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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how those roles move around. Whether

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Speaker 1: be a busy week in parliament, and we know that

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Speaker 1: the Shadow Minister for Territory Families and Opposition Whip, Joshua

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning to you listening now.

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Speaker 1: Josh, you and I have spoken a lot on the

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, we've basically taken a whole heap of range

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Speaker 1: So, Josh, what do you reckon needs to happen here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, Katie, And this is exactly the confusion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much to this, Katie, and to break

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Speaker 1: All right, Josh. Late yesterday we learned another two police

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Speaker 2: It'll be on Wednesday, Kadie. And this increased level of

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Speaker 2: That's the whole idea of a minimum term of imprisonment

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Speaker 2: Spoken for a long time about a whole range of

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Speaker 2: be doing doing this morning.

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Speaker 1: Well, Josh Burgoyne, we always appreciate your time. I know

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Speaker 1: it's been a busy morning. I am seeing the launch

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Speaker 1: of the Salvation Army's Red Shield appeal. You were right there.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, we both got to get out of

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Speaker 1: here and make sure that we're on the radio in time.

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Speaker 2: The scowed my way up the hill very quickly. Cat

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Speaker 2: to make this, but I'm glad I did good

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Speaker 1: On you mate, Thank you, thanks for your time today.