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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday,
Speaker 3: the third of October.
Speaker 1: I'm Sam, I'm emma.
Speaker 3: Democrat Tim Waltz and Republican JD Vance have met for
Speaker 3: what was expected to be their only vice presidential debate
Speaker 3: ahead of the November election.
Speaker 4: The VP hopefuls met in New York for a broadcast
Speaker 4: lasting over ninety minutes, where the candidates debated issues from
Speaker 4: the climate to the economy, immigration, abortion and gun rights,
Speaker 4: as well as their plan to lead America as second
Speaker 4: in command to the future president. Either Kamala Harris or Donald.
Speaker 1: Trump will take you through what went.
Speaker 4: Down in the debate in today's deep dive. But first Sam,
Speaker 4: what's making headlines.
Speaker 3: Police have charged a nineteen year old woman for allegedly
Speaker 3: carrying a Heswela flag at a Sydney protest. It comes
Speaker 3: after thousands of demonstrators attended rallies across the country for
Speaker 3: a national Day of Action for Gaza on Sunday. Victoria
Speaker 3: Police have referred at least six reports of hate symbols
Speaker 3: being displayed at the Melbourne rally to the Australian Federal Police. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: New South Wales police are making a legal bid in
Speaker 3: the state's Supreme Court to stop protests going ahead this
Speaker 3: weekend in Sydney's CBD to mark a year since the
Speaker 3: Israel Hamas War. Organizers of the rally say they'll defend
Speaker 3: their right to protest.
Speaker 4: More than one hundred and twenty people have come forward
Speaker 4: alleging sexual misconduct by Sean Diddy Combs, the rapper and
Speaker 4: music producer, is being held in New York on sex
Speaker 4: trafficking charges. Prosecutors alleged he used his business empire to
Speaker 4: cover up decades of abuse. Combs denies any wrongdoing. A
Speaker 4: Texas lawyer, Tony Busby has come forward, claiming some three thousand,
Speaker 4: two hundred people have approached his officers with allegations relating
Speaker 4: to Combs. During a press conference, Busby said one of
Speaker 4: the victims was nine years old when the alleged misconduct occurred.
Speaker 4: Combs has been denied bail. His lawyers said the rapper
Speaker 4: looks forward to clearing his name.
Speaker 3: The UK has become the first major economy to end
Speaker 3: coal power production, marking a key step in Britain's transition
Speaker 3: to renewables. The Ratcliffe On saw Plant in England's Midlands,
Speaker 3: the last coal fired power station in the UK, has
Speaker 3: officially shut, marking an end to one hundred and forty
Speaker 3: two years of coal power in Britain. Energy Security Secretary
Speaker 3: Ed Milliband said it was quote a major moment in
Speaker 3: the UK's journey to tackle the climate crisis. Meanwhile, Australia
Speaker 3: doesn't have plans to fully phase out coal for at
Speaker 3: least another decade.
Speaker 4: And in today's good news, scientists are a step closer
Speaker 4: towards rolling out technology that could help speed up the
Speaker 4: diagnosis of conditions like cancer, diabetes and arthritis. According to
Speaker 4: findings published in the journal Nature, researchers from the University
Speaker 4: College London developed a handheld scanner which can create three
Speaker 4: D images of blood vessels below the skin. The new
Speaker 4: scanners can generate images more quickly than scanning technology currently
Speaker 4: in use at medical clinics for things like MRIs. Co
Speaker 4: author of the research, Paul Beard, said the new tech
Speaker 4: could help scientists look at as specs of human biology
Speaker 4: and disease that we haven't been able to before. So
Speaker 4: there's just over a month left until the US election.
Speaker 4: If you can believe it. But Sam, you were there
Speaker 4: boots on the ground very recently, won't you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to pretend that I was there doing
Speaker 3: the brave work for the Daily Os figuring out this
Speaker 3: US election, but no, I was there at the tail
Speaker 3: end of my honeymoon. That's why you haven't heard me
Speaker 3: on the podcast for about the last month. But I
Speaker 3: can give you a sense of what it's like in
Speaker 3: the US. Ye please, the election only five weeks away.
Speaker 3: I mean, granted I was in New York, which is
Speaker 3: traditionally a very Democrat aligned area, but it's really everything
Speaker 3: that everyone's focused on. It is the key moment. I mean,
Speaker 3: there is so much going on in the new cycle
Speaker 3: at the moment, but the name's Karmala Harris, Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: Jdie Vance and Tim Walz is kind of whatever one's talking.
Speaker 4: About interesting well, I mean it's certainly dominated headlines here
Speaker 4: in Australia for what feels like an eternity. Now we
Speaker 4: are really nearing the pointy end. But we've been speaking
Speaker 4: a lot on the podcast in recent months about Donald
Speaker 4: Trump and Karmala Harris, less so about these vice presidential candidates.
Speaker 1: So before we.
Speaker 4: Really get stuck in where are we aut more broadly,
Speaker 4: you know, not only in terms of the political pulse
Speaker 4: of the American people, but what about the polls.
Speaker 3: Well, we always take these polls with a large pinch
Speaker 3: of salts, because that haven't been exactly right in the past. Nonetheless,
Speaker 3: it is important to look at the polling and see
Speaker 3: what it says, and basically it says nothing. We are
Speaker 3: no closer to an answer than we were the last
Speaker 3: time you guys spoke about this on the podcast. Opinion
Speaker 3: Polling shows the race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: remains neck and neck. Online polling Aggregator five point thirty eight.
Speaker 3: They average out the polling data collected by multiple polling companies,
Speaker 3: and their national poll shows Harris with an average lead
Speaker 3: of two point nine percent. Now that's really not statistically
Speaker 3: enough to say she's got a confident lead. So I
Speaker 3: think you should think about this as really anyone's game.
Speaker 4: So given that it's anyone's game, you know, every moment
Speaker 4: now over the next four and a bit weeks really
Speaker 4: does matter. Which brings us to the vice presidential debate.
Speaker 3: And it's an interesting one because normally we don't talk
Speaker 3: about the vice presidents. We don't really focus on it.
Speaker 3: I mean TV audiences for vice presidential debate aren't normally big,
Speaker 3: but this one was different. Yesterday, Emma run me through
Speaker 3: a bit about both of these candidates.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we've got jd.
Speaker 4: Vance for the Republicans, Trump's pick and Tim Waltz Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris's pick for the Democrats. They were in New York
Speaker 4: for this debate yesterday, hosted by CBS News, and really
Speaker 4: it was a chance for them to tell us a
Speaker 4: little bit more about who they are as candidates, and
Speaker 4: you know, an opportunity for debate on policy, of course,
Speaker 4: in terms of who they are. Thirty nine year old
Speaker 4: Ohio Senator JD. Vance was announced as Trump's running mate
Speaker 4: at the Republican National Convention back in July. He's previously
Speaker 4: been a vocal Trump critic, but has become a really
Speaker 4: strong supporter of the former president over.
Speaker 1: The past few years.
Speaker 4: He grew up in Middletown, Ohio. That's a predominantly industrial area,
Speaker 4: and he's spoken really openly about a difficult childhood, growing
Speaker 4: up with a mother who has struggled with drug and
Speaker 4: alcohol addiction. And this is something he's discussed in not
Speaker 4: only on the campaign trail, but in his twenty sixteen
Speaker 4: best selling memoir Hill Billy Elegy. We've heard a lot
Speaker 4: about that book in recent months. Vance also served in
Speaker 4: the US Marine Corps for four years. He later studied
Speaker 4: law at Yale, and that's where he met his future wife,
Speaker 4: Usha Chilikouri. She is a lawyer and daughter of Indian migrants.
Speaker 4: They have three children together. And Vance made his first
Speaker 4: tilts to politics in twenty twenty two when he ran
Speaker 4: for the Senate representing the state of Ohio. And he
Speaker 4: was obviously successful in that run.
Speaker 3: It's crazy that that was only two years ago and
Speaker 3: here he is as the vice presidential pick for the
Speaker 3: Republican Party. You said before that he wasn't always this
Speaker 3: loyal Trump supporter. What did he say about the former president?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: So his book release back in twenty sixteen coincided with
Speaker 4: Trump's campaign against Hillary Clinton, and during interviews about the book,
Speaker 4: Vance said he was quote never a Trump guy, that
Speaker 4: he quote never liked him. In a now deleted tweet,
Speaker 4: Vance said Trump makes people care about afraid immigrants, Muslims, etc.
Speaker 4: Because of this, I find him reprehensible.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: JD.
Speaker 4: Vance has really played that sentiment down significantly during the
Speaker 4: campaign trail, but it's a point of contention that Democrats
Speaker 4: have really leaned into over the campaign, so they continue
Speaker 4: to bring it up and those comments continue to I'm
Speaker 4: sure jade Vance feels haunt him.
Speaker 3: And it was interesting when those comments were put to
Speaker 3: Jade Vance in the debate yesterday. Jade Vance delivered the
Speaker 3: same response he's kind of delivered throughout this campaign, which
Speaker 3: was he was wrong about Trump and that he had
Speaker 3: consumed the same false media narratives. Those are the words
Speaker 3: that he uses about the former president. He was misled
Speaker 3: by the media, and now that he has kind of
Speaker 3: seen the light about who the former president really was,
Speaker 3: he knows that he's a good guy now. So he's
Speaker 3: done a real oneint eighty there. So that's Jadie Vance.
Speaker 3: What do we need to know about the Democrats pick
Speaker 3: Tim Wolls?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Tim Walls was announced as Kamala Harris's pick
Speaker 4: the VP in August. That of course followed this reshuffle
Speaker 4: of candidates after Joe Biden dropped out of the race.
Speaker 4: And Tim Waltz is a sixty year old He is
Speaker 4: the governor of Minnesota. He was elected to governor there
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, you might have heard him referred to
Speaker 4: as coached him.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: That's because he taught high school geography in his home
Speaker 4: state of Nebraska. He also led the football team at
Speaker 4: that school to its first American football state championship. So
Speaker 4: the Democrats have kind of leaned into that sentiment of
Speaker 4: coach Tim.
Speaker 3: He's the daggy dad.
Speaker 4: He's the daggy dad. He's just like you. He was
Speaker 4: your teacher, he was your coach. You know him. He
Speaker 4: previously represented a rural district in the US House of
Speaker 4: Reps from two thousand and seven to twenty nineteen, so
Speaker 4: he has had this long career, or longer career in
Speaker 4: politics than Jade Evans. One thing about Walls is that
Speaker 4: he gained a lot of attention after he called Trump
Speaker 4: and jd Vance weird.
Speaker 2: These are weird people on the other side. They want
Speaker 2: to take books away, they want to be in your
Speaker 2: exam room. That's what it comes down to it. Don't
Speaker 2: get sugarcoating this. These are weird ideas.
Speaker 4: Now this has really caught on across the Democrats. It's
Speaker 4: created a shift in how the Dems have spoken about Republicans.
Speaker 4: These clips of Walts using weird to describe Trump have
Speaker 4: really gone viral. And another thing to note about him
Speaker 4: is that he was governor of Minnesota at the time
Speaker 4: of the murder.
Speaker 1: Of George Floyd by police in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: He has been criticized for his response to the protests
Speaker 4: that occurred after that murder and for not doing more
Speaker 4: to prevent the damage that followed.
Speaker 3: And so that brings us to the vice presidential debate
Speaker 3: this week. It was on yesterday about eleven am Australian
Speaker 3: is in standard time for us in the office in Sydney.
Speaker 3: We can talk more about the policy side of things
Speaker 3: in a sec but we watched it together. What were
Speaker 3: your general impressions of the debate?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think something that really struck me right out
Speaker 4: of the gates was how nervous Tim Woaltz appeared to be.
Speaker 4: He was the first of the two candidates to answer a.
Speaker 3: Question which is decided by a coin toss exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that interesting one.
Speaker 1: And people really use those first.
Speaker 4: Moments of each candidate's response as a bit of a
Speaker 4: metric of how it's going to go. Who appears to
Speaker 4: be the more confident candidate. Now, it was a really
Speaker 4: serious one from the get go. On the developing situation
Speaker 4: in the Middle East. I think it's fair to say
Speaker 4: neither of them really answered the question, but Walls did
Speaker 4: seem to stumble over his words a fair bit more
Speaker 4: took a little longer to find his footing, whereas Vance
Speaker 4: was pretty confident from the start. Walls eventually kind of
Speaker 4: warmed up over the course of the debate.
Speaker 1: But commentators have noted that JD.
Speaker 4: Vance, you know, he might have a bit of an
Speaker 4: edge when it comes to media training. He did a
Speaker 4: national tour of his book, He's done a lot of interviews,
Speaker 4: and that might have showed on the debate floor.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's kind of the manor side of the debate.
Speaker 3: Why don't we go now to the matter and the
Speaker 3: real meat of what they talked about. We saw a
Speaker 3: huge focus on immigration during the recent presidential debate between
Speaker 3: Harris and Trump. Did the vice presidential debate follow that
Speaker 3: same pattern.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was certainly a focus of the debate, but
Speaker 4: the temperature was turned down a little this time compared
Speaker 4: to that Trump Harris debate. So you might remember Trump
Speaker 4: making those viral comments alleging Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio,
Speaker 4: where eating people's domestic pets. Now, these comments have been
Speaker 4: broadly condemned as entirely untrue, but they certainly added to
Speaker 4: a kind of panic about immigration. Jdvance didn't go as
Speaker 4: far as Trump in the VP debate, but he did
Speaker 4: touch on Springfield. He said it was one of many
Speaker 4: communities around the US overwhelmed by illegal immigration.
Speaker 5: You've got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got hospitals that
Speaker 5: are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable
Speaker 5: because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete
Speaker 5: with Americans for scarce homes. The people that I'm most
Speaker 5: worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who
Speaker 5: have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Vance focused on this sort of need to empower law enforcement.
Speaker 4: He took aim at Kamala Harris for failing to control
Speaker 4: the US border at Mexico early on when that was
Speaker 4: within her portfolio in the Biden administration. And that is
Speaker 4: echoing the sentiments that we've heard from Trump.
Speaker 3: And when those games were put back to walles. How
Speaker 3: did he handle the fact that he's representing the party
Speaker 3: that's currently in the White House. It's their immigration record
Speaker 3: that's being challenged, and it's his potential boss that is
Speaker 3: being held responsible.
Speaker 4: Yes, so he was defensive of Harris naturally, and rather
Speaker 4: than kind of dwell on what she may or may
Speaker 4: not have done during her time in the White House,
Speaker 4: he referred to her history as the Attorney General of California.
Speaker 4: So we know that Karmala Harris was a public prosecut
Speaker 4: previously before politics, and as ag of California, you know
Speaker 4: that is a large border state.
Speaker 1: Here's a bit of what Timwoll said.
Speaker 2: She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational
Speaker 2: gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions. But look, we
Speaker 2: all want to solve that. Most of us want to
Speaker 2: solve this, and that is the United States Congress, that's
Speaker 2: the border patrol agents, that's the Chamber of Commerce, that's
Speaker 2: most Americans out here.
Speaker 3: It kind of feels to me like there are three
Speaker 3: primary buckets of policy being debated in this US election. Immigration,
Speaker 3: as we've talked about the economy, which just keeps coming
Speaker 3: up over and over again, and abortion. I want to
Speaker 3: talk about that. Now, give me a sense of how
Speaker 3: that discussion played out.
Speaker 4: So basically, The debate here surrounds the fact that the
Speaker 4: constitutional right to an abortion was ended in the US
Speaker 4: after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two. That handed power to the states to determine
Speaker 4: their own law around how they wanted to regulate abortion.
Speaker 4: So what's become a key election issue now is this
Speaker 4: continuing debate over whether or not abortion should be a
Speaker 4: national issue, or whether or not the states should have
Speaker 4: the power. Kamala Harris has said that if Trump was
Speaker 4: re elected, he would sign off on a national abortion ban.
Speaker 4: This is something that Trumps outright denied, but he does
Speaker 4: agree that state abortion bans that have been introduced should
Speaker 4: be upheld, that the power should stay with the states.
Speaker 4: Jade Vance has accused the Democrats of taking what he
Speaker 4: called a very radical pro abortion stance, and he made
Speaker 4: this point during the debate about a need to introduce
Speaker 4: policies to support families.
Speaker 5: So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as
Speaker 5: something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education,
Speaker 5: destroy their relationships. And we have got to earn people's
Speaker 5: trust back, making childcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible,
Speaker 5: because we've got to do a better job at that,
Speaker 5: and that's what real leadership is.
Speaker 1: And here is how Tim Walls responded.
Speaker 2: I'm going to respond on the pro abortion piece of that. No,
Speaker 2: we're not. We're pro women. We're pro freedom to make
Speaker 2: your own choice. We know what the implications are to
Speaker 2: not be that women having miscarriages, women not getting the care,
Speaker 2: physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.
Speaker 2: We're pro children, but we don't like this or you
Speaker 2: guys are pro abortion. That's not the case at all.
Speaker 2: We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices.
Speaker 3: Another topic that always is around US politics hasn't played
Speaker 3: as much of a role in this presidential debate as
Speaker 3: I actually thought it would, but it did come up
Speaker 3: in the discussion yesterday gun control. We know there's been
Speaker 3: more gun violence, a spike in mass shootings, there was
Speaker 3: even an attempted assassination or two on one of the
Speaker 3: presidential candidates. Did either of the vice presidential candidates say
Speaker 3: anything different about their approach to guns, perhaps that we
Speaker 3: didn't know before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always personally interested in the conversation around gun
Speaker 4: violence because, as you mentioned, it's really just such a
Speaker 4: part of American life that's removed from what we experience
Speaker 4: here in Australia. But Vance was asked about the responsibility
Speaker 4: of parents in what was described as America's gun violence epidemic,
Speaker 4: and this was off the back of the parents of
Speaker 4: a school shooter in the US recently being charged with
Speaker 4: involuntary manslaughter.
Speaker 1: Now JD.
Speaker 4: Vance said, there's a difference between a child stealing a
Speaker 4: gun and being given access to one by a parent.
Speaker 4: He kind of deflected on the issue and he said
Speaker 4: schools needed to have better security, but he pivoted the
Speaker 4: conversation back to the immigration issue. He said that the
Speaker 4: majority of gun violence in the US was being committed
Speaker 4: by illegally obtained weapons and that those weapons came over
Speaker 4: the border illegally because of border control issues, which were,
Speaker 4: in his words, Kamala Harris's fault.
Speaker 3: And then the discussion was moved to Tim. Did Tim
Speaker 3: Wolves lean into that immigration centric response or did he
Speaker 3: bring it back to guns well.
Speaker 4: One of the more surprising moments of this debate was
Speaker 4: what happened next, which was that Tim Walls spoke about
Speaker 4: something his son went through that I had never heard
Speaker 4: him speak about. He said his seventeen year old son
Speaker 4: witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.
Speaker 2: Those things don't leave you. I sat in my office
Speaker 2: surrounded by dozens of the Sandiok parents and they were
Speaker 2: looking at my seven year old picture on the wall.
Speaker 2: Their seven year old were dead, and they were asking
Speaker 2: us to do something, and look, I'm a hunter, I
Speaker 2: own firearms. The Vice President is we understand that the
Speaker 2: Second Amendment is there, but our first responsibilities to our kids.
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent believe that Senator Vance hates it
Speaker 2: when these kids it's a borent and it breaks your heart.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, but that's not far enough when
Speaker 2: we know there are things that work.
Speaker 3: I was really interested to see how Jedi Vance would
Speaker 3: handle questions around the transfer of power, because he's part
Speaker 3: of a presidential ticket that has January six hanging over
Speaker 3: its head, this idea of Donald Trump not perhaps showing
Speaker 3: that he's able to hand over power should he lose.
Speaker 3: Jade Vance was then asked that directly, you know, would
Speaker 3: you be compliant with the processes that US politics has
Speaker 3: in place. How did Jade Vance tackle that one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be said that this is the
Speaker 4: moment I think he probably handled the worst throughout the night,
Speaker 4: and the commentary around it has been that this might
Speaker 4: have been his slip up in an otherwise pretty smooth debate.
Speaker 4: He has come under fire essentially for refusing to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that Trump lost that twenty twenty election. He was really
Speaker 4: pressed on this issue. Tim Waltz pressed JD. Vance near
Speaker 4: the end of the debate and continued to ask him to.
Speaker 1: Answer the question.
Speaker 4: Vance played it off, said that he was, you know,
Speaker 4: focused on the future, which Waltz called a damning non answer. Overall, though,
Speaker 4: you know, things were fairly formal and respectful. It's not
Speaker 4: the debate that we saw from Trump and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: It's not the debate that we are used to seeing
Speaker 4: from US political figures. But I wanted to finish on
Speaker 4: a grab from both of the candidates which did take
Speaker 4: a different kind of tone about respecting each other and
Speaker 4: accepting the outcome of an election.
Speaker 2: This issue of settling our differences at the ballot box,
Speaker 2: shaking hands when we lose, being honest about.
Speaker 5: It, We're going to shake hands after this debate and
Speaker 5: after this election, and of course I hope that we'll win,
Speaker 5: and I think we're going to win. But if Tim
Speaker 5: Wats is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers,
Speaker 5: he'll have my best wishes, and I'll have my help.
Speaker 3: And when I was watching that go down at the
Speaker 3: end of the debate, it really did bring back to
Speaker 3: me some of the research that's come out of the
Speaker 3: US that show that there is a portion of voters
Speaker 3: that are just craving normality, and they're craving convention, and
Speaker 3: they're craving civil discussion, and that clearly both camps see
Speaker 3: leaning into that as a way to actually gain more votes.
Speaker 3: I mean, we have to look at everything that happened
Speaker 3: now as an attempt to gain more votes. But it
Speaker 3: was good to see some of that civility come back
Speaker 3: into the way that the debate wrapped up. Emma, thanks
Speaker 3: so much for taking us through that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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