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Speaker 2: But when you're in a rash or just can't be

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Speaker 2: bothered listening to them bleather on for half an hour.

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Speaker 3: He's got a very special guest on the show. He's

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Speaker 3: got a fascinating new TV show on your TV's tonight.

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Speaker 3: Mirror Mirror is tonight seven point thirty on Channel ten

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Speaker 3: and ten Player, and it is with the one and

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Speaker 3: only Todd Stepson.

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Speaker 1: Our next guest is a classic of rechiever.

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Speaker 3: He spent years holding his body.

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Speaker 1: And mind on his very successful TV show Body Hike.

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Speaker 3: Then he pushed his sensory limits and retrain my mind.

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Speaker 4: He's even kid bloody molteverest.

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Speaker 3: Is he today to talk about his new project, Mirror Mirror,

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Speaker 3: which isn't a remake of a dizzy movie.

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Speaker 4: It's actually a very serious look at body image, dissatisfaction, Mirror,

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Speaker 4: Mirror on the Wall.

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Speaker 3: Who is the fairest of them all? It's Todd Samson. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Todd.

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Speaker 4: How are you mate?

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Speaker 2: I already don't like that guy.

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Speaker 1: You might need to unpack that with the therapist.

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Speaker 4: Todd Samson, Yeah, did you have a look to unpack

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Speaker 4: with the therapist After mirror mirror, though after making the

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Speaker 4: show in a bit of a deep dive into Australia's

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Speaker 4: gluttony for cosmetic surgery, because it sounds like it's a

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Speaker 4: bit of a dark look at something which certainly gets

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Speaker 4: glossed up a little bit for all of us consumers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not so much of a dark look, I'd

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Speaker 2: like to think as much as it's an insightful look

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Speaker 2: behind the curtain, a curtain that I have stood behind

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Speaker 2: for a very long time, so it's something I know

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Speaker 2: really well. Body image dissatisfaction is a global societal crisis.

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Speaker 2: I mean everyone is dissatisfied with their body to some

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Speaker 2: degree and more on a spectrum, and this show explores

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Speaker 2: the things we can do about it, the things we

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Speaker 2: can do with our kids, and how social media and

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Speaker 2: advertising is affecting that.

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Speaker 3: When you said you've been behind it, that's obviously because

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Speaker 3: you worked as an advertising and marketing He's set for

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Speaker 3: a long time. So you, I mean, for one of

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Speaker 3: them a word, you probably prayed on the fact that

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Speaker 3: people had these insecurities in order to sell a lot

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Speaker 3: of products. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean on some levels absolutely. I mean the

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Speaker 2: industry in its own right does that because the way

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Speaker 2: it works. I probably learned more from doing readings on

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Speaker 2: my brain than from the advertising industry when it comes

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Speaker 2: to this. But the way that the brain works is

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Speaker 2: it's plastic, it's metaphorically plastic, and it's constantly adapting to

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Speaker 2: the world around it, and it changes based on what

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Speaker 2: we see. So if we surround ourselves as we do

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Speaker 2: today in today's social media world with idealized images, photoshopped images,

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Speaker 2: perfect bodies, perfect faces, perfectly symmetrical, it rewires our brain

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Speaker 2: to believe that that's the norm and that we're different

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Speaker 2: where the outlers and then advertising takes advantage of that

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Speaker 2: glitch and says, okay, but if you want that ideal,

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Speaker 2: by this product and it can help you get that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you speak to Todd is a nurse called

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Speaker 1: Tara Jane McConaughey, mcconachey, the fancy correctly. But her desire

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Speaker 1: is to look like an Instagram filter. Like that's the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, She's an amazing, beautiful, articulate young woman who's on

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Speaker 2: she's on that scale you know, of body image dissatisfaction,

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Speaker 2: and she has decided to model herself off a Barbie doll,

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Speaker 2: and she's doing it relatively consciously. In fact, she recently

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Speaker 2: an incredible story and it's one that's easy to judge

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Speaker 2: hear her story, I think it may change a few minds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like some really fascinating stuff in there.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about this up next. You

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Speaker 3: guys can see Mirror Mirror, which airs tonight on seven thirty,

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to hear what that answer is right

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Speaker 3: up next. I think it's going to be particularly terrifying

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people. Mirror Mirror is Todd Sampson's

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Speaker 3: brand new two part documentary series in investigating body image

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Speaker 3: and the negative effects it has on people and all

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Speaker 3: the surgeries and everything that.

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Speaker 2: Go behind it.

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Speaker 3: It looks totally wild. It is on tonight, Wednesday and

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Speaker 3: Thursday at seven thirty on Channel ten and ten played

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Speaker 3: Todd joins Us Right Now and Todd You reckon It

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Speaker 3: could be a bit a bit hot for the seven

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Speaker 2: I actually think it's it's highly questionable at seven thirty.

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Speaker 2: I think the you know, the switchboard at ten is

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Speaker 3: This because it's right. Okay, yes, and.

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Speaker 2: The show should be shown to children. It shocking and

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Speaker 2: it needs parental guidance. Yeah, it should be shown to

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Speaker 3: And because you're showing all the surgeries, like, you're showing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we made a conscious decision to say, okay,

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Speaker 2: So we just made a decision to say, okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: around them. There's a lot of idealizing around them. We're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really do love that, Todd. And also

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Speaker 1: when you say you know a bit hot for seven thirty,

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Speaker 1: you also speak to someone that our listeners may know,

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Speaker 1: former MAP star Hayley Vernon, who has gone to Only Fans,

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Speaker 1: and she talks a bit about, you know, being on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so call me a prude. I hadn't really

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Speaker 3: With the kids today, right, yes, yes, and.

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Speaker 2: Your influence pay and that they pay a lot. Haley

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Speaker 2: Vernon earns thirty thousand dollars a month to do pornography.

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Speaker 2: Show up. It's meant to be a shoot, and I'm thinking, okay,

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Speaker 2: Now here's the downside of the sexualized imagery. The average

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Speaker 3: Your Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: And most of this by accident. Oh they're on porn

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually heard Todd that some adolescent kids and

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Speaker 1: And as you said, Todd, that's just not the way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's absolutely true yourself. I mean, yeah, no exactly.

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Speaker 3: To her and while she's doing it, you.

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Speaker 2: Firstly, I just want to comment on the grim because

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Speaker 1: Great advice, great advice.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, is be like trying to pry a

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Speaker 2: You're so right, And then for a lot of parents,

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Speaker 1: I've seen a young girl. I've done that, any young

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Speaker 3: Him. Thanks so much for joining us. As you said,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that even so, the content and

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Speaker 3: you've done really well. Brand new TV doco starring the

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Speaker 3: Man Who has been described as Bear Grylls, Louis Through

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Speaker 3: and Brian Cox's love child. Todd Sampson Mirror Mirror airs

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Speaker 3: Wednesday and Thursday. It's Tonight seven thirty on Channel ten

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Speaker 3: and ten Play.

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Speaker 2: To Really Hate That Guy? Thanks for joining, mate, say Light,

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Speaker 2: Good luck with the show him.

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Speaker 4: More of the boys on the full Show podcast You

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