WEBVTT - Sinner’s back! Casper gets candid, Osaka wins on ‘worst surface’ 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.320 Hello, and welcome to the tennis for another week live 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.719 from Pod labor Arena, Big week of tennis news. Yannick 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.280 Sinner returns to massive fanfare with the four of Italico 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.079 and Madrid. Champ caspar Rood opens up about his mental 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.200 health journey and tarot tennis. What does that mean? Brie 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.000 will fill us in later, but that's ahead with me 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.040 joining me once again, John Fitzgerald with a new hip. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.960 Yes, I do well, it's a new seven weeks ago. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.159 I'm feeling better, great, feeling better. Yeah, a little bit 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.080 more traumatic than I. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:36.879 Thought it would. Oh really, they didn't knock you out. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.720 My pain threshold is not that high. But it's been good. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:41.080 Yeah. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:42.440 I have a lot of faith in the surgeon. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.120 And you're doing a lot of swimming. They say that's 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:46.200 really good after hip. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.000 Yeah, but there's a problem if you sink when you swim. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.839 Oh it's actually forty eight. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.920 Really, I didn't realize that. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.960 Well, I've got six inches of titanium now, so mind 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.760 mat that might make this It's light, okay, I hope. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.120 So you'd be fun at airports. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.640 My swimming airport's a problem. I have to be very upfront. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.320 Well, good, well, great to have you back. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:08.600 Thanks. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.480 And last time he was here he was heading off 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.720 to a wedding and now he's back. Luke Saville, welcome home. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.160 Thanks guys, good to be back. And yeah I made 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.240 it home from the Philippines. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.520 So warm was it ever? 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:24.280 Four days, big sweater, high humidity. The wedding suit was 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.000 a challenge on wedding day, but yeah, it got through it. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.160 Put that suit straight into the dry cleaning when. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:30.440 I got home. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.160 And Dash, it was a bridesmaid. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.039 Dash as a bride's maid. You go, well, yep. She 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:38.240 I had to tell her not to. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.520 Be the center of attention for that one day and 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:41.560 she didn't listen to. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.400 She did, she never does, but yeah she was. She 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:46.440 had an absolute blast. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.200 And yeah, destination wedding hadn't sort of the first one 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.480 I've been to, and I highly recommend going to the Philippines. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.560 Put that on a list. And joining me is always 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.600 his co host with the most it's pretty. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.600 Steuart, welcome, thank you, good to have you back. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.080 You're in my seat last week where. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.880 I was, I got a lot of good feedback. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.600 Yeah, I actually got some too, and I I was fine. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.280 I was very happy for you. Yeah, yeah, wasn't right, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.120 agree at all? You're okay, yeah, cool, No, that's right. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.880 We share the load. It's all good, we do all right. Well, 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.640 let's jump straight into the thick of it of the 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.600 tennis news. What caught your eye this week? Fitzy hit 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:20.880 us off well. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:25.519 Yannick Center huge, Yeah, returning after he's three months off 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.720 and starting at his home championship. It's a big event, 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.400 the Italian Open. We remember playing there. I can remember 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.000 last century playing there and it what a great event 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.160 in all aspects. So it's a big thing for Italian 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.400 tennis having back, big thing for world tennis having back. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.160 And I'm an anabashed a fan fan of his, so 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.760 you know, I always felt just I'll touch on it briefly, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.679 but I always felt if you could prove where you 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.280 were where you tested positive, you can prove it and 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.560 it's not intentional. You can prove that, and you can 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.760 also that it's not performance enhancing. I think, you know, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:09.160 he proved his case well and the system needs to 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.560 work like that. You can't just assume everyone is guilty, 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.079 because there are people that are not. So I think 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.160 he's a great leader of our sport. I know he's 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.200 a quality person have the inside running on that very clearly, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.040 and I'm a wrap that he's back. I love watching 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.720 him play things. Is great for the sport. So it's 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.160 a big week this week for him and all of us. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.880 Much like any kind of legal thing, there has to 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:34.920 be some sort of right of appeal, There needs to 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.920 be a procedure in planyet. It sounds like that's what happened. Well, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.920 he proved it, and you know, it does the burden 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.280 of proof that was the level when we hit it. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.880 Well, it doesn't mean that innocent people don't get off, 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.320 but in this case, it seems to me like the 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.400 system worked, and that's what you want. You want a 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.520 system that works if you can prove, and maybe other 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.040 innocent people haven't been able to prove, and therefore it 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.680 becomes word against word, doesn't it. But but look, let's 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.400 move on from that. I think that's the downside. Exciting 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.760 and everyone yes, and he's enormous for the sport. His 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.760 record could end up, you know, as big as some 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.760 of the game's greats, and it could over time. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.159 Do you both think him having some time off will 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.359 make his game stronger? 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.320 It's yeah, I keep going back and forth on expectations 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.360 for him, especially the next few weeks, and obviously coming 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.320 back straight into the highest level of the game, he's 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.800 going to have a buyer, so he'll play someone that's 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.000 got matches under their belt. So but obviously playing at 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.240 home as well, they'll give him an extra leg as well. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.120 So I think, you know, probably lower expectations for him 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.840 this first week. I'll be interested to see if he 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.239 doesn't play many matches, if he takes a wild card 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.760 into a two point fifty the week before the French Open, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.560 So just sort of monitor that one. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.719 But with your coach has had on, would that be 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.120 your recommendation. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.599 Maybe if he doesn't get enough matches this yeah, I think, 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.400 you know, if it's probably two or less matches, i'd 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.040 probably I feel like they'd sort of explore that option 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.040 a little bit. But you know, only three months out. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.720 The season is so long, and I actually think it 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.599 probably gave him an opportunity to freshen up a little 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.400 bit and come into the French Open ready and raring 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.560 to go, where there's a few injury clouds amongst. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.240 The top of the game. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.719 Look, three months off is a long time. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.280 It is a long time, but. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.400 There are you know, there's so many cases where the 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.680 rest periods are not long enough in our sport, and 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.400 there's no real off season, and players that have toured, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.720 like this young fellow here next to me, know how 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.520 physically debilitating it can be. So I think not necessarily. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.560 Will it help him in the first few weeks, Yeah, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.159 maybe it will, but I'm not so convinced there. But 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.400 in the second half of the year, that three months 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.239 off might might make a big difference. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.440 Yeah, but that three months, like he's not sitting on 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.440 a beach sinking apparol spritzers, like he'd be working by 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:00.800 that time to keep. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.320 Darren Kale has been in Monte Carlo for more than 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.760 three weeks, three to four weeks. They've been working hard. Yeah. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.400 My other question is a bit often can you manage, like, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:16.760 imagine the energy right now in Rome with the conclavelave 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:17.159 going on. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.719 You've got Cinner back, Yeah, Cinner for Pope. 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.680 Well, there might be another statue. It will be Zeus too, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:24.880 one into the stadium. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.840 Yeah, put some white smoke up a new Pope Sinner's 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:35.000 orange smoke, burned some carrots, very good. It's anything else 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.440 to add on, old mate, Cinna. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.400 No, I'm just I just happened to be a fan 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.000 of the good guys of the sport. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:44.640 Yeah and city next tok. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.279 Yeah, I am absolutely. I've said that before in this 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.240 public forum. It's not working, and I don't say it 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.599 when I don't mean it, by the way. So I 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.560 think we've been blessed in the men's game over the 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.159 last you know, twenty or thirty years, We've had some 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.039 great leaders of the sport, and this is one of 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:05.599 the new ones. And he can be that locomotive that 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.560 takes the game along end of the next serve. And 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.960 if you've got a good character at the top of 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.640 the game, I think it helps enormously. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.040 Yeah, definitely having someone for younger players, young kids look 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.280 up to yours. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.280 You going to play the Devil's advocate real quick? Do 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.440 you think it's a coincidence that his three months ran 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.720 or the duration was between half the Australian Open and 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:33.000 days before the Rome well Master's his home tournament. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.640 Fair question. As the Devil's advocate, if you read and 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.680 know the information, you'd have to say no. Because the 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.160 governing body they it's up to them to make that 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:49.400 decision eventually, and so if you know about the appeals 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.840 and the chronological order of how it all happened. I 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.720 would say no, but I'm not party to the exact 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:57.840 information there. 0:07:58.120 --> 0:07:59.360 It is convenient, though. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.200 Isn't it nice and convenient? 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.800 Yeah? 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.560 See, that's that's that's suspicious. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.960 To talk about love conspiracy. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.040 I like your jacket by the way outside because I 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.840 didn't forget to change the subject. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.400 Lawyer, All right, well, Luke, sticking with you, Caspar rud 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.360 he's your court, your eye. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:20.720 Yeah. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.320 I think one of the challenges for Janick Sinner at 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.200 the French Open in a couple of weeks, just winning 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:31.880 his first atp Masters one thousand in Madrid, defeating Jack Draper, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.840 who's having a fantastic season as well, now top five 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.480 in three sets, and he's opened up about his mental 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:46.760 health challenges and seeking some advice from a psychologist and yeah, 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.640 he's quoted here it's like personal training for your brain. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.880 So I think, yeah, it's super important to come out 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.400 and be open and honest like he has. And I 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:58.960 feel like a lot of people can relate to that 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.440 as well. On tour and I think, you know, from 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.720 a public's perspective, we put a lot of these players, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.360 these professionals on such a pedestal, which they are incredible athletes, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.120 incredible players, and you sort of think, oh, they're doing 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.760 just fine and making millions of dollars, but everyone, you know, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:19.360 sometimes or some people can be struggling behind quite closed door. Sorry, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.760 So I think great for him to be open and 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.000 honest about that, and I feel like he's a real 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.920 chance at the French Open in a few weeks. The 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.440 last three years he's gone semi's final final, so I 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.720 think he's a real challenger. One of the best players 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.600 on the clay just moved so well, such a great 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.199 fullhand who's playing the uts in France where I was 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.960 a few weeks ago with Alex Demonaar and he won that, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.800 and just one of the best clay courters there is, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.960 and a real chance to win his first Slam. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:52.400 I think he's in that second tier of the of 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:53.599 the top echelon. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.480 Yep, but of clay. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.199 He needs everything to go right for him. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.120 I think, yeah, I'll probably retract my words a little bit, 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.520 like definitely on the hard court is a chance as well. Yep, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.360 the French he is legitimately one of the best clay 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:04.920 courters in the world and I was having a chat 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.000 with with all of my good friends this morning, and 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.880 he was almost arguing he's the second favorite behind Carlos 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:16.280 and with Yannix obviously average preparation without playing matches, so 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:17.760 he's definitely a chance. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.160 And I think, yeah, yeah. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.840 That argument's absolutely legitimate. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.800 I think, yeah, it's amazing, and I think well done 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.439 to him for being open about his mental health struggles. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.520 I know, like we'll talk about it as just normal people, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.679 but being in the public eye that open about it. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.360 And I was reading too that Jack Draper has come 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.960 out and talked about his anxiety as well, that he suffers, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.840 and you know, it's just becoming such a big important 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.040 topic within tennis and sports. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.679 Yeah, everyone has their struggles, and just because you're at 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.320 the top of your game, it doesn't make it worse, exactly, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:57.440 under such scrutiny from fans, from your detractors, from other players. Yeah, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.480 but just opening up and just being honest with the 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.960 tennis community, I think it just has a really good 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.319 opportunity for that dialogue. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:08.840 I think that tennis community comes from a global community 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.959 that are just average people. Initially most of them are. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.240 It's a cross section of a global community most of 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:19.840 them come from average backgrounds, whatever that actually means, and 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.960 they just happen to have a very special skill set 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.240 in their area, like a lot of people do. In 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.200 this world. There's this tennis and so they're going to 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.479 have the same struggles as everyone else. Anxiety. Look, anxiety 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.960 before you played big matches in front of a big crowd. Yeah, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:39.520 that's pretty normal. If you weren't nervous playing on Sentta 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.080 cord at Wimenen or any of those big stages, you weren't. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.600 You weren't paying attention, you weren't normal, Yeah, exactly. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.400 But it's great. And Jack Draper, by the way, I 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.960 take my hat off to him. Look, because he has 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.720 had a run this first part of the year. I 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.520 didn't quite see that coming in the Australian summer. And 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.280 I've got I've got to admit, and I've always said 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.240 that if you're not in the top five, six or 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.720 seven men players in the world, you can't win a major. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.000 And so therefore I probably didn't give him a realistic 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.920 chance of winning a major in the near future. But 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.319 if he's top five now, he's knocking on the door 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.199 of that top echelon of the sport. But qdostin him 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:20.520 as well. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.080 He's always felt like he had the game, but maybe 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.080 just the physical side he lacked potentially, So I felt 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.600 like at the Australian Opening he still wasn't maybe playing 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.640 as well as he is right now, but he won 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.920 a few five setters which proved to me always is 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.000 in much better shape here and mentally ready to take 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.760 that next step, and he's playing unreal tennis like he's 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.680 really taking care of some fantastic clay courters easily. So 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:49.040 he's definitely one. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.520 To watch as well. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.920 I'm still not sure best of five seven matches if 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.920 he can win a slam, but yeah, who knows. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.000 He might prove me wrong. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:01.200 Well, speaking of caspar Ruod, he actually was to another player, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.000 Eager Sviertek, who's had some difficulties in the WABE and 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.800 while I was perusing, as I do, Polish news sites 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.559 with the help of Google Translate, it came across a 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.440 little article that was pretty broadly picked up around Eager 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.000 skipping the entire grass season. That has of course since 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.679 been refuted by Eager herself saying no no, no, no, no, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.360 no no no no, I'm playing women. What are you 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:22.920 talking about that? 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:23.520 I'm glad she is. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.160 Yeah, absolutely, it would be quite a loss to have 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.720 an entire grass season, no eager. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.080 And it's going to be the hardest one for her 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.200 to win, I think, because her game is based around 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.800 that forehand and she wants a high bouncing ball generally 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.920 on that forehand, and grass rushes her a little bit, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.400 So it's going to be the hardest a surface for 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.839 her to win on. But if she doesn't go there 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.880 every year and give it a shake or give it 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.760 a go, she may never win it. And she wants 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.840 to give herself the best chance, and that's to play 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:00.000 every year, earn every year, and finally hopefully Rory McAll. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.600 Yeah, absolutely, And it sounds like she, you know, has 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.640 had a lot going on recently. She's mentioned how a 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.120 bit of a slump in her form, passing her grandfather 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.040 and a few other things sort of building up. But 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.080 it sounds like she's very keen to get back on 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.920 the court, you know, her happy place essentially, and use 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.000 that to help propel her through this and then get 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:19.600 onto the hardcourt. 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.640 Yeah, you know, we definitely hope she's doing better and 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.240 plays the grass. And I'm not sure about you, FITZI 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.800 but when you played, I'm sure there were some guys 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.960 where if you drew them at the French you almost 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.880 shake the hand and say, well you're. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.280 Much better than me, but yeah, too good. But then 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:35.960 you draw them. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.760 It was about. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.120 Yeah, you draw them a month later and you're licking 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.080 your lips and you're saying, is this is a good draw? 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.320 I think you know with all jurispeic Eager and Casper 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.160 are similar in that sense where you draw them at 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.240 the French and I'd shake the hands before walking out. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.120 But Casper is probably one of the better draws for 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.360 a seed on grass. I think you know that's probably 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:02.920 a fair comment. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:04.600 Have a titlet wimed. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:11.040 Right, yes, and I was just thinking she did. But yeah, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.200 his famous comment was the only grass that he likes. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.040 He's on a golf course. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.200 Sticking with you, Bret, I am moving to talk about 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.000 some women who had some wins this week. Firstly, I 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.480 wanted to chat about Naomi Osaka, who won in Saint Marlow. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.720 It was a w T a one two five event 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.680 and clay for hers, she considers her worst and last 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.520 year she was talking about I remember we talked about her, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.359 I think on the pod about how she's really focusing 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.320 on mastering it because she'd always considered it her worst 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.920 so first and she really really wanted to get there anyway. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.520 She won, and she put up some really great posts 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.600 on Instagram. She did some great tiktoks about how she 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.880 was eating it up and she was you know, it's 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.560 just really great to see. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.280 Her back well finally that she also had some kind 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.160 of struggle with mental health and that you know, a 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.840 couple of years ago and now look at her now. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.240 Yeah, and this is her first title in four years 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.800 since she's come back after her break from mental health 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.960 and having a baby. So I'm really excited to see 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.920 what she can do. She faces Palla Badoza in round 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.560 two at the Australian the Australian Open, the Adelian Open, 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.840 having just been in Sarah Rani. Not an easy drawer 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.400 with Bidoza, so we'll see what happens there. But the 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.120 other person I wanted to talk about was Petra Kaviteva, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.880 who is just back from having her baby and she 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.600 has won her first match as a mother, so that's 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.400 really great as well, and she says she's back for joy, 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.920 not results, and I think sometimes we've talked about this 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.320 lots of times. Sometimes when you're playing for. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.440 Fun, you get to get more results, come for the joy, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.240 tat the traffic home. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.200 So they're just two gowls I wanted to call out. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:54.840 I think it's really exciting. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.040 Two women out there. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.120 Absolutely love both of them. Yeah, you know, it's a 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.600 story of resilience when you can go through I think 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.400 what Naomi's been through and what a credit to her. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.600 That feeling of winning a tournament happens for most of 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:13.639 us very rarely at that level. It's you know, there 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.320 are only six times I didn't leave six times I 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.359 didn't leave the tournament as a loser in my career, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.680 and the in men's singles on the tour, so they're 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.000 very difficult to win. This will be a beautiful feeling 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.919 for a beautiful feeling, I would think for her to 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.480 win again, and especially on clay on clay, it might 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:39.000 give her a real I think kick along ter. I'm 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.920 not sure if she could ever become what she was before. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.280 I don't know, but great and give bit of a 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.840 two time win Wooden champion. Yeah, sometimes when you don't 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.320 expect to win and you don't actually put that as 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.000 your first priority you win a little easier, it can 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.960 happen mentally, so it'll be interesting to see where she goes. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.080 I've got to say a complete sidebar, but one of 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.560 my favorite things about tennis is that it's the only 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.679 sport where you literally get the rug pulled out and 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.560 the surfaces different. Like the NBA doesn't suddenly go from 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.359 hard floors to carpet. You don't see your right. But 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.240 it's really interesting part of the sport because hard caught, grass, clay, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.600 they are completely different things, and. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.120 It kind of changes the dynamic. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.600 He We've still got the same players, but that yeah, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.960 like you were saying, it really flips on its head. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.040 You know, this one he or she is going to 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.560 absolutely smash it. The French become Wimbledon lucky to get 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.200 through the first round. It's amazing. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.080 And the ball variation on a grass court and a 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.399 clay court is a great part I think of our sport. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.280 You know, if you have a perfect bounce, every time, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.159 there's room for a perfect bounce. You know, the US 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.879 and Aussie Open, we get a reasonably perfect bounce. Sometimes 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.520 they're a little lower or faster, but on the clay 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.840 and on the grass, there's deviation, yeah, and that's part 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.680 of learning how to how to play. It's I think 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.960 it's a great nuance for our sport. The change of surface. 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.480 Absolutely, it makes it completely different to any others even 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:05.400 other racket sports. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.680 The traveling component as well, and even I think Sasha's 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.439 where I've spoke about the difference in conditions for clay 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.199 on clay courts recently, and like he won Munich and 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.560 that's historically very heavy and slow courts and nice and 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.119 cold there, and then you've got a Madrid where it's 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.120 six hundred meters out toitude, balls flying around and top 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.760 to control and he's played well at both, so I 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.200 feel like that's yeah, it's even grass has obviously changed 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.040