332 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: I feel like everyone is falling in love with this 333 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: couple again. I was obsessed with this docu series, and 334 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: it's not just sports fans either. I initially thought this 335 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: was a bit of a pop culture. I was trying 336 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: to twist Reese's arm be like, can we watch it? 337 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: And then he was like, the joke's on you. It's 338 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: all about sport. 339 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: But I love it. 340 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: Oh. 341 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: I found all of those elements about his career so 342 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: fascinating because I didn't know that it wasn't his decision 343 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: to leave Manchester United, and the fact that he was 344 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: played there as a fifteen year old boy and then 345 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: basically his family there turned their back on him at 346 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: twenty seven. That would have been such a huge and 347 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: upsetting part. 348 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: Of his life. 349 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: My favorite part of the docco was the early half 350 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: where they were talking about how much money he would 351 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: spend and how basically the money would just come straight 352 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: out of his paycheck and he buys something and one 353 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: of the teammates said he bought a pen, Like who 354 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: buys an expensive pad? Yeah? Well, I think that doco 355 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: has been so popular because we're seeing this trend of 356 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: trying to reframe the treatment of celebrities from the nineties 357 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: and early two thousands. We saw that with the recent 358 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: Britney Spears doco. Normally it has been focused on women, 359 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: but it was interesting to focus on David and Victoria Beckham, 360 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: of course, because I always thought that David Beckham was 361 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a golden child with the media. I mean, 362 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: I know they had the alleged cheating scandals, but I 363 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: didn't realize he was such a divisive figure in soccer. 364 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: That's what made me. 365 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: So angry is how flippant the soccer fans were, and 366 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: also how terrible the UK press is. 367 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: The way that they. 368 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: Treated him was absolutely a poll And the incident you're 369 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: referring to is in the nineteen ninety eight World Cup, 370 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: and this is when David was of course playing for 371 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: England and he ended up being red carded after some 372 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: guy pushed him in the back and he kind of retaliated. 373 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: With a small kick. I don't even think he ends 374 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: up really kidding. 375 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: He was on the ground and his legs sort of 376 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: kicked up. He didn't even make contact. They interviewed the 377 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: player afterwards as in like twenty years on and he said, yeah, 378 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think that was fair. At the West bit 379 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: was that the England manager, Glenn Hoddle, ended up blaming 380 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: David Beckham for England losing and getting out of the 381 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: World Cup. He said in an interview that Beckham had 382 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: cost England the match, and this in turn ended up 383 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: meaning that he was getting death threats. They even had 384 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: an epigy of him hanging from a building it was discussing. 385 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe. 386 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I know English people love soccer, but to 387 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: turn on one of your own like that, it was disgusting. 388 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: And I think this was a big part of the 389 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: appeal of this doco and also of the Beckhams, because 390 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: while they were victims in a sense, they didn't center 391 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: themselves as victims. They didn't complain, they didn't blame people. 392 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, when David was talking about the red card incident, 393 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: he did show a lot of remorse and he said 394 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: his biggest concern was hurting his parents. So he said 395 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: it brought a lot of attention that I would never 396 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: wish on anyone, let alone my parents. And I can't 397 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: forgive myself. I was the one who made this mistake. 398 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: David Beckham just also comes across as a pretty straightforward, 399 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: lovely guy. And what people really liked in this doco 400 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: is that you could see the internal struggle he has, 401 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: which is quite interesting because he's obviously had this incredible 402 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: career and life, but you get this glimpse of his 403 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: addictive personality and OCD. And throughout this doco they always 404 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: show him obsessively cleaning and organizing his wardrobe, and at 405 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: one point he even talks about how each night he 406 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: goes and does a clean up around the kitchen and 407 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: around the lound room and he trims the candle wicks 408 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: and cleans out you know when candles get the little 409 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: black around them from the smoke. 410 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: He goes as far as cleaning that, yeah, like torture. 411 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: I know. Even when he was showing off his wardrobe 412 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: and was like, hang on, someone's been in here. What 413 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: about when Posh had left something out? He's like, yeah, 414 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: she've got this, you know, and you could just tell 415 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: that she had she was over it, like she had 416 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: it up. It is interesting because the director, Fisher Stevens, 417 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: he originally turned down the doco because he couldn't see 418 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: the struggle in the Beckham's life. However, he soon discovered 419 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: that this was it. He said, there's a struggle inside 420 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: of this man, even though he presumably has everything and 421 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: is one of the best looking dudes you've ever seen. 422 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: I think there's a real inner turmoil to him. That 423 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: is the ticking clock of our film. On the topic 424 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: of him being a very good looking man, I need 425 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: to agree he is stunning at every age. Like he 426 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: not only looked amazing at forty seven, but some of 427 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: those old clips. 428 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, the blond eer. 429 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Sophie and I was sending each other photos of David 430 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: at Manu and like it was so funny because Day 431 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: was like, can I weraw your phone? 432 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: I was thinking, fuck, my whole. 433 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Google search is just like David Beckham young. I couldn't 434 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: get over the blonde hair and every style he had 435 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: and it looked good. I wasn't a fan of the 436 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: shaved hair. He looked like a model with the shaved head. 437 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: At first, I was like, what did he do? And 438 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: then they showed all those photo shoots with him with 439 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: the shaved head, and I was like, nah, that looks 440 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: good too. I loved how they kept showing girls in 441 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: the crowd taking photos and that their old school cameras. 442 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: You imagine if David Beckham was in his twenties now, 443 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: how many TikTok pages would be dedicated to him. 444 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: They probably still are at the. 445 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: Moment, I need to know what was your favorite David 446 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: Beckham hairstyle. I feel like there's a few, but the 447 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: ultimate one has to be I think it was in 448 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: ninety seven where he had the highlights and it was 449 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: sort of flicked back the floppy hair. 450 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: I think that was. 451 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: When he did that his first press conference when he'd 452 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: signed on to that brand, and he just looked just 453 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: like such a model. 454 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: Last that star quality like that was so evident. 455 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I love how Posh always had to do his hair 456 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: like their son had just been born and he was 457 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: going down to do the presser and she's like. 458 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: Can you fix my hair? 459 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: What about when she admitted that she had sort of 460 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: gone along to the game to have it of a stalk. 461 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: I loved how open. 462 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: She was and it was so cute because I couldn't 463 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: believe there had been that moment that he'd seen her 464 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: on TV and gone I'm going to marry her. Yeah, 465 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: that was the biggest takeaway For me of this documentary though, 466 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: it was how in love and in awe of each 467 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: other they were, and also the fact that they both 468 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: said that they grew up with not many friends in 469 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: the friendship circle, and it was clear that they were 470 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: one another's support and it was clear that they were 471 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: in one of those early relationships where you just sort 472 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: of dump everyone and that person's your whole world. Oh 473 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: the fact that he would drive for hours and hours 474 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: to see her for like twenty minutes. I think it 475 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: is a real testament to the Beckhams how many people 476 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: actually put up their hand to be interviewed on this doco, 477 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: because while they might not have had many friends growing up, 478 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: they certainly have a lot of famous friends now. We 479 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: did see Tom Cruise and Will Smith hold a welcome 480 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: party when Beckham went over to la And while there 481 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: were the people that you'd expect, like David's family and 482 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: obviously Victoria Beckham, there were a few surprises like Anna 483 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: Wintor popping up and she was there on the doco 484 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: to explain the cultural impact of Posh and Becks. It 485 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: was disappointing to see that Glenn Hoddle didn't actually make 486 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: it on the doco. Apparently the director asked him many 487 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: times if he would be on it, but he just 488 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: kept saying no. It was brave of Sir Alex Ferguson 489 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: to appear because he wouldn't be a very popular guy. 490 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: He was the one that kicked the boot that hit 491 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: Beckham in the face. 492 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: I love how everyone's like he could never done that again. 493 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: It was like the one in a chance. 494 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: I did love how the Manchester United form a receptionist. 495 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: She became the breakout star of the doco series, so 496 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: she was in charge of dealing with all of Beckham's 497 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: fan mail, and she spoke about how women would send 498 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: in their underpants and it was quite hilarious. She said, 499 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: it's not nice, is it sending underwear to a boy? 500 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: I put them to one side and didn't reply. 501 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: I love how she always had these points. She's like, 502 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into that. I say that she'd. 503 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Be such a good employee, just keeping everything secret. I 504 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: think the most viral parts of this documentary, and some 505 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: of my favorite parts came from. 506 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: Victoria Beckham's interviews. 507 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I love when she was talking about how the fans 508 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: would chant stuff about her. Oh, and it was Victoria 509 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: takes it up the ass and she said, I mean, 510 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and the woman next to me doesn't 511 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: know what to say, so she asked me if I 512 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: want to polo. 513 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: It was fucking classic. She I love her. 514 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: She is an icons She's so just sure of herself 515 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: and funny. 516 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's hilarious. 517 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: I also loved David's response to that, and he's like, 518 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: obviously thought it was quite funny. Well, I suppose the 519 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: other viral moment that everyone's talking about is when Posh 520 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: and Beck's were arguing about their working class background. So 521 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: Victoria was trying to pass herself off as working class 522 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: and David interrupted the interview and was like, tell her 523 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: what type of car your dad drove your school? 524 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: So I ended up she was driven to school in 525 00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: a roles. 526 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I did some digging because her name is obviously Posh Spice, 527 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: So it turns out that she comes from a nouveau 528 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: Risch family, so her parents had an electronics company that 529 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: boomed in the eighties, so it's not like she grew 530 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: up with a lot of wealth and she got the 531 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: name Posh Spice because she was posher than the others, 532 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: but not really Posh. 533 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: But she was born in nineteen eighty two. 534 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: Isn't she the same age as David Beckham, so she would. 535 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: Have grown up with that wealth. 536 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not old money, and I think that's 537 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: quite important in England. I also love the moment where 538 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: Victoria was talking about how she was just about to 539 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: give birth to their third child and she was in 540 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: hospital and David said, sorry, I can't actually make it. 541 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm having a photo with Jennifer Lopez and also Beyonce. 542 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: And the next day they had this front page spread 543 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: of the photo and it said what would Posh think? 544 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: And she said, what would I think? I was fucking furious. 545 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: Now, while this docco has been heavily praised, there is 546 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: some criticism regarding the way the alleged affair was discussed. 547 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: So one publication has criticized the director, Fisher Stevens for 548 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: not directly asking David whether he had an affair with 549 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: Rebecca Loose. So, for those who haven't seen the doco, 550 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: the affair is framed as a tabloid scandal, but neither 551 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: David or Victoria directly acknowledged the affair or deny it. 552 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: They also don't mention Rebecca's name anywhere during the documentary, 553 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: because I was really waiting for this part of the 554 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: documentary to. 555 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: Come up, and I thought, oh is that Yeah. 556 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: Well, Fisher was asked about it and he says it 557 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: wasn't pleasant to discuss, but they did get into it, 558 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: and he chose to approach it by asking how their 559 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: marriage stayed together. I mean, to me, I would have 560 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: liked it to be further discussed. I know it is 561 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: a touchy subject, but it was meant to be a 562 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: tell all docucers. 563 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: That's thought. 564 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: They kind of implied that it had happened, especially when 565 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: Victorias said, you know, we were always a team and 566 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: then suddenly when he went to Madrid, we weren't. 567 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 2: A team anymore, and that was more so. 568 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: I felt like she was referring to after the effair. 569 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: But even David said, it's our personal life. I don't 570 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: want to go into it. There was a lot of 571 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: discussion circling around the issue, but no one actually said 572 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: her name. And I feel like every other scandal they 573 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: went in depth about it. You've got to remember that 574 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: they've got a family who were going to watch that show. 575 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: I think that you then obviously not wanting to dig 576 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: up the past trauma. Again, it is probably a criticism 577 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: to the director of this, but you can only work 578 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: with what they're willing. 579 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: To give you. 580 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: Well, it did turn out that the docu series was 581 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: co produced by Beckham's own media company, Studio ninety nine, 582 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: so I feel like that would have had a little 583 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: bit to do with it. I mean, critics are saying 584 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: that this doco is a perfectly crafted piece of pr 585 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: for the Beckhams, and I tend to agree. I mean, 586 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: it's not actually the first time that we've seen an 587 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: inside glimpse into their lives. Back in two thousand and seven, 588 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: the couple actually appeared in an hour long NBC special 589 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: called Victoria Beckham Coming to America, and this show followed 590 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: the family's move to California after David got signed to 591 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: La Galaxy, and it was meant to be a six 592 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: part series, but it did get condensed down to one special. However, 593 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: you can find all of the episodes on YouTube, which 594 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: is amazing. But I feel like Posh was very different 595 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: on this series, Like you saw the fun side of her, 596 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: but a lot of people in America didn't get it. 597 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: So one US critic described it as an orgy of 598 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: self indulgence so out of whack with reality that you 599 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: sit there slapjawed at the goal of these people who 600 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: think we're that stupid. Victoria did say that even watching 601 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: back the clips for the documentary, she didn't recognize herself 602 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: in a lot of them. Yeah, but during that time, 603 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: so you've got to remember that that's when they were 604 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: producing like The Simple Life and Jessica Simpson. It was 605 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: like it was cool to be a bit ditzy and stuff. 606 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: They weren't. She wasn't ditsy. 607 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: I think that people just didn't get her humor, Like 608 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: the UK humor wasn't appreciated by the US audience because 609 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: there were scenes where she met up with Perez Hilton 610 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: and she challenged him over an article that he had 611 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: written saying that she was a robot with big boobs, 612 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: and she actually stood in front of him and said, 613 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: they're not even that big. She also said that she 614 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: wasn't going to eat a cookie that he bought her 615 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: because she couldn't be seen to be eating in public. 616 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: This documentary, it seems to have wet everyone's appetites for 617 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: more about the Beckhams, like it just wasn't enough as 618 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: you touched on Kate, there were so many things that 619 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: were sort of just mentioned, but they didn't go into 620 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: enough detail, which I really wanted. 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We covered 643 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: the story a couple of months ago on the podcast, 644 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: but to bring you up to speed, three food bloggers 645 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Julie and Belinda Newen and Jennifer Doe are suing Chinese 646 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: restaurant Silver Pearl for defamation. So it all kicked off 647 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: on Christmas Date twenty twenty, when the food bloggers allegedly 648 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: refuse to pay for their lobster dinner after claiming they'd 649 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: fallen ill. Now, the restaurant branded them as fraudulent diners 650 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: on their Instagram account, which has led to the food 651 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: bloggers suing for defamation in the Federal core. Now, recent 652 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: court documents obtained by news dot com reveal a different 653 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: picture of the alleged events. So in it, the women 654 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: claim that their lives had been ruined over a meal 655 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: they never ate. So the women say they had done 656 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: about one hundred restaurant reviews in exchange for meals at 657 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: other venues, but on this occasion they attended Silver Pearl 658 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: as regular customers. Now. Shortly after arriving, Belinda and Julie 659 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: say they took photos near the Christmas display before coming 660 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: back to the table, where their mum's partner said he 661 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: sampled the food a few times and it smelt really off. 662 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: He said it tasted bitter and he didn't feel good. 663 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: Now. 664 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: The Food Bloggers alleged that they didn't want to risk it, 665 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: so they called over the manager to explain that the 666 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: food smelt off. They said that the manager said it 667 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: was fresh and they would never do that now. After this, 668 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: they alleged that an argument broke out and the group left, 669 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: leaving thirty dollars on the. 670 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: Table for the wine but not paying for the food. Now. 671 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: According to the Food bloggers mum's partner's evidence in court, 672 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: he said he I felt a little funny in his stomach, 673 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: but not too bad at this time, and ate some 674 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: of the lobster, but not as much as he normally would. 675 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: It does sound quite funny because they did end up 676 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: going to another lobster restaurant. It reminds me on The 677 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: Simpsons when Homer just wanted all you can eat seafood 678 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: and went fishing. However, it was Christmas Day, so that 679 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: kind of puts it more into perspective, like, if you're 680 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: eating on Christmas, you're eating a lot, and if you 681 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: don't get one Christmas dinner, you're gonna go to another restaurant. Well, 682 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: that's why they're so eager to say that they didn't 683 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: actually eat any of the food, because if the food 684 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: was actually bad and they were sick from it, they 685 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: then wouldn't go to another lobster restaurant. And the food 686 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: bloggers said that the fallout from Silver Pearl's social media 687 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: posts has been so bad that they've been fearing for 688 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: their own safety because the online abuse has actually turned 689 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: into real life abuse out in public. And Belinda alleges 690 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: that she received private messages that were aggressive and threatening 691 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: and that people in the Vietnamese community were saying they 692 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: had disowned her. I hardly think drawing more attention to 693 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: this matter by taking it to court is actually reducing 694 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: that abuse, though I feel like people would have seen 695 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: the social media post and gotten over it pretty quickly. 696 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it was in December twenty twenty. Yeah, but 697 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: at the same time they're trying to clear their names. 698 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: I can understand wanting to trun clear your name for 699 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: something that you didn't do. Because she said that when 700 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: she's out in public, people point at her, laugh and 701 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: call her a scammer, and she said that it also 702 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: made her lose her desire to work in law and 703 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: also the corporate world. 704 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 2: It's a lot of fuss over a dinner, isn't it. 705 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: Also it makes sense that they have a background in 706 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: law because maybe they saw this situation thought, oh, we've 707 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: got you here. Off the back of this story, the 708 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph is reporting that insurance companies are now creating 709 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: bespoke policies to protect food bloggers. 710 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: From legal action. 711 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: There've been really that many food bloggers out there that 712 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: would be needing this. I feel like food bloggers became 713 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: a bit irrelevant in recent years, but now because. 714 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: Of TikTok, they've become bigger. 715 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: They're now being known as FOODI influences, and they'll create 716 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: little snapshots of reviews. And the thing that's different now 717 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: is that they're actually giving their honest opinion, whereas, like 718 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, we used to host these events called 719 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: eaton Tweet for another PFM I worked out and basically 720 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: all of the people would just give a raving review just. 721 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: To get a free meal. 722 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: But now a lot of these food influencers know that 723 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: to get a proper following, they need their followers to 724 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: actually trust what they're saying and know that they're on points. 725 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: So if they go to a restaurant and say, oh, 726 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: well this was shit, but this person on line set 727 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: it was great. And I also think a lot of 728 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: businesses don't want to pay food bloggers to come in 729 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: and just give a fake opinion. Because I've got a 730 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: friend who runs a business here, it's a food business, 731 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: and he said that he has a lot of people 732 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: messaging him saying. 733 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: Oh, I'll come in and I'll do a review. 734 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: And he said, why would I want you to say 735 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: that another place in Adelaide is amazing, that's worse than 736 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: my place, and that, you know, because then people don't 737 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: trust what they're saying. It's a real gamble for these restaurants. Though. 738 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I saw just the other day this Assai Bowl place 739 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: that Sammy Robinson goes to all the time, they put 740 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: up a post saying, oh my God, look at the 741 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: huge response we have from someone like Sammy Robbinson just 742 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: sharing about us, and they shared a screenshot of all 743 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: of the followers that were popping up. So, if someone 744 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: gives a favorable reviews, yeah, genuine, it's going to be 745 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: huge for your business. But alternatively, if you get a 746 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: negative review, you are going to be in so much 747 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: trouble and it's going to really impact your business. And 748 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: that's why some of these restaurants are seeking legal action 749 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: over what they may deem to be unflattering or untrue 750 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: assessments of their restaurants. Well insurance companies are saying that 751 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: influencers are more likely to be sued than traditional journalists. 752 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, journalists work normally for 753 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: big organizations and they have lawyers in house that can 754 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: protect them. But with an influencer, they have built their 755 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: brand on their own. They don't normally have a big 756 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: team behind them. I mean, I know, working in newsrooms, 757 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: you guys would be familiar with it. 758 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: If there is a story that's a little. 759 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: Bit controversial, they'll run it past the lawyers and make 760 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: sure that what they're reporting is fine. 761 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I know when I was working at today tonight. 762 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: There was this view that they could basically say whatever 763 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: they wanted because most of the people who were in 764 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: the stories wouldn't have the means to sue a large 765 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: media organization, which is terrible, but it's it's true, you know. 766 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: And a restaurant isn't going to go out and sue 767 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: a Daily Telegraph journalist, isn't it because they're going to 768 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: be scared and they're going to think we're going to 769 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: waste a lot of money. But whereas influencers, they probably think, oh, 770 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: how much money do they really have? 771 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 2: Little I have. 772 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: Now that's all we've got time for today. Thank you 773 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: so much for listening to another episode about Spoken. If 774 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: you did enjoy it, we'd love if you could go 775 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: and leave us a five star review. This podcast was 776 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of 777 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: the Adelaide Planes. 778 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.