1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Just a heads up. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: Today's show includes discussions of sexual violence and rape. If 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: this raises any issues for you, you can access help 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: at one eight hundred respect that's one eight hundred seven 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: three seven seven three to two. Or you can join 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: us again this afternoon for the headlines already and this 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: this is the Daily Off. This is the Daily OS. 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Oh, now it makes sense. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: the ninth of February. I'm Lucy Tassel. 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm Billy Fitzsimon's last week. 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: The Sun of Norway's Crown Princess began facing trial on 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: thirty eight charges including rape, abuse and violent behavior. In 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: the days before he was due in court, Marius borg 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: Habe was taken into custody on separate charges of threatening 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: someone with a knife and assault. The new charges came 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: days after Crown Princess Met Marritt's email correspondence with convicted 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was made public. In today's episode, 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: we'll explain what to know about these two scandals engulfing 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: the Norwegian royal family. 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Lucy, I can't say that I often think about the 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: Norwegian Royal family or really know anything about them. Yeah, 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: So for anyone like me who literally does not know 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: much at all, do you want to just take us 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: through the main characters in this story. 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. We're talking about two separate but linked stories today 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: and they center on a mother and son. And as 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: you've said, I don't think most Australians would know much 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: about these people. I can say that they've only been 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: brought to my attention through these stories. So we've got 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Meta Marrit. She's the Crown Princess of Norway. She is 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: married to the Crown Prince of Norway. His name is 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: Prince Hokon. He is the son of Harold, the current 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: King of Norway, and he's first in line to the throne. 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: That means when Harold dies or abdicates, Hocon becomes king 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: and Meta Maret becomes Queen of Norway. Hokon and Meda 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: Maret got married in two thousand and one, and when 38 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: they did, Meda Meret actually already had a son from 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: a previous relationship. His name is Marius borg Habe and 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: because he was not born into the royal family, he's 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: never held a title and he's never been asked to 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: perform official duties. That's different for his half siblings, including 43 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: the heir to the throne after Prince Hokon, who is 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: Marius's half sister, Ingrid Alexandra. 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: And that Ingrid Alexandria. I'm pretty sure that is actually 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: how I first heard of the Norwegian family, because Ingrid 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: is twenty one or twenty two, I believe, and she's 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: currently actually studying in Sydney. That's right, just a little 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: point of interest. Some people might have seen that around, 50 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: but she's not related to this case at all. It 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: is her half brother who we're talking about today, that's right. 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: And her mother, yes, yeah. Over the years, Madame Marrett 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: tried to keep Marius out of the public eye. I 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: would say for the most part, she said in twenty 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: seventeen that he wanted to live a private life. He 56 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: was four when he sort of entered the royal family 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: in a sense, although not officially speaking. In the years 58 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: after that twenty seventeen statement, though, he did start to 59 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: dip a toe into public life. He publicly dated a 60 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: Norwegian influenza and model called Juliana Snekerstand, and he appeared 61 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: in a Vogue article and on red carpets with her. 62 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Okay, We are going to get to the charges that 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Marius is currently facing, but before we do that, here 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: is a quick message from today's sponsor. Okay, so the 65 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: reason we're talking about this family today is because Marius 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: is currently on trial because of sexual assault allegations. Yeah, 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: what can you tell us about that case? 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: So he's actually I've been accused of thirty eight different charges, 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: many of which are related to allegations of sexual assaults 70 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: and rape and sexual misconduct. But there is actually quite 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: a wide range of things that he's been accused of. 72 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Thirty eight charges is a lot. 73 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: It's quite a lot, and they're very wide ranging. 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I have to say, is it all relating to one victim? 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't relate to one victim. It actually relates 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 2: to six different women who have come forward, as well 77 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: as other people who have accused him of other crimes. 78 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: So Norwegian police have actually been investigating several allegations against 79 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: Marius Haby since August twenty twenty four. He was questioned 80 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four and then again in early twenty 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: twenty five. He was then charged in twenty twenty five, 82 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: and international media reported at the time that he was 83 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: charged over incidents in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty three, and 84 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, with the last occurring after police investigations 85 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: had started. Now, a lot of what I used for 86 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: my research today with actually a really useful website put 87 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: together by NRK that's Norway's public broadcaster. They're basically the 88 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: equivalent of the ABC or the BBC, and they have 89 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: a very detailed web page with all of the different charges, 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: which week of the trial they're expected to be discussed, 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: and how he has pleaded to each of these. 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I guess the fact that they've done that demonstrates just 93 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: how big of a deal this is in Norway. 94 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there was actually a really interesting piece from 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: their editor on their website. I mean, I'm reading all 96 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: of this through Google translates, so who's to say the nuances. 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: But basically the broadcaster has justified why they are, like 98 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: why they are reporting on this so much because he's 99 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: not technically a public figure, but he does have a 100 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 2: public profile and his parents are extremely famous, and also 101 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: given just the wide scope of the charges, they basically 102 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: argued it's in the public interest that we cover this 103 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: even though he is technically speaking a private citizen. 104 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: Got it and So tell me about the most serious 105 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: charges that Marius is facing. 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. So among the charges are four counts of rape, 107 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: all involving assaulting a person who was too drunk to 108 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: consent or was otherwise unconscious at the time. So I've said, 109 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: there are six women who've made accusations. Four of those 110 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: are rape allegations. They all relate to different women, different places, 111 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: different times. They're all individuals, standalone incidents. He has also 112 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: been accused of filming sexual videos without consent, including of 113 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: those alleged assaults. Prosecutors showed a video to court last 114 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: week that they say is from Marius's phone, which they 115 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: shows him sexually assaulting an unconscious woman. The woman told 116 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: the court she learned about the videos existence when police 117 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: told her they had identified her. 118 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: So, these very serious charges that he's facing, Yes, how 119 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: has he pled to them? Has he pled? Not guilty? 120 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: So at first, his lawyer said he denied all of 121 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: the charges relating to sexual violence that continue used to 122 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: be true. He hasn't, at the time of recording, pleaded 123 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: guilty to any charges of sexual violence or any that 124 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: relate to rape or assault. He has pleaded guilty to 125 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: some of the charges laid against him that relate to, 126 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: for example, drugs. There's also I would say the central 127 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: complainant in this case is a woman that NRK is 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: calling the frog Woman. So Frogna is a suburb of 129 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Norway's capital city, Oslo, where this woman, who is his 130 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: ex girlfriend lived at the time of the alleged incidents. So, 131 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: and I should just clarify I've mentioned a previous ex girlfriend, 132 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: a model called Juliana steckelnd, that's not who we're talking about. 133 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: She has posted on her Instagram story alleging some claims 134 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: of violence by him and of being in an abusive relationship, 135 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: but she's not part of this trial and those allegations 136 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: are not going to be tested in court at this stage. 137 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: So the Frogner Woman a lot of the charges that 138 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: he has pleaded guilty to relate to her. So he 139 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: has pleaded guilty to harassing her by calling her more 140 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: than one hundred and fifty times in one month, to 141 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: telling her he was going to kill one of her friends, 142 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: and then telling the friend directly, I'm going to kill you. Basically, 143 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: he said, it's alleged he messaged him on Instagram and 144 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: said you're a dead man, and also told this woman 145 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: his ex girlfriend, among other charges that he has both 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to and not guilty too. As to the 147 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: charges relating to rape and sexual misconduct, in court last week, 148 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: he said he quote doesn't sleep with women who are 149 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: not awake, and that he doesn't remember taking photos and 150 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: videos presented by the prosecution as evidence of assaults. Now, 151 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: he was coming to court from custody, and that's because 152 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: he was arrested last Sunday accused of assault, making threats 153 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: with a knife, and violating a restraining order. 154 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so he when he initially was charged with these 155 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: twenty eight did you say thirty eighty eight? Yeah, these 156 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: thirty eight charges, he was still granted bail, so he 157 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: was allowed to be home on certain conditions. But then 158 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: in the week leading up to the actual trial, he 159 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: was then arrested on completely new charges, which meant that 160 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: he went straight to jail. 161 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, and he is going to be in 162 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: there for four weeks now. The trial is expected to 163 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: go until March, so he will probably be out in 164 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: public for the last couple of weeks of the trial. 165 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: Okay, got it. 166 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Another point from the trial is that prosecutors showed 167 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: him evidence from his devices that he had accessed videos 168 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: on porn sites that had words included in the videos 169 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: the description of the title, including rape, unconscious and drunk girl. 170 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: None of those videos are believed to have contained any 171 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: illegal content, and it's not been suggested that he actively 172 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: searched for them. However, he admitted under cross examination that 173 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: he might have been influenced in his behavior by watching 174 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: these videos, and is kind of a segue into the 175 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: other scandal facing the Norwegian royal family, which also involves 176 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: evidence from personal devices, and that relates to Marius's mother, 177 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: Meda Marritt, who's been in the spotlight because her name 178 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: has appeared in the Epstein files. 179 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, just to round out the Marius section. So 180 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: what you just detailed is from the first week of 181 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: the trial, which was last week, and that he's already 182 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: been in the witness box, and that's the evidence that 183 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: we just heard. And then separate to that Manius's mother, 184 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: who is the Crown Princess of Norway who is in 185 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: line to be the Queen of Norway. She was named 186 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: in the Epstein files. Now, I'm sure everyone pretty much 187 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: is across the Epstein files by now, But if you're not. 188 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Just a quick reminder that Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted 189 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: sex offender. He died by suicide in jail in twenty nineteen, 190 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: and the Epstein files relate to all of the documents 191 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: from the past Department of Justice investigations into the crimes 192 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: of Epstein when he was alive. 193 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: So, as we've said before, being named in the files 194 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: doesn't automatically mean someone had contact with Epstein, doesn't mean 195 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: that they knew anything about anything that he was doing, 196 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: or that they engaged any wrongdoing themselves. In this case, 197 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: the files show Metamarrit emailing back and forth with Epstein 198 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: from around twenty eleven to around twenty fourteen, that is, 199 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: after he had served prison time for sex trafficking miners. 200 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: One exchange in twenty twelve sees the Crown Princess and 201 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: we can't see the actual email address because that's been redacted, 202 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: but the sort of the name before the email address 203 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: appears to suggest that it's an official address. It says 204 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 2: HRH and then Crown Princess in Norwegian. So I think 205 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: it's entirely possible that she was coming from her official account, 206 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: but we can't be sure. She appears to email him, 207 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: telling him he is quote very charming, and she asks Epstein, 208 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: quote is it inappropriate for a mother to suggest two 209 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: naked women carrying a surfboard for my fifteen year old 210 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 2: son's wallpaper? That's verbatim from the files and she is, 211 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: of course there referring to Marius Habe. The Crown Princess 212 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: has since apologized, saying she regrets having contact with Epstein. 213 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so these are two controversies facing the Norwegian family 214 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, how has Norway the population responded? 215 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? I can give you a couple of examples. A 216 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: local newspaper polled Norwegian's last year and this year on 217 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: whether they thought the monarchy should stay in place. Last year, 218 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: seventy two percent of those surveyed supported the monarchy, compared 219 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: to sixty one percent this year, so a pretty significant drop. 220 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: And of the thousand respondents, two thirds said they didn't 221 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: believe Meta Marits should become the next queen, and Norway's 222 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: Prime minister has criticized Meta Marit, saying it had been 223 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: quote poor judgment to have an email conversation with Epstein 224 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: after he had been convicted of sex trafficking minus. However, 225 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: despite these public criticisms these expressions of a lack of 226 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: support in the monarchy. A bill actually came before Norway's 227 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: parliament last week to change the constitution to get rid 228 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: of the royal family, and a majority of members voted 229 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: against it, effectively saying no, let's keep the monarchy. 230 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: Wow. Was that bill in response to these controversies. 231 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: I don't believe that it was, as far as I 232 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: can tell, and I'm not looking at incredibly verified sources here. 233 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: It has been suggested that this is something that gets 234 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: put forward every new session of parliament as like a 235 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: sort of a symbolic vote. 236 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: Got it, but they decided we still want the Norwegian family. 237 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: They're still relevant to the country. 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