WEBVTT - What happened at the vice presidential debate? 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.360 Already and this is this is the daily. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.480 This is the Daily OS. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:06.960 Oh, now it makes sense. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.480 Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday, 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:18.840 the third of October. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.160 I'm Sam, I'm emma. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.159 Democrat Tim Waltz and Republican JD Vance have met for 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.800 what was expected to be their only vice presidential debate 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.080 ahead of the November election. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.880 The VP hopefuls met in New York for a broadcast 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.559 lasting over ninety minutes, where the candidates debated issues from 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:42.000 the climate to the economy, immigration, abortion and gun rights, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.080 as well as their plan to lead America as second 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.800 in command to the future president. Either Kamala Harris or Donald. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.879 Trump will take you through what went. 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.080 Down in the debate in today's deep dive. But first Sam, 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.200 what's making headlines. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.360 Police have charged a nineteen year old woman for allegedly 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.119 carrying a Heswela flag at a Sydney protest. It comes 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.319 after thousands of demonstrators attended rallies across the country for 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.240 a national Day of Action for Gaza on Sunday. Victoria 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.560 Police have referred at least six reports of hate symbols 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.080 being displayed at the Melbourne rally to the Australian Federal Police. Meanwhile, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.480 New South Wales police are making a legal bid in 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.560 the state's Supreme Court to stop protests going ahead this 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.840 weekend in Sydney's CBD to mark a year since the 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.800 Israel Hamas War. Organizers of the rally say they'll defend 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.360 their right to protest. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.960 More than one hundred and twenty people have come forward 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.440 alleging sexual misconduct by Sean Diddy Combs, the rapper and 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.080 music producer, is being held in New York on sex 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.480 trafficking charges. Prosecutors alleged he used his business empire to 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:57.480 cover up decades of abuse. Combs denies any wrongdoing. A 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.200 Texas lawyer, Tony Busby has come forward, claiming some three thousand, 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.680 two hundred people have approached his officers with allegations relating 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.840 to Combs. During a press conference, Busby said one of 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.519 the victims was nine years old when the alleged misconduct occurred. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.960 Combs has been denied bail. His lawyers said the rapper 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.760 looks forward to clearing his name. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.320 The UK has become the first major economy to end 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.000 coal power production, marking a key step in Britain's transition 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.919 to renewables. The Ratcliffe On saw Plant in England's Midlands, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.119 the last coal fired power station in the UK, has 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.040 officially shut, marking an end to one hundred and forty 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.000 two years of coal power in Britain. Energy Security Secretary 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.000 Ed Milliband said it was quote a major moment in 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.920 the UK's journey to tackle the climate crisis. Meanwhile, Australia 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.560 doesn't have plans to fully phase out coal for at 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:52.840 least another decade. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.080 And in today's good news, scientists are a step closer 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.920 towards rolling out technology that could help speed up the 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.960 diagnosis of conditions like cancer, diabetes and arthritis. According to 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.480 findings published in the journal Nature, researchers from the University 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.160 College London developed a handheld scanner which can create three 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.560 D images of blood vessels below the skin. The new 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.600 scanners can generate images more quickly than scanning technology currently 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.240 in use at medical clinics for things like MRIs. Co 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.760 author of the research, Paul Beard, said the new tech 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.960 could help scientists look at as specs of human biology 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:37.160 and disease that we haven't been able to before. So 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.320 there's just over a month left until the US election. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.280 If you can believe it. But Sam, you were there 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.040 boots on the ground very recently, won't you. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.080 Well, I'd like to pretend that I was there doing 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.920 the brave work for the Daily Os figuring out this 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.520 US election, but no, I was there at the tail 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.800 end of my honeymoon. That's why you haven't heard me 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.520 on the podcast for about the last month. But I 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.240 can give you a sense of what it's like in 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.880 the US. Ye please, the election only five weeks away. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.080 I mean, granted I was in New York, which is 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:10.880 traditionally a very Democrat aligned area, but it's really everything 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.320 that everyone's focused on. It is the key moment. I mean, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.320 there is so much going on in the new cycle 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.920 at the moment, but the name's Karmala Harris, Donald Trump, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.280 Jdie Vance and Tim Walz is kind of whatever one's talking. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.880 About interesting well, I mean it's certainly dominated headlines here 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.240 in Australia for what feels like an eternity. Now we 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:34.120 are really nearing the pointy end. But we've been speaking 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.119 a lot on the podcast in recent months about Donald 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.720 Trump and Karmala Harris, less so about these vice presidential candidates. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.799 So before we. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.719 Really get stuck in where are we aut more broadly, 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.919 you know, not only in terms of the political pulse 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.560 of the American people, but what about the polls. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.520 Well, we always take these polls with a large pinch 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:02.360 of salts, because that haven't been exactly right in the past. Nonetheless, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.320 it is important to look at the polling and see 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.000 what it says, and basically it says nothing. We are 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.600 no closer to an answer than we were the last 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.960 time you guys spoke about this on the podcast. Opinion 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.080 Polling shows the race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.040 remains neck and neck. Online polling Aggregator five point thirty eight. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.120 They average out the polling data collected by multiple polling companies, 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.200 and their national poll shows Harris with an average lead 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.440 of two point nine percent. Now that's really not statistically 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.000 enough to say she's got a confident lead. So I 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.719 think you should think about this as really anyone's game. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.080 So given that it's anyone's game, you know, every moment 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.040 now over the next four and a bit weeks really 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.640 does matter. Which brings us to the vice presidential debate. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.240 And it's an interesting one because normally we don't talk 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.080 about the vice presidents. We don't really focus on it. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.920 I mean TV audiences for vice presidential debate aren't normally big, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.039 but this one was different. Yesterday, Emma run me through 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.080 a bit about both of these candidates. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:05.920 Yes, so we've got jd. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.400 Vance for the Republicans, Trump's pick and Tim Waltz Kamala 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.520 Harris's pick for the Democrats. They were in New York 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.120 for this debate yesterday, hosted by CBS News, and really 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.720 it was a chance for them to tell us a 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.800 little bit more about who they are as candidates, and 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.080 you know, an opportunity for debate on policy, of course, 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.840 in terms of who they are. Thirty nine year old 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.560 Ohio Senator JD. Vance was announced as Trump's running mate 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.720 at the Republican National Convention back in July. He's previously 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.719 been a vocal Trump critic, but has become a really 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.440 strong supporter of the former president over. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:43.200 The past few years. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.680 He grew up in Middletown, Ohio. That's a predominantly industrial area, 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.279 and he's spoken really openly about a difficult childhood, growing 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.360 up with a mother who has struggled with drug and 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.680 alcohol addiction. And this is something he's discussed in not 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.080 only on the campaign trail, but in his twenty sixteen 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.680 best selling memoir Hill Billy Elegy. We've heard a lot 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.000 about that book in recent months. Vance also served in 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.239 the US Marine Corps for four years. He later studied 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.480 law at Yale, and that's where he met his future wife, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.200 Usha Chilikouri. She is a lawyer and daughter of Indian migrants. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:23.240 They have three children together. And Vance made his first 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.280 tilts to politics in twenty twenty two when he ran 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.520 for the Senate representing the state of Ohio. And he 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.480 was obviously successful in that run. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.880 It's crazy that that was only two years ago and 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.760 here he is as the vice presidential pick for the 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.320 Republican Party. You said before that he wasn't always this 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.360 loyal Trump supporter. What did he say about the former president? 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:44.800 Yes? 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.720 So his book release back in twenty sixteen coincided with 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:54.400 Trump's campaign against Hillary Clinton, and during interviews about the book, 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.960 Vance said he was quote never a Trump guy, that 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.760 he quote never liked him. In a now deleted tweet, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.760 Vance said Trump makes people care about afraid immigrants, Muslims, etc. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.160 Because of this, I find him reprehensible. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:10.720 Now. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:11.000 JD. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.640 Vance has really played that sentiment down significantly during the 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.560 campaign trail, but it's a point of contention that Democrats 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.720 have really leaned into over the campaign, so they continue 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.840 to bring it up and those comments continue to I'm 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.840 sure jade Vance feels haunt him. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.000 And it was interesting when those comments were put to 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.840 Jade Vance in the debate yesterday. Jade Vance delivered the 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.800 same response he's kind of delivered throughout this campaign, which 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.400 was he was wrong about Trump and that he had 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.520 consumed the same false media narratives. Those are the words 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.520 that he uses about the former president. He was misled 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.720 by the media, and now that he has kind of 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.480 seen the light about who the former president really was, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.679 he knows that he's a good guy now. So he's 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.640 done a real oneint eighty there. So that's Jadie Vance. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.800 What do we need to know about the Democrats pick 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:01.480 Tim Wolls? 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.200 Yeah, so Tim Walls was announced as Kamala Harris's pick 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.160 the VP in August. That of course followed this reshuffle 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.839 of candidates after Joe Biden dropped out of the race. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.120 And Tim Waltz is a sixty year old He is 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.640 the governor of Minnesota. He was elected to governor there 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.680 in twenty nineteen, you might have heard him referred to 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.040 as coached him. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:22.480 Now. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.480 That's because he taught high school geography in his home 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.280 state of Nebraska. He also led the football team at 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:33.440 that school to its first American football state championship. So 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.200 the Democrats have kind of leaned into that sentiment of 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:36.720 coach Tim. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:37.800 He's the daggy dad. 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.000 He's the daggy dad. He's just like you. He was 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.439 your teacher, he was your coach. You know him. He 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.560 previously represented a rural district in the US House of 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.680 Reps from two thousand and seven to twenty nineteen, so 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.240 he has had this long career, or longer career in 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:58.200 politics than Jade Evans. One thing about Walls is that 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.600 he gained a lot of attention after he called Trump 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.480 and jd Vance weird. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.840 These are weird people on the other side. They want 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.600 to take books away, they want to be in your 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.160 exam room. That's what it comes down to it. Don't 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.840 get sugarcoating this. These are weird ideas. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:17.000 Now this has really caught on across the Democrats. It's 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.160 created a shift in how the Dems have spoken about Republicans. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.320 These clips of Walts using weird to describe Trump have 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.720 really gone viral. And another thing to note about him 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.480 is that he was governor of Minnesota at the time 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:30.479 of the murder. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.880 Of George Floyd by police in twenty twenty. 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:37.000 He has been criticized for his response to the protests 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.319 that occurred after that murder and for not doing more 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.240 to prevent the damage that followed. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.120 And so that brings us to the vice presidential debate 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.199 this week. It was on yesterday about eleven am Australian 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.120 is in standard time for us in the office in Sydney. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.400 We can talk more about the policy side of things 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.120 in a sec but we watched it together. What were 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.040 your general impressions of the debate? 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.040 Yeah, I think something that really struck me right out 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.760 of the gates was how nervous Tim Woaltz appeared to be. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.679 He was the first of the two candidates to answer a. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.480 Question which is decided by a coin toss exactly. Yeah, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:13.839 that interesting one. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.040 And people really use those first. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.920 Moments of each candidate's response as a bit of a 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.200 metric of how it's going to go. Who appears to 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.720 be the more confident candidate. Now, it was a really 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.600 serious one from the get go. On the developing situation 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.360 in the Middle East. I think it's fair to say 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.760 neither of them really answered the question, but Walls did 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.199 seem to stumble over his words a fair bit more 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.840 took a little longer to find his footing, whereas Vance 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.560 was pretty confident from the start. Walls eventually kind of 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.640 warmed up over the course of the debate. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.880 But commentators have noted that JD. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.760 Vance, you know, he might have a bit of an 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.640 edge when it comes to media training. He did a 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.640 national tour of his book, He's done a lot of interviews, 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.400 and that might have showed on the debate floor. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.800 Okay, so that's kind of the manor side of the debate. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.280 Why don't we go now to the matter and the 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.640 real meat of what they talked about. We saw a 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.600 huge focus on immigration during the recent presidential debate between 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.240 Harris and Trump. Did the vice presidential debate follow that 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:15.960 same pattern. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.000 Yeah, it was certainly a focus of the debate, but 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.920 the temperature was turned down a little this time compared 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.040 to that Trump Harris debate. So you might remember Trump 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.480 making those viral comments alleging Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.839 where eating people's domestic pets. Now, these comments have been 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.880 broadly condemned as entirely untrue, but they certainly added to 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.959 a kind of panic about immigration. Jdvance didn't go as 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.320 far as Trump in the VP debate, but he did 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.160 touch on Springfield. He said it was one of many 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:52.160 communities around the US overwhelmed by illegal immigration. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.800 You've got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got hospitals that 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.319 are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.520 because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.520 with Americans for scarce homes. The people that I'm most 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.200 worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.600 have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:12.880 Now. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.040 Vance focused on this sort of need to empower law enforcement. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.960 He took aim at Kamala Harris for failing to control 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.440 the US border at Mexico early on when that was 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:26.120 within her portfolio in the Biden administration. And that is 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.840 echoing the sentiments that we've heard from Trump. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.480 And when those games were put back to walles. How 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.960 did he handle the fact that he's representing the party 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.000 that's currently in the White House. It's their immigration record 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.800 that's being challenged, and it's his potential boss that is 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:42.880 being held responsible. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:47.720 Yes, so he was defensive of Harris naturally, and rather 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.360 than kind of dwell on what she may or may 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.760 not have done during her time in the White House, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.720 he referred to her history as the Attorney General of California. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.479 So we know that Karmala Harris was a public prosecut 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.280 previously before politics, and as ag of California, you know 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.400 that is a large border state. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.439 Here's a bit of what Timwoll said. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.920 She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.800 gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions. But look, we 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.800 all want to solve that. Most of us want to 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.520 solve this, and that is the United States Congress, that's 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.240 the border patrol agents, that's the Chamber of Commerce, that's 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:26.520 most Americans out here. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.880 It kind of feels to me like there are three 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:34.000 primary buckets of policy being debated in this US election. Immigration, 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.680 as we've talked about the economy, which just keeps coming 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.520 up over and over again, and abortion. I want to 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.000 talk about that. Now, give me a sense of how 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.440 that discussion played out. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.600 So basically, The debate here surrounds the fact that the 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.880 constitutional right to an abortion was ended in the US 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.440 after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in twenty 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.960 twenty two. That handed power to the states to determine 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.120 their own law around how they wanted to regulate abortion. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.800 So what's become a key election issue now is this 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.280 continuing debate over whether or not abortion should be a 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.440 national issue, or whether or not the states should have 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.680 the power. Kamala Harris has said that if Trump was 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.280 re elected, he would sign off on a national abortion ban. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.680 This is something that Trumps outright denied, but he does 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.800 agree that state abortion bans that have been introduced should 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.520 be upheld, that the power should stay with the states. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.280 Jade Vance has accused the Democrats of taking what he 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.800 called a very radical pro abortion stance, and he made 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.560 this point during the debate about a need to introduce 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.000 policies to support families. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.200 So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.240 something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.680 destroy their relationships. And we have got to earn people's 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.280 trust back, making childcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.520 because we've got to do a better job at that, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.120 and that's what real leadership is. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.560 And here is how Tim Walls responded. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.440 I'm going to respond on the pro abortion piece of that. No, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.280 we're not. We're pro women. We're pro freedom to make 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.920 your own choice. We know what the implications are to 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.440 not be that women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.479 physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.880 We're pro children, but we don't like this or you 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.240 guys are pro abortion. That's not the case at all. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.200 We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.360 Another topic that always is around US politics hasn't played 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.040 as much of a role in this presidential debate as 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.000 I actually thought it would, but it did come up 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.240 in the discussion yesterday gun control. We know there's been 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.760 more gun violence, a spike in mass shootings, there was 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.000 even an attempted assassination or two on one of the 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:55.480 presidential candidates. Did either of the vice presidential candidates say 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.560 anything different about their approach to guns, perhaps that we 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.480 didn't know before. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.280 Yeah, I'm always personally interested in the conversation around gun 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.239 violence because, as you mentioned, it's really just such a 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.200 part of American life that's removed from what we experience 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.960 here in Australia. But Vance was asked about the responsibility 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.480 of parents in what was described as America's gun violence epidemic, 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.240 and this was off the back of the parents of 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.280 a school shooter in the US recently being charged with 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:24.920 involuntary manslaughter. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:25.920 Now JD. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.280 Vance said, there's a difference between a child stealing a 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.119 gun and being given access to one by a parent. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.720 He kind of deflected on the issue and he said 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.919 schools needed to have better security, but he pivoted the 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.840 conversation back to the immigration issue. He said that the 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.800 majority of gun violence in the US was being committed 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.080 by illegally obtained weapons and that those weapons came over 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:55.160 the border illegally because of border control issues, which were, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.520 in his words, Kamala Harris's fault. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.560 And then the discussion was moved to Tim. Did Tim 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.040 Wolves lean into that immigration centric response or did he 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.680 bring it back to guns well. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.320 One of the more surprising moments of this debate was 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.760 what happened next, which was that Tim Walls spoke about 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.240 something his son went through that I had never heard 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.560 him speak about. He said his seventeen year old son 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.720 witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.360 Those things don't leave you. I sat in my office 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.600 surrounded by dozens of the Sandiok parents and they were 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.760 looking at my seven year old picture on the wall. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.080 Their seven year old were dead, and they were asking 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.639 us to do something, and look, I'm a hunter, I 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.960 own firearms. The Vice President is we understand that the 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.359 Second Amendment is there, but our first responsibilities to our kids. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.399 I one hundred percent believe that Senator Vance hates it 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.160 when these kids it's a borent and it breaks your heart. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.680 I agree with that, but that's not far enough when 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:52.840 we know there are things that work. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.560 I was really interested to see how Jedi Vance would 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.920 handle questions around the transfer of power, because he's part 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.240 of a presidential ticket that has January six hanging over 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.199 its head, this idea of Donald Trump not perhaps showing 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.639 that he's able to hand over power should he lose. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.280 Jade Vance was then asked that directly, you know, would 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.240 you be compliant with the processes that US politics has 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.320 in place. How did Jade Vance tackle that one? 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.959 Yeah, it has to be said that this is the 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:28.160 moment I think he probably handled the worst throughout the night, 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.080 and the commentary around it has been that this might 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:35.480 have been his slip up in an otherwise pretty smooth debate. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.840 He has come under fire essentially for refusing to acknowledge 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.240 that Trump lost that twenty twenty election. He was really 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.320 pressed on this issue. Tim Waltz pressed JD. Vance near 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.480 the end of the debate and continued to ask him to. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:50.240 Answer the question. 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.359 Vance played it off, said that he was, you know, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:58.680 focused on the future, which Waltz called a damning non answer. Overall, though, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.080 you know, things were fairly formal and respectful. It's not 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.760 the debate that we saw from Trump and Kamala Harris. 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.399 It's not the debate that we are used to seeing 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.080 from US political figures. But I wanted to finish on 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.760 a grab from both of the candidates which did take 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.880 a different kind of tone about respecting each other and 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.600 accepting the outcome of an election. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.399 This issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.600 shaking hands when we lose, being honest about. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.600 It, We're going to shake hands after this debate and 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.119 after this election, and of course I hope that we'll win, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:34.520 and I think we're going to win. But if Tim 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.080 Wats is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:38.920 he'll have my best wishes, and I'll have my help. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:40.960 And when I was watching that go down at the 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.040 end of the debate, it really did bring back to 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.080 me some of the research that's come out of the 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.360 US that show that there is a portion of voters 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.520 that are just craving normality, and they're craving convention, and 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:55.560 they're craving civil discussion, and that clearly both camps see 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.359 leaning into that as a way to actually gain more votes. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:20:59.960 I mean, we have to look at everything that happened 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.560 now as an attempt to gain more votes. But it 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.920 was good to see some of that civility come back 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.280