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Speaker 1: Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 3: the third of October.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sam, I'm emma.

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Speaker 3: Democrat Tim Waltz and Republican JD Vance have met for

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Speaker 3: what was expected to be their only vice presidential debate

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Speaker 3: ahead of the November election.

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Speaker 4: The VP hopefuls met in New York for a broadcast

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Speaker 4: lasting over ninety minutes, where the candidates debated issues from

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Speaker 4: the climate to the economy, immigration, abortion and gun rights,

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Speaker 4: as well as their plan to lead America as second

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Speaker 4: in command to the future president. Either Kamala Harris or Donald.

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Speaker 1: Trump will take you through what went.

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Speaker 4: Down in the debate in today's deep dive. But first Sam,

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Speaker 4: what's making headlines.

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Speaker 3: Police have charged a nineteen year old woman for allegedly

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Speaker 3: New South Wales police are making a legal bid in

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Speaker 4: More than one hundred and twenty people have come forward

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Speaker 4: alleging sexual misconduct by Sean Diddy Combs, the rapper and

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Speaker 4: Texas lawyer, Tony Busby has come forward, claiming some three thousand,

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Speaker 3: The UK has become the first major economy to end

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Speaker 4: And in today's good news, scientists are a step closer

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Speaker 4: diagnosis of conditions like cancer, diabetes and arthritis. According to

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Speaker 4: findings published in the journal Nature, researchers from the University

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Speaker 4: author of the research, Paul Beard, said the new tech

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Speaker 4: If you can believe it. But Sam, you were there

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Speaker 4: That's because he taught high school geography in his home

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Speaker 3: And so that brings us to the vice presidential debate

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