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Speaker 1: Now Solomon MP, Luke Gosling's pushed to bring Aldi to Darwin.

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Speaker 1: It's going to reach another level from what I understand,

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Speaker 1: He joins me on the line right now, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: How are you Katie?

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Speaker 3: Very well?

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Speaker 2: Mate?

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Speaker 1: What is next when it comes to Aldi? How are

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Speaker 1: you going to keep this fight alive?

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Speaker 2: Yeahan, I just want to thank everyone who's been really positive.

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Speaker 2: There are a few naysays here or there, and they

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Speaker 2: just seem to be thinking that the logistics would mean

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Speaker 2: they said about Queensland as well, and they've opened all

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Speaker 2: frustrating to work with LD Australia and that's why last

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Speaker 2: night I was chatting with the German Embassy they're a

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Speaker 2: good contacts in there because we've just been blocked. You know,

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Speaker 2: But we've got a really compelling case. Not only is

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Speaker 2: many places on the East Coast where they've got eldi's,

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Speaker 2: but there's the ability to help up the track.

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Speaker 1: And then it comes down to transport as well, though

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Speaker 1: they've been transporting transporting goods and it's more economically viable

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Speaker 3: It's it's a tough ask.

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Speaker 1: If it's if the numbers aren't adding up unless the

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Speaker 2: Katie, how do you reckon? From Brisbane they provide goods

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Speaker 2: There's an ability I'm talking to those that provide goods

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Speaker 3: But freckon, the numbers stack up.

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Speaker 2: That aside, it's still worthwhile. Our market in Darwin and Palmerston,

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Speaker 3: I love to see it here. I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: But the fact is, if it's not economically viable for

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Speaker 3: I want it to happen, but I just don't know how.

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Speaker 2: As I said, I've been having conversations with the government

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Speaker 2: If we can make that pitch to ALDI, and it

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Speaker 2: it's just not going to work. I remind like, who do.

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Speaker 1: You thinks deciding that it's not going to work. Who

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Speaker 1: do you think is deciding that it's not going to work.

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Speaker 2: There hasn't been a decision that it's not going to work.

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Speaker 1: You just said you're trying to meet because there's others that.

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Speaker 3: Aren't that are deciding that it's not going to work.

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Speaker 1: Is so different, and even Brisbane and like Brisbane to

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Speaker 1: And you know there's people messaging through this morning going Katie,

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Speaker 1: Could he be more focused on actually trying to do

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Speaker 2: Can I just thank thanks for the opportunity to remind

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Speaker 2: Katie when people say, oh, the federal members should be

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Speaker 3: We all do. Absolutely, we do. Absolutely, we do.

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Speaker 2: Katie, if I can just get a word in, you're

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Speaker 3: Talk, Luke. You actually sound quite rude this morning.

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Speaker 1: If I'm honest with you, I'm trying to ask you

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Speaker 2: No, mate, is that the question? How are we going

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Speaker 1: An Yeah, you don't even It sounds to me like

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Speaker 2: So what we're trying to do at the moment is

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Speaker 2: I'm currently talking through different people in Germany who are

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Speaker 2: but the benefits for Aldi. How does Officeworks manage to

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Speaker 2: How do any of these large companies, And let's face it,

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Speaker 1: Only part of it. It's got to stack up for

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Speaker 1: want them to come to the Northern Territory. But you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure our Attorney General Mark Dreyfus is in

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Speaker 2: But we haven't at the federal level withdrawn any money

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon, Do you reckon though, that there's more

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Speaker 1: Sure why you're being so confrontational this morning, but let's

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Speaker 1: be honest about it. The government was in for the

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Speaker 1: you know, we can all blame each other, we can

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Speaker 1: blame whoever. I can blame the former government if you'd

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Speaker 3: The betterment of all Northern Territorians.

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Speaker 2: Well, the former Anti government didn't withdraw funding from legal No.

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Speaker 1: One'm saying they withdrew funding, but we are saying there's

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Speaker 2: I think that is what they've got to answer. And

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Speaker 2: we're talking to the NTI a Journey General about any

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Speaker 2: withdrawals of funding with or funding that's happening at the

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Speaker 2: NT level and why that's happening. But also they'll need

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Speaker 2: to renegotiate a partnership for the next financial year. But

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Speaker 2: in the current financial year, within at the end of

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Speaker 2: June twenty twenty five, the federal government will provide the

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Speaker 2: funding that it's committed to provide. If there's a lack

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Speaker 2: of services due to the NT government withdrawing funding, that's

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Speaker 2: something that they have to answer. But I can see

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Speaker 2: already that they're trying to back away from the education

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Speaker 2: funding for our public schools around the territory. If the

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Speaker 2: NT government is going to withdraw funding from our public

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Speaker 2: schools again, they will be questions for the NT government

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Speaker 2: Minister for Education.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope not for education, I hope for justice

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Speaker 1: by the sounds of it. If it's if it is

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Speaker 1: indeed for NT legal aid or for the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: look for.

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Speaker 2: The Attorney General cuts to education funding your questions for

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Speaker 2: the NT Minister for Education.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how we went across there, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling, thanks for your time this morning, much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: We'll leave it there