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Speaker 1: As we heard yesterday, well, visitors have injected three billion

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Speaker 1: National and International Visitor Survey results. It's a forty two

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line to tell us more

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, a forty two percent increase, it sounds massive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to be realistic here about

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Speaker 2: that's why we have cracked that three billion dollar mark

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Speaker 2: our international market is simply not back yet. We're still

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Speaker 1: So why do you reckon it is, why do you

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking from seeing Japan, you know, I was over

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Speaker 1: So when you look at you know, the increase sort

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Speaker 2: Well, our dear friends in New South Wales, Victoria and

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Speaker 1: Now I know that quite a few of our tourism operators,

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Speaker 2: We have got some huge cruise ships. Is the briefings

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Speaker 1: Now. The word on the street, now I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've not exactly across that detail. I had been

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Speaker 1: And Duln, I agree with you, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the experience we want them to have here.

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Speaker 2: But we want people to have a great time. We

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we're going to talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll all be keeping a close eye on that, Minister.

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Speaker 2: but we will be putting those costs out prior to

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Speaker 2: my departure Katie next week. It's important that people have

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Speaker 2: that transparency. But what I want to assure them about

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Speaker 2: is that this is no junker. This year is six

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Speaker 2: where I've got meetings stacked from the start to the end.

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Speaker 2: And the economic flow through and benefits to actually getting

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Speaker 2: the northern territory in and getting more trade activity and

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Speaker 2: ties happening with India is very important. We are such

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Speaker 2: a smaller economy, we are an export economy. We need

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Speaker 2: more people. We need to build our trade tithes and

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Speaker 2: if we get that right with countries like India. We've

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Speaker 2: already got these strong relationships with Korea, Japan, the United States, China,

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Speaker 2: it's time for us to get into India. We've got

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Speaker 2: the rest of the country that is really prioritizing it.

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Speaker 2: It's making sure that we're doing our bit too.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we will expect to see well, we'll

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Speaker 1: expect to see some outcomes from that trip, but we'll

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Speaker 1: also expect to see those costings over the coming days hopefully.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Katie Minister.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time this morning. Deputy Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: and also Minister for Tourism and Hospitality Nicole Manison, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with us today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, Thank you.