1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,480
Speaker 1: Yesterday on the show, we told you about concerns which

2
00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,400
Speaker 1: had been raised with us by the Binjari Aboriginal Corporation.

3
00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,560
Speaker 1: Plenty of you will know, but for those of you

4
00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600
Speaker 1: who don't, Binjari is a small community. It's about fifteen

5
00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,520
Speaker 1: minutes from Catherine down the Victoria Highway and the Binjari

6
00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,720
Speaker 1: Community Aboriginal Corporation. Over the past decade they've undertaken building

7
00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,840
Speaker 1: work for the Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Logistics for

8
00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Government, successfully running a building and construction

9
00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,960
Speaker 1: business and completing many projects, they say, using Indigenous employees,

10
00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,720
Speaker 1: including contracts in other Aboriginal communities as well as Binjari.

11
00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,920
Speaker 1: But the organizations say that they are at risk of

12
00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,640
Speaker 1: falling over due to unpaid invoices and continual delays caused

13
00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,479
Speaker 1: by dipple bureaucracy and inefficiencies. Now joining us on the

14
00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:54,960
Speaker 1: line is CEO of the Binjari Community Aboriginal Corporation, Deborah Aloyec.

15
00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,800
Speaker 2: Good morning to you, deb Good morning Katie, Thanks so

16
00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:01,360
Speaker 2: much much for your time this morning.

17
00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,960
Speaker 1: Now, can you first tell me a little bit about

18
00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,200
Speaker 1: the Binjari Community Oboriginal Corporation.

19
00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,480
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I want I want the public

20
00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,520
Speaker 3: to know is that Binjari have never received one dollar

21
00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,280
Speaker 3: of taxpayers money. No funding has ever come to the

22
00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,640
Speaker 3: community in over a decade since I've returned, they've gone out,

23
00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,200
Speaker 3: They've sourced their own income, and the board is very,

24
00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,479
Speaker 3: very proud of that that they don't have to rely

25
00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,440
Speaker 3: on taxpayers money, unlike many other organizations that get millions

26
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,759
Speaker 3: per year. And now we've sort of hit a brick

27
00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:42,880
Speaker 3: wall with Dipple with they're just they're just so inefficient.

28
00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,960
Speaker 3: They're delays, they're constant delays, which are silly delays that

29
00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,520
Speaker 3: can be sort of could have been sorted out within

30
00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,880
Speaker 3: ten minutes. They're not engaging with us at all. We

31
00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 3: normally have a fortnightly meeting with Dipple to discuss about,

32
00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,279
Speaker 3: you know, the the buildings that we're doing, because currently

33
00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,200
Speaker 3: we're to be building in four different communities and these

34
00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,960
Speaker 3: the last four or five have been canceled. So they're

35
00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,519
Speaker 3: not even engaging with If we even had a Dipple

36
00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,840
Speaker 3: employer come out to have a look at Binjari's room

37
00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,280
Speaker 3: to breathe popped into the office, signed the name, went

38
00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,280
Speaker 3: back and sat in the car, never even sort of

39
00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,920
Speaker 3: said hello, went to the homes that they needed to

40
00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,160
Speaker 3: look at, and when they came back to sign out,

41
00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,920
Speaker 3: they never even got out of the vehicle again. The

42
00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,720
Speaker 3: anti housing rep came in and spoke to us and

43
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,480
Speaker 3: told us what they were doing, and off she went.

44
00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,800
Speaker 3: But the Dipple rep never came in into the office

45
00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,920
Speaker 3: at all on their way out, so they're not even

46
00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,160
Speaker 3: they're not even talking to it.

47
00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,240
Speaker 1: So what exactly is the situation right now? You know,

48
00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,440
Speaker 1: by that statement that I read yesterday, it seems like

49
00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,560
Speaker 1: you are awaiting payment on some projects which have already

50
00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,320
Speaker 1: been delivered.

51
00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,079
Speaker 2: Is that the case?

52
00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,240
Speaker 3: That's correct. We've we've we've got five outstanding invoices. I

53
00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,280
Speaker 3: don't know what's happened, but we've we've got one one

54
00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,280
Speaker 3: subcontractor that we do owe quite a bit of money to. Unfortunately,

55
00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,360
Speaker 3: there was confusion over that invoice and I had to

56
00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,480
Speaker 3: wait for the owner to return so that I could

57
00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840
Speaker 3: sit down and go through it, which we did do,

58
00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200
Speaker 3: and we've always put that on our subcontractors list that

59
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,400
Speaker 3: it was still outstanding. We never did the fact that

60
00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 3: we hadn't paid it. Once we've sorted it out and

61
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,720
Speaker 3: we've reconciled the account. I made an agreement with the

62
00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,440
Speaker 3: subcontractor who's worked with us for many many years, that

63
00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,480
Speaker 3: we would pay that off in installments as I didn't

64
00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,480
Speaker 3: have the full amount. Yep, because we've had no we

65
00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,560
Speaker 3: had no work from UH I think the middle of March,

66
00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,440
Speaker 3: as people have just been causing delays, delays where we

67
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,480
Speaker 3: were supposed to We built two new builds in Binjari

68
00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160
Speaker 3: and we were to move on to our Binjari's Room

69
00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,760
Speaker 3: to breathe straight away. That of course didn't take place.

70
00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,640
Speaker 3: It still hasn't take place, hasn't taken place because of

71
00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,240
Speaker 3: the stupid brick walls that they're putting up in the

72
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,719
Speaker 3: excuses that it can't go forward, they've said because we

73
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,720
Speaker 3: haven't paid that subcontractor. Even though he's given a declaration

74
00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,120
Speaker 3: to what was own and so on, they still haven't

75
00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,200
Speaker 3: paid the money. I asked the director who came out

76
00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,680
Speaker 3: and had a meeting with me, a director of DIPPLE,

77
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,839
Speaker 3: if they were going to pay that subcontractor from the

78
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,240
Speaker 3: money that they were withholding from us. They said no,

79
00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,840
Speaker 3: so they're just holding the money. I haven't received it,

80
00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,880
Speaker 3: the subcontractor hasn't received it.

81
00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,159
Speaker 1: Are you able to say at this point and you

82
00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,120
Speaker 1: know if it's not something that you're able to disclose,

83
00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,719
Speaker 1: But are you able to say how much money has

84
00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,920
Speaker 1: been unpaid at this.

85
00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,680
Speaker 3: Point, I think it's around the three hundred and forty

86
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,960
Speaker 3: six thousand dollars.

87
00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,600
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of money for an organization like

88
00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,560
Speaker 1: you guys.

89
00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,440
Speaker 3: Exactly, especially when we receive no other funding. I've had

90
00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,400
Speaker 3: to stand down fifteen Indigenous boys that work on our

91
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,920
Speaker 3: building program. I've had to stand down all our trade tradees.

92
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,119
Speaker 3: I've got one of our building supervisors out at Looka

93
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,000
Speaker 3: now not getting paid because he's there just to secure

94
00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,920
Speaker 3: our building camp out there, which costs us a quarter

95
00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,120
Speaker 3: of a million dollars to set up because look Or

96
00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,440
Speaker 3: was a big is a big building contract. So he's

97
00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,400
Speaker 3: just sitting there guarding the place because so it doesn't

98
00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,120
Speaker 3: get vandalized or trashed. And he's been out there for

99
00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,520
Speaker 3: months and months, not getting paid, just sitting there waiting

100
00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,720
Speaker 3: and still there, just dipples, just just not coming in,

101
00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,719
Speaker 3: just making excuses continuously and not even municating. And they're

102
00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,760
Speaker 3: talking to me, they're not I've tried to ring the

103
00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,520
Speaker 3: people I need to speak are never in the office.

104
00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,760
Speaker 3: I've actually gone to the Government Center again and they've

105
00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,600
Speaker 3: come back and said that again they weren't in the office,

106
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,000
Speaker 3: so that they don't even want to engage with us

107
00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:18,440
Speaker 3: at all.

108
00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,560
Speaker 1: So Dipple have sent us through a statement. The department

109
00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,560
Speaker 1: sent us through a statement. They've said that in line

110
00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,159
Speaker 1: with their payment policy, with the Northern Territory Government Payment Policy,

111
00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,080
Speaker 1: the Department is committed to paying all invoices under one

112
00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,880
Speaker 1: million dollars within twenty days of receiving the invoice unless

113
00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,960
Speaker 1: there's a dispute over the account. They reckon that the

114
00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,599
Speaker 1: departments issued Binjari a notice of default due to a

115
00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,120
Speaker 1: suspected breach of obligations under the contract.

116
00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,560
Speaker 2: Do you reckon that that is that subbi that's not been.

117
00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,920
Speaker 3: Paid exactly, That's exactly what it is. But we've given

118
00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,200
Speaker 3: them a declaration and we've broken to the stubby and

119
00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,760
Speaker 3: we've made an agreement. So that to me and I

120
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,320
Speaker 3: sent that in writing to the superintendent and explained why

121
00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,719
Speaker 3: that wasn't paid help and that the arrangements had been

122
00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,760
Speaker 3: made to do it. See, what they don't understand is

123
00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,600
Speaker 3: we project, because we have no other funding, and we

124
00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,840
Speaker 3: project that this is the income we're getting in from

125
00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,920
Speaker 3: these four contracts, four communities that we're building on that

126
00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,080
Speaker 3: we know that when we do the room to breed,

127
00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,320
Speaker 3: we'll get progress payments and therefore we can start paying

128
00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,720
Speaker 3: off the subcontractor that we owe the money too. And

129
00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,360
Speaker 3: he obviously trusted us and it's quite happy to express

130
00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,600
Speaker 3: that arrangement. But Dipple's not now. I mean, when you

131
00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,200
Speaker 3: project that you're going to get X amount of dollars

132
00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,880
Speaker 3: coming in over a period of time to make to

133
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,280
Speaker 3: pay your creditors and your subcontractors, it works. And I

134
00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 3: mean we have done it for well over a decade

135
00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,800
Speaker 3: and never missed a payment on anybody. And because of

136
00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,720
Speaker 3: their delays of further work and we haven't had any

137
00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:08,120
Speaker 3: actual work since March March April. Of course, that income's

138
00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320
Speaker 3: not coming in Katie yea, so we can't and of course,

139
00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,520
Speaker 3: and the money that we did have, like our cash

140
00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,320
Speaker 3: flow become critical is just keeping the community open, like

141
00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,080
Speaker 3: for me to come in and two girls to come

142
00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440
Speaker 3: into the office. I mean, there's two hundred and forty

143
00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,120
Speaker 3: people on the community and the people that need assistance,

144
00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, every day all day, and you need to

145
00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,440
Speaker 3: have that social interaction on the community otherwise the community

146
00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,120
Speaker 3: just will go to pieces. There be nothing here, so

147
00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,959
Speaker 3: dead we destroyed.

148
00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're too from here.

149
00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean that wasn't the Prime Minister just in Binjari

150
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,520
Speaker 1: a bit earlier this year announcing four billion.

151
00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,080
Speaker 3: Dollars Yep, that's correct, had a wonderful photoshoot with us,

152
00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 3: never even had the time to I mean I did

153
00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,200
Speaker 3: ask the Forward party, would you have time to sit

154
00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,160
Speaker 3: down with our board to go through some issues that

155
00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,760
Speaker 3: we had promised me that he would. Unfortunately, he came out,

156
00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 3: had his great photo shoot and his big announcement, and

157
00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,120
Speaker 3: then drove straight out of the community. So I did

158
00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,960
Speaker 3: speak to Linda Bernie for about fifteen minutes. I mean,

159
00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,800
Speaker 3: then she had to sort of lead that meeting because

160
00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,360
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister was arriving on the community, so she

161
00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,680
Speaker 3: walked away. I did get a lovely letter from her

162
00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,400
Speaker 3: thankiness for hosting him, and that's the last I heard.

163
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,000
Speaker 2: So where too from here?

164
00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you've tried speaking to the Northern Territory

165
00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,360
Speaker 1: and federal governments. I mean, the Department said to us

166
00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,240
Speaker 1: that you know that they are, that they are committed.

167
00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,560
Speaker 1: I believe I'm just trying to find the right words.

168
00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,560
Speaker 1: They've said that they're committed to continuing or to work

169
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,560
Speaker 1: with the Binjari Community Aboriginal Corporation to resolve these issues

170
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,199
Speaker 1: as a matter of urgency. I mean, that's what they've said.

171
00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,520
Speaker 1: Does it feel like that at the moment, No, it doesn't.

172
00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,640
Speaker 3: I had a meeting with the director on the on

173
00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 3: the sixteenth of May. I waited for a response. All

174
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,720
Speaker 3: I got back was the minutes of the meeting that

175
00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,600
Speaker 3: I had. I then wrote back on the twentieth the May,

176
00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,080
Speaker 3: asking them to give us some options so that we

177
00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,800
Speaker 3: can move ahead with the contracts. And to this day

178
00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,880
Speaker 3: I have never received a response, never received response from

179
00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,120
Speaker 3: her at all. And that's the twentieth of May. Katie, Well,

180
00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:34,920
Speaker 3: I still waiting.

181
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,920
Speaker 1: Well, look, I hope that by speaking to us this morning,

182
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean they've gotten in contact with us Stipple about this.

183
00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,800
Speaker 1: They've provided to the statement. I hope that it does

184
00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,080
Speaker 1: mean that there's going to be some movement for you guys.

185
00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,200
Speaker 1: Deb Let me just ask you, because look, we have

186
00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,520
Speaker 1: been speaking about you know, different indigenous organizations and some

187
00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,400
Speaker 1: of the concerns you know, with very different kinds of

188
00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,000
Speaker 1: organizations like NAJA for example. But you know, are you

189
00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,840
Speaker 1: expecting there to be different rules here? For the Binjari

190
00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,679
Speaker 1: community oboriginal corporation to what there are for other organizations

191
00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,200
Speaker 1: operating around the territory.

192
00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,760
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, because we're not we don't we don't fall

193
00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,720
Speaker 3: into one of the big shires. We're under the Catherine

194
00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,480
Speaker 3: Town Council with the shires or the office, the actual

195
00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,520
Speaker 3: office of those communities are funded through the shire. Binjari

196
00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,439
Speaker 3: doesn't get that opportunity from the Caston Town Council because

197
00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000
Speaker 3: I believe they tell me they're a municipal, they're not

198
00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,880
Speaker 3: a shire. So we have to take I mean I

199
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,040
Speaker 3: take on anything that can bring money into the community.

200
00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,720
Speaker 3: We're a post office agency, we're a Senlink agent. We

201
00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,040
Speaker 3: do a tendency management contract with empty housing, wonderful people.

202
00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,959
Speaker 3: We work extremely well with the empty housing. I believe

203
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,240
Speaker 3: all the buildings should go back to them and let

204
00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:59,160
Speaker 3: people look after the roads and planning. They're just so incompetent.

205
00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,120
Speaker 3: We do a CDP out here with a with a

206
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,400
Speaker 3: service provider Rise in Arannglan which is Rise and Jarwin.

207
00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,360
Speaker 3: We have a fifty four reasons do a back on

208
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,160
Speaker 3: track program down the bottom camp. We've got Cattomtown Council.

209
00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,439
Speaker 3: We subcontract all the work that we can possibly do

210
00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,800
Speaker 3: here for ourselves through Catsontown Council. We did have a

211
00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,400
Speaker 3: clinic here, but unfortunately that's closed. There's so many service

212
00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:34,800
Speaker 3: providers that come out here and use Binjari. I say,

213
00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,800
Speaker 3: to tick the box and all that will be lost.

214
00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it will just be I don't know where

215
00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:48,320
Speaker 3: the years ago there was a a program done on

216
00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,720
Speaker 3: Bingjari where they call it Village of the Damned. I

217
00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,800
Speaker 3: believe that this will go to number two. And I've

218
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,880
Speaker 3: sort of told that to the government, that this is

219
00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,080
Speaker 3: what will happen, because there will be no here to,

220
00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,080
Speaker 3: you know, to sort of bring the community together and

221
00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,320
Speaker 3: what have you, and because we get no funding. And

222
00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,720
Speaker 3: on top of that, I mean, this is not the

223
00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,880
Speaker 3: first time we've had problem with dipples. We've had a

224
00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,319
Speaker 3: clinic down the bottom, camp Katie. This is the best

225
00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,440
Speaker 3: they and they sort of said to me. I heard

226
00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,280
Speaker 3: a whisper that they were going to bulldoze it down.

227
00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,760
Speaker 3: So I contact the Dipple and I said, what's happening

228
00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,000
Speaker 3: with that clinic down the bottom. They told me that

229
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,720
Speaker 3: Worley didn't want it any longer. And I said, but

230
00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,280
Speaker 3: you haven't spoken to our board.

231
00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:32,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

232
00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,880
Speaker 3: And oh, we were going to bulldoze it down. I went,

233
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,080
Speaker 3: hang on a minute, we own that, and you haven't

234
00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,840
Speaker 3: even spoken to our board. A triple employer came out

235
00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:48,000
Speaker 3: straight away took me down there. I was absolutely mortified

236
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,439
Speaker 3: at what they had done. They had stripped every air conditioner,

237
00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,439
Speaker 3: every fan. They were taking the cupboards apart, and I

238
00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,640
Speaker 3: aren't swear the air conditions. Are these holes in the ceiling?

239
00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I've sent you some photos. Is absolutely shocking,

240
00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,400
Speaker 3: and I think I've been arguing with Gibble for two

241
00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,440
Speaker 3: years over this, Katie. It costs us quarter of a

242
00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,839
Speaker 3: million dollars and our building crew to get that up

243
00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,160
Speaker 3: to standards so that we could lease it out to

244
00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,840
Speaker 3: fifty four reasons bring some more income into Binjari. To

245
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,840
Speaker 3: this day that has not even been settled, and is

246
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,160
Speaker 3: bad part about it. It was Dipple staff that stripped

247
00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,760
Speaker 3: it and gouged it all and took all the assets

248
00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,680
Speaker 3: out of it, and to this day they are still

249
00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,160
Speaker 3: working for Dipple. Nothing has been done. The director knows

250
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,400
Speaker 3: about it. I've sent the photographs. The minister knows about it.

251
00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:51,560
Speaker 3: I've sent photographs of it all promising to get back nothing. Nothing.

252
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,600
Speaker 1: Well, let us see whether we can get you know,

253
00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,160
Speaker 1: whether we can get some further response from Dipple. I am,

254
00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,440
Speaker 1: unfortunately gonna have to leave it there because we've got

255
00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,120
Speaker 1: a head across to our next interview.

256
00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 2: But I really appreciate you having a chat.

257
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,560
Speaker 1: With me this morning, and please keep us in the

258
00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,400
Speaker 1: loop and let us know how things progress.

259
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,880
Speaker 3: I certainly will thank you.

260
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,920
Speaker 2: Thanks so much,