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Speaker 1: of my favorite humans in the world and the queen
Speaker 1: of everything Bravo and Entertainment News. I wonder if you
Speaker 1: noticed that we were absent last week with our recap.
Speaker 1: Super sorry, we had been completely snowed under with our
Speaker 1: Christmas commitments. So this week you're getting a bumper Christmas
Speaker 1: dose of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as we
Speaker 1: recap episode four and five, so you have a missed
Speaker 1: down on what we thought about last week's episode. We're
Speaker 1: going to ram it all into this one, starting off
Speaker 1: with episode four, which includes our hot takes on what
Speaker 1: went down last week, and moving into episode five, which
Speaker 1: also includes some golden nuggets of gossip from both of
Speaker 1: us scouring the internet and finding out whatever we can
Speaker 1: find from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. We will
Speaker 1: discuss the change in dynamics with the housewives all now
Speaker 1: being single ladies. I will get a Lana's perspective on
Speaker 1: how the producers must structure the show, and if they
Speaker 1: let the friend ofs get their hands dirty when it
Speaker 1: comes to conflict, we will address ourselves stepping up and
Speaker 1: getting some serious pots during going what we think of
Speaker 1: her still publicly talking about Derete and PK's robbery. You
Speaker 1: will get plenty of chat on Camille, what we think
Speaker 1: of Erica's return to the stage, if Kyle has in
Speaker 1: fact dropped men from her lavish parties, and what we
Speaker 1: see coming up in the next few weeks after the
Speaker 1: two week break. There's actually so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: with so many inside revelations from our perspective. So guys,
Speaker 1: sit back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world
Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season fourteen, Episode
Speaker 1: four and five. Oh my god, what is going on
Speaker 1: with your hair this week?
Speaker 2: It's just giant. It's just a step away from dreadlocks.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I love it. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It just the bigger and the more dreadlock here gets,
Speaker 1: the better it look. I'm so nineties. I love that
Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson's that have looked so I'm sure Rodney's it's like.
Speaker 2: A c more textured, grittier version of Pamela.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think you've ever looked better. And that's
Speaker 1: really interesting because you look like you've just come out
Speaker 1: of the washing machine.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's literally it's so early here. And
Speaker 2: I was getting up out of bed and Robbie was like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing. I was like, I've got to
Speaker 2: do the podcast. He was like, you know, for Sharon,
Speaker 2: do you make up first?
Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, it's Ben Norris. He's going
Speaker 1: to turn up looking like pee wee Herman and I'll
Speaker 1: look fine.
Speaker 2: We've nawed it, we've knowed it before. It's you know,
Speaker 2: even noon.
Speaker 3: Look, apologies, apologies we missed last week, but it is
Speaker 3: the silly season and we were very silly somewhere in
Speaker 3: the silliness. The silliness could not come together and record
Speaker 3: in that momento. But we're hoping that everyone else had
Speaker 3: plenty of silliness going on as well and forgot that
Speaker 3: we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Well, here we go. We've got to talk about episode four,
Speaker 1: So we kick it off with Darret. This fight that's
Speaker 1: been continued on from episode three, which feels like it's
Speaker 1: been continued on since the start of episode one of
Speaker 1: this season. But it feels like Dreed is writing Kyle
Speaker 1: like it is her job. She is going to keep
Speaker 1: it going even if Kyle does say sorry and tries
Speaker 1: to take ownership. I think Dereit's going to still hammer
Speaker 1: the point she is.
Speaker 2: Hammering it all right.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is definitely why she has said to
Speaker 3: those producers, don't worry, leave this with me, do not
Speaker 3: find me. I can do this, watch me play, And
Speaker 3: that's basically what she's doing.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing that is making it.
Speaker 3: Really awkward is the fact that Kyle is scrambling, as
Speaker 3: we've said, to find so many excuses as to why
Speaker 3: she's annoyed, because it's really putting that on full display
Speaker 3: that there isn't just one singular thing that has happened.
Speaker 3: She's trying to find a myriad of all these other
Speaker 3: smaller things, and I just don't think it's looking authentic
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: I think that Kyle is starting to come to terms
Speaker 1: with the fact that that's just her hoping mechanism. And
Speaker 1: do you have a problem with friends stepping out and
Speaker 1: just pushing you away a little bit if you challenge
Speaker 1: them on their narratives?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, nobody wants that to be the case. But I
Speaker 3: think what she wasn't planning on happening is the fact
Speaker 3: that that would be brought up to camera that she
Speaker 3: had iced her out for six months, because, as we've
Speaker 3: discussed before, a lot of it is about what is
Speaker 3: happening on camera, and she feels like she can control
Speaker 3: a lot of body's on camera because of her position
Speaker 3: in the group and how.
Speaker 2: Long she's been there.
Speaker 3: But what she wasn't expecting to happen was for Dret
Speaker 3: to say you did not talk to me for six months,
Speaker 3: which would have been the period of time where they
Speaker 3: weren't filming. So she expected that to sort of get
Speaker 3: swept under the rug, and it hasn't been. And now
Speaker 3: she's trying to find the reasons.
Speaker 4: You do not get to pick and choose when it's okay,
Speaker 4: when you want to be friends, when it's convenient, and
Speaker 4: when I put a step wrong, you decide I'm going
Speaker 4: to freeze Toreada and I'm going to punish her.
Speaker 3: I saw a piece on on that said potentially I
Speaker 3: have no idea if this is true or not, but
Speaker 3: I actually had.
Speaker 2: That moment where I thought, is this the missing piece, and.
Speaker 3: It's because it's said Kyle was the one that tried
Speaker 3: to get Drete fired. So she was like, well, I
Speaker 3: don't have to talk to her anymore, she'll be gone
Speaker 3: and dropped the whole thing. But now Durite is back
Speaker 3: in the show, she's having to find another reason because
Speaker 3: she wasn't expecting her to come back. And I thought
Speaker 3: that would track if that was a theory.
Speaker 1: That checked out, and it would also give enough fuel
Speaker 1: to the fire, because I mean, they can never keep
Speaker 1: that stuff under wraps. And so Deret's obviously heard about
Speaker 1: the fact that Kyle's done that. She's pleaded for a
Speaker 1: job back, and she said, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go hard Bravo on Kyle Richard's and they've gone
Speaker 1: okay because they've released how much money she got paid
Speaker 1: for this series or that's been leaked and she's now
Speaker 1: on a six figure salary for the show, which she's
Speaker 1: never been on before. And I'm like, and you know,
Speaker 1: Bravo to me have done this in the past throughout
Speaker 1: different franchises. They have allowed cars to have like a
Speaker 1: second chance if they've had their entire life blow up
Speaker 1: with a marriage, meaning that this is now their sole income.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know whether they're doing that as
Speaker 1: a favor or whether they're cashing in on their misery,
Speaker 1: but it does seem to sort of track that they
Speaker 1: will want to keep people around, you know, just as
Speaker 1: their husbands have left them, or their business has gone
Speaker 1: up or whatever. They've lost their house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know why, because they're desperate at that point,
Speaker 3: and desperation you were going to do anything. So they
Speaker 3: know they're going to get more for the cameras because
Speaker 3: they're like, well, if you don't bring it, then we're
Speaker 3: going to cut you off. They've got nothing really to
Speaker 3: lose and everything to gain by securing their spot. And
Speaker 3: we saw it with Erika Jane and they've just gone,
Speaker 3: here we go, this is beautiful. We've seen it now
Speaker 3: with Kyle and now we can see it again with
Speaker 3: to Read. And it's a way of keeping these people
Speaker 3: engaged throughout the process.
Speaker 2: But I definitely think there's something to that for sure.
Speaker 1: They did base the show on the Real Housewives being
Speaker 1: Desperate housewives. They were like, imagine if we had Desperate housewives,
Speaker 1: but it was a reality show. That was where the
Speaker 1: concept came from. When they mixed it with the OC.
Speaker 1: I believe I might just things together, but that's how
Speaker 1: I remember it well.
Speaker 2: I mean we've seen it as well.
Speaker 3: This is the first season really where there's a predominantly
Speaker 3: and unmarried, separated, single cast and how that has sort
Speaker 3: of changed the dynamic. And I think that is definitely
Speaker 3: one way that it has, because these women suddenly know
Speaker 3: they're really having to bring home the bacon on their own,
Speaker 3: and I think that has changed what they bring to
Speaker 3: the cameras and what they're sharing with us.
Speaker 1: We have drifted a long way, though, from the housewives
Speaker 1: being that their housewives, because it used to be a
Speaker 1: prerequisite to get on the show, is that you really
Speaker 1: had to be this is it affluent or effluent? Yeah,
Speaker 1: remember Kathy Kim ruined this.
Speaker 2: For me affluent.
Speaker 1: They really did want these affluent women who had these
Speaker 1: husbands that were like CEOs. That was kind of what
Speaker 1: had happened with the OC and New York. That was
Speaker 1: kind of what was happening. But as the series has
Speaker 1: gone on and we're now fifteen years for some franchises,
Speaker 1: you know into it, I don't think that they care
Speaker 1: about them having husbands at all. They're like, are you rich,
Speaker 1: Are you crazy? You should come on our show?
Speaker 3: And I think, well, I think as well. A lot
Speaker 3: of them came onto the show with that. But what
Speaker 3: we've seen is the evolution of them and the demise
Speaker 3: of these marriages and the complexities that have come with that,
Speaker 3: and the legal troubles and the secrets, and you know,
Speaker 3: for all the reality TV that we can tume, there's
Speaker 3: still things about these marriages that we don't know. And
Speaker 3: we're watching it again right now with Deret and she's unraveling.
Speaker 1: I'm loving Bozeman. I'm living for her comments and her
Speaker 1: pieces to camera. They are so good. In the confessionals
Speaker 1: when she was talking about being these women and the
Speaker 1: way in which they talk about their secrets.
Speaker 5: None of these women give you what they think at
Speaker 5: face value. They are not direct. There is something underneath.
Speaker 5: You pick up a stone over here, Oh there's a
Speaker 5: rock under that. If you pick up a rock, oh
Speaker 5: there's a toad. There's a toad sitting on something. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: and so I'm going to have to figure out what
Speaker 5: are all the layers.
Speaker 1: And she's like being able to slay what she wants
Speaker 1: to say about what's actually going down whilst in the moment,
Speaker 1: not really stepping up into being able to speak to
Speaker 1: what she thinks about what's going on. She's not really
Speaker 1: doing that at this stage. We may talk it because
Speaker 1: we've seen something, because we're doing two episodes, we do
Speaker 1: know that she will do it. But it's so interesting
Speaker 1: in the first four episodes that she stood back and watched.
Speaker 3: This is why she's the marketing genius that she obviously
Speaker 3: has been in the corporate world, because she knows exactly
Speaker 3: how to word things. She knows exactly what to say
Speaker 3: for you to immediately get it. The analogies are so
Speaker 3: on point. Her measured sort of response, the way that
Speaker 3: she's observing and then reacting that is that is everything
Speaker 3: that she.
Speaker 2: Would have brought to her corporate career.
Speaker 3: So I think that it's an amazing addition, and I
Speaker 3: think I think she'll be here to stay.
Speaker 1: Garcill really steps up to defend Kyle in this first argument,
Speaker 1: in this continuation of an argument in episode four.
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't agree with that. He wouldn't with what
Speaker 5: she was saying in terms of like, you can't just
Speaker 5: say you're.
Speaker 1: Sorry you don't agree. I agree that you don't do that.
Speaker 1: Then I don't see I'm sorry. Yes, it was really
Speaker 1: interesting because you weren't sure whether Garcel was responding to
Speaker 1: the woman who was pouring the wine when she said
Speaker 1: no and jump to support Kyle's accusation that darit really
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to apologize. I was like, Garcel, you
Speaker 1: have been asleep under a rock for seasons and now
Speaker 1: you have stepped up. And I want to say that
Speaker 1: Garcell was my favorite player in episode four. I thought
Speaker 1: episode four, Garcel really decided to play the game. She
Speaker 1: opened up about her marriage, she tried to connect with Kyle,
Speaker 1: she dropped secrets, she stirred pots, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is what you're hired to do, lady, and this
Speaker 1: is what we want from you, and when you do it,
Speaker 1: you're actually really good at it and it's good television.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we've said we were on a bit more from
Speaker 3: Garcel and Sutton in terms of the realness, because what
Speaker 3: we have sort of seen over the seasons is them
Speaker 3: basically just picking someone to pile on and then just
Speaker 3: trying to expose them. But then we were like, but
Speaker 3: what are you actually bringing in terms of your own storyline?
Speaker 3: I mean I did sort of feel like that's what
Speaker 3: she was trying to do when she jumped on the Kyle.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say she was necessarily wanting to defend Kyle.
Speaker 3: I think it's more about trying to bring down to
Speaker 3: Read and well, I just felt like Duret's response. I
Speaker 3: think she was expecting to Read to be like, oh, Garcel,
Speaker 3: you know, I've always tried to get along with you,
Speaker 3: and she's just had enough. She's like, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care that you don'd like me. I don't
Speaker 3: care what you have to say. It's not surprising that
Speaker 3: you've said that whatever, I'm done with you and you're bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that you agree with that.
Speaker 4: And let's be honest, Okay, I'm not your favorite person.
Speaker 1: You're very clear about that.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect you to actually not agree with what
Speaker 4: she has to say.
Speaker 1: Okay, agreed, then we're on the same page.
Speaker 2: So I think that sort of backflipped a little bit.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, I agree in some ways, and
Speaker 1: I loved your retrospective of that. But and yes, I
Speaker 1: guess it was good that Deret didn't back down and
Speaker 1: just went, well, you know what, you know, of course
Speaker 1: you're going to have her back. I understand that to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, but it still took Garsel to get
Speaker 1: off the fence and actually join one of these conversations
Speaker 1: because so far she's just been two eyes, two ears,
Speaker 1: one mouth, with no speaking when all of this has
Speaker 1: been going down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, as we start to see episode five, the
Speaker 3: pot stirring is going to go to a new level
Speaker 3: because we saw her mention that Kyle gets these takes
Speaker 3: from PK. So that was obviously in the midst of
Speaker 3: this intimate sort of conversation that she was having in
Speaker 3: episode four on the boat where we thought.
Speaker 2: You know, she was being lovely, she was connecting with Kyle,
Speaker 2: but then.
Speaker 3: She goes and spills that tea and also mentioning the
Speaker 3: robbery and Darite's robbery and saying someone had something to
Speaker 3: do with that. So the pot stirring is going to
Speaker 3: a new level. So I think that is what we're
Speaker 3: going to see from Garcel bring to this season.
Speaker 1: I had a really heartfelt talk with Kyle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she told me that PK texts her.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you about this? I don't know whether
Speaker 1: or not this has happened in your friend group before,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious to know if your friend that you're
Speaker 1: very close to separates from their partner or their husband,
Speaker 1: how do you go about that relationship? Because I know
Speaker 1: you well enough to know that you would be friends
Speaker 1: with your girlfriend's partners. You would make a huge effort
Speaker 1: to do that. So if anything ever did happen, I
Speaker 1: want to know where you would stand. Would you continue
Speaker 1: a relationship with them or would you stop it straight away?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such an interesting one. It's really difficult.
Speaker 3: I think it is hard when you become friends with
Speaker 3: all those people over such a period of time to
Speaker 3: just cut everyone off. But I think ultimately there does
Speaker 3: come that point, or particularly maybe in that sort of
Speaker 3: very fragile state at the beginning, your loyalty probably has
Speaker 3: to be more so to your friend than I send.
Speaker 1: Out a text message straight away, like as the breakup happens.
Speaker 1: That's something quite effusive and really quite lovely excitement.
Speaker 3: Benjamin Norris media statement, all the best on your future endeavors,
Speaker 3: kind regards, Benjamin Norris.
Speaker 1: Something very supportive. I'll just love how well you know me,
Speaker 1: but not to that extent, but pretty much. No, I
Speaker 1: just think sometimes you just have to say, look, I'm
Speaker 1: very sorry about what has happened. You know, I've really
Speaker 1: appreciated the friendship. I try and sort of make sure
Speaker 1: I state my case before I completely retreat into the
Speaker 1: friendship that I have with you know, with my with
Speaker 1: my core friend. Do you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell I would continue to get
Speaker 1: text messages from one of my close friend's husbands if
Speaker 1: that's not where the friendship's going to go, because realistically,
Speaker 1: you could try and entertain that for a little bit
Speaker 1: of time, but you're never going to be friends with them.
Speaker 1: It's never going to work out. You're going to have
Speaker 1: to move on eventually. So you just need to get
Speaker 1: in there say something lovely. Thanks PK. We had at
Speaker 1: least one dinner off camera and at least eighty five
Speaker 1: dinners on camera. And I think you're a great guy,
Speaker 1: but all the very best. Don't drop the soap in prison.
Speaker 1: If that Blajo story is true, Well.
Speaker 3: The interesting part about these is everything you're saying correct,
Speaker 3: But what was different about this scenario is that Kyle
Speaker 3: had not talked to Dureat for six months, was not
Speaker 3: being actively friends with dret for six months. So that
Speaker 3: is where it sort of becomes a great area because potentially,
Speaker 3: in that scenario, she's like, well, I'm actually better friends
Speaker 3: with PK that I am with Dereat, and our husbands
Speaker 3: have always been friends, and you know, I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think there would be anything untoward in the text.
Speaker 3: I think they would probably just send each other funny
Speaker 3: hit and memes and all of that sort of stuff
Speaker 3: and have a laugh. But yeah, it does go into
Speaker 3: a gray area around the friendships and the loyalty and
Speaker 3: who comes first.
Speaker 1: I sometimes will put friends on pause and still continue
Speaker 1: to be friends with their parents. Is that bad?
Speaker 2: I mean, no, where are you going to dinner? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Where's that roast? Chook?
Speaker 1: Very quickly towards the end of this episode, got to
Speaker 1: see this very bizarre transition, and that was that Sudden
Speaker 1: had opened herself up and explained to dret that throughout
Speaker 1: this divorce, which was predicted to be very hard, Sudden
Speaker 1: explained to Derete that she could lean on her and
Speaker 1: was very authentic with this conversation. I thought she was
Speaker 1: authentic with what she was saying. However, we rolled into
Speaker 1: the next scene, and I mean, something's going to have
Speaker 1: to watch this back because she's really going to have
Speaker 1: to own this. She yells at Dreep first and then
Speaker 1: raises her voice and that's where and sort of reacts
Speaker 1: like she's the victim, like she's being yelled at for
Speaker 1: an actual fact. That's just not how it happened.
Speaker 2: You're the one who started yelling. You're the one who
Speaker 2: just started yelling.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I tried to bring this group together last.
Speaker 1: Night Sutton joined a conversation that she wasn't even really
Speaker 1: a part of the start with, and then yelled at her.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 3: And also trying to, you know, get them all at
Speaker 3: the table and we're doing a packed and it's sisterhood
Speaker 3: and we all have to be this way and we
Speaker 3: all have to be open and transparent and trying to
Speaker 3: lead this charge, and then trying to have her at
Speaker 3: home in the bus trip, and I just thought, you
Speaker 3: are unbelievable. You know, I can't with some I have
Speaker 3: never with her. She is so inconsistent. She is all
Speaker 3: over the shop. She has opinions. One minute, she gas
Speaker 3: lights you into thinking something. The next she plays the victim.
Speaker 3: She changes sides all the time. I think she's wired,
Speaker 3: a weird wired.
Speaker 1: Person as a housewife. I think that she goes to
Speaker 1: the dinner party and she rips the tablecloth off. You know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't just join a conversation and spill a drink.
Speaker 1: She literally makes sure that every single person at the
Speaker 1: dinner party has been disrupted by her behavior. She's one
Speaker 1: of those people that I guess we all have in
Speaker 1: our friend group, which is someone who gets themselves involved
Speaker 1: in so much of the drama that, yes, they probably
Speaker 1: did give some good advice along the way, and you
Speaker 1: know that that personality type will remind you that they
Speaker 1: got that right, But they also threw a lot of
Speaker 1: shit at the wall that didn't stick either, And they're
Speaker 1: also responsible for starting a majority of the fires that
Speaker 1: they then claimed that they put out.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what she does.
Speaker 3: She brings it up, She stirs the pod, and I
Speaker 3: sort of feel like it's very you know, it's like
Speaker 3: the old Chicago analogy, like razzle dazzle them over here
Speaker 3: and then they won't realize that you're doing nothing over there.
Speaker 3: And I just feel like that's what she tries to do.
Speaker 3: She tries to be abrasive, yell and Jennifer Tilly called
Speaker 3: her mercurial the after Show, which is basically like a
Speaker 3: sudden change of emotions. That's exactly what she does, but
Speaker 3: there's nothing sort of steady with her behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: So I guess in a reality TV sense, it does
Speaker 3: keep us on the edge of our seat, But in
Speaker 3: terms of a friendship, I don't know how measured people
Speaker 3: like Kyle have managed to stay friends with her for
Speaker 3: so long.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 1: I wonder whether or not we're going to see this.
Speaker 1: This is a prediction. My prediction in a season moving
Speaker 1: forward is that Sudden those two are going to fall out,
Speaker 1: and I reckon we're going to start to see that
Speaker 1: coming across in some of the confessionals, because I think
Speaker 1: that Jennifer Tilly is aware of a lot of Sutton's
Speaker 1: behavior and has just been tolerating it. And then once
Speaker 1: she gets herself in there and she asserts herself and
Speaker 1: gives us some purpose, I think she's going to challenge
Speaker 1: Sudden and we're going to see a massive bust up
Speaker 1: with those two.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's an interesting prediction. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I think they've been Beverly Hill's friends. I think
Speaker 3: they're both rich, they've both been single for a long time,
Speaker 3: and that has been the basis of their friendship. But
Speaker 3: in this scenario, in this show, depending on where they
Speaker 3: take Jennifer Tilly, because at the moment, we're only seeing
Speaker 3: little bits and pieces from her on the show and
Speaker 3: her quirkiness and a weird house and her chucky dolls.
Speaker 2: And all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: But if she is trying to make a move to
Speaker 3: get that diamond, then yeah, we will expect to see
Speaker 3: a lot more from her.
Speaker 1: She's a bit thirsty as well in her own way.
Speaker 1: Her claim to fame is those chucky movies. And I
Speaker 1: kind of relate to this because it's almost as though
Speaker 1: you invite your friends over. Imagine if I invite my
Speaker 1: friends over to watch episodes of Big Brother, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, that's what you kind of
Speaker 1: were known for. And then you come into the house
Speaker 1: and imagine I had a shrine of that stuff around
Speaker 1: my house.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, God, But do you know what you
Speaker 2: do have is a ding dang dong.
Speaker 3: It goes bang bang, bang, bang bang, and that scene
Speaker 3: with her and they're in the midst of this really
Speaker 3: emotional discussion and then the clock starts going.
Speaker 1: That's my antique club.
Speaker 2: That is exactly the first time I visited your house.
Speaker 2: Good shit out of me?
Speaker 1: No, and you gotta wait for the finish. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I digress episode four. How many Alana mcleans? Are you
Speaker 1: giving it three for that one? Same three for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Square it away three a little bit better than what
Speaker 1: I thought the episode was prior to that. I think
Speaker 1: for me, Garcel was the reason why I've given that
Speaker 1: that episode three points. Without her and Bose's comment about
Speaker 1: the toad, I might have been a little bit underwhelmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. It was enough. It
Speaker 2: was enough to keep us going.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the friend role and what they're
Speaker 1: allowed to do in terms of getting their hands dirty.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the executive producers talk to them
Speaker 1: about how much they can get themselves involved in? Because
Speaker 1: Kathy turns up very briefly. It's a blink and you'll
Speaker 1: miss her moment. So she is at Kyle's party. But
Speaker 1: as soon as the fight gets going, which I'm sort
Speaker 1: of getting ahead of myself, but as soon as that
Speaker 1: five got going, Kathy wasn't sitting there. And then you
Speaker 1: watch the faces of the friends of the show and
Speaker 1: they seem to sit back and they don't join the conversation.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that's controlled?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought this was an interesting one with Kathy also.
Speaker 3: Because of Jennifer Tilly that whole opening scene which was
Speaker 3: at her house, which we've just mentioned, But I sort
Speaker 3: of thought, oh, are we getting production trying to balance
Speaker 3: out the quirkiness, Like we won't have Kathy's quirkiness today
Speaker 3: with her getting her glam done and she's got her
Speaker 3: ivy drip and she's getting her face massage and all
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: We're going to give Jennifer her quirking moment now.
Speaker 3: So Kyle's coming to see her house with the dolls
Speaker 3: and the drinks and the weird shit she's got going
Speaker 3: on over there. And then she was part of that
Speaker 3: tribal council sort of conversation at the end. So maybe
Speaker 3: we'll leave Kathy out of it. We don't need two
Speaker 3: of them there. It's like they're job sharing the quirkiness role.
Speaker 2: So I feel like that was noticeable. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're so right about that job sharing
Speaker 1: because it does seem like that they even out that quirkiness,
Speaker 1: and I feel though there must be like a quota
Speaker 1: when they put these episodes together. They must talk about humor, controversy,
Speaker 1: stirring of the pot altercation, like they must sort of
Speaker 1: timeline these things to make sure every episode at least
Speaker 1: hits a point, you know, because it's feeling very muscular
Speaker 1: at the moment with this series. It's feeling like they
Speaker 1: know exactly where they need to go and they don't
Speaker 1: step outside of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think, I mean we've heard before.
Speaker 3: I mean it's interesting getting all the tidbits from the
Speaker 3: after show.
Speaker 2: If you don't watch the after.
Speaker 3: Show, sometimes you get more from the after show than
Speaker 3: you do on the actual show. It is very interesting,
Speaker 3: and there is a lot that gets left on the
Speaker 3: cutting room floor, and I think Anna Marie brought that
Speaker 3: to light last season after she got cut, because apparently
Speaker 3: there was a lot there to do with her political
Speaker 3: beliefs and her and Crystal having fights, but they cut
Speaker 3: all of that. We never knew any of that. So
Speaker 3: I think there is a lot there, and then they'll
Speaker 3: pick what they want to follow that narrative for show.
Speaker 1: I think I'll send a bouquet of flowers to the editor, though,
Speaker 1: because leave you me. I appreciate an editor who's willing
Speaker 1: to cut Crystal and Anna Marie out of the.
Speaker 2: I know, I kind of believe I remember their names.
Speaker 1: Next next. So one of the things I thought was
Speaker 1: interesting about this episode was Erica Jane had a piece
Speaker 1: to camera and because we're used to seeing like a
Speaker 1: line being thrown away in the confessional and then a
Speaker 1: drink of the drink to assert the fact that they've
Speaker 1: just said something extremely shady, can you please Alana explain
Speaker 1: to me what the hell she was talking about. I
Speaker 1: don't understand what she was talking about with a personality disorder,
Speaker 1: about Sutton's reference and her own. I'm not really here
Speaker 1: to diagnose personality disorders, but you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: have one. What was that?
Speaker 3: I think, well, she was calling her out as being volatile,
Speaker 3: and I think that's definitely something that we've seen as
Speaker 3: viewers and we've just spoken about it.
Speaker 2: But I think she was saying there's something more to that.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether that was a good move because
Speaker 3: bringing medical things into the mix and I just got ooh,
Speaker 3: it sort of discredits what you're saying. It takes it
Speaker 3: to another place when you're accusing someone of having some
Speaker 3: kind of medical or mental, you know, sort of issue.
Speaker 3: But then she said, yeah, I mean I've got one,
Speaker 3: but we didn't know what that was, so it was
Speaker 3: a bit strange. I think she sort of said that
Speaker 3: at the last minute to be like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 3: calling her out, like I've got something too. But when
Speaker 3: she was saying she was volatile, and to use Jennifer
Speaker 3: Tilly's word, mercurial is what she said in the after show.
Speaker 3: I think that describes some She goes from zero to
Speaker 3: one hundred. We've seen it, they've played all the tapes back,
Speaker 3: we're seeing the montage and she you know, when Kyle
Speaker 3: said that time, you know, you have a habit of
Speaker 3: losing your shit in ridiculous circumstances. That was another example
Speaker 3: of it. But I feel like she does it as
Speaker 3: a little bit of a front to try and take
Speaker 3: the reins, to take charge when she's gotten nothing that interesting.
Speaker 2: Going on in her own life. That's what she tries
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: I wonder whether or not we're going to get to
Speaker 1: see much heavy lifting from Erica Jane. I did notice
Speaker 1: this morning that she has posted on her social media
Speaker 1: that she's back again playing Roxy Heart. Didn't see whether
Speaker 1: it was in Chicago or whether it was in New York.
Speaker 1: But look, I think that's exciting for her that she's
Speaker 1: getting more of that work because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: she was wanting to do in the first place. If
Speaker 1: you go back and see what she talks about when
Speaker 1: she joined Housewives, it was really to be a launching
Speaker 1: pad for her. Erica jamesinging Korea.
Speaker 2: That will I think that will get a run on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, we might not see it until next year,
Speaker 3: but I think that becomes the full circle moment for
Speaker 3: her because she was doing that show when it all
Speaker 3: turned to shit, COVID hit everything with Tom happened and
Speaker 3: fuck four years of craziness and shit and then to
Speaker 3: get back on the stage four years later, that will
Speaker 3: be her full circle moment where she's like, I've come
Speaker 3: back out on top.
Speaker 1: It was a little country lesbian, not country western, but
Speaker 1: country lesbian for me. With this party that KLi was
Speaker 1: putting together, did you notice that there was barely any
Speaker 1: men there? Because was this supposed to be her white
Speaker 1: party that she does every year? Is that what we're
Speaker 1: was supposed to assume because the White Party back in
Speaker 1: the day, we just have couples everywhere where. This was
Speaker 1: basically women with muscles, wearing like they were all just
Speaker 1: wearing the same thing. Everyone was like, I'm just look
Speaker 1: like a Morgan Wade event, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like the influence of Morgan Wade and country. Everyone was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we've got to go to Kyle's place for a party.
Speaker 1: What are we going to wear? What's Kyle into these days?
Speaker 1: Vaginas and country. Women were like, we're going to bring
Speaker 1: out vaginas, We're going to get them out, and we're
Speaker 1: going to wear a country hat and Kyle will love us.
Speaker 1: Because to me, I was like, I was confused by
Speaker 1: whatever one was wearing.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, she said it was the first party
Speaker 3: without mo so maybe she was making it a bit
Speaker 3: more sort of fem fatale female energy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but she definitely is trying to make.
Speaker 3: The country thing cool and she's really leaning into that. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, there was no sighting of Morgan Way, but
Speaker 3: dare I say she could have been there, We just
Speaker 3: didn't see her on camera. But interesting to have Camille
Speaker 3: rock up as one of the I Guess guest stars
Speaker 3: of this episode and then to bring her sort of
Speaker 3: a thirstiness as we know her for so well to
Speaker 3: that final scene, which.
Speaker 2: Just made it explosive.
Speaker 1: I love the bringing back Camille. I mean, I hate Camille.
Speaker 2: I've so annoying.
Speaker 1: She's so annoying. She's very thirsty as a housewife. You
Speaker 1: can tell that every time she turns up. She's there
Speaker 1: for her moment. But Lisa Rinnod just recently was talking
Speaker 1: about where they wanted to bring Denise Richard's affair with
Speaker 1: Brandy Glanville to the surface, and they just would the
Speaker 1: producers would tell them, you know, something's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and we can't tell you too much about it, but
Speaker 1: pretty much all the ogs are going to be in
Speaker 1: this episode, and that's what happens. Like they bring someone
Speaker 1: in for a purpose, and Camille was obviously brought in
Speaker 1: for a purpose to upset direct that was obvious. Kyle
Speaker 1: was like doing the LVP trick, which is to sit
Speaker 1: around in the tribal council say nothing, nothing, and then
Speaker 1: have Camille be there and be like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do Kyle's work.
Speaker 2: It was red bag to a bull and it worked perfectly.
Speaker 2: It ignited her.
Speaker 3: She was already on a nice sage after the five
Speaker 3: with Sutton continuing trying to defend her position, trying to
Speaker 3: say her life sucks. What more can I say to you?
Speaker 3: And then for Commune to just jump in, and then
Speaker 3: we got the cunt references, We got the I rate
Speaker 3: anger from Dereid.
Speaker 6: I lost my house, I lost my assistant of many,
Speaker 6: many years, and I didn't get a lot of compassion
Speaker 6: or empathy from some, especially ninety Welcome to me.
Speaker 3: It worked a charm, but I still think, oh god,
Speaker 3: I could not agree with dret more.
Speaker 2: Camille is always looking for her moment.
Speaker 3: She always comes in, She's always online, she comments on
Speaker 3: everything like I don't think that's a front.
Speaker 2: I think she really is that thirsty.
Speaker 1: And you could tell the Kelsey Gramma thought the same
Speaker 1: thing about her, Like the Gramma's original reactions to Camille
Speaker 1: was like are you okay? Like when we watched season one,
Speaker 1: you could see Camille was like so overcooked, Like he
Speaker 1: looked so uncomfortable with it. Probably why he shifted her
Speaker 1: off and got a new wife. But I just I'm
Speaker 1: so glad Camille was there because we got this iconic moment.
Speaker 1: And I know that Erica said to Kyle in the
Speaker 1: after show, you know, I thought it was hilarious that
Speaker 1: she used that word, and Kyle said that it was
Speaker 1: inappropriate and didn't like that word used, didn't think it
Speaker 1: was the right thing to say. But as Erica referenced
Speaker 1: that moment where she jokingly said to Camille that you're
Speaker 1: a stupid cunt two seasons back or three seasons back,
Speaker 1: that was iconic, So it was kind of good that
Speaker 1: she referenced that. It's a kind of a nod to
Speaker 1: the fans, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the fact that ben Direct actually had the
Speaker 3: goal to be like, I didn't call you a f
Speaker 3: z U and T, I called you a stupid one.
Speaker 3: And then in her confessional she's like, I used to
Speaker 3: regret calling her out, but now I truly believe it,
Speaker 3: Like now I think she is a stupid f c
Speaker 3: U and T.
Speaker 1: Do your girlfriends use that word though, Like, no, I think.
Speaker 2: That's the word that you use. I mean, I get that.
Speaker 3: In the first instance, she was kind of saying, it's
Speaker 3: a bit of a joke, that that is like the.
Speaker 2: Worst of the worst to call someone that.
Speaker 3: That's like that you have used all the other words,
Speaker 3: that is the lowest.
Speaker 1: If anyone I know drops the C word, it's usually
Speaker 1: it's on it's usually like terms for I'm going to
Speaker 1: drop this word now to let everyone know that it
Speaker 1: is on, that.
Speaker 2: It's in the most the worst state it could be in.
Speaker 1: So how comfortable and confident were you with the term weaponized?
Speaker 1: Because I had heard that used just recently and in
Speaker 1: my friend groups someone said, you're weaponizing this and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, that does make sense, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's a really good way to explain how women do
Speaker 1: often do this to each other. I see it more
Speaker 1: in my female friendship groups than I do in my
Speaker 1: male friendship groups, and that has used something that's happening
Speaker 1: in their life against them. I think weaponizing is the
Speaker 1: new gas lighting when it comes to this season of
Speaker 1: the show, and I think bose Men hammering that point
Speaker 1: and making the women aware of it will be interesting
Speaker 1: to see whether or not they stop doing it or
Speaker 1: they start doing it more. But it's definitely going to
Speaker 1: be something I think they'll talk about as the series progresses.
Speaker 5: You just did that when I said that she's not manitu,
Speaker 5: she's mad at her life.
Speaker 2: That's weaponizing. It's love.
Speaker 5: You take the horrible situation this happening in somebody's life
Speaker 5: and turn it back around sharpen it and stick.
Speaker 1: Them with it.
Speaker 3: Well, her description was so perfect in terms of explaining
Speaker 3: it and why it's so hurtful, And I think that
Speaker 3: that is what something was doing.
Speaker 2: But we've seen something do that. We saw her do it.
Speaker 3: With Erica as well, and Garcelle does the same thing
Speaker 3: as well. They're both they're both culprits of it. And
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the fans are going to start
Speaker 3: to see that more and more because now someone like
Speaker 3: Bosa's had such a beautiful description of the word, it'll
Speaker 3: be easier for people to go, ah, that's what they've
Speaker 3: been doing all the whole, So the fans might start
Speaker 3: to turn on garcel.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think our Cell and Sudden have been
Speaker 1: facilitating the Lisa rent A role now and they've fully
Speaker 1: slipped into that role. They're fully wearing the mask. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I should say the maskers come off with the
Speaker 1: way in which they are now facilitating the Lisa rent
Speaker 1: A role by keeping things tracking along. But as we
Speaker 1: unpack some of this behavior, weaponizing, gas lighting, all of
Speaker 1: these terms that are now becoming so popular in reality television,
Speaker 1: isn't that what the show is kind of supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Aren't these women being told and coached behind the scenes
Speaker 1: by their producers that to make this show and to
Speaker 1: be good on the show, you need to join the fights.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to be good at confrontation.
Speaker 1: You know, if we take away weaponizing, you know, suddenly
Speaker 1: doesn't have much of a trick left.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think Kyle was trying to point
Speaker 3: out last year at the reunion when she was.
Speaker 2: Like, I have showed everything. All you do is try
Speaker 2: and pick up on stuff.
Speaker 3: That everyone else is doing so and then to boot
Speaker 3: she goes, oh, you know, she's not even consistent with
Speaker 3: her sort of takedown. One minute, she's friends with you,
Speaker 3: one minute, she's trying to sympathize with you. The next
Speaker 3: minute she's trying to bring you down. She's screaming you
Speaker 3: in a restaurant. She is just not at an equilibrium ever.
Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, you're right. The whole crux of
Speaker 3: these shows is conflict and then resolution and watching that
Speaker 3: kind of play out over and over again like a
Speaker 3: soap opera with different players and different sort of themes
Speaker 3: running throughout. So I think Sutton and Garsell definitely that
Speaker 3: that has been there.
Speaker 1: Am I how many? Alana McLean said we're giving this episode.
Speaker 2: This one was better for me. I feel like this
Speaker 2: was like this was up there. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's a four. I think it's a solid three and
Speaker 2: a half for me.
Speaker 1: This one, I'm going to agree. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: solid three and a half on this one. You know
Speaker 1: we're getting there, and I think, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a fan of the show and you have been there
Speaker 1: since the start, bringing someone like Camille Grammer into it,
Speaker 1: I think, oh, that's not her name. She's been Camille
Speaker 1: Grammar in like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: But we all know her is that she's hanging on
Speaker 2: to that for deal life.
Speaker 1: But bring someone like that back, it's iconic and it's
Speaker 1: fun to watch. And then when they get into some
Speaker 1: fights that bring up some old stuff from old seasons,
Speaker 1: it's just nostalgia rama for me. So like that's where
Speaker 1: we got to lift it a little bit. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's another episode where I began to like Garsell Moore,
Speaker 1: which is bizarre for me because I've not liked Garsel
Speaker 1: in any season that we've seen so far. So the
Speaker 1: fact that she's rising the ranks in who I am
Speaker 1: enjoying amongst these women is bizarre to me.
Speaker 3: Garcel is definitely taking on the lead role as the popstarer.
Speaker 3: I think we've seen the base sort of laid there
Speaker 3: for what is going to happen with Kyle, because she's
Speaker 3: obviously throwing Kyle under the bus about these PK rumors,
Speaker 3: and she's also igniting another fire, you know, jumping on
Speaker 3: this fan theory that's been online for years about the
Speaker 3: dret and PK robbery. So once those come to light more,
Speaker 3: I think we'll see Garsel right in the middle of
Speaker 3: a lot of these fires.
Speaker 1: To any predictions for next week, we saw the preview.
Speaker 1: They've not always been showing as the next week on
Speaker 1: Housewives as I mean, we've got to wait two weeks
Speaker 1: for it to be on.
Speaker 2: Two weeks.
Speaker 3: We've got the two week hiatus which over Christmas, so
Speaker 3: we're all going to have to wait. We're all going
Speaker 3: to have to wait with baited breath. Look, I think
Speaker 3: the fires are going to continue. Funny enough, the fire
Speaker 3: isn't so much around to eat and Kyle at the moment,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to start to spread to the
Speaker 3: other players.
Speaker 1: I do think there's going to be some evolution with
Speaker 1: these friendships, especially if you're going to fit bose Men
Speaker 1: into it. You know, I think that Boseman is clearly
Speaker 1: hanging on to her Dereat friendship for dear life, and
Speaker 1: I think that that's going to be really hard for
Speaker 1: her to maintain because Dereed's got too many holes in
Speaker 1: her story for a CEO to just sit by and
Speaker 1: co sign.
Speaker 3: Well, she's not going to take any bullshit, so I
Speaker 3: think once she works out the state of play, we'll
Speaker 3: really see her coming to her own.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll be back next week.
Speaker 2: Who two weeks? We have to wait?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have to waste two whole weeks.
Speaker 1: I love all the people online. Did you see the
Speaker 1: post and then read the comments underneath? We waited twelve
Speaker 1: months for this show to come back. How dare you
Speaker 1: stop for two whole weeks?
Speaker 2: And it's like a private Christmas.
Speaker 3: Got to go back to the beach and keep my
Speaker 3: dreadlocks happening, my curly dreadlocks. Well, wishing you the best Christmas.
Speaker 3: I have loved all our chats so far, and I've
Speaker 3: loved our little festive bumper episode two. Thanks for everyone
Speaker 3: being so patient. While we were clearly at fifty seven
Speaker 3: Christmas parties last week and couldn't cover the show.
Speaker 1: I wish that we could just print our text history
Speaker 1: Are You Free? No? Are You no?
Speaker 2: Loved God?
Speaker 1: And it was like the way in which I rationalized
Speaker 1: on my head was that if Teddy Mellencamp and tomorrow
Speaker 1: Judge can take a week off and put two episodes together,
Speaker 1: so can we.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we saw that window and we took it.
Speaker 3: But I've loved it and I can't wait to return
Speaker 3: with all new Juicy episodes.
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