1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Torber and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: and Sophie. On today's show, Sarah's day is contemplating launching 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel for her three year old son, Martha Califatitis, 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and Michael Brunelli's fiery argument over a sandwich. We discuss 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: those Rhyese Hawkins and London breakup rumors. So from Barker 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: opens up about her rumored romance with Love Island's Luca 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: and Tammy Hembroke makes us eat our own words. But 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: first news dot com dot au is reporting we have 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: a new co host now. It was very unexpected news, 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: even to us, because apparently Sophie Kasha is now a 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: host of our show. And as someone said, if you 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: can't beat them, join them exactly now. In the news 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: article in question, news dot com wrote about how Mitch 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Orvill and Chloe Zep's takeaway store had closed down and 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: quoted our podcast as a source. However, they said Sophie 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Kaysha said the quote rather than Sophie myself. But I 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: feel like It is quite confusing because doesn't Sophie Kaisha 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: also have two sisters called Kate and Amy or is 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: it just Amy? No, there's definitely one called Kate because 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: she was on Survival with Sophie, and I have heard 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: there is an Amy too, so clearly, I mean she's 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: around our age. I think Kate, Amy and Sophie were 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: pretty popular names in the late eighties early nineties. And 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: isn't her dad the ex Crow's coach or something? Ye connections. 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the universe telling us that there should 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: be some sort of beautiful connection between her. Maybe I 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: think not, but I don't think she would think that either. Well, 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: how do you guys think that Sophie Kaisha would go 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: hosting Outspoken? I think she'd be pretty savage on there, 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: to be honest, I think she'd do okay. I feel 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: like she'd be a really interesting fourth host because sometimes 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: people say we have the same opinions, So adding Sophie 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: Kesha in the mix this could be a good thing 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: for the podcast. I feel like there'd be a lot 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: of debate. Yeah, and she provide a lot of insights 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: and perspective I mean into her own life. But I 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: suppose she's friends with a lot of influencers, So maybe, Sophie, 40 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: if you're listening, did you want to have her maybe 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: a little go at hosting. It's kind of sounding time gig. 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: It's kind of sounding more and more like this should 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: actually be a thing. Tell us what you think in 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: our Facebook group. 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: I always wondered would one of my kids want to 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: be a YouTuber or just like want to have a 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: YouTube channel? And at the right page of three, it 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: has happened. 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day and her husband Kurt Till say they're considering 50 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: starting up a YouTube channel for their three year old 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: son Fox, So can you tell us more well? During 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: an episode of their podcast, The Health Code Daily, Sarah 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: told her listeners she wanted to talk about something she's 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: been thinking about for quite a while. She said she's 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: always wondered if one of her kids would want to 56 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: be a YouTuber or have a YouTube channel. She continued 57 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: that at the ripe age of three, her son Fox 58 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: had told them he would like to start his own 59 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: cooking channel. Now, regular viewers of Sarah's channel will know 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: that she often does cook with her son Fox. The 61 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: couple then debated back and forth whether they would make 62 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: him his own channel. Sarah seemed a little bit unsure, 63 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: whereas Kurt said, I think we should just make him 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: his own whatever. Don't pressure him to be in front 65 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: of the camera. Just let him do it and we 66 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: can look back on it. He then continued saying, I 67 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: think it's healthy for kids to do it. We live 68 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: in a world of content now. You can't escape it now. 69 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Sarah said her major concern about Fox starting his own 70 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: channel were trolls, and perhaps the solution would be not 71 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: having comments allowed under Fox's videos. Sarah and Kurt then 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: joked that Fox loves watching himself back on camera and 73 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: said he's always asking them if he can film his 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: own videos. Here's more of what Sarah and Kurt said 75 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: about the channel. 76 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: I guess it's up to us to manage it and 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: like protect him from what he's consuming, what he's creating, 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: and make sure I just want to ensure with all 79 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: my kids that they're creating content per se that's just fun, 80 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, like it's like them and their friends having fun. 81 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: Just be creative and don't do it for likes. I'm 82 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: going to like turn off. 83 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about it, and I was pretty 84 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: shocked when I heard all of this because wouldn't a 85 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: simple fix just be to make Fox his own private 86 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: channel and upload videos if he wants to on that 87 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: that he and his family can watch in privacy. Like, 88 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: what is the need for it to be public because 89 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: he's obviously going to have an inbuilt audience all of 90 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, because all of Sarah's follows will go over 91 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: and give him a follow. And I just don't get 92 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: it because it's sort of contradictory. They're saying that they're 93 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: worried about him being trolled, but he has been on 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: Sarah's channel since he bloody came out of her vagina, 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: So do you know what I mean? He's going to 96 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: be trolled regardless, which is so sad. I'd also be 97 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: more concerned about pedophiles on the Internet rather than trolls, 98 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: because these kind of videos would be the type of 99 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: content that pedophiles go out to view. Yeah, well, the 100 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: whole thing is if you think about the psychology of it. 101 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: Fox has learned from an early age that whenever Sarah 102 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: or Kurt has a camera in their hand, he's getting attention. 103 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: So he's learned that it's a bit of a performance. 104 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: There's a way for him to get attent laughs out 105 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: of his mum and dad. So I can understand why 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: he would want to do it. As you say, Kate, 107 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: there's no harm in him actually filming it, but why 108 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: do you have to upload it to a public platform. 109 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: The thing is, our mum and dad always had a 110 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: video camera out. They'd film us opening our Christmas presents, 111 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: and we have so many cool family home videos, but 112 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: we watch them just on our TV. We would be like, 113 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: can we put a video on and watch it? Why 114 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: do they need to be uploaded to the mainstream public. 115 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: I just don't understand, and personally, I wouldn't want that 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: content of me out there now that I'm older. The 117 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: thing I also don't understand is a couple of months ago, 118 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Sarah said that she doesn't want to use her kids 119 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: as content in her YouTube videos and felt uncomfortable about 120 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: the idea. So I do find it odd for her 121 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: to bring up the fact that she is considering making 122 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: her son a YouTube channel, particularly because she does face 123 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: a lot of trolling. And there's also this idea that 124 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: parents who push their children to be actors, for instance 125 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: child actors, or push their kids to be famous online. 126 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: There is an exploitative nature, and it just doesn't sit 127 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: well with me that parents are potentially forcing their children 128 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: online to make money and brand is out of it. 129 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not necessary. I'm not saying that they're 130 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: doing that, but there's plenty of parents who are making 131 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: a shit ton of money off their kids on YouTube. 132 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: I wonder though, because there has been a lot of 133 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: talk about Sarah's new cookbook coming out for Christmas. I 134 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: wonder if she's wanting to do something that's you know, 135 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Fox's cookbook for kids, or I wonder if there's I mean, 136 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: they could just be wanting to do it for fun, 137 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: but it does make me think is there something more 138 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: to it? 139 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 140 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Will kids YouTube accounts are big business, and what particularly 141 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: is popular with young kids is unboxing toys, and I 142 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: was quite shocked to discover how much children YouTubers were 143 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: actually making. So an American child YouTuber called Ryan he 144 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: was just five years old when he started his channel 145 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: back in twenty eighteen. He is nine years old now 146 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: and he has thirty two million subscribers that follow his channel, 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: and he's made a whopping thirty million dollars each year. 148 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: It is insane, and one of his videos called Huge 149 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Egg Surprise Toy Challenge has over two billion views. So 150 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: he does a lot of reviews on toys as well 151 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: as do it yourself science experiments and prank video So 152 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: it seems like those sort of niches really work well 153 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: with children. So you can see how would do it 154 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: Yourself Kid's cooking channel could be really lucrative for Sarah 155 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: and Kerk. And when you hear of these kind of stories, though, 156 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: you think, well, do the positive outcomes outweigh the negatives? 157 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: Because his kid, he is set up for life. However, 158 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: it makes me a bit concerned because he's only nine. 159 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: He's got that many people following that much money. What's 160 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: next and whose money is it? Because if you're nine 161 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: years old, you're not getting the thirty million dollars into 162 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: your bank account. And I think that then brings up 163 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: another awkward element to other parents just living off this 164 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: kid's cash and exploiting him. Yeah, but we've also got 165 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: to remember this child is the most successful YouTube child. 166 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: There's so many kids who would have tried and failed. 167 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: But also the psychology that comes into it too. What 168 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: if your child starts an account and it's a flop 169 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: and no one's interested in it. There's also that plays 170 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: out in my mind as well, well, what happens when 171 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: they start going through puberty and they're no longer cute 172 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: and no one wants to see them talking about toys 173 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: and they get bullied. But is it necessarily that the 174 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: parents always exploiting them? Because there are so many young 175 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: kids who watch YouTube channels and they see it and 176 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: they want to do it themselves, and they want to 177 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: do it for fun. I don't think all parents are 178 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: exploiting their children, but I think when you're three years old, 179 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: you don't really understand it yourself. Your parents could tell 180 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: you what it's on YouTube and you believe it. You 181 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: don't have to have a public account. And I am 182 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: just blown away at how young some of these children 183 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: YouTubers are and it reminds me very much of the 184 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: concept of child actors. And it's quite interesting because in 185 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: YouTube's terms and conditions it says a child must be 186 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: at least thirteen years old to use the service. However, 187 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: children of all ages may be on YouTube if they 188 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: have permission from their parents or a guardian. So that's 189 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: obviously how kids get around it. And for those who 190 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: haven't heard of it before. YouTube has launched a YouTube 191 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: kid's channel and what's sort of more of an app, 192 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: and it's targeted towards children. So on there they have 193 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: TV shows, music, educational videos and also the normal sort 194 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: of user generated content, but a lot of it is 195 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: made by children, so there is a very lucrative market there. 196 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: It is I mean, they created that because kids were 197 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: going on YouTube, and they were going on different prank channels, 198 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: and then they were getting served all this inappropriate contents. 199 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: The whole thing to me is really perplexing because, as 200 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: you touched on earlier, so Sarah has made a big 201 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: deal about that she doesn't want her channel to be 202 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: a family channel or her kids to be a big 203 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: feature of her videos. But then at the end of 204 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: this podcast episode she basically promoted the fact that Fox 205 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: would be still cooking on her channel and to go 206 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: and subscribe there so that they could see him. They're 207 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: gonna give you a nose. Saffron Barker has finally addressed 208 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: rumors about her past relationship with Love Island UK contestant 209 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: Luca bitsh Amy what if she told her followers well 210 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: in a recent YouTube video with her mum entitled Let's 211 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: talk Hot Topics with mum. Saffron cleverly touched on the 212 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: Luca rumors, but in a roundabout way. So for those 213 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: who haven't heard, Saffron and Luca previously dated last year, 214 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: so this was actually confirmed by Luca before he went 215 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: into the Love Island villa, and the rumor mill has 216 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: been an overdrive that Luca apparently cheated on his girlfriend 217 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: of four years, Sophie Floyd, with Saffron. Questions have also 218 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,359 Speaker 1: been raised about whether Saffron's relationship with her then boyfriend 219 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: Tyler crossed over with her romance with Luca. So in 220 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: this video, Saffron started to tell her mum Wendy about 221 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the TikTok trend of rating men. When Wendy said this. 222 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Honestly, TikTok gets on my note. People on TikTok I 223 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: think they know everything, don't they The amount of TikTok 224 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: so I was seen about you recently and what you 225 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: haven't done. Honestly, it's like, oh, she cheerd on him 226 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 3: and he chet and it's like, no, she didn't know. 227 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: He didn't, None of them didn't. They're like, I know, 228 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: and you kin't a comfort to answer. People just get 229 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: on with it, But how do you know me? And 230 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: if you don't know any of these people and you're 231 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: not in their lives, how do you know? Like people 232 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: think they know and any people are going, oh my god, 233 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: did that happen? 234 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: Very? 235 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: But you know that he sounds very Let me know 236 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: when people go, oh my gosh, is that actually happened? 237 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: Oh I think you said crazy. I don't know them, 238 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: no information about them, the first reason true, and secondly 239 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: they don't know anyway, like, oh shut up you absolutely honestly, 240 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: I think that isn't one thing about tiktook. 241 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: It's the best app to start a rumor, like it's 242 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: so easy to blow up on TikTok. 243 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: It is frustrating. 244 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: But anyways, it's total from one hundred years ago. Is 245 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: this proves that you've done well? And it's like, oh, 246 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: shut up, honestly, you don't know anything, like just shut up, 247 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 3: and it's not do you know what? Just one more thing. 248 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: The people that make these tictaks are fast enough, but 249 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 3: it's the people that believe them. And I'm like, hello, 250 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: is anybody in there? 251 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: So it's quite clear Wendy is referring to the countless 252 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: tiktoks going around which touch on those cheating rumors. What 253 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: did you guys think about Wendy's comments. Well, first, I 254 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: thought it was a little bit awkward because I think 255 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: one of our videos on TikTok is the number one 256 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: trending video on that topic, so I love Saffron bike. 257 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: I felt a bit awkward about her kind of it's 258 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: so many tiktoks and there are so many that are 259 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: so personal that are like, I know for a fact 260 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: that she cheated, but you know when you feel it's 261 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: a bit kind of at a distance when they're in 262 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: the UK, that they're not going to hear what you 263 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: say anyway. But overall, I think it was a clever 264 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: way for Wendy and Saffron to address the cheating rumors 265 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: and also to deny them without actually having to specifically 266 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: touch on them, because there would be people who do 267 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: follow Saffron that wouldn't have heard the rumors, so she 268 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: doesn't want to bring them up again and make them 269 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: out to be fat. Well, I wondered if they hadn't 270 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: specifically addressed them because there has been press about the 271 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: cheating rumors, so it's kind of harder for them to 272 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: quote Wendy about it, and also I thought using Wendy 273 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: was pretty good in evoking some sympathy because it just 274 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: reminded you how young Saffron actually is to have her 275 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: mum defending her on YouTube. And I do really like Wendy, 276 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: so when I heard her speaking about it, I thought, well, 277 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: maybe she's telling the truth. Sounds a bit genuine. Maybe 278 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: there wasn't any cheating going on. The thing is I 279 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: think if you can clickbait that you're addressing these rumors 280 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be talking about Luca and Love Ireland, 281 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: you should actually address them yourself. I don't know why 282 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: she got her mum to do it, because she kept 283 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: being like, no, mum, don't say that. That's a bit aggressive, 284 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: but it's kind of clear that that's how she thought 285 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: about them, but she was trying to save face a 286 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: little bit. I did find it kind of cute how 287 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: Saffron mentioned that she and her mum sat down to 288 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: watch Love Island and the mum was a bit taken 289 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: back by all of the sex talk, and I couldn't 290 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: help but feel awkward, because can you imagine watching your 291 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: ex partner on Love Island talking about getting with all 292 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: these girls and having your parents watching with you. I 293 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: wondered if there was episodes of Love Island that weren't 294 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: airing in Australia when they spoke about the sex talk, 295 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: because I can't really think of episodes where they have. 296 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: It might be the unseen bits. He wasn't he talking 297 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: to Paige about his favorite sex position at the start? 298 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they also have all of those games as 299 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: well where they dropped details about their sex lives. I 300 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: did love when Wendy touched on her love for Davi 301 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: day because I could relate to this. Let's have a 302 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: listen to what Wendy said. 303 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: Oh, I think he needs to know with a lady, 304 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: that's what we need. 305 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: David A does seem to be incredibly popular in the UK, 306 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: and also the fact that he is now coupled up 307 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: with Eck and Sue again, they are actually a power couple. 308 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they get in the top two. 309 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: Made a ruin it. So if I haven't caught up, 310 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: well I'm sorry. You've got to keep up with this show. 311 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: I feel like eckin Sue's one of those people that 312 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: people either love or hate, but even if you hate her, 313 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: you still want her on the show because she adds 314 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: so much to it. I did enjoy in this video. 315 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Just back to Saffron, where Wendy suggested that she should 316 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: film a video where she gives her opinion and each contestant, 317 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: because Saffron looked so sheepish sitting next to Wendy Well. 318 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Saffron said that she didn't want to give her opinion 319 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: on all of the islanders because she knows how edited 320 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: the show is. And she said that the show can 321 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: obviously show the worst sides of someone and also the 322 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: best sides of someone. And she said that obviously, living 323 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: in the UK, she's gone to the same sort of 324 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: events as previous Love Island contestants, and the Love Islanders 325 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: that she thought would be really lovely and were portrayed 326 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: really nice on the show were actually dickheads in real life, 327 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: which actually didn't call them dickheads, but she said was 328 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: she inferred it was a clear dig at Luca, because 329 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Luca is one of the favorites on the show, and 330 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: she's trying to say without saying it, that he isn't 331 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: as nice as he's coming. Do you think that's true 332 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: at all? Because she's actually thrown her support behind Luca. 333 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: When he announced that he was on the show, she 334 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: wrote to him, wishing you all the best. I actually 335 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: reckon that she's touching perhaps someone on like Molly may 336 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: or Moura or I'm trying to think of the previous contestant. 337 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: YouTube said Luca's really lovely, there's no way, but she's 338 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: not lu in tracks, She's not. She was touching on 339 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: previous love either contestants who've obviously done really well for 340 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: themselves since coming off the show and probably are quite 341 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: arrogant or not that nice. 342 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 343 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: I told sorry, if your ex boyfriend was on Love 344 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: Island and he was the favorite and he's, you know, 345 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: in a romance with some multi millionaire girl, I wouldn't 346 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: be sitting back with my mum and dad pleased about it. 347 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: You'd have to say, oh no, yeah, they're all really nice, 348 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Luca's really nice. Talk and then make a shot between 349 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: the lines. She's talking about Ex Island and she's not 350 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: talking about Luca. I disagree. 351 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: You think about the guys like, if you have a 352 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: partner and you guys are in love, which men in 353 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: London very much in love, they're going to go into 354 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: bat for you no matter what whether you're wrong or right. 355 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: I was wrong. 356 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: She was gone into bat for me. 357 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: Rumors are swirling that Reese Hawkins and London Gowen have 358 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: ended their marriage, but before we get into it, so 359 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to get listeners up to 360 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: speed with a relationship timeline. 361 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 362 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: Well, for those who don't know, Reese Hawkins is fitness 363 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: influencer Tammy Hembrose, former fiance and baby daddy to Wolf 364 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: and Saskia. 365 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: Now. 366 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: The couple broke the internet in June twenty eighteen when 367 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: Tammy announced on her YouTube video that they broke up, 368 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: and it was a fairly tumultuous split, with both Tammy 369 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: and Reese making remarks about one another on social media. 370 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: There was a war of words over a range rover 371 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: and also arguments over Tammy's desire during their relationship to 372 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: relocate to the US. Now fast forward four months from 373 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: the breakup and London officially came on the scene and 374 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: the media and fans went crazy over their new relationship, 375 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: with many trying to dig up anything about the twenty 376 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: year old that they could find. Publications reported about London's 377 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: supposed obsession with Tammy and Reese's family. So two months 378 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: before announcing their split. It was pretty awkward because London 379 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: left a comment under a photo of Tammy and her 380 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: two kids saying, such a babe, obsessed with your little 381 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: family and of course so awkward. Everyone had a field 382 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: day over it. Now a little over a year later, 383 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: Rees Scott London's name tattooed on his wrist, and then 384 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: in August twenty twenty, the couple announced they were engaged. 385 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: So Reese proposed in Port Douglas with a Tiffany's cushion 386 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: cut halo ring, which was estimated to cost twenty six 387 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. A few weeks later, the couple announced they 388 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: were expecting their first child together, and four months after that, 389 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: they announced that they secretly tied the knot. So Reese 390 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: let the cat out of the bag by casually referring 391 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: to London as his wife on Instagram. He said that 392 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: they would be having a larger wedding after the pandemic. Then, 393 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: of course, in March twenty twenty one, they welcomed their son, 394 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: who is controversially named Stone. So what has happened this 395 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: week is that Influenza Updates first raised the alarm that 396 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: something was up between the couple, So the page wrote, 397 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: it appears Reefs and London have broken up. London no 398 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: longer wears her engagement ring, and they haven't liked each 399 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: other's Insta posts in a few weeks. Very abnormal behavior 400 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: for them. 401 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 3: Now. 402 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: This led me to go on a deep dive into 403 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: their accounts, and firstly I can confirm the couple are 404 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: still following one another. However, they haven't been pictured together 405 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: on social media since they traveled to Mexico with their 406 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: son Stone back in March. So the twenty eighth of 407 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: April was the last time we saw London wearing her 408 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: ring on her Instagram feed. She has since posted four 409 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: photos ring free, all of which Recas has not liked. 410 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: She also returned the favor and hasn't liked any of 411 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Raese's last five posts. Now it's pretty awkward because London 412 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: is still back home in the US with her son's Stone, 413 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: while Reese is currently on what he describes as a 414 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: working trip in Italy. He recently put up a post 415 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: saying he's never felt better and he can't wait to 416 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: show his followers what he's been working on. Well, listeners 417 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: will remember that back in May, Reese was also in 418 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: Australia visiting the kids he shares with Tammy, and London 419 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: didn't appear to be in Australia, so it's all very interesting. 420 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: There's been no comment yet from London or Reese. I 421 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: think the most shocked person was our mum last night 422 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: when we told her about the split. I love it. 423 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: She's like, not London and Reese. I don't even know 424 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: if she knew how they were. I mean, she is 425 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: an avid listener of the post. She was like, that's 426 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: really upsetting. They've got a kid together. It's very sweet. 427 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: I just loved all of our partners faces because one 428 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: they had no idea who we were talking about, and 429 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: just loved the fact that mum knew these people like 430 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: they're full names. Well, gu going back to the whole 431 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: drama and the whole tit for tat on social media. 432 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: I was looking at London's page today on on an 433 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: Instagram story. I feel like she's purposely trying to include 434 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: her hands in every photo. It's kind of like the 435 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: opposite of when people get engaged and they try and 436 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: put their hand everywhere. How weird would it be though, 437 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: if London was actually a huge fan of Tammy and 438 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: Reese and the family to then have a baby with 439 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: Reese and now be experiencing probably what Tammy experiences break up. 440 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: They might become great friends, you know, when the axes 441 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: kind of come together. Yeah, And the timing's not great 442 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: because obviously Tammy has had her baby with Matt Paul 443 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: and all eyes are kind of on the Hembros and 444 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: anyone associated with them. So yeah, I feel like maybe 445 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: she is trying to drop those subliminal messages that they 446 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: have broken up to try and get in on some 447 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: of the attention. 448 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 3: I am in labor. 449 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: Contractions are coming hard and fast already. 450 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm about to jump in the shower before the next 451 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: one starts because they already quite Man, we do need 452 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: a give an update on Tammy Hambro. On Monday, we 453 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: discussed how we didn't think her one week postpart in 454 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: mirror selfie did any harm, as she didn't plug her 455 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: fitness program or say anything about her phy zeke. It 456 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: seems like we spoke too soon, because a day after 457 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: our episode dropped, Tammy uploaded another mirror selfie to her story, 458 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: promoting her fitness app. Now our inbox was absolutely flooded 459 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: by this post, so in the Instagram story, she wrote, 460 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: twelve days postpartum. Grateful I was able to stay active 461 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: this entire pregnancy with my Tammy Fit app. Yes there's 462 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: a pregnancy program also focused on a lot of pregnancy 463 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: safe call work during this pregnancy than my last two. 464 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: She then added a link to her fitness program. So 465 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: on Thursday, she added a post to her Instagram feed 466 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: which was a video where she rolled down her leggings 467 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: to show her stomach. She captured the post twelve days postpartum. 468 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: I stayed active as possible before and during my pregnancy 469 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: on my Tammy Broke fitness programs. I honestly feel like 470 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: my core was at its best in my whole life 471 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: just before I fell pregnant with Posey. So I'm excited 472 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: to see what I can do this time around after 473 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: baby number three. Can't wait to get back into some 474 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: hard and heavy Tammy Fit at six weeks PSA. Every 475 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: other's postpartum journey is different. Please do not be hard 476 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: on yourself or compare yourself to others. We all have 477 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: different genes, different lifestyles, different circumstances, etc. That being said, 478 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: I work and have worked extremely hard and want nothing 479 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: more to motivate and inspire you. It was quite funny 480 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: because I noticed Tammy's brand SASKI commented this with two 481 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: clapping hands, and then the Tammy Hambro fitness account wrote 482 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: in cred with too love arts. Is this because there 483 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: weren't many other positive comments on there? Look, there was 484 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: a mixture, and I think it's safe to say it 485 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: has been pretty disheartening seeing these posts because it makes 486 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: me feel really sad that just a week after giving 487 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: birth there's already such a focus on quote unquote bouncing 488 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: back and Tammy's pH z can. I think it is 489 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: actually going to have quite a negative impact on new 490 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: mum So I'm sending all those new mums love that 491 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: have been impacted by this type of posting. And I 492 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 1: do understand it's her brand and her business, but I 493 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: personally think that this is a bit of a bad 494 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: branding move. I think Steph Claire Smith was a really 495 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: good example of someone who has a fitness app but 496 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: didn't push this bounce back culture because Kick released a 497 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: pregnancy program, but the focus was never on bouncing back 498 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: or Steph's. For Zeke, it was about sort of getting 499 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: back into the fitness that you enjoy so I think 500 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: that messaging was a lot more helpful. And I've got 501 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: to say I find it really interesting the way that 502 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: people were perceiving this post, because while there has been 503 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: some negative comments, I feel like a lot more have 504 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: been positive. And when you compare that to the response 505 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: that Sarah's Day got for essentially pushing the same sort 506 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: of messaging around her fitness program and her body, it's 507 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: quite surprising. I reckon it's almost because Tammy just owned it. 508 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: She didn't try and put up photos of her self 509 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: pretending that she had an overhanging stomach or crouching in 510 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: weird positions. I think with Sarah, her messaging is just 511 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: so mixed. I think she kind of doesn't. You can 512 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: see that she's trying to say the right thing or 513 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: do the right thing, but then doing the oy. Yeah, 514 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: And I think people just think it all comes across 515 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: as a bit muddled and hypocritical. I think that's what 516 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: people have an issue with. People can read between the line. Yeah. 517 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: I also think it's because Sarah's had so many controversies 518 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: that rather than giving her the benefit of the doubt, 519 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: which I think people have tried to do with Tammy, 520 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: people jump on the defense. Now we can't talk about 521 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: Tammy without mentioning her birth flog. So this video went 522 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: for ten minutes and was entitled Posey's Real and Raw 523 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: Birth My BVAC two and I think this vlog definitely 524 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: lived up to the title. Oh my God. The screaming 525 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: was literally next level. My friend and I were watching 526 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: this in the office at work and we kept having 527 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: to pause the video to make comments because it was 528 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: quite incredible. I found it quite funny because Tammy. For 529 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: those who haven't seen it, the vlog starts off with 530 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: Tammy going into and she spent a lot of time 531 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: at home in the shower, and then her sisters Emily 532 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: and Amy drove her to the hospital with Matt and 533 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: a lot of the vlog is then walking through the 534 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: car park and Emily is basically narrating what's going on 535 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: and how Tammy's feeling and that she's doing a good job, 536 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: and then literally Tammy's just in the corner looking like 537 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: she's in the worst pain of her life that she 538 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be filmed. It's quite hilarious now looking 539 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: back on. 540 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: It, as I'm going to pay Martha walked in at 541 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: that moment. 542 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: Yes, babe, that is true. I'm gonna tell this story 543 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: because honestly, give me the head fight. 544 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: Can you hear her? Yeah? Yeah, yet she wants the 545 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: micod on Okay, this podcast has been hijacked. Nearly Engaged 546 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: Math's couple Martha Califatitas and Michael Brunelli, gave a refreshing 547 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: insight into their holiday fights on the Handbags podcast. The 548 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: pair have been traveling around Europe for the last few 549 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: months and aren't shy to document their arguments, particularly on 550 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: TikTok Kate. What was this fight over? This time? While 551 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: it was actually over a sandwich and listening to Martha 552 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: talk about this sandwich, I literally just want to fly 553 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: to Easaly to try it because it sounded so delicious. 554 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: So there is a sandwich shop in Florence that Martha 555 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: loves and she'd been waiting to take Michael there for 556 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: a long time. So Martha needed to go to the 557 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: toilet before they ate, so she left Michael out the 558 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: front of the sandwich shop. And apparently the shop is 559 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: a really authentic Italian store. It's very small and it 560 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: only fits around three to four people, as well as 561 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: the guy working behind the counter. Now Michael said, he 562 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: decided he may as well go inside and order because 563 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: he was feeling really hungry, and he decided that he 564 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: would get two sandwiches and then he would let Martha 565 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: decide whether she wanted one of his or that she 566 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: could order her own. Now, Michael claimed there was a 567 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: process to ordering, which made me think the store was 568 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: very much like the soup Nazi in Seinfeldt. So apparently, 569 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: once you order, the guy starts making your sandwich, and 570 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: then halfway through the process he then takes the payment. 571 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: It was at this point that Martha butted into the 572 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: podcast recording because she was so irate at Michael's storytelling. 573 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: She said it was very inaccurate. She went on to 574 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: say that she left Michael to go to the toilet 575 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: and there was no way she thought he would ever 576 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: order without her. Martha said she then walked into the 577 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: shop and Michael was at the front counter with two 578 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: bottles of water, and the guy was still serving other 579 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: people their sandwiches, and while she was standing there with Michael, 580 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: the server asked if he was ready to pay, and 581 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: she jumped in and said, can I add a sandwich 582 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: to the order? So Michael was then like no, no, no, 583 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to push in front of these people 584 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: behind you. Now Martha was shocked as she believed she 585 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: wasn't pushing in because she was with him, and she 586 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: was so enraged she told Michael to go find himself 587 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: and stormed out of the shop. Now, the funniest bit 588 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: is she actually refused to get a sandwich even though 589 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: she loves them, and ended up eating sushi for lunch. Yeah. 590 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: I love the way she was like, Nah, you've ruined 591 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: it for me. I feel like I played that game 592 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: a bit when I don't even want it anymore. Yeah, 593 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: and she waited for me Michael to eat every bit 594 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: of the sandwich before saying that she wanted to buy. 595 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: After traveling Europe with my partner, I can actually see 596 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: how this sort of argument would happen. I feel like 597 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: boys get really, really angry, like hungrier than girls. And 598 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: this is why Michael would have ordered himself two sandwiches 599 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: right away, when really he should have waited for Martha 600 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: to order. No, but he did say that he initially 601 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: ordered two sandwiches, one for him and one for Martha, 602 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: and that if Martha didn't like his choice, he would 603 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: just eat it. I didn't believe that. I felt like 604 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: he went and ordered two sandwiches for himself because he 605 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: was starving. I have been in those situations where whoever 606 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: you're with, whether it's a partner or a friend, you 607 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: do feel awkward about the way that they are conversing 608 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: with a person at the shop, Like sometimes Mom, I 609 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: don't know, like when you know, as a teenager, when 610 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: your mom would say something embarrassing to the shop. See, 611 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I've got to be extra nice 612 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: because Dale can come across as not grumpy, but like 613 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: not stand offish. You know, when you're used to being 614 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: like really polite people at the shops and you'd be like, oh, 615 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: thank you, and you have to kind of step in 616 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: and be extra smiling. It's the opposite. I kind of 617 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: think Martha was in her rights to join the queue, 618 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: and I don't think she was pushing in in front 619 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: of the other people. Like if your partner's in a 620 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: line and he was meant to be waiting for you 621 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: and you're just adding a sandwich to the order, I 622 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that's pushing in. I love the way 623 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: that Michael cared what the other people in the line thought, 624 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: so then Martha left by saying, go fuck yourself. That's 625 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: whybly why she didn't go back and get her Sam Weird. 626 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: I actually feel like it too embarrassed. Having been to Italy, 627 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: I feel like there'd be nothing wrong with her actually 628 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: joining Michael in line. I think when you're overseas, it 629 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: kind of becomes you as a couple against the other people. 630 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: So I can see why she was offended that Michael 631 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: didn't let her cut in line. It's hilarious because also 632 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: in this podcast episode they spoke about how they had 633 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: this huge argument on a train, so onward there was 634 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: this pushing back and forward of this luggage that was 635 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: moving them in opposite directions. Michaels the floor. Yeah, yeah, 636 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: because he shoved the bag already. Can they have their own? 637 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: But it was funny around Europe. Yeah, But it was 638 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: hilarious because Michael said that one of the people on 639 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: the train started having a girl at Martha for yelling 640 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: at him, and he got super defensive. It was like, 641 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: don't you speak to her like that. It's like when 642 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: we have arguments and we'll be horrible to each other, 643 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: but if anyone was to be rude to us, it's like, 644 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 1: how dare you be rude to my sisters? Gosh, this 645 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: takes me back. 646 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: Do you remember? 647 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: It was our first overseas trip without our parents, and 648 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: we went to Singapore and we were meant to be 649 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: going to Raffles that day, and there was some mix 650 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: up with the booking and we ended up not going 651 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: to the high tea and we had to go find 652 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: our own lunch, and I remember we ended up getting 653 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: cheesy fries at this food court. But there was this 654 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: massive altercation between the three of us. We were all 655 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: arguing and probably acting disgusting in public. But it seems 656 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: like it's okay when it's overseas because people don't know you. Yeah. 657 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if they have a certain sense of freedom, 658 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: because over in Australia, if they were to have a 659 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: brawl where Martha pushed luggage on to Michael and he 660 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: fell over on the street, there would probably be paparazzi around, 661 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: But over there they can get away with it exactly right. Well, 662 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. 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