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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning one is safam twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: of course, is a year first for all of us.

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Speaker 1: We're readjusting to how we do things, how we communicate,

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Speaker 1: how we celebrate, how we commemorate and connect. That includes

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Speaker 1: new ways of commemorating and Zac Day tomorrow. Well, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: there are lots of ways we can get involved while

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Speaker 1: staying isolated, including the hashtag and Zack at Home campaign,

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Speaker 1: which our next guest initiated. Good morning, Senator Jim Molan.

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Speaker 2: Amanda, how are you, Jonson? How lovely to be here?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great to have you. Eron's always in here.

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Speaker 3: Of course, your Aaron Mullin's father. Everyone knows that. But

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Speaker 3: Aaron comes in and she always talks about you with glowings.

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Speaker 2: That's lovely. And you guys have been fabulous in your

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Speaker 2: support of her, and you know, and calling out the

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Speaker 2: strange industry in which we're all in relation to social media.

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Speaker 2: So good.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, we love her. So tell us about the

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Speaker 1: hashtag and Zack at Home campaign. How does this work?

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Speaker 2: Well, like a good politician, I claim all the credit

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Speaker 2: for myself and had nothing to do with it. The

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Speaker 2: original idea came from one of my staff Hailey, and

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Speaker 2: from another one of my daughter's Felicity, that we ought

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Speaker 2: to start a system whereby people have got a way

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Speaker 2: of expressing their respect for those who have built this country,

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Speaker 2: those who have made the extraordinary sacrifice that you guys

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Speaker 2: have been talking about this morning. And the way we've

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Speaker 2: done is through my Facebook page which is just Senator

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Speaker 2: Jim Molan, and each day for the last couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks we've been featuring an individual because we so often

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Speaker 2: we go to the big picture of Anzac Day and

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Speaker 2: it's great to get down to an eighteen year old

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Speaker 2: from World War One who is wounded in eleven places

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Speaker 2: and the band played Waltzing Matilda, Amanda, this is real

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Speaker 2: Walting Matilda type stuff. Or a family which has over

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Speaker 2: one hundred years of connection with our military, or one

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Speaker 2: of our one of my great friends, a guy called

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Speaker 2: Bruce Davies who fought a number of times in Vietnam

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Speaker 2: with the Australian Army Training Team and current officers both

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Speaker 2: men and women. But I guess the one that I

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Speaker 2: like most is a Sergeant Matthew Locke, who was a

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Speaker 2: Bellingen boy, a bit of a bushy bit of a

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Speaker 2: rebel in his young life. And Matt Locke I first

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Speaker 2: met him when he was a member of my bodyguard

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Speaker 2: in Iraq as as a very junior. He'd been in

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Speaker 2: the army about six or seven years then, but he

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Speaker 2: was a very junior SAS soldier. And they're a fabulous

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Speaker 2: group of people. But Matt was won a Medal of

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Speaker 2: Gallantry in Afghanistan and was subsequently killed in Afghanistan. And

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Speaker 2: we celebrate his life once a year with an NRL game,

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Speaker 2: with a rugby game up in Bealingen. Those people that

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Speaker 2: we've done and will culminate at the We were going

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Speaker 2: to culminate tomorrow in this hashtag anzac at home, but

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Speaker 2: we've got too many people, so we're going to extend

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Speaker 2: it for a couple more days.

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Speaker 1: That's great, And I know also that I think that

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Speaker 1: there are other commemorations happening as well, that people have

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Speaker 1: been asked to stand at the end of their driveways

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Speaker 1: to during the dawn service celebration, really so that we

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Speaker 1: can still feel that we're part of all this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a very very good idea,

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Speaker 2: and we'll certainly do it, and and I will certainly

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Speaker 2: do it tomorrow morning. We live in a rural area

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Speaker 2: and our nearest drive, our nearest neighbor is some distance away.

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Speaker 2: But we'll do it, and we'll put a flag up

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Speaker 2: and have a life. But we'll follow the services that

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Speaker 2: are running from about five o'clock tomorrow morning. But I

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Speaker 2: guess the thing that I keep saying to myself is

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Speaker 2: that when we do stop. The songs that you've mentioned

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Speaker 2: the band played Waltzing Matilda and I was only nineteen,

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Speaker 2: are fabulous songs and they always that they commemorate the

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Speaker 2: tragedy of war, and war is an unmitigated tragedy. And

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Speaker 2: as a soldier who's spent all my life trying to

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Speaker 2: create the capability in the military to fight and win,

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Speaker 2: every now and again we should think again, not just

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Speaker 2: of that kind of a rock solid courage of being

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Speaker 2: in the trenches or out on patrol, but the extraordinary

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Speaker 2: thing that we sometimes take for granted that people will

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Speaker 2: attack and fight, and it is mind boggling. And when

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Speaker 2: you think that what you need to do to create

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Speaker 2: that in soldiers, there's no point. We must deter war

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Speaker 2: by being able to win wars. And that's what I say,

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Speaker 2: And the only thing worse than war is to lose exactly.

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Speaker 1: The courage it takes to be there. And I think

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Speaker 1: too about our servicemen and women overseas who'll be commemorating

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Speaker 1: Anzac Day tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So we'll do that tomorrow from home hashtag Anzac at home.

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Speaker 3: Amanda has already set up a two up ring in

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Speaker 3: a place I know how you play two up with yourself.

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Speaker 2: I'll win every time, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Senator Jim Aullin, thank you for joining us, Say how

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Speaker 3: Aaron for us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks both of you. It's great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: And I'll say he thanks, join the and Amanda in

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Speaker 2: the morning.

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Speaker 1: But at one point seven, tell you