Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch.
Speaker 3: Up podcast, Sweeties, Douce per Favor and Tell a French
Speaker 3: Tell a Friend that Flex and Frooms are running for
Speaker 3: president twenty forty eight.
Speaker 2: Not sure if Biden mentioned it, but this is Flex.
Speaker 1: And Frooms on Cater. Last week we posted a video
Speaker 1: on the internet about HR and how HR is a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: This is from my own brain. I need to preface
Speaker 1: it by saying I'm not speaking about my personal experience
Speaker 1: at Cater, but in experiences more generally. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with people in culture at Cater. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I pose the concept that HR is not there to
Speaker 1: help the employer. HR is there to help the employer.
Speaker 1: Tell you why hundreds of thousands of views, rapturous applause
Speaker 1: in the comments section, Okay, most of the comments. I
Speaker 1: will say, we're a men's sister type thing. Slay, the
Speaker 1: boots down of the category of Amen's sister, all that
Speaker 1: kind of nonsense. Running Someone said the other day, is
Speaker 1: Amen like sligh? She was like, oh man, it's neither
Speaker 1: here nor theirth always it.
Speaker 2: I would say it is here, and.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it. Heymen, I thought damn.
Speaker 2: You said, not a teachable moment. Please continue.
Speaker 1: It's not my cross to bear.
Speaker 2: Put it that way.
Speaker 1: Nice. There was some conjecture in my comments, I'll put
Speaker 1: it that way. But my favorite comment on this video
Speaker 1: was hr is the companies what property managers are to landlords?
Speaker 1: Can I get a sleigh on that sleigh? Other people
Speaker 1: will like to me, this is so obvious, like dr
Speaker 1: someone said to me DURR, and I happened to reply
Speaker 1: to the DIR. Yeah. Look, I don't know if a
Speaker 1: reply thought, but this one hit me different because I
Speaker 1: thought it's not DIR. Actually, I didn't know about this
Speaker 1: until I knew about it, That's what I replied. And
Speaker 1: I think I'm happy to put my back out, get
Speaker 1: my pointers out. I was pointing as well, which I
Speaker 1: think is quite unbecoming of a young woman. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was fired up. However, if there is ever a
Speaker 1: legal crisis, perhaps an unfair dismissal, or you have experienced
Speaker 1: some untoward behavior, it's always good to get a second
Speaker 1: opinion for free as part of your union, as long
Speaker 1: as you pay a yearly subscription fee. Am I part
Speaker 1: of the union right now? No? Because I'm a boss.
Speaker 3: I need you to if you just hustle and got together,
Speaker 3: this would impact you.
Speaker 1: Through MENO, through me, boommmy lexmm.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Flex and Frooms on kit.
Speaker 3: Never in my whole entire life did I think I'd
Speaker 3: be having this conversation on air in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: and especially not to a group and a demographic of adults.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I need you to listen to this TikTok.
Speaker 3: Need you to say out loud what is wrong with it?
Speaker 2: Right after? Don't wait for my prompting.
Speaker 1: Okay. You know how I let men pick me up
Speaker 1: for a date, even men that I meet online, And
Speaker 1: the way that I feel comfortable is that I make
Speaker 1: them send me their driver's license.
Speaker 4: I just a city about this last week, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, these guys are suddenly.
Speaker 1: Not wanting to give their driver's license to me. I
Speaker 1: swear in going on so many dates where so many
Speaker 1: guys text me their license. I've maybe had two guys
Speaker 1: say no, they're not going to send me their license,
Speaker 1: and I just don't go on a date with them.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic idea.
Speaker 2: This is sickening.
Speaker 1: Stranger danger is a real thing.
Speaker 3: I fear that the conversation about equity and equality and
Speaker 3: heterosexual dating has found itself in a very fantastical place. Okay,
Speaker 3: anyone you meet on a dating app that you don't
Speaker 3: know is a stranger.
Speaker 1: Stranger danger. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And although we have normalized interactions with rangers, basing safety
Speaker 3: and security on things like, oh, but they dress well
Speaker 3: and they're hot, and they're hot, and we like to
Speaker 3: go to the same places. That is not effective. Am
Speaker 3: I saying not to online date? That's not saying that
Speaker 3: at all. No, not saying that at all. What I
Speaker 3: am saying is you're not in your hypergamy dating up
Speaker 3: bag because you can get a guy to drive from
Speaker 3: his house to your house to take you on a date.
Speaker 1: What's hypergamy?
Speaker 3: Hypergamy is dating up, you know, dating luxuriously, or picking
Speaker 3: a partner primarily for what they can offer you.
Speaker 2: You know, materially sounds good to me.
Speaker 3: People like to brag like, oh my god, he didn't
Speaker 3: pick you up, he didn't pick you up. No, because
Speaker 3: I don't know that man.
Speaker 2: And then you say, what about Uber? What about Uber?
Speaker 3: There is a whole system in place. You think Uber
Speaker 3: wants the legal ramifications of you're not getting to A
Speaker 3: and B safely. No, get yourself to and from your dates.
Speaker 3: It's the very least you can do. Meet in a
Speaker 3: public area.
Speaker 2: Suss ot the exit.
Speaker 3: It's on your own advocate for your own safety. You
Speaker 3: having this image is giving you such a futile illusion
Speaker 3: that like danger suddenly disappears because you have a driver's license.
Speaker 3: People go through dangerous situations, have the CCTV footage, sixty
Speaker 3: five witnesses, and you know a written witness statement, and
Speaker 3: still don't get the help they need. Your image isn't
Speaker 3: saving you from what's happening.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I've told you this before, Flakes. I don't
Speaker 1: like it when guys want to add me on Instagram
Speaker 1: while we're talking on an app. But let's say I
Speaker 1: get it my way and we stay on the app
Speaker 1: until we've met. People can easily if they do something untoward,
Speaker 1: you just delete everything and then you can't find them.
Speaker 1: Like this is something that happens often in cases where
Speaker 1: untoward things are done, the person who did the untoward
Speaker 1: thing can simply block you. And it's very hard.
Speaker 2: But it's with every situation.
Speaker 3: Like I understand inviting more safety precautions, but you are
Speaker 3: introducing this minor safety precaution and inviting a a big one.
Speaker 1: I think it's a massive Having someone's licenses you got
Speaker 1: with they live.
Speaker 3: Nothing about you. Being in a car with this strange
Speaker 3: person is a better safety precaution than you're just not
Speaker 3: being in their car at all and meeting in a
Speaker 3: common place with cameras and witnesses and people who can
Speaker 3: test to your existence.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea.
Speaker 3: Did you also hear when she said that once she
Speaker 3: had made that statement on the internet, suddenly guys don't
Speaker 3: want to send their licenses to them. I think that,
Speaker 3: like the safety you think it's affording you is no
Speaker 3: more less dangerous than the reality of what you're doing anyway,
Speaker 3: Like whether or not you have the license, you're getting
Speaker 3: in this car regardless. Just meet at the date, whether
Speaker 3: or not they can delete or not delete, because what
Speaker 3: the way that she's framed these videos. This is my
Speaker 3: number one tip. Always get the guy to pick you up,
Speaker 3: like it's like on that like bad bitch, Like you know,
Speaker 3: don't go to the date yourself, like we don't do that.
Speaker 3: Ladies like you have to buy your makeup and buy
Speaker 3: or whatever. They should pick you up. They should not because,
Speaker 3: like I said, for all these things that you're registering
Speaker 3: as like signals that this is a good person, it's
Speaker 3: not real.
Speaker 1: Protect yourselves, I will say. The only guys that want
Speaker 1: to pick yours up on ones that have BMW's, specifically
Speaker 1: that car. My friend went on a date the other
Speaker 1: day and the guy insisted on picking her up, but
Speaker 1: it was an issue because she lives at her parents house.
Speaker 1: So they were both at a stalemate and he refused
Speaker 1: to not pick her up.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, because you have an M three wait for
Speaker 3: the Netflix documentary.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Flex and Rooms on Kaita.
Speaker 3: Is being a celebrity a title that you're given or
Speaker 3: a title that you can give yourself. That's the question
Speaker 3: we're answering today on Flex and Rooms. Julia Fox, known
Speaker 3: as Friend, Uncles, Uncut Jams, has recently come out and
Speaker 3: says she doesn't identify as a celebrity.
Speaker 4: Listen to this, like, I don't identify as a celebrity.
Speaker 4: This was all very accidental. I didn't like set out
Speaker 4: like I want to be an actress. I'm going to
Speaker 4: get an agent and note that actually fell in my
Speaker 4: lab like this life chose me, you know, so like
Speaker 4: I'm just showing up for it at the best to
Speaker 4: my abilities. I can like pretty much do anything in
Speaker 4: a weird way. I just do it, and I feel
Speaker 4: like that's actually what more people should be like.
Speaker 3: I can understand not self identifying as a thing you
Speaker 3: don't want to claim. For example, back in the days
Speaker 3: when I was just a DJ and a TV presenter,
Speaker 3: I was like, no, those are my two things. I'm
Speaker 3: not an influencer. I'm those two things. It's like, you
Speaker 3: can't choose your perception. It's out of your control. Your
Speaker 3: perception is what other people perceive. Therefore, if they say
Speaker 3: you are, you must be. To a point, I think
Speaker 3: it can be trickering someone in a position like Julia.
Speaker 3: Let's define celebrity.
Speaker 1: Define celebrity.
Speaker 3: The definition of a celebrity is a famous person.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's a whole other word.
Speaker 3: And given that the idea of fame and who gets
Speaker 3: to be famous is convoluted due to the fact that
Speaker 3: we get to idolize people in a far closer way.
Speaker 3: You know, you can go to your favorite athletes TikTok
Speaker 3: and feel like you know them, or go to your
Speaker 3: favorite chess players TikTok and feel like you know them,
Speaker 3: or the fact that people can be famous in niche spaces.
Speaker 3: I can understand saying it's not something that I was
Speaker 3: on a path to acquire, and therefore I don't resonate with.
Speaker 2: How people perceive celebrities.
Speaker 3: It's such a futile statement to make, given the space
Speaker 3: that she takes up and the space that she occupies.
Speaker 1: I also think that, like, I never trust anyone who's
Speaker 1: an actar that says, oh, like I just fell into it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you've auditioned for something. If you've ever
Speaker 1: auditioned for something, you'll know how hard that is. That's hard.
Speaker 1: You don't just fall into that. It's like I remember
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I really wanted to go to
Speaker 1: nider at school, Like like, oh shit, how do I
Speaker 1: I do it? Reading up all of it, about all
Speaker 1: these stories and like I don't want to name the acticts.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it was him, but he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I was just out for a surf and then
Speaker 1: I just thought I'd like go in an audition. I'm like, babe,
Speaker 1: the stuff that you need to prepare that's a lie.
Speaker 1: And I don't like it when these actors like say, oh,
Speaker 1: I just fell into it, because I feel like it
Speaker 1: degrades the fact that it's a skill and the fact that,
Speaker 1: like you do have to actually work hard to become
Speaker 1: a famous actor, like be serious.
Speaker 3: These are the discussions we need to have in conjunction
Speaker 3: with being post labeling things. If we, as an individual
Speaker 3: want to be regarded as an individual, then we need
Speaker 3: to be aware of the contradictions we make when trying
Speaker 3: to separate ourselves from the thing we're being perceived as.
Speaker 3: I can't be on the internet doing what influencers do
Speaker 3: and being perceived as an influencer and then be confused
Speaker 3: when someone's like, hey, aren't you an influencer? Yeah, or
Speaker 3: if you're not adjusted. It also makes me think how
Speaker 3: much power or agency does an individual have to just
Speaker 3: decide who they are in the eyes of everybody else.
Speaker 3: Just because Julia Fox says today I'm not a celebrity,
Speaker 3: does that make it true?
Speaker 1: It's not really up to the individual to degree we
Speaker 1: decide FLEXI that day, I went to go get myself
Speaker 1: a juice, a juice beverage, or perhaps a smoothie. We
Speaker 1: will keep that under wraps. Because what I'm about to
Speaker 1: say is potentially incriminating. I want to go get myself
Speaker 1: a juice. I'm starving. I'm a ravenous in the morning.
Speaker 1: Need my juice now, Betty kneed juice. The chick takes
Speaker 1: my order up at the cash register. Gloves on. Yep,
Speaker 1: that'd be thirteen dollars and ninety five cents. Why are
Speaker 1: her fingers tapping the phone? Why her fingers tapping the
Speaker 1: f BOS machine? I thought, you know what, maybe she'll
Speaker 1: take the gloves off and then go and make the smoothie.
Speaker 1: Why does she then go touching the cash register all
Speaker 1: the way back to grab the banana, grab the protein,
Speaker 1: put it into the thing, put the lid on it, give.
Speaker 2: It to me a second. If the gloves are clean.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying it's bad food safety.
Speaker 1: Pre That is food safety practice one oh one. What
Speaker 1: not to do is use the gloves on the cash
Speaker 1: register into making me my premium large smoothie juice.
Speaker 3: So what you're advocating for is that she take this
Speaker 3: single use plastic off before she make you your smoothie.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I actually would.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get no gloves for the register.
Speaker 2: Gloves on for the fruit, for the food prep.
Speaker 1: What I would mostly prefer. If we're thinking about plastic
Speaker 1: use tippity tappity, go wash your hands, give it a
Speaker 1: thirty second wash. Make the juice.
Speaker 2: Then again, dermatitis stick yourself.
Speaker 1: I have dermatitis because I'm that clean. I'm serious, guys,
Speaker 1: look at the dermatitis that's giving clean Girl era clean
Speaker 1: Girl e.
Speaker 2: Skin hand is falling off Cleaner Era.
Speaker 1: But seriously, I have a problem with this. I drank
Speaker 1: it anyway, as I said, I was starving ravenous, and
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm ravenous. I'm not going to be grumpy
Speaker 1: about this. I just took my juice.
Speaker 2: What would it take for you to say something.
Speaker 1: I have exited my Karen in public era for multiple reasons.
Speaker 1: For the optics, Oh, purely optics. I feel everything inside.
Speaker 1: It hasn't gone away. I didn't say anything. I have
Speaker 1: to dodger the time about it. At the time I went
Speaker 1: to a sandwich artist establishment. This is about twenty years ago, so.
Speaker 2: Literally we knew you were old.
Speaker 1: The chick tariachy chicken, okay, with the cheddar cheese. Why
Speaker 1: does she put it in the oven?
Speaker 2: Takes it out of the oven.
Speaker 1: It flips under her arm, cheese and keriachy chicken, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna arm.
Speaker 3: She's got a third degree burn, making you a whatich
Speaker 3: you're about to complain?
Speaker 2: What will happen next? Flaps it back.
Speaker 1: I had to say something. I said, listen, what did
Speaker 1: you took it away? I'm a school child, take it away?
Speaker 1: I better go back in. I said, I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: in you And that dropped in your arm?
Speaker 2: Be serious? Serious?
Speaker 1: What's your arm? This hair on the arm? There was
Speaker 1: a hair on her arm, like it was one of
Speaker 1: the would like. That's a core memory. I mean, still
Speaker 1: think about it twenty years on serious guys, you weren't
Speaker 1: joking about twenty years too.
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