Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: It's Flex and Frooms. Potty addition, we're talking about natural deodorant.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, but I was saying the first
Speaker 2: time I used this natural deodorant from one of those
Speaker 2: like bulk nut stores on King Street, what do you
Speaker 2: call it? Anyway, I bought a natural Yoda from then,
Speaker 2: a little little black tin or black glass jar, white
Speaker 2: or whatever. I put it on my arm.
Speaker 3: Wait you like, yeah, I'm I'm in it anyway, I
Speaker 3: use this natural deodorant the way that it dried out
Speaker 3: my armpits so much that it bled and scabbed over.
Speaker 2: I'm telling fair, telling you. Then I want to do
Speaker 2: some googling. They said that a lot of natural deodorants
Speaker 2: at the time, this was vintage twenty thirteen or whatever,
Speaker 2: use a lot of bi carp which is so drying.
Speaker 2: And it's like, it's two.
Speaker 4: Your episode of Girlie, What were you doing on that
Speaker 4: side of the road.
Speaker 2: On that side of the road. Serious, I'm a preservative girlie.
Speaker 2: But like my my circles, I dabble, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm the odd one out.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll be.
Speaker 2: Best friends of vegans. I'm the last man's standing me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the quirky girl pipeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, the quirky progressive I'm going to resist for
Speaker 2: the culture me too.
Speaker 4: I think we add a little bit of spice asolutely.
Speaker 2: It's almost it's subversive.
Speaker 4: Doing what is expected of us is subversive, I think absolutely. Anyway,
Speaker 4: enough talk enjoy it to.
Speaker 1: The podcast Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 4: LEXI, I'm a performer. You are a natural born stage stress.
Speaker 4: Correct perhaps an actor in another stage stress?
Speaker 2: Do you want to do that to yourself?
Speaker 4: Eo yeah, babes, Okay, I'm happy to be a sheeo
Speaker 4: despite what I say. Most of the days, I did
Speaker 4: a live show called Besties. It was conceptualized by myself
Speaker 4: and a man called Louis Hansen, and essentially it's a
Speaker 4: sleepover format on a stage. Did we get five hour
Speaker 4: of you in Melbourne?
Speaker 1: Absolutely from the age.
Speaker 4: Perhaps the most precious newspaper. Yeah, yeah we did again.
Speaker 4: Did we then go on to do a Sydney run
Speaker 4: that was sold out.
Speaker 2: Back to back? Well, I'm not talking sitting out in
Speaker 2: the box office for six weeks sold out. I'm talking live.
Speaker 2: Theyll to purchase within hours sold out. Yes, people aren't
Speaker 2: ready for this kind of prestige.
Speaker 4: We came on the friday we did at the Comedy Store,
Speaker 4: which if you're in Sydney, I implore you to go
Speaker 4: to the Comedy Store. It's in Moore Park. The crowd
Speaker 4: was ravenous, fast, flex Mummy, Keryl, every single thing we said,
Speaker 4: laughing obs Okay, it gave us perhaps a falseness of security,
Speaker 4: because why did the next day on a Saturday at
Speaker 4: the Factory Theater. I don't want to use word flop
Speaker 4: because I can only speak on behalf of myself talk
Speaker 4: to me. But it wasn't giving.
Speaker 2: Oh and I learned a few k you itself wasn't
Speaker 2: as intimate as the Comedy Store.
Speaker 4: Okay, it wasn't a venue. It was the time slot.
Speaker 4: Our show was at five pm on a Saturday. It's
Speaker 4: verging on matinee versus night show. Okay, perhaps the worst
Speaker 4: time to be doing a live show.
Speaker 3: More.
Speaker 4: You know, nobody's drunk except for four people that sat
Speaker 4: in the front row to heckle us. Four men or
Speaker 4: like oh like. They kept saying no, no, and I
Speaker 4: was like, not Australian, No, they're Australian but even they're
Speaker 4: just getting into the gags. So I've learned three things
Speaker 4: from this experience. Number One, if you have a choice,
Speaker 4: don't perform at five pm.
Speaker 2: It's better.
Speaker 4: You wonder why these comedians are doing shows at like
Speaker 4: ten thirty. I was like, who does that? Because people
Speaker 4: are crazy and tired, and when you're tired, your brain
Speaker 4: doesn't understand what's going on. So everything's funny.
Speaker 2: But I also just think that five pm, as you said,
Speaker 2: it's a strange time. We're still in work mode for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. They've rushed from the office to
Speaker 2: get to your gig. They've changed. It's messy. Ten thirty.
Speaker 2: You get up the whole day, you know where you're
Speaker 2: meant to be, you know what time. It is, totally ready,
Speaker 2: not you yawning into the mic the middle of your
Speaker 2: own segment.
Speaker 4: This is thick okay. Number two, once you've done all
Speaker 4: the rehearsing, do some back to back nights where you
Speaker 4: haven't really slept on the Friday night and we're not
Speaker 4: to a party in Bondi, I'm okay. Party on the
Speaker 4: ocean in a Spanish mission, bunch of flats. It's a
Speaker 4: seventies poor no theme party. I'm there till three thirty
Speaker 4: Amka dancing Dancing. Dan.
Speaker 2: You say last time you got down with it.
Speaker 4: I got down with the young folks, met some friends,
Speaker 4: met some fans of the show, and then the next
Speaker 4: day I performed quite well. I would say number three,
Speaker 4: shout out. This isn't so much of a learning then,
Speaker 4: I guess sharing with the audience. Shout out to the
Speaker 4: chick came all the way from Tasmania hot to Sydney
Speaker 4: to watch our show.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, all I'll say is, if you are a
Speaker 4: natural born former like me, get yourself out in the
Speaker 4: comedy festival. It's actually so fun. It's something that I
Speaker 4: wanted to do for many years now and I reaped
Speaker 4: nothing but rewards. The five star says it all really
Speaker 4: fam in the age.
Speaker 1: Flex and Rooms, I'm Kater Flexi.
Speaker 4: As you know, I have an interesting tech not so
Speaker 4: much take it stuff, But how do I say the
Speaker 4: social ramifications of being a tech bro or tech Bodjason
Speaker 4: to me, there's a lot of talk about Silicon Valley
Speaker 4: and whatnot. You know what, Mark Zuckerberg, if you listen
Speaker 4: to this, this is one of for you and your hosts.
Speaker 4: Someone sends me a message, right, because on the podcast
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago, I said, what even are all
Speaker 4: these tech jobs? What are all your titles? What's an
Speaker 4: account manager? What's a product manager? Yeah, what's a consultant?
Speaker 2: Tech slander?
Speaker 4: What's what's the Loyd? Guys? I still haven't gotten a
Speaker 4: conclusive answer at this point.
Speaker 2: Put a hand up. Michael knows.
Speaker 4: Upon hearing this, somebody has DMed me to give me
Speaker 4: a thorough understanding of what every job is in the
Speaker 4: tech world. Are you ready, flex mummy?
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 4: Number one consulting. You make powerpoints and also you will
Speaker 4: get late night emails from the partner of the firm
Speaker 4: asking plus fix p l Z fix No like punctuation.
Speaker 2: I kind of like that, though, because what slows me
Speaker 2: down from doing emails is email formatting. Hey, whoever, hope
Speaker 2: you're well. I was just thinking so and so and
Speaker 2: so I prefer please fix. That's the big dog in me.
Speaker 4: Account manager. You are the client's punching bag. End scene.
Speaker 4: Product manager. The customer tells me what's wrong with the product,
Speaker 4: and I tell other people how to fix the product.
Speaker 2: That's cool, bit you, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4: She goes on. If someone tells you that they work
Speaker 4: in tech. You could just say that's really vague, like
Speaker 4: a business, and instead ask them what's your elevateor pitch loll.
Speaker 4: This chick is choosing violence. Finally, if someone says they
Speaker 4: work in tech, she reckons it. It means that they
Speaker 4: don't earn a lot of money but genuinely believe they'll
Speaker 4: be rich one day. So it's not for your like
Speaker 4: I want to be rich in two years type of person.
Speaker 4: This is a long haul game.
Speaker 2: This is feeling really pointed and brutal. Well, I didn't know,
Speaker 2: is that deep? Do you think people say they work
Speaker 2: in tech because you gen pop normies don't understand the
Speaker 2: details of what's happening behind closed doors. It's almost like
Speaker 2: when you ask your friend what they do for work
Speaker 2: and they regret it instantly because you don't really want
Speaker 2: to know. Yeah, like, do you really want to? I'm
Speaker 2: a product manager for customer services of AI products.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm explaining. Finally, and this one's a kicker listening.
Speaker 4: If someone says they work for a startup, ask them
Speaker 4: what VC funding they have received so far and what
Speaker 4: their burn rate is, And no matter what they say, say, hmmm,
Speaker 4: are you a bit worried about it going under and O.
Speaker 4: So the next person, I's sky on a dating app
Speaker 4: with works in tech, account manager at Tech. I'm come
Speaker 4: on for you, BROV. It's not looking good.
Speaker 2: Mammay, can I listen to flex and rooms flex and
Speaker 2: fromes O cat Guess what I've come back from Coachella.
Speaker 2: I did the stereotypical Sydney person wants to experience the
Speaker 2: world and went straight to La the Sydney of America. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did I do pay a premium to stand in the desert?
Speaker 2: You know what? How many steps? I was clocking?
Speaker 4: Twenty k a day?
Speaker 2: Okay, come to a sorry.
Speaker 4: Fifteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but on an average.
Speaker 4: Three I'm on the six a day. That keeps good.
Speaker 2: It's cardio, endurance training, strength training, sprinting, all of the above.
Speaker 2: Would I do it again? I don't know. That's my
Speaker 2: second time I might have gotten out my system. Let's
Speaker 2: talk highlights and low lights pros. The scale of production
Speaker 2: is unlike anything I've ever experienced before. Let's say you
Speaker 2: go to Australian festivals which will not be named. You're
Speaker 2: not expecting production. At most, you'll see a little MP
Speaker 2: four file on the background, A little gradio Microsoft word
Speaker 2: type beat, and that's the most you're getting. Maybe you'll
Speaker 2: see a backup dancer or two doing a little two
Speaker 2: step three step. That's it. Even the smallest stages at
Speaker 2: Coachella have set design props, storylines, intro tracks, intermissions, costume changes.
Speaker 2: It's just a spectacle and it's really nice to see
Speaker 2: live music in the context of a production. Now, how
Speaker 2: when you go to a lot of gigs in Australia,
Speaker 2: you're just experiencing your own playlist, But just in real life,
Speaker 2: it's just the same vibe. You close your eyes, you're
Speaker 2: in your bedroom. Not at Coachella. You are transported. And
Speaker 2: for that, I say it's worth it. Con guess how
Speaker 2: much that experience costs?
Speaker 4: Ten k? Yeah, Geper's creepers.
Speaker 2: Like when I went the first time. I remember I
Speaker 2: stayed with a bunch of friends. There was five of
Speaker 2: us in a one bedroom hotel, so three in a
Speaker 2: room and then my best friend night sleeping on a
Speaker 2: sofa bed. It's dank, it's dank, gets cramped. But because
Speaker 2: it's in the middle of the desert, there's not that
Speaker 2: many accommodation options, So ten k roughly, because you know
Speaker 2: the conversion Yes, yes, conversion rates gets you three days
Speaker 2: at a resort, shuttle to and fro vip tickets and
Speaker 2: that's it. Can I get a who rah and flights.
Speaker 4: And get your phone lost?
Speaker 2: How about it? Anyway, good luck everyone, see you next year.
Speaker 4: Fru meno through me boo, Mummy, Lex Mom.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and Rooms on Kaita.
Speaker 4: It's Flex and Frooms and we are here in the
Speaker 4: decked out studio thanks to Shivas Regal and Flexing. You
Speaker 4: and I a long term collaborators. I would say I
Speaker 4: believe our love of her started in twenty eighteen when
Speaker 4: I interviewed you interviewee interviewer. Has anything changed in my style?
Speaker 4: Probably not? But we work together anyway or the same payroll.
Speaker 4: At least we first made We first made our debut
Speaker 4: as a couple together when I collabed on your conversation cards,
Speaker 4: the Frooms deck of the Reflex cards, very very popular
Speaker 4: and it was quite a good collaborative process like I
Speaker 4: find it, found it quite easy. You gave me a
Speaker 4: lot of free rein and from that we began a relationship.
Speaker 4: You also came in and worked with me on a
Speaker 4: branded piece that I did as an actor, and you
Speaker 4: really elevated that piece. And it was in that moment
Speaker 4: that we stopped together.
Speaker 2: And we thought, wait a second.
Speaker 4: You held my arms and you said, I think we
Speaker 4: should do something together.
Speaker 2: That sounded something I would say, and it was like
Speaker 2: the Heaven Zone and then not follow up on it.
Speaker 2: We followed up, yeah, eventually, but I.
Speaker 4: Thought, in that moment, yeah, it's a bit one boys.
Speaker 4: This feels good. And then we went on.
Speaker 2: How many years in the making though.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't until twenty twenty that we oh, I
Speaker 4: guess we did.
Speaker 2: It was twenty eighteen. Let's say we met, so our
Speaker 2: timeline synced up, but knew of each other before then.
Speaker 2: This might be five, six, seven years in the making
Speaker 2: if you really think about it. And I don't think
Speaker 2: that every collaborative coupling requires that much edging.
Speaker 4: I mean, if we're going to go there.
Speaker 2: But I think it's very helpful.
Speaker 4: We understand the law of each other. I think that's
Speaker 4: what's important when you're choosing someone to collaborate with. It's
Speaker 4: always helpful to know their discography, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Question for the class, Yes, it's collaboration necessary in no
Speaker 2: professional success, I.
Speaker 4: Would say my individuality complex would say no. I used
Speaker 4: to love just working alone. I did a lot in
Speaker 4: my old job, and I loved like the swallows of
Speaker 4: a success that I got off my own back. But
Speaker 4: now I see in life it's way more fun to
Speaker 4: collaborate because what even matters is the end result. It's
Speaker 4: all about the journey.
Speaker 2: One more time, It's all about the journey before that,
Speaker 2: what was the end result doesn't matter for the journey
Speaker 2: just in a friend you make along the way.
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Speaker 2: the topic of success, I want to chat personal brands.
Speaker 2: What are they and do you have one?
Speaker 4: I love the term personal brand because I think even
Speaker 4: ten years ago it would be like we're living in
Speaker 4: a black mirror episode, the idea that you as a
Speaker 4: person are calling yourself a brand. What I was watching
Speaker 4: a south Park episode the other day, which is my
Speaker 4: how do I say? It's the Simpsons offacation of my
Speaker 4: adult life.
Speaker 2: So I learned what was I saying, Like, I think
Speaker 2: of South Park helps me think about things in a
Speaker 2: critical way. You told me the characters were four years
Speaker 2: old every day. It may help you think about your
Speaker 2: life in a critical way.
Speaker 4: They did an episode the other day and bear with
Speaker 4: me if you don't watch South Park where the boys
Speaker 4: went to this like workshop that taught them how to
Speaker 4: have a personal brand, and they go through and like
Speaker 4: they did a slide show being like you can have this, this,
Speaker 4: this or this, and it was just such a good
Speaker 4: explanation of what it can sometimes feel like having a
Speaker 4: personal brand on social media, particularly like I didn't come
Speaker 4: into this necessarily thinking I'm going to have a personal brand,
Speaker 4: but I guess just when you work with brands, when
Speaker 4: you work with other people.
Speaker 2: So what did the episodes say?
Speaker 4: It was kind of taking the piece out of the
Speaker 4: idea of personal brands because it is very prescriptive and
Speaker 4: like it was saying like you need to have this, this, this,
Speaker 4: and this.
Speaker 2: Oh the irony of saying your personal brand can be
Speaker 2: like segmented into these ten easy steps.
Speaker 4: Right exactly. And yes, someone who didn't necessarily go into
Speaker 4: this line of work thinking that I needed a personal
Speaker 4: brand beyond like the way that I looked for example,
Speaker 4: it's it can sometimeys be a funny adjustment, like you'll
Speaker 4: get a brief come through and would be like, we
Speaker 4: want this for like a quirky x y Z and
Speaker 4: I think I'm what is this what you see me for?
Speaker 2: Like? Is that?
Speaker 4: And because you like commodify your brand? Is that how
Speaker 4: much I'm worth? Is that how much I'm worth? It's
Speaker 4: kind of like an interesting experience both as a person
Speaker 4: and as a brand.
Speaker 2: Like how would you define what a personal brand is?
Speaker 4: Personal brand is something that like if you would ask
Speaker 4: ten people in a room, from like people that don't
Speaker 4: know you at all to people that know you really
Speaker 4: well online in the online space, not your family, what
Speaker 4: would be like things that are in the ven diagram
Speaker 4: that everybody says, ooh, so some of these things you
Speaker 4: can't change. Like someone would be like, she's this age
Speaker 4: for some people that's twenty, because other people that's sixty.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna decide for you, Like those things you
Speaker 4: can't change, whereas like whether or not you dress well,
Speaker 4: or you're quirky or you're not quirky, or you're.
Speaker 2: These things get coming up, babe, you want to process
Speaker 2: and together or no, No, it's the age, it's the dating.
Speaker 2: Now I get that. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting because I feel like personal
Speaker 2: brands are odd, because commodifying your skills makes sense, commodifying
Speaker 2: your interest makes sense, commodifying your education makes sense, commodifying
Speaker 2: yourself a little bit dystopian. Not above it, not above it.
Speaker 2: I get amongst it every day. But I think that's
Speaker 2: where the conversation becomes really odd, because in order to
Speaker 2: define a personal brand, you would need to assign a
Speaker 2: quantifiable value to what you offer people, which means that
Speaker 2: your brand is usually the sum of the perception of you.
Speaker 2: And if you're unlucky or you haven't done enough conscious
Speaker 2: effort to present in a certain way, then your brand
Speaker 2: becomes this mishmash of things that you once expressed too
Speaker 2: much and now you're stuck with them.
Speaker 4: Shrek is a great example.
Speaker 2: Let's talk that. Bring that through.
Speaker 4: So probably during lockdown and I was strapped for things
Speaker 4: to consume, so I wat Shrek for the first time,
Speaker 4: started posting about it. And there's a lot of law
Speaker 4: when it comes to Shrek, right and I didn't realize
Speaker 4: the wellspring is that deep for things to talk about
Speaker 4: ari Shrek and people love it. It's somehow the zeitgeist
Speaker 4: is obsessed with Shrek. I don't know when it started.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I was on the precipice or
Speaker 4: the end wave of shrek Ism.
Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty lockdown, so one would say not on
Speaker 2: the precipice.
Speaker 4: Maybe not, maybe not earlier, like Shrek means of him
Speaker 4: being buff. We're around twenty sixteen, I will admit, but
Speaker 4: that wasn't even something that I thought of as a
Speaker 4: core brand. But still to this day, every day someone
Speaker 4: sending me the Shrek Wrave, someone sending me like Shrek
Speaker 4: above a church. That's someone I've been getting recently.
Speaker 2: And because you have this inadvertent Shrek brand and we
Speaker 2: do this show, people think it's a mutual thing. Scary, unfortunate, disappointing.
Speaker 2: Won't let it get between us though.
Speaker 4: Of course I'm you're a green, so terrible choice for
Speaker 4: today segment, But here we are. You know it flexing
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Speaker 1: You're listening to flex and Rooms on Kaita.
Speaker 2: What did we see just this coming? Whenever it was
Speaker 2: Metgaga one day. I don't know what it is about media,
Speaker 2: but I find that I'm experiencing it when everybody else
Speaker 2: is experience, which is odd for somebody who works in media.
Speaker 2: I think I should know when the Metcala is going
Speaker 2: to be on.
Speaker 4: It just comes around, Ye comes around.
Speaker 2: I heard some gossip that the Kardashians weren't going to
Speaker 2: be invited. I don't know. I don't want to put
Speaker 2: words in Anna wind Tour's mouth, but they were trying
Speaker 2: to make a prestige again. But they were there. I
Speaker 2: also heard they were going plant based for dining.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Kiki Palmer went to the met Gala last year and
Speaker 2: she was like, there's a reason why they don't show
Speaker 2: you the food.
Speaker 4: Here, move your hairs, do your thing.
Speaker 2: What a banger, she Here's my thing about the Met Gala.
Speaker 2: So the theme was Carl Lagafeld a line of beauty.
Speaker 2: What does that even mean? Every year? It makes no
Speaker 2: sense to me because white people wearing burbery is burbery,
Speaker 2: Car Lagafeld. Don't answer. Okay, don't fact check either. It's
Speaker 2: not necessary. What would I have worn? Let's say if
Speaker 2: we were going to this most recent one, right, I'm
Speaker 2: torn between people who just gave generic red carpet glam
Speaker 2: because when you have that many eyeballs on you, do
Speaker 2: you want to be the kookiest girl on the venue
Speaker 2: or do you just want to be beautiful for a day?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Are you going to rock up in cat prosthetics like
Speaker 2: Doja Cat to make a statement.
Speaker 4: Maybe she's on her Northway Flex getting into the prosthetics everytime.
Speaker 4: Northwest is a prosthetics genius, but we'll leave her out
Speaker 4: of it. Personally, I'm going with the Kimmy K. Look,
Speaker 4: Kimmy K dominates, okay, and I think it's through years
Speaker 4: of prejudice of her not getting let in. Okay, She's
Speaker 4: come through and she's excellent.
Speaker 2: That beat it look.
Speaker 4: Remember just on Playboy two thousand and seven and I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: she's doing the Playboy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's big to reference yourself.
Speaker 4: But you know what, as some people say, you're the
Speaker 4: Maril Monroe of this generation.
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