Speaker 1: The flex and Rooms Daily podcast. Hi, it's jazz session
Speaker 1: at the Flexing Rooms Podcast.
Speaker 2: All something a little freestyle, that's.
Speaker 1: A little banjo. Yeah, I didn't do music in school.
Speaker 1: I did one singing lesson.
Speaker 2: Were you a drama kit? I already said this.
Speaker 1: Honey, not a gleek just gleek adjacent. I did do
Speaker 1: one singing lesson and I had to learn it's hitting
Speaker 1: on the dark of the bay. It was fucked up. Anyway,
Speaker 1: today we're can be talking about this article on the
Speaker 1: Guardian that involved the City Winning Herald. It involved a
Speaker 1: story that I think is quack science over the City
Speaker 1: Morning Herald did apologize and I absolutely love Citney Morning Herald.
Speaker 1: They're like my favorite publication. So no shade, just talking
Speaker 1: about your favorite Yeah by far whoa.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 1: I love their angle like stories that they choose to
Speaker 1: write and publish, having their like new that is really great.
Speaker 1: I just love the seamless experiences. I love that Legacy brand. Anyway,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about, uh, this story that they.
Speaker 3: Throw the corpse Legacy brand, I love them.
Speaker 2: You've got to be for some things in life.
Speaker 1: You'll stand up some things and I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about like quack science, my thoughts on vitamins and
Speaker 1: strong thoughts. FLEX doesn't believe they're substantiated necessarily, but we
Speaker 1: can come back up.
Speaker 2: What you don't believe they're substantiated?
Speaker 1: No, you don't believe there. Huh you said I haven't
Speaker 1: done enough research.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean I don't think they're substantiated. Maybe
Speaker 3: I really believe in them and I haven't done enough
Speaker 3: research to disprove them.
Speaker 1: I see. Okay, I like that there can be more talonsibility.
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's get to it, Flex.
Speaker 3: And I've been thinking about what it's going to take
Speaker 3: to actually like save the world. Right, they say, plant
Speaker 3: trees and reduce your plastic use, and I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 3: number one, who's planting the trees?
Speaker 2: Because I haven't done it? Have you done it?
Speaker 3: No? Not one tree in my lifetime. And this has
Speaker 3: been an an ongoing message, So that's us out. I
Speaker 3: did find one woman. She was revealed to me via
Speaker 3: the Internet, and she's a tree planter, so thank goodness
Speaker 3: for her labor shout out. She made this video about
Speaker 3: one full day of tree planting and how much money
Speaker 3: she made. And to say that I was flabbergastant is
Speaker 3: an understatement.
Speaker 1: All right, flabbergacid good or bad.
Speaker 2: Listen to this and you'll find out for yourself.
Speaker 4: I am a tree planter in Alberta, and this is
Speaker 4: a little bit about my job today. I am planting
Speaker 4: in pine trees.
Speaker 1: This is what they look like.
Speaker 4: You frequently plant other species, but this is.
Speaker 1: What I'm planting today.
Speaker 4: Every time I put one of these in the ground,
Speaker 4: I make thirteen cents. In order to plant a lot
Speaker 4: of trees in a day, I carry around these bags.
Speaker 1: Which are filled to the brim with.
Speaker 2: Trees, so thirteen cents per tree.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you have to visualize this, it's
Speaker 3: not a huge you know, six meter you know, fig
Speaker 3: or whatever. It's like a tiny thirty thirty centimeter chunk
Speaker 3: that she's got to dig out the soil and the mulch,
Speaker 3: pull in the tree, and like, you know, pat the
Speaker 3: soil around it. So it's significant thirteen cents for one.
Speaker 3: Now I was thinking, well, how many trees is she
Speaker 3: averaging a day? You know, maybe she's doing like twenty
Speaker 3: forty thousand trees and Siss is making bank right on average,
Speaker 3: she's planting three thousand, one hundred trees a day, So
Speaker 3: on average, she's making four hundred and three dollars a day, and.
Speaker 2: People like that's a lot.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking siss is on the front lines on
Speaker 3: her own saving the planet. I think she needs a
Speaker 3: little bit more than four hundred and three dollars a day.
Speaker 3: Like this is an essential worker. The rest of us
Speaker 3: aren't planting trees, and you know, according to deforestation, we
Speaker 3: cut all them down to be like parking lots or something.
Speaker 3: I just think, you know, you have or we have
Speaker 3: these really important jobs in society that aren't highly respected
Speaker 3: but highly integral to the safety of this planet.
Speaker 2: And that's all thirteen cents a tree. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 2: good enough for.
Speaker 3: Me, Like a dollar, a dollar, twenty a dollar through
Speaker 3: five dollars something.
Speaker 1: I think I've got a way to like mitigate how
Speaker 1: bad that is. People that do those jobs't be taxed.
Speaker 1: Tax oo along with nurses.
Speaker 2: Yep, this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: Nurses and tree planters, just exclusively those two for now.
Speaker 1: Things take time.
Speaker 3: I also think trades are the backbone of our society.
Speaker 3: Though we can't have a lot of things without trades. Though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I like I'm trading supremacy, the roads, the infrastructure
Speaker 3: of the hospitals, the universities, or built by trades.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of responsibility.
Speaker 1: That's true. Shout out to trading men and women all
Speaker 1: out there. I'm got a friend from school that just
Speaker 1: finished her sparky degree hot absolutely slack.
Speaker 3: WX And for me, what would you do if you
Speaker 3: found out that you could possibly be related to your partner?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Why are you taking something to think about it? What's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: Like? I'm like, can we have a non sexual relationship?
Speaker 1: I want to keep the connection, Okay, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to have sex with someone I'm relate.
Speaker 2: But do you want to date someone you're related to? Correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a relationship, a.
Speaker 3: Close romantic relationship, non sexual is what you'd be comfortable
Speaker 3: doing with someone that you're related to. I mean, if
Speaker 3: you love them. I haven't been put in the situation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a fresh one. Not many can say that they
Speaker 3: can relate them. There are these TikTokers and only fans
Speaker 3: creators called Karlie and Mercedes, and they've been together for
Speaker 3: like two or so years now.
Speaker 2: They're established, you know, pretty like it's a legit couple.
Speaker 3: It's two years, right, And so they started going viral
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago for making couple content and
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, you two are together.
Speaker 2: We thought you were sisters and.
Speaker 3: Noveryone's like no, no, no, like we are a couple,
Speaker 3: like lesbians exist. And everyone's like, no, it's not that.
Speaker 3: You two look like twins. And it is so true.
Speaker 3: These two women look identical, both brunette, both have the
Speaker 3: same kind of eyebrows, eye shape, no, the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And at first they thought that the audience members were
Speaker 3: being facetious because they're both like wiped brunette women.
Speaker 2: People like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, you two look un canny, And so they started
Speaker 3: making joke mean videos in response to them being related,
Speaker 3: you know, taking the bit a little bit too far.
Speaker 3: And then they made a video that alluded to them
Speaker 3: being a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that people
Speaker 3: kept mentioning that and wanted to know if people were
Speaker 3: still joking or if it's real. People said, no, we're serious,
Speaker 3: like it's you should get it checked out.
Speaker 2: So they did. They got a DNA test. No, why you.
Speaker 1: Sound sad, I just feel like I didn't like where
Speaker 1: this is going.
Speaker 3: Why not you've got a solution for them. Either way,
Speaker 3: you guys can still be friends, you can still be
Speaker 3: you know, romantic.
Speaker 2: And here are their results. I feel like I'm on Maury. Okay,
Speaker 2: listen to this. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Carly and I both got an email this morning
Speaker 1: from twenty three and me sitting that.
Speaker 5: Our results are in. So it's showing view your ancestry
Speaker 5: composition and then view your DNA relatives because they have
Speaker 5: fifteen hundred relatives here. Yeah, it says I have fifteen relatives.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to look.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can, there's so many.
Speaker 5: We have to just like search, like filter it. Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm gonnahit apply.
Speaker 2: No relatives found zero zero.
Speaker 3: The TikTok comments have gotten in their heads so much
Speaker 3: that they really believe they were related. In at no
Speaker 3: point where they're like, well, no, like we can't be
Speaker 3: sisters because our parents didn't have any other children. They
Speaker 3: were like, no, we must be related because TikTok told us.
Speaker 3: If you could see their faces, they.
Speaker 2: Look so nervous.
Speaker 3: Either they're really incredible actresses or they really truly believed
Speaker 3: and even if they did, what was your plan? The
Speaker 3: top comments say I'm so happy for you. It must
Speaker 3: be a massive weight off your shoulders. Please check again
Speaker 3: in a few days, just to be sure.
Speaker 1: And I have never saying these people before, but I
Speaker 1: just looked at their videos. They are identical in a
Speaker 1: way that is sibling looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are they're not like look related in a superficial way?
Speaker 1: It's literally their expressions?
Speaker 2: Yeah, then.
Speaker 1: Are you sure that they're not?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, and you know what, who knows? It
Speaker 3: doesn't actually matter. I thought that was a nice little
Speaker 3: treat for us. I don't know what they're going to
Speaker 3: do with this information now. I feel like, how does
Speaker 3: your relationship come back from that? Because even if they
Speaker 3: don't think that they are related, and they can prove it,
Speaker 3: the rumor is there they type in their names at
Speaker 3: any circumstance. Lesbian couple might be sisters. Lesbian couple who
Speaker 3: might be sisters still date.
Speaker 1: I mean, if their goal in life is to make
Speaker 1: a lot of money on only fans, this feels like
Speaker 1: a good kink to cash in on a fowl. As
Speaker 1: that is, we've got freaks in ow midst.
Speaker 3: In our midst, there's just five of us in he
Speaker 3: who you're talking about, certainly not myself flex and a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, I read this headline Tiffany to
Speaker 3: sell NFT pendants. What comes to mind when I say
Speaker 3: that NFT pendant.
Speaker 1: Non fungible token pendant. I assume it's pegged to an
Speaker 1: actual product.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was confused too, but I didn't read the article.
Speaker 2: I let it go.
Speaker 3: I was like, this isn't for me. I don't really
Speaker 3: shot from Tiffany. I don't really have too many NFT's
Speaker 3: not interested. Until days later I saw they sold out
Speaker 3: of all of them. I was like, okay, now I
Speaker 3: got to read this. Now I got to read this.
Speaker 3: So basically, what Tiffany and co. The Jeweler Prestige Jeweler,
Speaker 3: did is they created a limited edition collection of Crypto
Speaker 3: Punk pendants. So crypto Punk are a range of NFTs
Speaker 3: pixelated creature looking things. They took that character and put
Speaker 3: that into a diamond encrusted necklace pendant. It looks really cheap, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: like it's in my head, I think that you would
Speaker 3: think it'd be blingy and hot and sexy. It just
Speaker 3: looks like play jewelry in the worst way possible. But
Speaker 3: it did sell out, So there's that congratulations to anybody
Speaker 3: who bought one. Only people who own the crypto punk
Speaker 3: NFT were eligible to buy this necklace.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see that it is genius.
Speaker 2: It's genius.
Speaker 3: It's a nice conversation starter, also very limiting, and it's
Speaker 3: great marketing.
Speaker 2: So there we go.
Speaker 1: As you were speaking, I was just thinking about how
Speaker 1: some industries aren't willing to innovate just in case it
Speaker 1: like cannibalizes what they've done previously, or it.
Speaker 3: Just helps and it's embarrassing and they can't pick up
Speaker 3: where they left off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which side note, I don't believe in flopping. But however,
Speaker 1: I think Tiffany are doing something really incredible here, like
Speaker 1: cashing into a trend that is the absolute like epitome
Speaker 1: of Internet, like forward thinking and like cryptocurrency. Obviously they
Speaker 1: have done research to figure out the crypto's valuable in
Speaker 1: a way that a lot of people don't realize. I
Speaker 1: think they'm doing these even though they like don't look
Speaker 1: very good.
Speaker 2: It's a super interesting, even though they're ugly.
Speaker 1: It's a good way to like create chatter and make
Speaker 1: Tiffany here forward thinking. Yeah, I did, I've seen them before.
Speaker 1: What did you think about it? I think it's clever
Speaker 1: in the way that it's really creating a community. It's
Speaker 1: another layer on what is already an incredible community. Like
Speaker 1: these punks, they've just grown and grown and grow. It's
Speaker 1: like creating a community out of something that has kind
Speaker 1: of value that could be tangible, could be tangible, and
Speaker 1: I think it therefore like creates a bigger community and
Speaker 1: you really want to be part of the club. So
Speaker 1: I think Tiffany's interesting. They're making their brand more relevant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to be part of the club?
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it, but I can see
Speaker 1: the appeal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's which is good, like the most prestigious
Speaker 3: jeweler or one of the most prestigious industries collaborating with
Speaker 3: another prestige prestigious industry to create this extra prestigious offering
Speaker 3: for very few people. I think it's cool in concept,
Speaker 3: but I think it doesn't do anything for the average
Speaker 3: person who's like, Okay, cool, this really exclusive thing that
Speaker 3: I can't be a part of. Did another exclusive thing
Speaker 3: I can't be a part of. And I don't know
Speaker 3: what it means, but it's interesting to talk about.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I think if you're an optimistic States bringing more awareness
Speaker 1: into crypto. Not necessarily that you have to then get involved,
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting area of innovation in money and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Don't you reckon?
Speaker 2: I feel like you trying to picture to me and
Speaker 2: I told you about it like this is flex and frooms.
Speaker 1: On ked Lexie. I absolutely love Australian media tea, specifically
Speaker 1: when it occurs to what would you call it, like
Speaker 1: traditional established brands. What you know when like brands come
Speaker 1: under like media brands come under fire. Oh yes's and
Speaker 1: away with for fifty years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Citizen journalism is now taking to the hands of the people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I find that's a really interesting like space to
Speaker 1: be and when you're a traditional writer. This happened with
Speaker 1: Cydney Morning Herald, which full disclosure, I've written for before.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of I'm a subscriber. The call
Speaker 1: is coming from inside the house and they came under
Speaker 1: the under fire via the Guardian last week.
Speaker 3: Oh into brand calling out yes, there's no solidarity in
Speaker 3: the community.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not wow dog eat dog ye Guardian Sidney Mooney
Speaker 1: Herald it. But the other day they posted in their
Speaker 1: Good Weekend say Cydney Morney Herald right posted in their
Speaker 1: Good Weekend. I think it was magazine about The title
Speaker 1: was Shape of Water, and it wasn't about the movie.
Speaker 1: It was about a story about structured water. Have you
Speaker 1: heard about structured now?
Speaker 2: I haven't. So it sounds like ice or a damn
Speaker 2: am I close?
Speaker 1: Okay, So apparently the Shape of Water is a bottle
Speaker 1: by file On Water, which is a company, and they
Speaker 1: sell empty glass bottles with a magnetic vortext device in
Speaker 1: the lid which claims to turn ordinary tap water into
Speaker 1: life of firm instructured water. You lost me. The price
Speaker 1: tag is three hundred and forty dollars per two bottles.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait the bottle are usable?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But a bottle of water for three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty dollars.
Speaker 2: What if it's ever lasting, ever replenishing.
Speaker 1: Nah, it just sounds crazy. Anything that's trying to market
Speaker 1: water as anything but what water is is quack science.
Speaker 1: And apparently the author isn't actually an SMH regular writer.
Speaker 1: They work for the company, which is all conflict of
Speaker 1: interest when it's not an avat oil.
Speaker 2: Bon con and sponsored contente afterwards.
Speaker 1: This knew when Herald wrote there was a story in
Speaker 1: Sunday Life on the Weekend about structured water, which didn't
Speaker 1: meet editorial standards, specifically due to a significant conflict of
Speaker 1: interest for the writer. Matter is being investigated.
Speaker 2: Yike.
Speaker 3: So this writer probably allegedly pitched to Sydney Morning, how
Speaker 3: I get this great idea if this water bottle? It's
Speaker 3: so fascinating, And then you know, pitch went through. They've
Speaker 3: published the story, done some research and said, hey, what
Speaker 3: you work for that brand?
Speaker 2: Pro'll be like, oh, maybe didn't mention it didn't come up.
Speaker 1: Sorry, reminiscent of something that happened with the Sydney Morning
Speaker 1: Herald twenty years ago about a similar story about war.
Speaker 2: You won't let any of these die.
Speaker 1: I am my own citizen journal.
Speaker 2: Literally. What was the other story?
Speaker 1: The same kind of thing, different quack science about water.
Speaker 1: So where's the Guardian come in? The Guardian called it out,
Speaker 1: Oh in Sydney One Herald and said, now they've done
Speaker 1: this apology, the tit for tat vibes.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me everything. What did the guardians say?
Speaker 1: I'll get it up. Hold on, don't know.
Speaker 2: Frustrated, baby, you can't this is juicy juicy tea, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: So the Guardian called them out. But you know anyway, Nah.
Speaker 1: I just want to like this happens a lot between
Speaker 1: media sites because it's important for journalists to take accountability
Speaker 1: and for other like different corporations to call each other out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was published on The Guardian and it's by another
Speaker 1: opinion writer. It's by a woman called Amanda Mead and
Speaker 1: she writes City Morning Herald slips up on shape of
Speaker 1: water nonsense. They wrote a story about the health benefits
Speaker 1: of structured water and it was a conflict of interest
Speaker 1: and it was very reminiscent of a story that a
Speaker 1: guy called Paul Shehan wrote in the City Morning Herald
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, which title was Wonderwater, and it asked
Speaker 1: whether or not a two dollars eighty bottle of wonderwater,
Speaker 1: which had not been subject to proper clinical trials, could
Speaker 1: combat arthritis, fatigue, osteoporosis and help you live longer. But
Speaker 1: this one is about Fion Water, which sells an empty
Speaker 1: glass bottle that's worth three hundred and forty dollars that
Speaker 1: somehow makes water better.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we don't know what this Guardian article is
Speaker 3: said because it's confusing us. But I've gone into the
Speaker 3: Fion water website, which looks like it was built on
Speaker 3: a two thousand and five Yeah, two thousand and five
Speaker 3: fy website builder. The images were just quickly, you know,
Speaker 3: chucked together. I'm looking at the Apollo gold bottle top
Speaker 3: and two glass bottles. Okay, So it's not the actual
Speaker 3: bottle that is that has the special abilities. It's this
Speaker 3: little attachment that you put at the top of the bottle.
Speaker 3: And so what it does is it turns ordinary tapwater
Speaker 3: into life affirming structured water the way nature intended, and
Speaker 3: the magnetic vortex can be used to restructure other liquids,
Speaker 3: including wine, spirits, juice, and milk. So it gives water
Speaker 3: a permanent negative charge like that found in pristine flowing
Speaker 3: rivers and streams. It eliminates pathogenic microbes like E. Coli
Speaker 3: and neutralizes toxic compounds. It minimizes the growth of molds
Speaker 3: and fungi. But where is the mold in our water?
Speaker 3: It reduces the smell and taste of chlorine from urban
Speaker 3: water supplies, fair because like chlorine water is a thing
Speaker 3: is that I never Yeah, for sure, you don't drink
Speaker 3: tap water, do drink to tap water?
Speaker 2: You don't smell that. Nah, I'm a big Mount Franklin girly.
Speaker 3: But you know that's neither here in nor that it
Speaker 3: increases the intensity of wine flavor. Oh, it prevents wine
Speaker 3: from oxidizing. This isn't that bad? Yeah, not me selling
Speaker 3: it to us. Look, I love gimmicks, and I'll leave
Speaker 3: it there.
Speaker 1: I don't like gimmicks that involve things that you can
Speaker 1: get freely, Like what water?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: And what else can you get freeley? That's beneficial? Okay? Okay,
Speaker 1: I get another one, And I can say this. Any
Speaker 1: kind of vitamin okay, I don't believe it. Some types
Speaker 1: of skin care.
Speaker 2: I think vitamins. It's all about that which bit.
Speaker 1: Vitamins that I think Sometimes there's a misconception that vitamins
Speaker 1: can give you stuff that you can't get from food,
Speaker 1: Like pretty much most minerals you can get you can
Speaker 1: get from food, and like, for example, if you're a vegetarian,
Speaker 1: you might take iron tablets, but there's ways you can
Speaker 1: get that in your diet in other ways.
Speaker 2: Isn't it the quantity or like the potency?
Speaker 3: So let's say you would need to eat I don't
Speaker 3: take vitamins, but you know, let's say you would need
Speaker 3: to eat twelve bales of kale for this kind of
Speaker 3: vitamin with this kind of nutritional benefit. Let's say you
Speaker 3: would need to eat twelve bales of kale for this.
Speaker 2: Kind of nutritional OK.
Speaker 3: I don't know, babe, a bunch a bunch of kale
Speaker 3: for this nutritional benefit. But if you had one vitamin,
Speaker 3: it's the equivalent. Isn't that how it works. They're not
Speaker 3: saying that you can't get this in your body. They're
Speaker 3: saying you'd need to have so much more of this
Speaker 3: in your diet. And you, sir, don't want to eat vegetables.
Speaker 1: Maybe. However, I will say.
Speaker 2: The research, not the uninformed. Without the research, this is
Speaker 2: that the glass show over again.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, the Marsha will come to fruition show.
Speaker 2: The damn doc is going to agree that gasher doesn't work.
Speaker 1: The vitamins thing, the issue for me is the markup.
Speaker 1: Some vitamins are like hundreds of dollars and what do
Speaker 1: they actually do? Not sure? And if you ask a
Speaker 1: scientist they would tell you.
Speaker 2: Lastly, they very sure.
Speaker 3: Like for example, is like some things are marked up.
Speaker 3: Somethings say no, why can't you just get the no
Speaker 3: frills version of the vitamin. Why it got to be
Speaker 3: the premium one that's making you mad at all vitamins.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't get a little vitamin see the little chewese.
Speaker 3: So it's three four dollars, what's the problem.
Speaker 1: The issue is like, so I used to work in journalism.
Speaker 1: I used to write about health stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh so, oh what guilt creeping back?
Speaker 1: No, because I didn't write about I actually did, but
Speaker 1: there was very specific wording that you had to use
Speaker 1: in order to get something to pass editorial tests. So
Speaker 1: you couldn't say that it would definitely like alter or
Speaker 1: change things.
Speaker 2: No, just it's claims. This claims too claims.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just feel as though vitamin companies just
Speaker 1: make too much money on something that's like there's not
Speaker 1: enough education around the fact that you can get things
Speaker 1: from certain food types. And also so much of this
Speaker 1: stuff is naturally occurring in your body. Like I think,
Speaker 1: unless you go to a doctor and get a blood
Speaker 1: test and something's really off, then you should look into vitamins.
Speaker 1: But there's companies that are like giving you vite into
Speaker 1: the most whack random stuff that actually doesn't work. And
Speaker 1: to me, this water thing is in the similar category,
Speaker 1: which is creating a problem, which is why the wellness
Speaker 1: industry is worth billions of dollars, worth like ten billion
Speaker 1: dollars or something, making problems that don't actually exist in
Speaker 1: bodies and telling you that you need to get this,
Speaker 1: like you need to have a multi vitin when you're
Speaker 1: trying to get pregnant, or you need like elevate or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: and there's so much I feel as though it like
Speaker 1: disproportionately affects women, and we're told that we need to
Speaker 1: like buy these things, specifically stuff like vitamins and specific
Speaker 1: asking care things that you could actually just get either
Speaker 1: home brand or like use set a fiel.
Speaker 2: So I have a gripe.
Speaker 1: I have a gripe with things.
Speaker 3: Your gripe sounds misinformed, though, Like your gripe sounds like
Speaker 3: your presumption is trumping the reality of a situation, because
Speaker 3: you're saying, they tell us we need to but you
Speaker 3: don't take vitamins.
Speaker 2: I don't take vitamins.
Speaker 3: So clearly it's not really working that personally, right, Like,
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying on like a structural level,
Speaker 3: But then you could make that kind of argument for
Speaker 3: every commerce, Like you don't.
Speaker 2: Need all of the things that we actually.
Speaker 3: Have, but you don't have personal gripes with every single
Speaker 3: industry for making stuff. This feels like like this in
Speaker 3: the Guachha thing feels like really highly targeted. But also
Speaker 3: I don't understand, like you don't have the info. You're
Speaker 3: like they tell us, and I'm like, but what are
Speaker 3: they telling us?
Speaker 1: Because I have been the one that's brought into so
Speaker 1: much of this stuff and it's faced much my life,
Speaker 1: and I've been on both sides. I've been on someone
Speaker 1: who is actively dismantling this kind of stuff through like
Speaker 1: talking about with my friends and researching about it and
Speaker 1: having you know, going to experts who are telling me, actually, no,
Speaker 1: you don't need it, whereas at the same time being
Speaker 1: affected by it subliminally got it and specifically about the vitamins,
Speaker 1: And I just say, like, I think it's really interesting
Speaker 1: when Instagram like stop people being able to promote health
Speaker 1: products or specifically vitamins.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that some screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there few others.
Speaker 3: Well, well they were saying you could not that you
Speaker 3: couldn't promote them, but they're saying that when you do
Speaker 3: promote them, you have to promote the claims, not your
Speaker 3: personal experience with vitamins or with sunscreen. For reasons like this,
Speaker 3: where people are assuming, oh, let's say, you can't say
Speaker 3: this sunscreen is the reason why I don't have skin cancer.
Speaker 3: You can say sunscreen is helps to protect you from
Speaker 3: the sun. So it's not that it's because you can
Speaker 3: say it's misinformation. But I also think it's a lack
Speaker 3: of literacy around personal research because I don't pick up
Speaker 3: every product and feel like this is for me because
Speaker 3: the label says something. But I think they're realizing that
Speaker 3: because individuals don't have a duty of care to themselves
Speaker 3: and they trust advertisers blindly, that there must be regulations
Speaker 3: to accommodate for them.
Speaker 1: I think there should be there are because I think
Speaker 1: even if you have literacy, it's easy when these brands
Speaker 1: appeal to your like for example, with women in multivitons
Speaker 1: or have a baby, they're playing on the fact that
Speaker 1: you want to do what's best for your baby, when
Speaker 1: in actuality, you're wasting money. I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 1: know who wastes money, know about ilevit or whatever, but
Speaker 1: I just see a specific type of advertising about vitamins
Speaker 1: and other stuff that's sometimes naturally occurring in your body,
Speaker 1: and buying into it even though I don't necessarily believe it.
Speaker 1: I've brought into it for I've brought into like health
Speaker 1: and wellness misconceptions and it's changed my life in a
Speaker 1: negative way. I just feel like, yeah, more discussion around
Speaker 1: it is good.
Speaker 2: I feel you. This is flex and froomes on FLEXI.
Speaker 1: I just got a subscription to Binge. Nice is like
Speaker 1: Stan and Netflix and Disney Plus, but it's called Binge.
Speaker 1: I was watching the Britney Murphy documentary, so I've been
Speaker 1: interested in Brittany Murphy and like, I think, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's just me, but I have this unrelenting interest
Speaker 1: in starlets that passed away too soon exactly very specific
Speaker 1: mysterious passings. I think because we place so much value
Speaker 1: on youth and young women in Hollywood and it's like
Speaker 1: the next really exciting woman that like the absolute epitome
Speaker 1: of life and pop stabilities. Then for them to die,
Speaker 1: especially mysterious circumstances, it's very curious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you.
Speaker 1: Across Britney Murphy?
Speaker 2: Not at all? You know, she was in clueless, I
Speaker 2: kind of I know, of her.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I'm a fan or anything, but I
Speaker 3: see her face in my mind as I'm speaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Britney Murphy was an actor. She
Speaker 1: had to prominence in uh, what did you say, Cleueluless,
Speaker 1: she had to prominence in Clueless, and see in some
Speaker 1: other movies. She was in a relationship with Ashton Cuture.
Speaker 1: At one point they did a movie called Just Married Together,
Speaker 1: like really in that kind of like rom calm scene, quintessential, quintessential. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then back in I think it was two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, she passed away under really really curious circumstances.
Speaker 1: The autopsy didn't really bring anything back she you know,
Speaker 1: had There'd been rumors about drug use and this and that, right,
Speaker 1: and lots of internet conspiracy theories, like some people believe
Speaker 1: it's because her house was really moldy, oh, and that
Speaker 1: it was for that reason. But essentially this dogmentary celebrates
Speaker 1: her life also debunks a lot of those theories. And
Speaker 1: the thing that I think didn't get enough press and
Speaker 1: which is definitely getting pressed now is she married a
Speaker 1: guy called Simon Mojak police name was, and turns out
Speaker 1: he was a con man.
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, So in what way.
Speaker 1: Would lie about being a billionaire and then get her
Speaker 1: under his spell. It was very much Tinder Swindler areas,
Speaker 1: but she actually married him, and I think the documentary
Speaker 1: espouses that it was because she was in a really
Speaker 1: fragile space, like she was going through health issues and
Speaker 1: was like supposedly quite lonely. And it was just so
Speaker 1: interesting to see how someone who you would totally perceive
Speaker 1: as being in control of their life and super successful
Speaker 1: can still be taken advantage of by a con man. HM.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that we have this preoccupation in
Speaker 1: pop culture and on Netflix and whatnot of.
Speaker 2: Pop culture and Netflix even pop.
Speaker 1: Culture and on a platform called Netflix, we have this
Speaker 1: interest in con man stories. And I think it's so
Speaker 1: easy to think, Oh, that would never happen to me,
Speaker 1: and then you see it happen to a woman who
Speaker 1: is supposedly in a really privileged space.
Speaker 3: So because it happened to Brittany, do you think you
Speaker 3: are you more open or aware of the fact that
Speaker 3: it could happen to you, Like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I think so? I think that. I also think it's
Speaker 1: just it's so easy to watch these shows and think,
Speaker 1: oh my god, these women idiots falling for this. But
Speaker 1: then it goes to show you can be you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter specifically your standing in society. It's more vulnerability.
Speaker 1: And I think it's like a really interesting thing to
Speaker 1: watch for that reason. And also I think it was
Speaker 1: unfair because so much of the press when she passed
Speaker 1: away was kind of blaming her, like blaming her drug
Speaker 1: use and this and that, and not really taking into
Speaker 1: account the facts about this other person she was in
Speaker 1: a relationship with, like having a child out of wedlock
Speaker 1: before they met and never telling her and manipulating her
Speaker 1: life prior to her passing away. And I would recommend
Speaker 1: watching the documentary because it was also one of those
Speaker 1: documentary is about a young woman who's passed away that
Speaker 1: isn't like trauma porn.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: I think the way that they illustrated her was showing
Speaker 1: her when she was really young and happy, and you
Speaker 1: can kind of see that light that she had within herself,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of see it receding, oh, prior
Speaker 1: to her death, but in a way that you don't
Speaker 1: blame her. Yeah, it was kind of just a bit
Speaker 1: like oh, but you're not like, oh, tragic. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's I empathize with this woman.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's tactic. I've sworn off all nonfiction for the moment.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to just be like deep in fantasy at
Speaker 3: all times, so I won't watch that, but I appreciate
Speaker 3: the recommendation.
Speaker 1: My pleasure.
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