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Speaker 1: Put on your dance and shits.

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Speaker 2: Don't give me your best shop Fromma mea dot com

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Speaker 2: dota you. It's Emma Gillespie, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Well hello Emma. This is a fascinating one and on

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Speaker 1: the surface it looks like a social media spat, but

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Speaker 1: there's more to it than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little deeper than that. But we can

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Speaker 2: roll our eyes at some moments of this beef. Let's

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Speaker 2: get into it. Celeste bar but we all know her.

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Speaker 2: Australian comedian. She really blew up a few years ago,

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Speaker 2: and her whole stick has been on Instagram, you know,

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Speaker 2: posing in a spoof or a reappropriation of supermodels doing

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Speaker 2: their things.

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Speaker 1: So a girl in a bikini, legs apart, eating a

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Speaker 1: big pizza saying this is how my weekend's going, or.

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Speaker 2: A photo shoot with a leotard made of duct tape,

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And Celestia's you know, the every woman,

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Speaker 2: and she spoofs other unattainably beautiful women. One of those

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Speaker 2: women is m Rudder aka Emily Radakowski. This is radio.

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Speaker 2: We don't have time. We call her m Rudder. Okay,

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Speaker 2: she has.

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Speaker 1: She been flame, We have no time. She came to

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Speaker 1: fame as the in the Blurred Lines video.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so that Robin Thick song. She was like the

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Speaker 2: girl in the video. She's very beautiful. She is feminist

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Speaker 2: advocate as well. She's written a book, she does essays,

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Speaker 2: she has a podcast. She's very deep. She wants you

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Speaker 2: to know that she's more than just a beautiful face.

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Speaker 1: And passed on with Harry Styles recently.

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Speaker 2: She did recently kiss Harry Styles in Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: But she wants you to know. She's got a book.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, she's got a book about feminism. Anyway. She's

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Speaker 2: been fighting with Celeste Barber for many years because Celeste

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Speaker 2: has spoofed em Rada's pics and videos in a lot

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Speaker 2: of her posts. In twenty twenty one, though, it really

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Speaker 2: came to a head. Celeste recreated a video of em

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Speaker 2: Rada posing in a g string she was underwater shower,

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Speaker 2: and she posted it with the caption she said something

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Speaker 2: about women stop objectifying women's bodies. Sorry, but here's a

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Speaker 2: photo of my ass. So em took events to that, interesting,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, And then she called her out. There was

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Speaker 2: this big sort of i suppose, like a mini cancelation

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Speaker 2: of Celeste Barber for about a week or so, and

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Speaker 2: the conversation about internalized misogyny came out of that that

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Speaker 2: should women be being mean to other women because of

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Speaker 2: their bodies or should we be reducing women based on

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Speaker 2: how they present themselves or how clothed or scandally clad

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Speaker 2: they seem to be.

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Speaker 1: It's a big debate, isn't it that you know, we

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Speaker 1: look at models and assume they're done, and we look

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Speaker 1: at models and think you should put clothes on if

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Speaker 1: you want to be taken seriously? Should they have to exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is let's how you get more followers though.

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Speaker 2: You put a girl in a bikini, and then you

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Speaker 2: get more followed.

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Speaker 1: The job is to be a model. But she is saying,

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Speaker 1: I also am more than my bum, And what's wrong

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Speaker 1: if I show my bum and write a book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that there should be currency in both of those

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Speaker 2: things or all of those things. And I suppose it

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Speaker 2: was that, oh, the sisterhood feels let down. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is what the Internet was saying, that Celeste Barber

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Speaker 2: is sort of punching down and that isn't it easy

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Speaker 2: to make fun of women without their clothes on when

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Speaker 2: you know the world has big issues at play interesting.

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Speaker 2: Since then, they've just been I suppose enemies. M Rudd

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Speaker 2: blocked Celeste, But this week em Rutter has a podcast

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Speaker 2: it's called High Low, and em addressed the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: and she said it's been blown out of proportion, that

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Speaker 2: it was more about feminism than it was about Celeste,

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Speaker 2: that she doesn't necessarily have a problem with Celeste as

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Speaker 2: a person, but that she didn't really give her consent

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Speaker 2: to use those images, and that it was a very

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Speaker 2: specific time where she thinks that we love to pick

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Speaker 2: on female influences. They're considered, you know, the lamest, the lowest,

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Speaker 2: the most cringe, most embarrassing people on the planet, and

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Speaker 2: that fundamentally she finds that to be sexist, like that

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Speaker 2: women influencers are hustling, they're making money, they're successful, and

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Speaker 2: was that fair for Celest to be a part of.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like what is interesting, and what I

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Speaker 2: maybe haven't heard of in this argument before, is that

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Speaker 2: she didn't give her consent to use those images, and

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Speaker 2: then maybe Celeste has repurposed her images and has profited

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Speaker 2: off them. What do you think in comedy it's always

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Speaker 2: a sort of gray area here, But that's.

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Speaker 1: Part of satire.

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Speaker 2: But it's like us using any of the stuff from

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Speaker 2: a cart affair or anything that we do on this

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Speaker 2: radio show and giving them money for it. And I

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Speaker 2: guess what is fair or christ for the meal?

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Speaker 1: But also with those images put up by m Rata

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Speaker 1: on her socials, because then, yes, they are public property.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's out there, it's out there, true, I guess, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I suppose that we get so caught up in the

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Speaker 2: Oh look there's the two women fighting each other argument

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Speaker 2: that I hadn't even considered that. Well, yeah, Celeste Barber

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Speaker 2: has millions of followers. If she's resharing Emrata's images and

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Speaker 2: making money, that's right.

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Speaker 1: She puts her image up as well. But if it's

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Speaker 1: on social media, I think it's it's public property. But

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Speaker 1: I wonder what this is for the bigger picture of

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Speaker 1: Celeste Barber's act, such as it is. Yeah, because once

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Speaker 1: you start thinking like that, you go, well, does em

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Speaker 1: Rata have a point exactly?

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Speaker 2: And has been several years that Celeste's been doing the

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Speaker 2: same thing. She's obviously a hugely successful and famous comedian.

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Speaker 2: Now she has a Netflix show, stand up specials. She

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Speaker 2: has definitely diversified. I suppose what it is that she does.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of her critics have kind of pointed out,

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Speaker 2: kind of pointed out that, you know, maybe she needs

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Speaker 2: to switch up the act. Maybe she needs to stop

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Speaker 2: doing the same old trick. Well maybe she said start

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Speaker 2: spoofing people like the rock a noisy when they're bench pressing.

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Speaker 2: Time someone went for the rock because you look at Noolsey,

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Speaker 2: he's bench pressing a car block, an engine car block,

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Speaker 2: and good on, he is a National Treasury.

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Speaker 1: Hands off nosy. Hasn't he been through or nothing?

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Speaker 2: You say anything about nosy?

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Speaker 1: You say it to me, I think we are. I'm

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Speaker 1: part of the noisy gang.

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Speaker 2: What about me?

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Speaker 1: Well done?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: That's when you've got what we aim for. That nothing.

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Speaker 1: You got a coffee?

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Speaker 2: Coffee? Do you a coffee and a cuddle?

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Speaker 1: Chellsie, mom me dot com dot a you