1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcoutin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Straight island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday, 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: the twentieth of March. 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: I'm zara, i'm sam. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: This week marks one year since girls in Afghanistan had 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: their hopes of returning to school dashed by the Taliban. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: It was a day that ended in heartbreak, tears and 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: anger for many. The Taliban led government suddenly ordered most 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: secondary schools for girls to close. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: Students packed up their bags and headed home. Girls are 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: now essentially banned from receiving a high school education, as 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: well as from universities and many workplaces. But in an 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: organization that's led by Pashana Durani is working to educate 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: girls in. 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: Secret, and we still hope that there is an Alkhoramistan 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: that will accept and take pride in having educated Dodgers. 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: We're going to share the incredibly insightful chat that I 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 2: had with Pashana in the deep dive, but first am 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: the headlines. 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: Victoria's Deputy Premier de center Alan has signaled the state 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: is considering banning the Nazi salute after a group of 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: men repeatedly performed the gesture on the steps of Victoria's parliament. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: The group had gathered in support of an anti transgender activist. 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: While Victoria became the first state of territory in Australia 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: to ban the swastika last year, the legislation did not 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: include the Nazi salute. 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: The majority of Lord How Island has been temporarily shut off. 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: That is due to the escalating risk of a highly 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: infectious fungal disease impacting some Australian plants. Non essential visitors 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: are temporarily unable to visit most parts of the island 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: off the New South Wales Mid North coast. The fungal 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: disease was first detected on the island back in early February. 38 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: And Russian President Vladimir Putin has visited the Russian held 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: Ukrainian city of Mariopol and annexed region of crimea to 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: mark the nine year anniversary of its annexation from Ukraine. 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: Earlier in the weekends, the International Criminal Court issued a 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: warrant for his arrest over allegations of war crimes. 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: And the good news an Australian man has broken the 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: world record for the longest ever surfing session. Blake Johnston 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: achieved the feat by surfing at Kronulla in Sydney for 46 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: a whopping thirty plus hours and only left the surf 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: after reaching the forty hour mark. Johnston was surfing to 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: raise money for mental health. Today I have the immense 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: privilege of being joined on the pod by any credible woman. Pashdanajarani, 50 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: founder of Learn afghan works to provide education to women 51 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: and girls in Afghanistan, a mission they've continued even after 52 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: the Taliban's takeover. She's joining us from the US, where 53 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: she's a visiting fellow at Wellesley College. Pashdana, thank you 54 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: so much for making time for us this morning. 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so I want to start this conversation with where 57 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: your education started. So can you just tell me a 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: bit about the first school that you went to. 59 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 4: Ah, the first school I went to good questions. So 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: I grew up in a refugee camp, just so you know, 61 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: So I actually went to a home school within my 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: own house from my parents. I think education was the 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: most important thing. It was not like, oh it's a choice. No, no, no, no, 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: it was not a choice. You don't get educated, you 65 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: don't get fed in this house. It was that simple. 66 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: You're not responsible towards your own community. You're not getting 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: inside this house. It was more like a sponsored relationship 68 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 4: where you were fed if you get educated, where you 69 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: were sheltered only if you're like you know, teaching your 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 4: best friends or like you know, friends in the house school. 71 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: So for me, I think that was the subconscious teacher raising. 72 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: I was told, you get educated, you can go out 73 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: of here, you know, and for me that was good enough. 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, not that that regime was bad. I loved 75 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 4: it back then. But education, on a serious note, played 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: the most important role. 77 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: And so when did you realize that your education wasn't 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: I guess typical for a girl in Afghanistan. 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 4: I think I realized that when I went back to 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 4: Afonistan the first time when I was seventeen, and the 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 4: first time I saw my own cousins my own, like 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 4: you know, first cousins who had like you know, these 83 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: two to three copies that she had, and she used 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: to read write like you know, every time, and she 85 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: used to release them and re write. And I asked 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: her and she's like, why do you do that? I 87 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: never shared the story though. She's like, oh, because, like 88 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 4: you know, I only get three copies per a few months, 89 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 4: and I just want to save more pages. Once I'm 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: done learning, I redo it again. And for me that 91 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: was weird, like lack of paper could be such a 92 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 4: big thing and having paper and pencil could be a luxury. 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: And then later and of course I learned that she 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: didn't have access to school and she was learning at 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: home and it was not like a teacher was at home. 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: She was learning at home by herself. Somebody was coming 97 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: her nephews every Thursdays and Fridays and given her lessons 98 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 4: and she was still able to read it. So for me, 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: I think those are sort of things that what it 100 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 4: makes you realize, Okay, my situation is not the same 101 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: like everyone else's, and everyone has more hard than me. 102 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: And what did you do with that information? How did 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: you respond to knowing that your situation and the education 104 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: that you had received was different to that of your cousins. 105 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: The reason I wanted to help her. I didn't care 106 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 4: about making an organization. I wanted to study and then 107 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: run for the parliament and like, you know, become this 108 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: politician and stuff, or like you know, my father wanted 109 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: me to be a diplomat. He was not sure about 110 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: my diplomatics because I'm not good at that. So the 111 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 4: part of realization was that very moment where I decided that, Okay, 112 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 4: she's my cousin, we're going to be best friends. And 113 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 4: I have this same person my age, but she doesn't 114 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: have the same sort of opportunity that I do. That 115 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: sort of hurt me, and I wanted to share that 116 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 4: sort of opportunity with her. I was like, Okay, we're 117 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: going to get her educated. We're going to get her 118 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 4: to a good school, and that's it. That was the plan. 119 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 4: I downloaded everything from YouTube. I reached out to every 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: platform on the world to make sure that we get 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: content in our own native languages educated. We got her educated, 122 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: we get we move the whole family to the city 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: from this IDP district, and she enrolls in a school 124 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: and guess what, they're gonna feel the same, being left out. 125 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: And the school is fast paced, the lessons are fast paced, 126 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: and this is an hout to dictate kid. So she 127 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: has learned at home all the time. She doesn't know 128 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 4: how to do exams. She doesn't know how to socialize, 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: first of all, and she doesn't know how to perform 130 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: under this much pressure. And the school teacher is like, yeah, 131 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: she's not good for the school and she's better off 132 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: if you can educate her at home or something of 133 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: that sort. And that's where, like, you know, it may 134 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: be realized how broken our system is. When I got 135 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: to know that, Okay, I love my country, but it's 136 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: not perfect. And the part I can play is like 137 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: in making sure that some parts of it become perfect, 138 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 4: like education. 139 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, so you realize something was imperfect and you 140 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: wanted to fix that. How did you go about doing that? 141 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: In the early days, I think the first thing I 142 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 4: did was like I started focusing on what part I 143 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: can do. I didn't want to go and become a savior. 144 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: I didn't want to do what was trendy, Oh, educate girls, 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: educate girls? How where what should be the like, you 146 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: know the problem that you're focusing on. Okay, education and 147 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: literacy is all over the world, yours's conflicts, so it's 148 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: a bigger the bigger gap. So I looked around and 149 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: simultaneously I'm working with the runna, so the runna goes 150 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: to school. I realize that. Then that's where like it's 151 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: the realization moment is when I talk to other girls 152 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: that I'm related to, where they are also going through 153 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: the same thing. Most of them moved to the city, 154 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: most of them enroll in the school, most of them 155 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: are doing well for their capacity, but all of them 156 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: go back on their learning and they don't want to 157 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: be in role anymore. And then they're married off as 158 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: a teenage girl because they were not like you know, 159 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 4: welcomed in those learning spaces because they were not good enough, 160 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: but they were not huger enough. So for me, that 161 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 4: was the moment of realization, and that's where I think 162 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: I started focusing on more ruler agnes and ruler learning models. 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: How can we make sure we teach properly in our 164 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: own regions, and then if they're integrated into normal schools 165 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: or public schools, they're welcomed, received and standardized to their levels. 166 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: So that was something that that's I started. But the 167 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: mini steps were like taking a big loan from my dad, 168 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 4: never beat it back, driving my parents crazy. All of that. 169 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: That's like the mean steps of anyone wants to start 170 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: a nonprofit. And the last but not the least, like 171 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: you know, believing in myself like a crazy person. The 172 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: sixteen year old me would never believe the seventeen year 173 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: old me would never believe that that whole one year 174 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: research of drunk down everything and then not pad can 175 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: make a thirty person stuff today. 176 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: Wow, like an organization that is unbelievable. And obviously things 177 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: have changed in Afghanistan and so what was what was 178 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: it like for learn what was happening with your organization? 179 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: What did it look like before the return of the Taliban? 180 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: And then how has that changed? 181 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 4: I was talking to someone yesterday about this. Was like 182 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 4: when we were doing all this peak stuff in twenty 183 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: nineteen and twenty twenty, I thought we were doing nothing. 184 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: I was so furious. I was like, why are we 185 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: just covering seven thousand girls? Why are we not carrying 186 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: seven hundred thousand girls? Like, why are we doing that? 187 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: Before It'salliban? We focused mainly on girls eighteen public schools 188 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: and five through their schools. So we would build make 189 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: sure that we bridge that gap and provide resources, provide 190 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 4: tablets and computers, ensuring everything was in place, train the 191 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: students how to learn these platforms and everything, mental hygiene, management, 192 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 4: you see it. We did it, cover management, Stevie, letter writing, 193 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 4: how to reach out to university, how to talk to someone, 194 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 4: conversational English, feminist literature, anything and everything. Anything that I 195 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 4: would have appreciated as a young person, I made sure 196 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: it was on the platform. Yeah. 197 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: And so I mean speaking a feminist education and then 198 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: seeing what is happening today, in my mind seems like 199 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: two very different things happening at once. So what does 200 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 2: it look like now. 201 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 4: Today? Today's Afghanistan is different from that of the past. 202 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: I'm not going to go on the women and say, 203 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 4: oh no, back in the day, Afghanistan is like, you know, 204 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: this amazing country. Everything was perfect. Now the country was 205 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: bombed and the Thalaban abused women. A lot of districts 206 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: were under the Taliban control, especially ruler regions where I 207 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 4: come from. But on people, we had a constitution where 208 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: a woman had the right to education, where a girl 209 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: had the right to education, where a woman had right 210 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: to work. Today we're treated like criminals in our own country. 211 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: Young teenage girls are the illegal party in Afghanistan right now. 212 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: They're treated like criminals or warlords. Now we have two 213 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty kids, and I'm very proud of them. 214 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: It's grade seven to twelve, the one that's banned, it's 215 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: age thirteen to eighteen. We make sure we provide the 216 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: saying stuff that we did back in the day, but 217 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: right now it's more secret. And kudus to my team 218 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 4: doing that for pulling that. You know, it's hard, it's 219 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: so hard. Kudos to the people who have welcomed us 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: in their basements, in their apartments, in their guest rooms, 221 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 4: in houses so that we could host girls in those 222 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: spaces and kurdoos to the teacher who show up in 223 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 4: person to teach. Kudoos to the students' parents who make 224 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 4: sure that they drop and pick their students and make 225 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: sure that they protect them at every cost. 226 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how risky is it for these girls who 227 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: are seeking really just seeking the basics of an education. 228 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 4: I wouldn't goop for the risk, but everybody knows if 229 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 4: you are found as an army person and off on 230 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: the stan right now, you're suffocated with a plastic bag. 231 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: The video just went vital for an Alphun army officer. 232 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: That was happening. Girls have been kidnapped in the past 233 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 4: for saying something on Facebook. Girls brothers are been kidnapped 234 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 4: and taken because they said something like when they were 235 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: being at can rest or something like that. So all 236 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 4: of that is happening. Now let's rewind back to why 237 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: take the risk. Of course, in my head, in your mind, 238 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 4: in everyone's mind, education is all right. The girls believe 239 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 4: in education. Depends believe in education. That's why they're there. 240 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: But in our country right now, it's not allowed. You're 241 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: not allowed to do it. Once you get this education, 242 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: you're not allowed to work. So basically this education is 243 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 4: useless currency to you. It's useless currency. This knowledge is 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: useless currency. But you're still showing up. I think that's 245 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 4: the important part that we need to understand. The risk 246 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 4: is very probably, like you know to everyone known, you 247 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: can be go missing, you will be arrested, you will 248 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: be tortured, you can go and you would probably end 249 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: up dead if the scenario is different. But the hope 250 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: is the main thing. 251 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful answer. And I guess my question to 252 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: you is what gives you hope right now? 253 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 4: A lot of things, A lot of things make me hopeless, 254 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: I would say. In today's Akanistan, hope is a very 255 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: big luxury, you know, that's not afforded to everyone. And 256 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: yet every day two hundred and thirty girls show up 257 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: to a space where they want to learn about flowering 258 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 4: parts of a plant, or like you know, self or 259 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: pendulum experiment or like you know, alkines and alkalines. So 260 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: for me, that's hope. Putting yourself in this space is hope. 261 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: You believing in your education is hope. And it's not 262 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: a cheesy way of like, oh, because they're so brave 263 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 4: and everything. No, because they believe in themselves. That's amazing 264 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: to me. We hope that our country will recover. We 265 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: hope that the girls will be able to go to 266 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: a job in a proper pieceful of conaissan, and we 267 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: still hope that there is an a Khamistan that will 268 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: accept and take pride in having educated daughters. 269 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: Our audience in Australia is extremely far away, and I 270 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: think would struggle to understand the horrors that young girls 271 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: and women are facing every single day. But I want 272 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: to know from you, what do you want our audience 273 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: to know? Firstly and secondly, how do you think that 274 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: young Australian women who are listening to listening to this 275 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: can help? 276 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: I think the first thing maybe Australian population can do 277 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: is question their immigration laws that are horrible towards immigrants, 278 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: especially as once I have seen it and it's not good. 279 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 4: It shouldn't be like only people who can invest in 280 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: Australia can end up in Australia should be welcoming everyone. 281 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 4: And this doesn't a plate off one. It's then that 282 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: supplies to Iran, that the supplies to every other country 283 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 4: that's abusing women, including in the US, where you can like, 284 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 4: there are so many women at issues right now. So 285 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 4: for me, the most important thing is you might not 286 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: be able to do a lot of things, but the 287 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: least you could do is make sure that you ask 288 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 4: your representatives why are you not questioning the Taliban right now? 289 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: Why are not sanctioning the Taliban? Why are you're not 290 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: sanctioning the countries who facilitated Taliban taking over and right 291 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 4: now are hosting their families where their daughters can go 292 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: to school. Safely. There are two countries who are doing 293 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 4: that right now. And the most important thing is if 294 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 4: you cannot stand with us, at least like you know, 295 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: stand around us. You don't have to fight for us, 296 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: but you can share the same platform. You can make 297 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: those platforms. You're giving me this platform to talk to 298 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: the Australian population is in itself an act of solidarity. 299 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 4: So these are many things that people can do. Educate yourself, 300 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 4: share in your networks about the efforts that I want 301 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: women do without having to wait for a big project 302 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: or a rescue mission to come in and save us. 303 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: We're not waiting and I'm not the only one who's 304 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 4: like claiming to do all of that. There's first Off 305 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 4: Rohodas this in code to Inspire, There's Shavanavsijc who runs 306 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: this amazing school Sola. They're all these amazing women are 307 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 4: doing all these amazing things, and it fills my heart 308 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: with joy that all of us are doing something while 309 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: the whole world is watch waiting that somebody will come, 310 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 4: some superpower will come and rescue them and then we'll 311 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: chip in. You know. For me, I think Australian women, 312 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 4: if the least that they would can do is share 313 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: it in their network, support efforts. If they like something, 314 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 4: volunteered with that organization, and if nothing else, help them 315 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: develop a comic book, help them develop a language like 316 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 4: you know, linguistic curriculum or something that would help the 317 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 4: people of Akonnaissan and the young girls of Afkonistan Haashana. 318 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, fair Time this morning. 319 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. 320 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us on the Daily Ods this morning. 321 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 3: If you learn something from today's episode, don't forget to 322 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: hit subscribe so there's a TDA episode waiting for you 323 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: every morning. 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