Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
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Speaker 2: It is Flex and Frooms on Cata. Discovered something so
Speaker 2: strange about myself. I don't think I sit on the
Speaker 2: toilet seat properly, dear. I sit halfway off it when
Speaker 2: my back should be touching the back of it. Right. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I've been trialing that and it's been far more enjoyable.
Speaker 2: So check the way you sit in your toilet scene.
Speaker 1: You're still sitting on your corn stool.
Speaker 2: Now I use that for my feet. Yeah, I still
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Speaker 2: According to people of the Internet, Australian Fashion Week isn't giving.
Speaker 2: More specifically after pay Australian Fashion Week. I don't be
Speaker 2: confused with Mercedes Benz Australian Fashion Week.
Speaker 1: Listen to this.
Speaker 2: It's from a TikToker called Styling Emily Beanie.
Speaker 3: I love Australian style, but is anyone else looking at
Speaker 3: the Australian Fashion Week stuff and thinking what's going on?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like USh and week in any way.
Speaker 1: It looks like a load of girls and Princess Polly would.
Speaker 2: You like to share your thoughts before we before I
Speaker 2: get into my diatribe.
Speaker 1: Yes, please.
Speaker 3: I didn't go to fashion Week this week, which I
Speaker 3: really regret because I got excited looking at all the fits,
Speaker 3: and then I went to my room and tried on
Speaker 3: this really good outfit that I could have worn. A beautiful,
Speaker 3: flouncy y two K dress with a Burberry trench coat
Speaker 3: vintage naturally, and some thigh high boots.
Speaker 2: Is it a new purchase.
Speaker 3: No, it's actually the Burbery coat I wore five years
Speaker 3: ago to fashion Week, so I thought it's a nice
Speaker 3: recycle moment.
Speaker 1: Great for the produce use.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But I will say there were some real givers, just
Speaker 3: to say some names.
Speaker 1: Yasmin Sue Teaser. Yeah, every day she creates.
Speaker 2: Multiple fashion outfit changes per day.
Speaker 1: Flex mummy, of course. But I'll let you continue.
Speaker 2: So I'm in two minds about fashion Week. I have
Speaker 2: been to and worked out a few fashion weeks, doing
Speaker 2: vox pops and things like that, and I've said quite
Speaker 2: early on it's not my interest, mainly because I can't
Speaker 2: wear a lot of the clothes that have been on
Speaker 2: the runway recently. Though, so given that it's been brought
Speaker 2: up by after Pay. It's switched over to quite a
Speaker 2: consumer angle. So a lot of the outfits that you
Speaker 2: see on the runway you can shop straight away. They're
Speaker 2: aligning themselves with Australian fashion retailers and not just you know, designers.
Speaker 2: Consumer angle number one. On the opposite end of the spectrum,
Speaker 2: when has Australia ever been aligned with the rest of
Speaker 2: the world on plenty of things. I think that Australians
Speaker 2: have a natural disrespect for Australian made things, whether it's movies, music,
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, no, not me, I love Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about people who
Speaker 2: won't watch a TV show because it's made in Australia,
Speaker 2: but will watch it because it's made in America. Who
Speaker 2: won't listen to an artist because they're from Australia, but
Speaker 2: who will listen to them once they move to America.
Speaker 2: I will say with this feedback about it looks like
Speaker 2: a bunch of fast fashion people and whatever, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 2: what you're seeing from Australian Fashion Week is algorithmic bab
Speaker 2: And granted, when I went I went to get my
Speaker 2: piggy outside of Carriageworks and I went right home.
Speaker 1: Couldn't even go to a show.
Speaker 2: I didn't go, Oh hard, didn't go. Who dressed you
Speaker 2: by bambat Melbourne based Australian fashion label, Yeah, yeah inclusive.
Speaker 1: You looks fantastic.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. What I will say is it's algorithmic,
Speaker 2: so what you saw is a reflection of what you consume.
Speaker 2: I have never seen a fashion week with more sustainable
Speaker 2: and sustainably dressed people more like wowser outfits. I personally
Speaker 2: didn't see a lot of fast fashion, but maybe that's
Speaker 2: not what I'm following. Also, I think that everything is
Speaker 2: a contradictory pendulum swing. How did there been a bunch
Speaker 2: of people showing out and their cookiest, wackiest outfits. You
Speaker 2: would have been like, this isn't what fashion is about.
Speaker 2: Why can't people just go to these events and just
Speaker 2: wear what they usually wear? La la la la. You're
Speaker 2: putting on outfits you wouldn't even wear to go to
Speaker 2: this place. It's not genuine. So sometimes you need to
Speaker 2: take TikTok commentary with a grain of salt. I will say,
Speaker 2: none of this feedback is really helpful, and it's okay
Speaker 2: to hate on STFF. I hate on stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: So let's leave room for being a hater, but also
Speaker 2: let's also leave room for all the new and upcoming
Speaker 2: designers who showed really broke some standards, won some award
Speaker 2: and you're lumping them in with this like rhetoric of
Speaker 2: like it was just fast fashion girl, he's doing fast
Speaker 2: fashion things. It's not helpful.
Speaker 1: Eric Yvonne is that how I pronounce his name?
Speaker 2: Things?
Speaker 3: So wow, all I can say is got to E
Speaker 3: R I K and then y v O N. I
Speaker 3: watched the whole like runway cut that he put on Instagram,
Speaker 3: and the whole time I was swinging saying I love
Speaker 3: all of these outfits, and the drama of the show.
Speaker 1: Was next level. So it is exciting.
Speaker 3: I think fru meno boo, mummy, lex Mom.
Speaker 4: You're listening to flex and frooms on Kita did I Flexie.
Speaker 3: I'm asking the big question, do you really like your
Speaker 3: partner or do you just want what they've got? The
Speaker 3: question was originally posed on Vice.
Speaker 1: It got me.
Speaker 3: Thinking, I mean, first and foremost, I didn't find it
Speaker 3: our produce, Kayla founder, and that's why we have your testimony,
Speaker 3: That's why we have such a burgeoning relationship. Michayla's only
Speaker 3: been with us for about a month and we're just
Speaker 3: having such.
Speaker 1: A fun time.
Speaker 2: We're locked in.
Speaker 3: And in the article it named a few reasons why
Speaker 3: you might want to be with a partner. Let me
Speaker 3: read them out. Personal gain, I mean, which are surface level.
Speaker 2: We're both giving things. I want to get something out
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Gifts. Number two is loneliness.
Speaker 3: Are you just using your partner because you're lonely? I mean,
Speaker 3: that's what are we doing on earth?
Speaker 1: And number three psychical? Is this cycle physical? Kayla?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, we're not going to buy Michaela's typos when
Speaker 2: she's fishy. This information kind of the goodness of her
Speaker 2: heart physic.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, psychical?
Speaker 3: Did you just swear, Mikayla. You go, you're going to
Speaker 3: air and physical connections. So that's intimacy. Do with that
Speaker 3: what you will. I believe that every relationship is something
Speaker 3: that you get out of It's like that classic I
Speaker 3: don't know if in high school you like discuss this,
Speaker 3: but the idea that nothing is altruistic? Did you go
Speaker 3: through that like little subject where it's like, what is altruism?
Speaker 1: Is anything really altrub to me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm getting flashbacks because when I say all relationships
Speaker 2: are transactional, now you want to look at me funny, noy,
Speaker 2: you want look at me funny. I think if we
Speaker 2: respect the transaction, we would appreciate when we're being given things,
Speaker 2: when we're taking things, because that's what happens in most relationships.
Speaker 2: You don't appreciate what someone's given you because you think
Speaker 2: you're entitled to it by virtue of this connection. If
Speaker 2: every time your partner or your best friend sent you
Speaker 2: a meme or a calendar invite to go to coffee,
Speaker 2: or they took the time out to tell you a
Speaker 2: story that really interested them, if you really respected what
Speaker 2: was happening there, you'd be like, damn, I'm so lucky.
Speaker 2: You could tell anyone this, but you've chosen me. Do
Speaker 2: you like your partner or do you just want what
Speaker 2: they've got? I would argue that both are necessary. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for a relationship. I find that I'm often drawn to people,
Speaker 2: or I have been, who are either just like me
Speaker 2: or are lacking so like a lot of my friends, introverted,
Speaker 2: really empathetic people, acts of service, kings and queens, we
Speaker 2: don't have overlapping skills and it's like, oh, it's great
Speaker 2: because now we co create this relationship that actually takes
Speaker 2: effort because we're not bringing the same thing into it
Speaker 2: as opposed to some relationships where are like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: just my doppelganger. I'm here because I'm obsessed with myself.
Speaker 1: Siblings or dating. That's the original question.
Speaker 3: I think that I have dated people in the past
Speaker 3: who I feel are more sophisticated than me.
Speaker 1: Okay, call it out. So call it out.
Speaker 3: What I got from their me sophistication, access to events
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't have been able to go to at
Speaker 3: our young age, Come on.
Speaker 1: Guest list, so and let it be know.
Speaker 2: Let it be know that if you're a woman dating men,
Speaker 2: statistically coupling up is not going to be beneficial for
Speaker 2: you as women of the relationship. So it's only fair
Speaker 2: that you get what you actually need, whether it's proximity
Speaker 2: to attraction, proximity to social status, proximity is more money, resources, whatever,
Speaker 2: make your relationships actually work for you. It's not charity work, no, Okay,
Speaker 2: what they say, marriage is the biggest business, something.
Speaker 1: Something nobody wants to have worked with them.
Speaker 4: Precisely, you're listening to flex and rooms on Kata.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, taylors With fans are having mental health issues over
Speaker 2: the possibility of her dating Maddie Healy. Taylor Swift and
Speaker 2: Matti Heely have been romantically linked in some capacity for
Speaker 2: ten years. There's been conspiracies and rumors bubbling, but nothing
Speaker 2: so concrete. Because she's been dating other people and he's
Speaker 2: been dating other people. There wasn't really much to go
Speaker 2: for much to say, but there's similarities in lyrics. If
Speaker 2: they're speaking to each other through music. They've popped up
Speaker 2: at each other's gigs, things like that, But you could
Speaker 2: just say they're just friends. It is what it is now.
Speaker 2: The reason why this partnering is so tenuous is because
Speaker 2: Taylors would has come under a lot of flak for
Speaker 2: being apolitical in some ways. When she does choose to
Speaker 2: make a stance, any stance on social issues, and the
Speaker 2: timing in which she does so has been a bit
Speaker 2: frustrating for a few of her fans because they don't
Speaker 2: really know where she stands or what she believes in,
Speaker 2: and given that she's from, like I don't know, the Midwest, whatever,
Speaker 2: people are concerned to be a trumpy is it neither
Speaker 2: he nor there. I don't know, but she has been
Speaker 2: known to be ambiguous on social issues.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Maddie Healey, on the other hand, has had his fair
Speaker 2: share of controversies in the media, especially social media. They
Speaker 2: date back to ten years ago, so he's faced accusations
Speaker 2: of Islamophobia, sexism, backlash around the Black Lives Matter movement
Speaker 2: that caused him to deactivate his socials for a bit.
Speaker 2: He speculated eye spices ethnicity. She's Dominican in Nigerian and
Speaker 2: said that he thought she was actually Chinese or Hawaiian
Speaker 2: instead of mimicking accents. It's just one thing after the other.
Speaker 2: The issue is people say that for Taylor to be
Speaker 2: dating Maddie Heally, she is taking a stance aligning herself
Speaker 2: so closely with this problematic, allegedly in quotations guy. So
Speaker 2: soon after this breakup happened like two months ago or whatever.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, was that overlap? Did you cheat? And also,
Speaker 2: of all the time for you to be so public
Speaker 2: in a relationship, this is the guy you pick it
Speaker 2: to do it with this one here. Now you're making
Speaker 2: very clear statements and it's causing people to look back
Speaker 2: on times where they gave her the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 2: like with her friend groups, and so I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's gonna be a good bad thing for her career,
Speaker 2: because we did notice people were turning on her when
Speaker 2: it came to the pricing of her tour recently. They
Speaker 2: were like, Mmm, she's price gouging this. Sheit is about
Speaker 2: to be a billionaire and we don't like billionaires. Does
Speaker 2: that mean we don't like her? Not sure. Will Taylor
Speaker 2: come out and say I'm dating him, I'm not dating him.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But realistically, in the court of public opinion, the damage
Speaker 2: is done.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say if Taylor Swift did at least
Speaker 3: one thing that he did over so, I understand why
Speaker 3: someone like that is a political because no matter what
Speaker 3: she does, she's a political she is political. We saw
Speaker 3: what happens to the Dixie Chicks. They were like Midwest.
Speaker 3: They spoke up. I'm not going to get this right,
Speaker 3: but they spoke about like the Iraq War. I remember
Speaker 3: I was a kid. I remember them getting like.
Speaker 1: Torn to shred torn to shreds literally.
Speaker 3: Had to change their name to the Chicks or something, right,
Speaker 3: So I just feel like there's a double standard when
Speaker 3: it comes to people making mistakes.
Speaker 1: Women aren't allowed to make mistakes. Men are like no one.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know about Maddie Healey doing all that stuff,
Speaker 3: whereas I'm sure that I would know if.
Speaker 2: Tam Maddy he was a chick.
Speaker 1: And also.
Speaker 3: I also want to say, I also want to say
Speaker 3: if she was outspoken about the social issues that Maddie
Speaker 3: Heally isn't taking seriously, she'd be ripped even more.
Speaker 2: Maybe she doesn't care.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't care if.
Speaker 2: I was with that much money the trajectory school. She
Speaker 2: has warned you in the way Taylor didn't warn you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've noticed this flex, but why
Speaker 3: is every single person myself included, suddenly started talking in
Speaker 3: a British accents a few years ago, I did start
Speaker 3: to indulge in a British Scottish.
Speaker 1: Mut like accent. Okay, a mut like accent.
Speaker 3: It was part Shrek confused other part Yorkshire Cockney type
Speaker 3: of vibe. As we know, I have done an ancestry
Speaker 3: DNA tests and I have the receipts to say I
Speaker 3: am indeed of that ilk.
Speaker 2: Mutt like is a crazy phrase. I'm still I'm still
Speaker 2: not processing, and.
Speaker 3: It turns out this is a real phenomenon. The Guardian's
Speaker 3: written an article which is about why Americans love fake
Speaker 3: British accents, and it says that they use it to
Speaker 3: deflect an awkward moment or to lighten the mood. Is
Speaker 3: they put on a Cockney accent, which I read here
Speaker 3: is a bad imitation of Cockley slang or Yorkshire dialect,
Speaker 3: obviously fake theatrical voices for low.
Speaker 1: Grade daily dramas.
Speaker 3: What I have noticed about you, Flex is not once
Speaker 3: have I seen a new default to the British accent.
Speaker 1: You've ever tried it?
Speaker 2: I maybe?
Speaker 1: Oh you say you want to listen to Flex and Food?
Speaker 2: Yeah, mummy, mummy, I love it.
Speaker 1: I see the appeal with the British accent.
Speaker 2: You co sign. Let's mimic people's accents for a punchline.
Speaker 1: Listen. I mean, I've done it once and I do
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 3: I think like I used to do this thing when
Speaker 3: I was younger, would go outs clubs, start talking to
Speaker 3: an older gentleman and we'd be talking.
Speaker 1: In British accents. This is a little game.
Speaker 3: Hello, oh yeah, I am here from Britain and they'd say, so,
Speaker 3: where what parts we're from lead, said Red, I'm from Oxford,
Speaker 3: always Oxford. Sure she's wearing like extensions and back in
Speaker 3: bridge dress.
Speaker 1: Babes, you're not from Oxford.
Speaker 3: Me serious, shugar heart chee dress actually part of my friends.
Speaker 1: So I believe that talking.
Speaker 3: In a British accent is a fantastic way to lighten
Speaker 3: the movie hair hair, mylag mack.
Speaker 1: That was the real the real one. You're listening to
Speaker 1: flex and rooms last week, everybody.
Speaker 3: I went on a bit of a diatribe, as you
Speaker 3: would say, FLIXI and ripped voice notes to pieces. I said,
Speaker 3: I'm sick of people sending me voice voice notes, and
Speaker 3: I just want to specify it. I didn't mean my
Speaker 3: friends overseas on WhatsApp giving me all that wasn't clear.
Speaker 2: That wasn't clear.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't my meant you annoying little freaks that
Speaker 3: are sending me voice You mean your fans, my fans
Speaker 3: and friends. No, my friends who are like we're going
Speaker 3: to meet at the cinema right later that day. They
Speaker 3: send me a thirty five second voice memo saying, hey,
Speaker 3: oh wait, someone's in my ars.
Speaker 1: And traffic hold on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, anyway, I'm going to be ten minutes late,
Speaker 3: just send me.
Speaker 2: So do you think that sending voice notes is kind
Speaker 2: of the social equivalent of this could have been an email,
Speaker 2: but it's a meeting.
Speaker 3: Preciustly got it all right, a listener submission as it
Speaker 3: could saying the voicemail was cool, let's listen to it.
Speaker 4: It's only appropriate that I express my thoughts through a
Speaker 4: voice note. So I really like using voice notes to
Speaker 4: communicate with my friends because we are all on different schedules,
Speaker 4: and most of me and my friends have phone anxiety,
Speaker 4: like sending a text call me to half of my
Speaker 4: friends would send them into an existential crisis. And most
Speaker 4: of the time I just want to talk about like
Speaker 4: a new snack or something, So sending a voice note
Speaker 4: they can open it on their time. And also not
Speaker 4: to be morbid, but my mom died when I was
Speaker 4: twenty five, and I would have loved to have more
Speaker 4: voice notes of her voice that are immortalized other than
Speaker 4: phone conversation. So I think it's a good thing. But
Speaker 4: I also talked about succession for four hours over voice
Speaker 4: That's what.
Speaker 2: My frien a couple weeks ago, so to eat the
Speaker 2: do you think perhaps it's voice notes should be used
Speaker 2: for gossip or sharing the night's events. For example, if
Speaker 2: I went out through me, would you rather than me say,
Speaker 2: in twenty five different text messages, oh my goodness, I
Speaker 2: saw the cutest and did and whatever, or oh my god,
Speaker 2: I got near. You know, sometimes you need you know,
Speaker 2: the voice to add into it. I will say, though
Speaker 2: the for our voice notes, some things might just need
Speaker 2: to be a phone call. But it's also rude to
Speaker 2: force someone into a phone call with you.
Speaker 3: The phone anxiety is very, very real. I think we
Speaker 3: need to also impose time limits on phone calls. Unless
Speaker 3: you're both on the same wave length, you're too scared
Speaker 3: to go to sleep. However, I will say, Jillian, I
Speaker 3: really like your point about having more voice memos from
Speaker 3: your mum. I decided a few days ago, randomly, I
Speaker 3: need to take more photos with my mum, which is
Speaker 3: a random thing, but I just thought, we need to
Speaker 3: take we need to not take selfies. We need someone
Speaker 3: to take some photos of us. Oh you know, Okay,
Speaker 3: got this photo of us when I finish graduating Union
Speaker 3: Rea at a restaurant to celebrate, and we're both smiling,
Speaker 3: and when I look at it, I just feel so happy.
Speaker 3: So more photos are more voice memos.
Speaker 2: This reminds me were you not the person? And I'm
Speaker 2: pointing at you with a pen right now. I don't
Speaker 2: mean to sound cuteatory, but we were talking about proposals
Speaker 2: and you were saying that you don't want a photographer
Speaker 2: a proposal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, okay, I said.
Speaker 2: Do you want? You want the moment captured? No selfies,
Speaker 2: but also no photographers.
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