WEBVTT - RHOBH - RECAP - WEEK 4 / 5 - ALANA MCLEAN 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.680 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.520 TV Reload the podcast last week. Never Hey guys, welcome 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:07.440 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.080 clicking and downloading on today's episode with Lana MacLean, one 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.760 of my favorite humans in the world and the queen 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.959 of everything Bravo and Entertainment News. I wonder if you 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.400 noticed that we were absent last week with our recap. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.880 Super sorry, we had been completely snowed under with our 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.720 Christmas commitments. So this week you're getting a bumper Christmas 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.160 dose of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as we 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.120 recap episode four and five, so you have a missed 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.480 down on what we thought about last week's episode. We're 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.800 going to ram it all into this one, starting off 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.720 with episode four, which includes our hot takes on what 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.560 went down last week, and moving into episode five, which 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.720 also includes some golden nuggets of gossip from both of 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.519 us scouring the internet and finding out whatever we can 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.320 find from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. We will 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.160 discuss the change in dynamics with the housewives all now 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.279 being single ladies. I will get a Lana's perspective on 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.560 how the producers must structure the show, and if they 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.080 let the friend ofs get their hands dirty when it 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.080 comes to conflict, we will address ourselves stepping up and 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.920 getting some serious pots during going what we think of 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.240 her still publicly talking about Derete and PK's robbery. You 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.080 will get plenty of chat on Camille, what we think 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.880 of Erica's return to the stage, if Kyle has in 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.840 fact dropped men from her lavish parties, and what we 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.920 see coming up in the next few weeks after the 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.759 two week break. There's actually so much to talk about, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.399 with so many inside revelations from our perspective. So guys, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.200 sit back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.920 of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season fourteen, Episode 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.319 four and five. Oh my god, what is going on 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.280 with your hair this week? 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.480 It's just giant. It's just a step away from dreadlocks. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.520 I'm telling you, I love it. I don't know why. 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.480 It just the bigger and the more dreadlock here gets, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.000 the better it look. I'm so nineties. I love that 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.440 Pamela Anderson's that have looked so I'm sure Rodney's it's like. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.080 A c more textured, grittier version of Pamela. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.400 I honestly don't think you've ever looked better. And that's 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.799 really interesting because you look like you've just come out 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.359 of the washing machine. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.559 Oh my god, it's literally it's so early here. And 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.000 I was getting up out of bed and Robbie was like, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.280 what are you doing. I was like, I've got to 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.400 do the podcast. He was like, you know, for Sharon, 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:25.440 do you make up first? 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.680 And I was like, nah, it's Ben Norris. He's going 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.080 to turn up looking like pee wee Herman and I'll 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.720 look fine. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.680 We've nawed it, we've knowed it before. It's you know, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:38.600 even noon. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.440 Look, apologies, apologies we missed last week, but it is 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.440 the silly season and we were very silly somewhere in 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.760 the silliness. The silliness could not come together and record 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.000 in that momento. But we're hoping that everyone else had 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.720 plenty of silliness going on as well and forgot that 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:55.440 we didn't do it. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.520 Well, here we go. We've got to talk about episode four, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.120 So we kick it off with Darret. This fight that's 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.079 been continued on from episode three, which feels like it's 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.280 been continued on since the start of episode one of 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.120 this season. But it feels like Dreed is writing Kyle 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.280 like it is her job. She is going to keep 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.840 it going even if Kyle does say sorry and tries 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.360 to take ownership. I think Dereit's going to still hammer 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.200 the point she is. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:21.079 Hammering it all right. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:25.080 I mean, this is definitely why she has said to 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.640 those producers, don't worry, leave this with me, do not 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.000 find me. I can do this, watch me play, And 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.440 that's basically what she's doing. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.880 And I think the thing that is making it. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.520 Really awkward is the fact that Kyle is scrambling, as 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.160 we've said, to find so many excuses as to why 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.000 she's annoyed, because it's really putting that on full display 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.200 that there isn't just one singular thing that has happened. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.320 She's trying to find a myriad of all these other 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.240 smaller things, and I just don't think it's looking authentic 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:55.600 at all. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.720 I think that Kyle is starting to come to terms 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.280 with the fact that that's just her hoping mechanism. And 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.920 do you have a problem with friends stepping out and 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.320 just pushing you away a little bit if you challenge 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.440 them on their narratives? 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.360 Yeah, well, I. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.600 Mean, nobody wants that to be the case. But I 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.720 think what she wasn't planning on happening is the fact 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.000 that that would be brought up to camera that she 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.560 had iced her out for six months, because, as we've 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.760 discussed before, a lot of it is about what is 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.640 happening on camera, and she feels like she can control 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.880 a lot of body's on camera because of her position 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:29.839 in the group and how. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:30.640 Long she's been there. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.640 But what she wasn't expecting to happen was for Dret 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.599 to say you did not talk to me for six months, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.720 which would have been the period of time where they 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.479 weren't filming. So she expected that to sort of get 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.560 swept under the rug, and it hasn't been. And now 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.000 she's trying to find the reasons. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.400 You do not get to pick and choose when it's okay, 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.680 when you want to be friends, when it's convenient, and 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.480 when I put a step wrong, you decide I'm going 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.240 to freeze Toreada and I'm going to punish her. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.919 I saw a piece on on that said potentially I 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.039 have no idea if this is true or not, but 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:06.080 I actually had. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.560 That moment where I thought, is this the missing piece, and. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.200 It's because it's said Kyle was the one that tried 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.280 to get Drete fired. So she was like, well, I 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.720 don't have to talk to her anymore, she'll be gone 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.000 and dropped the whole thing. But now Durite is back 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.520 in the show, she's having to find another reason because 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.599 she wasn't expecting her to come back. And I thought 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.680 that would track if that was a theory. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.760 That checked out, and it would also give enough fuel 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.360 to the fire, because I mean, they can never keep 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.839 that stuff under wraps. And so Deret's obviously heard about 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.200 the fact that Kyle's done that. She's pleaded for a 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.240 job back, and she said, you know what, I'm going 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.040 to go hard Bravo on Kyle Richard's and they've gone 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.200 okay because they've released how much money she got paid 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.760 for this series or that's been leaked and she's now 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.160 on a six figure salary for the show, which she's 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.600 never been on before. And I'm like, and you know, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.279 Bravo to me have done this in the past throughout 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.200 different franchises. They have allowed cars to have like a 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.839 second chance if they've had their entire life blow up 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.000 with a marriage, meaning that this is now their sole income. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:07.640 I mean, I don't know whether they're doing that as 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.240 a favor or whether they're cashing in on their misery, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.240 but it does seem to sort of track that they 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.680 will want to keep people around, you know, just as 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.479 their husbands have left them, or their business has gone 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.360 up or whatever. They've lost their house. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.479 Yeah, and you know why, because they're desperate at that point, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.640 and desperation you were going to do anything. So they 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.800 know they're going to get more for the cameras because 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.200 they're like, well, if you don't bring it, then we're 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.800 going to cut you off. They've got nothing really to 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.800 lose and everything to gain by securing their spot. And 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.239 we saw it with Erika Jane and they've just gone, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.040 here we go, this is beautiful. We've seen it now 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:46.560 with Kyle and now we can see it again with 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.200 to Read. And it's a way of keeping these people 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.960 engaged throughout the process. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.479 But I definitely think there's something to that for sure. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.200 They did base the show on the Real Housewives being 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.039 Desperate housewives. They were like, imagine if we had Desperate housewives, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.200 but it was a reality show. That was where the 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.239 concept came from. When they mixed it with the OC. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.600 I believe I might just things together, but that's how 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:09.600 I remember it well. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.080 I mean we've seen it as well. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.800 This is the first season really where there's a predominantly 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:20.240 and unmarried, separated, single cast and how that has sort 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.840 of changed the dynamic. And I think that is definitely 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.360 one way that it has, because these women suddenly know 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.200 they're really having to bring home the bacon on their own, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.720 and I think that has changed what they bring to 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.720 the cameras and what they're sharing with us. 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.600 We have drifted a long way, though, from the housewives 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.600 being that their housewives, because it used to be a 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.800 prerequisite to get on the show, is that you really 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.560 had to be this is it affluent or effluent? Yeah, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.080 remember Kathy Kim ruined this. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.840 For me affluent. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.160 They really did want these affluent women who had these 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.120 husbands that were like CEOs. That was kind of what 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.160 had happened with the OC and New York. That was 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.400 kind of what was happening. But as the series has 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.880 gone on and we're now fifteen years for some franchises, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.760 you know into it, I don't think that they care 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.000 about them having husbands at all. They're like, are you rich, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.400 Are you crazy? You should come on our show? 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.320 And I think, well, I think as well. A lot 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.640 of them came onto the show with that. But what 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:22.200 we've seen is the evolution of them and the demise 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.280 of these marriages and the complexities that have come with that, 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.520 and the legal troubles and the secrets, and you know, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.400 for all the reality TV that we can tume, there's 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.439 still things about these marriages that we don't know. And 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.079 we're watching it again right now with Deret and she's unraveling. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.880 I'm loving Bozeman. I'm living for her comments and her 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.920 pieces to camera. They are so good. In the confessionals 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.320 when she was talking about being these women and the 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.520 way in which they talk about their secrets. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.680 None of these women give you what they think at 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.400 face value. They are not direct. There is something underneath. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.480 You pick up a stone over here, Oh there's a 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.600 rock under that. If you pick up a rock, oh 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.000 there's a toad. There's a toad sitting on something. Absolutely, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.760 and so I'm going to have to figure out what 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:10.800 are all the layers. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.760 And she's like being able to slay what she wants 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.520 to say about what's actually going down whilst in the moment, 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:23.000 not really stepping up into being able to speak to 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.000 what she thinks about what's going on. She's not really 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.920 doing that at this stage. We may talk it because 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.400 we've seen something, because we're doing two episodes, we do 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.000 know that she will do it. But it's so interesting 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.959 in the first four episodes that she stood back and watched. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.600 This is why she's the marketing genius that she obviously 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.479 has been in the corporate world, because she knows exactly 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.320 how to word things. She knows exactly what to say 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.440 for you to immediately get it. The analogies are so 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.440 on point. Her measured sort of response, the way that 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:57.360 she's observing and then reacting that is that is everything 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:57.679 that she. 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.439 Would have brought to her corporate career. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.520 So I think that it's an amazing addition, and I 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.800 think I think she'll be here to stay. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.240 Garcill really steps up to defend Kyle in this first argument, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.760 in this continuation of an argument in episode four. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.360 No, I wouldn't agree with that. He wouldn't with what 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.760 she was saying in terms of like, you can't just 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:18.880 say you're. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.160 Sorry you don't agree. I agree that you don't do that. 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.199 Then I don't see I'm sorry. Yes, it was really 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.000 interesting because you weren't sure whether Garcel was responding to 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.520 the woman who was pouring the wine when she said 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:36.240 no and jump to support Kyle's accusation that darit really 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.679 doesn't know how to apologize. I was like, Garcel, you 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.439 have been asleep under a rock for seasons and now 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.040 you have stepped up. And I want to say that 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.920 Garcell was my favorite player in episode four. I thought 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.640 episode four, Garcel really decided to play the game. She 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.960 opened up about her marriage, she tried to connect with Kyle, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.120 she dropped secrets, she stirred pots, and I was like, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.839 this is what you're hired to do, lady, and this 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.079 is what we want from you, and when you do it, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.479 you're actually really good at it and it's good television. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:07.960 Yeah. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.960 Well, we've said we were on a bit more from 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.760 Garcel and Sutton in terms of the realness, because what 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.120 we have sort of seen over the seasons is them 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.679 basically just picking someone to pile on and then just 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.160 trying to expose them. But then we were like, but 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.120 what are you actually bringing in terms of your own storyline? 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:27.880 I mean I did sort of feel like that's what 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.440 she was trying to do when she jumped on the Kyle. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.560 I wouldn't say she was necessarily wanting to defend Kyle. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.360 I think it's more about trying to bring down to 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.840 Read and well, I just felt like Duret's response. I 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.600 think she was expecting to Read to be like, oh, Garcel, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.880 you know, I've always tried to get along with you, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.920 and she's just had enough. She's like, I don't care. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.160 I don't care that you don'd like me. I don't 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.960 care what you have to say. It's not surprising that 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.319 you've said that whatever, I'm done with you and you're bullshit. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:58.959 I'm not surprised that you agree with that. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.680 And let's be honest, Okay, I'm not your favorite person. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.280 You're very clear about that. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.720 I wouldn't expect you to actually not agree with what 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:10.400 she has to say. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:11.880 Okay, agreed, then we're on the same page. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.240 So I think that sort of backflipped a little bit. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.440 I didn't. I mean, I agree in some ways, and 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.160 I loved your retrospective of that. But and yes, I 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.280 guess it was good that Deret didn't back down and 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:25.679 just went, well, you know what, you know, of course 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.000 you're going to have her back. I understand that to 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.760 a certain extent, but it still took Garsel to get 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.040 off the fence and actually join one of these conversations 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.120 because so far she's just been two eyes, two ears, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.880 one mouth, with no speaking when all of this has 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.560 been going down. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:46.600 Yeah, well, as we start to see episode five, the 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.640 pot stirring is going to go to a new level 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:53.959 because we saw her mention that Kyle gets these takes 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.600 from PK. So that was obviously in the midst of 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.240 this intimate sort of conversation that she was having in 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.400 episode four on the boat where we thought. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.880 You know, she was being lovely, she was connecting with Kyle, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:04.560 but then. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.040 She goes and spills that tea and also mentioning the 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:13.000 robbery and Darite's robbery and saying someone had something to 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.640 do with that. So the pot stirring is going to 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.480 a new level. So I think that is what we're 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.800 going to see from Garcel bring to this season. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.360 I had a really heartfelt talk with Kyle. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:30.839 Yeah, but she told me that PK texts her. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.160 Can I ask you about this? I don't know whether 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.120 or not this has happened in your friend group before, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.480 but I'm curious to know if your friend that you're 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.400 very close to separates from their partner or their husband, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.560 how do you go about that relationship? Because I know 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.199 you well enough to know that you would be friends 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.600 with your girlfriend's partners. You would make a huge effort 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.960 to do that. So if anything ever did happen, I 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.760 want to know where you would stand. Would you continue 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.880 a relationship with them or would you stop it straight away? 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.600 Yeah, it's such an interesting one. It's really difficult. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.440 I think it is hard when you become friends with 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.240 all those people over such a period of time to 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.240 just cut everyone off. But I think ultimately there does 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.560 come that point, or particularly maybe in that sort of 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.320 very fragile state at the beginning, your loyalty probably has 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.240 to be more so to your friend than I send. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.040 Out a text message straight away, like as the breakup happens. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.680 That's something quite effusive and really quite lovely excitement. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.520 Benjamin Norris media statement, all the best on your future endeavors, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.040 kind regards, Benjamin Norris. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.200 Something very supportive. I'll just love how well you know me, 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.160 but not to that extent, but pretty much. No, I 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.320 just think sometimes you just have to say, look, I'm 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.120 very sorry about what has happened. You know, I've really 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.960 appreciated the friendship. I try and sort of make sure 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.800 I state my case before I completely retreat into the 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.360 friendship that I have with you know, with my with 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.520 my core friend. Do you know what I mean? Because 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.120 there's no way in hell I would continue to get 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:05.240 text messages from one of my close friend's husbands if 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.240 that's not where the friendship's going to go, because realistically, 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.080 you could try and entertain that for a little bit 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.520 of time, but you're never going to be friends with them. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.040 It's never going to work out. You're going to have 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.920 to move on eventually. So you just need to get 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.040 in there say something lovely. Thanks PK. We had at 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.400 least one dinner off camera and at least eighty five 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.640 dinners on camera. And I think you're a great guy, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.000 but all the very best. Don't drop the soap in prison. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.640 If that Blajo story is true, Well. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.560 The interesting part about these is everything you're saying correct, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.760 But what was different about this scenario is that Kyle 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.680 had not talked to Dureat for six months, was not 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.360 being actively friends with dret for six months. So that 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.600 is where it sort of becomes a great area because potentially, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.040 in that scenario, she's like, well, I'm actually better friends 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.040 with PK that I am with Dereat, and our husbands 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.040 have always been friends, and you know, I mean, I 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.960 don't think there would be anything untoward in the text. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.200 I think they would probably just send each other funny 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.840 hit and memes and all of that sort of stuff 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.160 and have a laugh. But yeah, it does go into 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.920 a gray area around the friendships and the loyalty and 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:11.720 who comes first. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.720 I sometimes will put friends on pause and still continue 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.080 to be friends with their parents. Is that bad? 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:25.120 I mean, no, where are you going to dinner? You 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.360 know what I mean? Where's that roast? Chook? 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.080 Very quickly towards the end of this episode, got to 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.400 see this very bizarre transition, and that was that Sudden 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.360 had opened herself up and explained to dret that throughout 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.480 this divorce, which was predicted to be very hard, Sudden 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.920 explained to Derete that she could lean on her and 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.280 was very authentic with this conversation. I thought she was 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.120 authentic with what she was saying. However, we rolled into 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.120 the next scene, and I mean, something's going to have 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.720 to watch this back because she's really going to have 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.240 to own this. She yells at Dreep first and then 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.640 raises her voice and that's where and sort of reacts 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.040 like she's the victim, like she's being yelled at for 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.160 an actual fact. That's just not how it happened. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.200 You're the one who started yelling. You're the one who 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:10.920 just started yelling. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:12.280 No. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.480 I tried to bring this group together last. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.680 Night Sutton joined a conversation that she wasn't even really 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.080 a part of the start with, and then yelled at her. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:21.840 I was like, what is going on here? 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.120 And also trying to, you know, get them all at 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.160 the table and we're doing a packed and it's sisterhood 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.800 and we all have to be this way and we 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.800 all have to be open and transparent and trying to 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.239 lead this charge, and then trying to have her at 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.080 home in the bus trip, and I just thought, you 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.639 are unbelievable. You know, I can't with some I have 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.200 never with her. She is so inconsistent. She is all 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.840 over the shop. She has opinions. One minute, she gas 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.040 lights you into thinking something. The next she plays the victim. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.960 She changes sides all the time. I think she's wired, 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.200 a weird wired. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.200 Person as a housewife. I think that she goes to 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.359 the dinner party and she rips the tablecloth off. You know, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.520 she doesn't just join a conversation and spill a drink. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.879 She literally makes sure that every single person at the 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.280 dinner party has been disrupted by her behavior. She's one 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.280 of those people that I guess we all have in 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.520 our friend group, which is someone who gets themselves involved 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.879 in so much of the drama that, yes, they probably 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.240 did give some good advice along the way, and you 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.840 know that that personality type will remind you that they 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.600 got that right, But they also threw a lot of 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.120 shit at the wall that didn't stick either, And they're 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.080 also responsible for starting a majority of the fires that 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.880 they then claimed that they put out. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.119 Yes, that's exactly what she does. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.159 She brings it up, She stirs the pod, and I 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.320 sort of feel like it's very you know, it's like 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.399 the old Chicago analogy, like razzle dazzle them over here 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.280 and then they won't realize that you're doing nothing over there. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.760 And I just feel like that's what she tries to do. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.720 She tries to be abrasive, yell and Jennifer Tilly called 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.480 her mercurial the after Show, which is basically like a 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.959 sudden change of emotions. That's exactly what she does, but 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.280 there's nothing sort of steady with her behind the scenes. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.480