WEBVTT - Hearing aids 👂 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.040 Hello, I'm Answer Moon, the talented of gorgeous drag Queen. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.560 I'm an expert when it comes to concealing a second side, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.479 a secret identity, if you will, and now I'm using 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.560 that talent to uncover what other regular looking people are 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.520 concealing in their own lives. I don't know what they're concealing, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.000 and neither do you. It's up to me to ask 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.200 the right questions and then we can uncover it together. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:32.400 Time for the guest. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:39.000 Roll it up. Hi there, my name is Stollach. I'm 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.680 seventy six years old. I'm a full time artist. I've 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:47.559 been an artist since the late sixties early seventies. A 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.400 couple of decades ago, I did a project of performance 0:00:52.240 --> 0:01:00.880 and that's what I'm keeping concealed from art simone today, Hello, sell, Like, 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.120 how are you don't believe anything that I've just said? 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.360 Well, as soon as you said you were an artist, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:08.720 I knew was out the window. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.880 I said, alright, alright, but I love it. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.919 It meets you like, now, this is our first time meeting, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.360 so you've walked in. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.200 You look like an everyday beautiful man. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.800 I don't want to get offended, but you are giving 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.920 slight grandpa vibes here, but in a good way. Do 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.280 you have a Do you have any family? Do you 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:27.680 have any like grandchildren anything? 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.160 Yeah? I do. I have two grandchildren. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.560 That's why your grandpa vibes. You know how to do it, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.240 don't you. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:34.360 Two boys? 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.680 Oh, two boys, that's all right. One of them may 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:37.840 be a drag queen one day. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:38.800 Hey, we can. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:39.840 Only can only hope. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.480 Well, beautiful, So we've got a bit of a background 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.120 for you. So you're seventy six because you don't look 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.960 a day over to thirty five in the right lighting. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.200 Save as me, same as me. What I'm we're doing 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.640 today is asking you three questions, and from the answers 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.760 to those three questions, I have to work out what 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.680 you were concealing from me? What is hidden? Okay? First question, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.120 you are an artist. Who is your favorite artist? 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.679 Well, actually, my favorite artist is Duccio A Si in 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:24.240 these Byzantine painter goldleaf. Oh, brilliant colors, extravagance, very very seductive, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.840 religious iconography. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.760 Yes, what time period was he doing his art? 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.919 Late thirteen hundreds, fourteen hundreds of early fourteen hundreds. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.200 So you're around then, weren't you? 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.760 Oh? Bloody hell, I. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.720 Told him to use the gold lafe. I used the gold. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:50.079 Lafe, mind you, but a more contemporary artist, Andy Warhol. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.680 How beautiful. Okay, okay. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.280 Second question for you is if you had to lose 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.520 a body part, what would it be. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.679 I reckon the kidney, because I've got I got two 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:02.040 of them. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.840 Okay, yes, you've got one, spare. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.000 I always tell people I would happily lose my pinky toe, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.079 any one of them. Get rid of it. I don't 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.639 need it in my life. Try finding shoes to fit 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.800 a drag queen size foot. You know, that's very elegant 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.080 and fashionable. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.960 Very hard, but that would be a problem. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:24.160 One less toe might actually fit something maybe. And Third, 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.200 what is your favorite sound? 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:32.480 Well, white noise actually because it contains all the frequencies 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.120 in the audible sound spectrum. Okay, it's really a combination 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:38.080 of all sounds. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.240 Yeah, well that's true with me. My favorite sound is 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.360 the sound when you're walking on gravel. I just love it. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.040 It's my favorite sound. It's like crunch, crunch, crunch. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:48.040 Okay. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.520 Some of the answer these three questions, I have to 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.680 work up what you are concealing from me? So all right, 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.520 you're an artist okay, you'd lose a kidney. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.760 Okay, so what do you use the kidneys for? What's 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:00.160 that for? 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:05.400 Clearly nothing important if I don't remember. So art, extravagant 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.240 andy warhole, Yeah, taking pictures? Yeah, all right, yep, so yeah, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.720 all right. And a third one, what's your favorite sound? 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:12.560 White noise? 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:13.480 Well? 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:18.000 Yeah, yeah, noise. Yeah, that's It's quite boring, to be honest. 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:17.920 But. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:25.440 All right, I think I know what you do, all right, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.200 I think I know what you're concealing from me. Now, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.800 I had an inkling. I had an inkling when you 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.560 walked in. You said your name was Stellark, and so 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.800 there's only one way to prove that you are who 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.320 I think you are, because I think you are and 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.919 I'm very excited if you are the person that I 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.479 think you are, Stellark. Can you please lift up the 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.600 sleeve of your jumper on your left arm? 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.960 Please? Can you please show me what is underneath? And 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.640 if there's nothing there, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.599 But if there's something there, I'm right and I love 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:54.320 it when i'm right. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.680 So let me get this clear. Yes, that's something up 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:57.159 my sleeve. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.520 Yes, I reckon, you've got well, I reckon I reckon 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.320 if you live just sleeve and maybe all right, So 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:10.200 Stellac is lifting his sleeve. Oh my god, yeah, Stellag 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.320 has lifted his sleeve and on his arm is an ear. Yes, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.000 there is an ear on Stella's arm, and it's looking 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.000 at me and I can look. I'm looking at it, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.279 and it's so happy to I've seeing me. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:27.640 Hello here, I'm a performance artist who uses their physical 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:33.320 body but also interested in technological augmentation, in other words, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:39.679 exploring alternative anatomical architectures. And in two thousand and six 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:48.400 I decided, instead of technologically augmenting my body to surgically 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:54.600 construct a soft prothesis an extra ear on my arm. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:59.560 Hello, Stella, Ah, so much of what I mean? 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:09.839 Yes, Oh, I'm right, stell Luck is in my presence 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.080 and it is the stellarg with an ear on his arm. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.159 Oh my goodness. Has he been listening to me through 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.720 the wall? Does you know? But I really have to know. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.080 I have to know. Why does Stellarck have an ear. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:20.599 On his arm? 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:36.240 Is he just like a bit of a gossip? All right? 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.960 So I'm in the presence of royalty here, I am 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.640 the Queen arts a moment, I'm here with King stellarg, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.520 Oh my goodness, I'm so excited to be meeting you. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.839 You've just shown me in real life your processus ear 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.520 on your arm. Oh so people may not know much 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.880 about you, whereas you know, like I know a little 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.360 bit because I swear during my primary school years and 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.680 high school year is you'd be on the TV or 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.120 I'd read articles about you. I swear we did something 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:09.120 in biology about you. So you've got an ear on 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:17.560 your why? Why why do you have any on your well? 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.760 You know, yeah. I mean I discovered in art school 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.040 that I was a bad painter, so I decided I 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.080 should get onto doing performance work. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.960 You with me both. I went to art school as well. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.400 I only lasted like a year and a half because 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.760 I just like, I don't really know what's going on. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.880 They're like, do you want to take the beautiful portrait 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.080 of someone? I said no, So I started drawing on 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.760 my face. So I think we've got something in common here. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.680 I just want to talk about the ear for a while. Okay, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.080 I know, are you sick of talking about the ear? 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.600 I feel like after all these years, You're. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.840 Like to me, no, I'm not sick about it. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.120 Oh good, good, So what was the process of finding 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.280 someone to insertain ear in your arm? 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:57.640 You know, what does that go? 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.600 Did you go down to the GP and go, how 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.200 do I would like an ear in my arm? 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.280 Please? And they go, what do you want about? Stellark? 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:04.800 Not again? 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.960 I mean it took ten years to find three plastic 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.119 surgeons and to get the funding to do the first 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:18.040 surgical procedure. And actually during the second surgery, one surgeon 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.520 was overheard saying to the other surgeons, well, if this 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.600 is a work of art, we must be the artists. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:29.400 All right. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:35.320 Then maybe you think of other artists where, you know, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.840 like even Andy Warhol, like he was the you know 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.080 conception with it all, but then it was a whole 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.520 team of people that were helping to make it happen. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.240 So I feel like you're still the artist. But no, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.800 they did. They were the ones that cut you open, though, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:54.960 So why couldn't you What if someone donated you their ear, Like, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.560 what were the difference of that being to like getting 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.720 the the you know, the processes. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.559 Even if I used one of my own ears and 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:08.520 I considered it very fleetingly, even if this was amputated 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.800 and connected to my arm, you know, you would need 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.880 a sort of micro serious microsurgery to connect blood vessels 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.000 to you know, otherwise the ear just would not live. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.480 Having said that, with someone else's ear, then you've got 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.120 the problem of immunological response. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.640 I hope for you still like that one day you 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.360 just you know, it will be so far in the 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:33.880 future that will just be able to go, Oh. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.560 You're But these days there's a possibility very soon of 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.520 being able to three D print a near use living 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.920 cells and also three D print the circuitry at the 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.640 same time inside it. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.440 How how much does that excite you? 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:51.520 Don't I look excited? 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:57.160 Yeah, it's so great that these things are possible. I 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.760 mean they have a lot of other users, but for 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.800 the used of having an ear on your arm, it's 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.080 pretty exciting, isn't it. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.480 Yeah? Well, I mean, why stop, you know, with one 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.240 ear on one arm? Why stop with two arms instead 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:10.720 of three? 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:11.679 Ah? 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.720 Has the look of your ear your other ear, your 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.960 other other ear changed over the years, like as you've 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.640 grown with it and around it, Like is it losing 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.960 some definition or is it what has it changed? 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.200 No? Not, it hasn't hasn't changed from the original surgical procedure. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.320 But you have to understand that after the scaffold, the 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.360 biomedical scaffold is inserted underneath my skin. The skin is 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:37.880 suctioned over the scaffold. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:38.320 Yeah. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.880 Over a period of six months, you have tissue in 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.840 growth and vascularization occurring. So it becomes a permanent part 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.520 of your body. Yes, but about three years ago I 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.800 had a surgical procedure to try to elevate the ear 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.080 and make it more prominent. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.520 Oh so you're still working. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.840 Yeah, but it didn't succeed. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.479 Yes, okay, but the. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.439 Original intent was not only to replicate an ear and 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:09.040 relocated on my arm, but rather to eventually electronically augment 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.760 the ear. Yes, so it would become a remote listening 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:19.000 device for people online, so that I can lug in 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.560 and listen to what we we're speaking about. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.480 Now, well, my goodness, you shouldn't say that so loud. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.719 The CIA will get very confused. I have to check 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.440 everyone for an ear up their sleeve. But so let's 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.520 let's clarify this. You're at the moment it is just 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.320 a physical looking ear, but it has no ability to 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:40.640 hear anything. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:45.320 No, no, no, And the intent is to try to yeah, yeah, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:45.880 meant it. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.959 In the in the journey to the ear, and the arm. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.760 What was kind of the next couple of performance pieces 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.320 or art projects he worked on. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.680 Yeah, Well, coming to more recent performances, there was a 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:03.280 performance titled rewirde Remis Yes, and that performance involved for 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.559 five days, six hours every day, I could only see 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.440 with the eyes of someone in London. I could only 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.560 hear with the ears of someone in New York. But 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:21.439 anyone anywhere could access my right arm and remotely activate 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.880 it via the exoskeleton I was wearing. So in that case, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.280 what was happening was that you were sort of sharing 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.520 visual and acoustical senses with people in other places and 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.880 distributing your agency. The thing was, of course, if I 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.880 was in a Chinese cafe in New York, I could 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.800 hear one friend speaking to my left ear and his 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.920 partner speaking to my right ear, and a Chinese waiter 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.640 speaking to them in Chinese. I mean, certainly, then my 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:59.360 acoustical focus was on what was happening there rather than 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.720 what was, say, visually happening in London. So you're constantly 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:08.600 shifting your awareness. And then when someone remotely activated my arm, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.720 that sort of shifted my balance and I had to 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:18.520 pivot and turn to keep grounded. So, yeah, you really 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.560 had that kind of experience of being in three places 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.040 at once. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:27.880 I've always wondered with performance artists who basically give free 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.480 reign to like the public. Are people respectful because you know, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.920 it's like and they could do anything that could, you know, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.240 make you look at whatever, or they could make you 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.120 listen to itether or they could make your arm do whatever. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.679 What's it like putting your trust in people, because that's 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:44.360 a big thing to do. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.600 Yeah, and it's very very strange to experience that non 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.520 control of your body. But you know, this is what 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.960 happens habitually. Yes, you know, we're conditioned to perform in 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.119 particular ways. We act habitually all the time. We're conditioned 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:07.720 by social institutions and our cultural conditioning most of the 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:13.360 time NA and of course generally also through our gender. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:22.200 And breaking those customary acts and behaviors means that you're 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.800 interrogating what a body is and how body performs, and 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.640 what we mean by agency and identity. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.400 It seems like you were discovering and exploring the world 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.960 of body modification way before it almost became trendy for 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.080 a while, But I feel like you were one of 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.520 the first people to really be looking into that. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:43.400 Is that true? 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.320 Well, I mean I've got lots of friends in the 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:51.160 body modification community now, but at the time, you know, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.240 this was going back to the early seventies. Yes, I 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.440 mean I was kind of naive. I didn't know about 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.720 the S and M scene in San Francisco, didn't know 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:04.600 that that there was a body suspension community, a very 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.400 small one at the time, but that's increased. And so 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:13.920 my first performances were suspending my body with hooks into 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.040 my skin. So I did about twenty seven to twenty 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:22.200 eight of those in different positions, in various locations, in 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:28.360 alternate situations and circumstances. So discovering the kind of physical 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.840 and psychological parameters of the body was what these first 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.440 actions were all about. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.760 So let's backtrack a little bit. So for people that 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.600 don't know you're doing suspension performances. So this is where 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.600 you have like hooks, what are you putting into your 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:45.320 skin to. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:50.560 Be they're three milimeter effectively shark hooks, but with the 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:51.880 barb filed off. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.640 Oh yeah, we'll take the book then you can get 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.760 them out, I guess. And how many hooks would you 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.680 have on your body. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.880 Between fourteen and eighteen, depending whether the body was vertically 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.960 suspended yes or horizontal. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.440 So typically eighteen hooks in you you're suspended up into 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.920 the air in various positions. How do you prepare for 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.200 something like that? What was your first baby steps? For 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.120 anyone at home that wants to hang off a building? 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.280 First of all, maybe ask a friend first, but before 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.240 you know you want to do that, what are your 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:27.480 steps into suspension? 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.360 Well, you know, at the time, no one was doing 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.120 it that I knew of, and so people who were 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.120 helping me were just friends, other artists. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.160 It's true, like within the S and M scene, they'd 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.640 kind of do it for a bit of a different reason. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.440 They might tickle their pick a little bit. But I 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.000 feel like. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.000 Maybe that hasn't been exposed to the wider general public before. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.840 It's all kind of behind closed doors, but you're out 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:59.320 there in public, been hung not like that, sorry, but 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:00.040 like I was just. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.280 Well, I did a couple of really public. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:07.200 Building am I right? 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.960 Well? Between two buildings over East eleventh Street in New York, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.000 And yeah, got arrested for that, not not for performing 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.640 you know, in public nudities, or not for performing some 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.719 sodo masochistic act in public, but rather for being a 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:30.560 danger to the public. Had I fallen on someone, right. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.639 Take me, yes, incent exposure, Yes, sorry, there's hooks in me. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.120 Back. They're like, no, you just could have hurt someone. 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:38.800 Oh okay, all right then. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.800 But that was only like four stories high, But in. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.960 Covid I was only fourries high. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.320 But in Copenhagen it was sixty meters high above the 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.120 Royal Theater. But after about thirty meters all you could 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.520 hear was the wushing of the wind, the whirring of 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.639 the crane motors, and the creaking of the skin. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:06.600 You should narrate horror novels and horror movies. I think 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.320 you'd be very good at that. Something ever gone wrong 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.480 in preparation for very suspension? 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.240 Only only one in the sense that well, a couple 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.200 of times there was a suspension from a tree one 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.840 of the few performances in Canberra, the Foot of Black 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:30.199 Mountain in Canberra, and we exposed the roots of the 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:35.639 tree to make the tree less stable looking, so you 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.320 can imagine the roots kind of mirror the branches, and 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.800 then I lay beneath the roots to get the insertions done. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.000 There was a group of a couple of people helping out. Yes, 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.640 but the problem was that we had stirred, accidentally stirred 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:57.760 a bunch of bull ants at a nest of bullands. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.320 I thought it was going A big hook ripped out 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:02.720 of me and blood was everywhere. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.320 No, no, what was happening every hook that was inserted. 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.160 We had to flick off hands from my back. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.560 Wow, that is really not what I thought you'd say 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:16.920 in terms of things going wrong. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.719 But is it painful? Like? 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.840 How do you tune that type of pain out? Is 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.399 it meditation? What is it that? 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.320 Yeah, there's no there's no special technique as such, but 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.680 but the attitude is that you perform with what I 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.480 would call a posture of indifference. In other words, have 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:39.119 no expectations, allow the performance to unfold in its own time, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:44.400 with its own rhythm. Once the performance begins, the thinking stops. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.840 Yes, it sounds like me when I'm on stage. It says, 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.280 I go on, I don't know what happens. I just 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.719 come off, and I go, well, how did I go? 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:52.880 And look? 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:54.720 You know, I don't want to compare myself to you 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.080 too much because I will ever be stellak, But you. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.680 Know, yeah, well no, no, I've got. 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.359 A love all that you do at the moment, but 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.760 you know, when I'm stopping a lot of my corsets 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.960 and heels and all this stuff, it all hurts as well, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:08.480 and people go, how do you deal with it? 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.879 And it's the same. I'm like, it just is. It 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.520 is what it is for me. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.880 I don't realize how much pain I was in until 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.040 I take it all off. Is that is there like 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.720 a big rush of adrenaline when when your performance finishes 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.640 and you're lowered and you can take everything out. 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.760 No, I think the best way to describe it is 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.679 that you're in the same state of mind before, during, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:30.240 and after. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.240 Yeah, what's the preparation in the lead up to do 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:36.080 something like that? 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:37.199 Do you? You know? 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.960 I've listened to things of performance asks and like I 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:41.960 lived at an egg for three weeks until I did 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:42.639 the performance. 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:44.480 Do you do that? Or is just go and have 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:45.120 a coffee? 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:51.840 No? No, there's no kind of special techniques involved. You know, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.800 of course, you try to plan and foresee any of 0:20:55.840 --> 0:21:00.040 the problems. Yes, you know, the physical problems, whether some 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.600 thing might be dangerous, what risks are involved, because you know, 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:09.159 like in Copenhagen it was a public event, whereas in 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:13.840 New York. I got arrested in Copenhagen. The police manage 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:19.800 the traffic that was accumulating down below. It's it's always different, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.720 so you never really learned from the previous performance, because. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.280 Anything, anything can happen. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:35.399 Still, Like, if I had to get a secondary or 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.719 a third body part, what would you recommend for me? 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.439 And where should I put it? What would you do 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.920 for me? Because I've already got fake things attached to 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.840 me all the time? Is that my real booms these 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.359 that my real hips waist isn't real. So I'm used 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.560 to making things out of nothing. So what do you 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.240 think I should I should do? 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:57.320 I reckon just another arm a next time. I mean, 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.359 you could do a lot with an extra you know, 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:01.920 especially with a hand attest. 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.680 I know, another full limb with a hand attached. 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.840 But imagine, imagine would. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.080 It be full size? Do you think maybe like a 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.960 little one full size? 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.919 Full size, but with additional capabilities that it's ambidextrous and 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:21.240