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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: To the Jonesy No matter answer the pub test today

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Speaker 2: historical statues, does it pass the pub test?

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Speaker 3: Over the weekend obviously the Australia Day Long weekend, a

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Speaker 3: statue of Captain Cook on hundred and ten year old

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Speaker 3: statue was cut off at the ankles and toppled. Other

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Speaker 3: statues have had paint thrown on them. Sure in the

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Speaker 3: States this has happened a lot. As I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: there time capsules, aren't they And it's how we feel

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Speaker 3: about our history as to how we responded.

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Speaker 2: I'm finding a lot of people and even looking into history,

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Speaker 2: Captain Cook was an explorer. He that's what he did.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to look at this through a lens

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Speaker 2: of seventeen seventy. Rightly or wrongly, if we didn't have

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Speaker 2: Captain Cook, we wouldn't be here today.

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Speaker 1: We could be under.

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Speaker 2: French rule, we could be bounder Belgium rule. It was

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Speaker 2: going to happen. That was that's history. But Captain Cork,

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Speaker 2: sure he was. He wasn't even a colonized. It was

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Speaker 2: an explorer.

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Speaker 3: He's the face of colonization.

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Speaker 2: He's the face of colonization. And that's for another discussion.

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Speaker 2: The big discussion is though, why do we put up

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Speaker 2: statues to begin with?

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Speaker 1: Why do they? Well?

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Speaker 3: I know what, we have statues to commemorate people at

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Speaker 3: the time who do good works, and we see them

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Speaker 3: as heroes. As time changes, we view them differently. Do

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Speaker 3: you think one day suggest what we we do.

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Speaker 2: As a statue outside sunb Stadium will suddenly have to

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Speaker 2: be torn down for some reason in one hundred years time.

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Speaker 3: How would I know?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: My god, he played this brutal game, how could that happen?

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Speaker 1: He?

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Speaker 3: But I think historical figures are different to sporting figures.

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Speaker 3: And Margaret Court, well, maybe we put plaques underneath to

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Speaker 3: so we commemorate our history. Here's why this person's here,

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Speaker 3: and underneath it we can add to it six or

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Speaker 3: seven times, maybe this decade. Here's how we feel, Here's

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Speaker 3: how we feel.

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Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith is a classic case in point. They

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Speaker 2: haven't taken away his exhibition, the war Memorial, but they've

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Speaker 2: put a footnote in there as well.

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Speaker 3: That's right, rather than ripping it out, put it in

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Speaker 3: a different context. Different generations are going to change again.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, But one hundred and ten year old statue historically

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Speaker 2: that statue is quite valuable and just have it vandalized seems.

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Speaker 3: Passions run high historical statues. Do they pass the pub test?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they post a pub test because they're part of

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Speaker 1: our history and they're part of the what makes the

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Speaker 1: Australia so great and what makes Australia the way it is.

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Speaker 1: So Absolutely they passed. For me, I'm not a big

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Speaker 1: fan of these people. I can also think of otherwise

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Speaker 1: the product.

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Speaker 2: But if they were going to cut.

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Speaker 1: Someone off of the legs, it'd be a government. I'm

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Speaker 1: a quarry Street because he wasn't a nice man. So

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Speaker 1: that's my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we need them because that's our history and we

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Speaker 2: have a beautiful country and we need to be reminded

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Speaker 2: of where we come from.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think they do.

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Speaker 3: They've all got their place.

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Speaker 1: What's been and done should be preserved. I think we

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Speaker 1: learned from our mistakes and I think that's our progression

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Speaker 1: of our culture.

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Speaker 2: Wow, well look come out next for now your effigy

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Speaker 2: at the wax Madam to sort.

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Speaker 3: Of remains unmolested. Apparently sometimes my fingers have been snapped off.

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Speaker 2: Well they move off, Harris out of the room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, See that's the thing it's easy to, as you say,

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Speaker 3: melt someone down and chop them off, and the ankle ask,

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Speaker 3: let's