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Speaker 1: We know that.

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Speaker 2: Just last month, the Property Council of Australia's Northern Territory branch,

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Speaker 1: That survey of.

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Speaker 2: More than two hundred Northern Territory business operators confirm negative

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Speaker 2: having a huge impact on their day to day operations

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Speaker 2: and the need for urgent, effective measures to ensure community

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Speaker 2: Ruth Palmer.

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Speaker 1: Joins me in the studio. Good morning to your Ruth.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show now, Ruth, the

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Speaker 2: results painted a pretty grim picture just a month ago.

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Speaker 2: How do you think the election over the weekend now

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Speaker 2: sort of I guess reshapes that discussion for the incoming government.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right, Katie.

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Speaker 4: So that was the second year that we had done

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Speaker 4: that survey because we wanted to track the trends of

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Speaker 4: sort of the sentiment that's out there among business, but

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Speaker 4: also what is occurring at those premises, like so you know,

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Speaker 4: people being spat on, physically assaulted, the amount of break ins,

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Speaker 4: ram raids, stolen vehicles, so these are things that we

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Speaker 4: to work with her around you know, some of those

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Speaker 3: Government and if you are doing the wrong thing, you

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Speaker 2: I mean, the issue of crime has had such a

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Speaker 2: people sort of being spat on even you know, I've

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Speaker 1: A lot of you know, really kind of serious anti.

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Speaker 2: Social behavior issues in addition to criminal behavior in some instances.

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Speaker 1: From you know, from that last survey that you did.

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Speaker 1: The way in which things were going.

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Speaker 4: They'd already put their high on their market and bought elsewhere,

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Speaker 4: So Dad and Alee Springs, there's about three hundred homes

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think the first parliament you would expect

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Speaker 3: Able to charge those people.

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Speaker 4: You know, they can move them on, but you know,

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Speaker 3: And that's something that needs to come back. Obviously.

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Speaker 4: Are you know, ram rating for you know, no reason

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Speaker 4: Big issue there. So you know that toughest sentencing around

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Speaker 4: Going into those the obvious causes around why those behaviors

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Speaker 2: In terms of you know, some of the other things

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know that's a big investment piece. So

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Speaker 3: But then where are they going to stay?

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Speaker 3: What is the CBD's purpose.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of closed offices and we

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Speaker 4: really need to see that place active as well, because

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Speaker 4: that's something we don't want to see because Alice Springs

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Speaker 4: has huge potential and it should.

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Speaker 3: Be it has perhaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the disappointing part I think at the

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Speaker 2: we've we've had a rough patch.

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Speaker 1: We've had a really rough patch.

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Speaker 2: And I think people have got a lot of good

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Speaker 2: to have to get cracking fast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think people are still committed to seeing

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Speaker 4: people still have businesses here, local territorians. You know, they're

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Speaker 4: still putting their hands in their back pockets and putting

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Speaker 4: You know, these are things that you know, we've got

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Speaker 4: we've kept you know, territorians have stayed like they've weather

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Speaker 4: the future going to look like?

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Speaker 3: And you know, what are the opportunities? Is that defense?

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Speaker 4: Is that agriculture, you know, is what is the actual

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Speaker 2: To drive it but also drive that population growth. Well,

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Speaker 2: road's always good to catch up with you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so very much for your time this morning, and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to again soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Katie,