1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Bungelung calcotton woman from Gadighal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: s traightt Island and nations. We pay our respects to 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: the first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to another week with the Daily os. 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: It's Monday, the twenty third of January. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: All eyes were glued to the TV in the TDA 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: newsroom or if you were me on Twitter on the 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: plane last week as New Zealand Prime Minister to Cindra 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: Adurn announced her shock resignation. 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: And so today I'm announcing that I will not be 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 4: seeking re election and then my term is Prime Minister 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 4: will conclude no later than the seventh of Tibury. 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: But while internationally she's being remembered for her empathy and 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 2: her strength in the face of tragedy, we. 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 4: Share in your grief and sorrow, and we are devastated 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 4: and we will hold you close. 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: Closer to home, she's been facing rising concerns over the economy, 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: housing and a crime. 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 5: Tonight, about forty one thousand of us will be beating 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 5: down without adequate access to housing. 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: So in today's deep dive, we're going to look at 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: what's contributed to those two very different images of Jasindra Adarn, 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: the one in New Zealand and the one outside New Zealand. 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: But first Sam what's making headlines. 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins will become the next Prime Minister of New Zealand. 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: Hipkins ran unopposed for the position of Leader of the 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: Labor Party and will be sworn in on Wednesday. Outgoing 32 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: PM Jacinda Adern announced that she was stepping down from 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: the position last week, saying she quote had no more 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: in the tank. 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: The three people charged with murdering schoolboy Cassius Turvy will 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: remain behind bars after appearing in a Perth court on Friday. 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: Alisia Louise Gilmore, Mitchell Colin Foth and Brady Lee Palmer 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: were not required to enter a plea on Friday and 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: will now return to court on the twenty ninth of March. 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: Outside court, Cassius's mother, Michelle Turvey said it's not just 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: about a court date. You know this is every day 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: for us mob here. 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: Buckingham Palace have revealed details of King Charles the Third's coronation, 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: which will be a three day affair starting on the 45 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: sixth of May. It's thought to be a shorter, more 46 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: scaled back affair than Queen Elizabeth's coronation back in nineteen 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: fifty three, with members of the public encouraged to use 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: a public holiday the following Monday to volunteer for their 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: local communities. 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: And the Good News. A trial that provided free period 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: products to school students in Helsinki, Finland, has been hailed 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: a success, with the program distributing period products to seven 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three pupils at four schools. A survey 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: conducted after the trial found the students and schools involved 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: in the pilots set at normalized menstruation and encouraged discussion 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: and debate around the topic of period poverty. Sam I 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: think it's fair to say that the resignation of New 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: Zealand's PM just Cinderadan came as quite the shock last 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: week in the office. We'd been speaking about doing a 60 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: piece for a little while actually before this news came 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: through about Jasinderajan and about what the sentiments were, both 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: inside and outside of New Zealand, because, as our comment 63 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: section reflected after the resignation announcement, there is this real 64 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: divide between how people view her on her domestic policies 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: versus perhaps the symbolism of her actions on an international level. 66 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: And so that's what I really want to talk about 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: today because we've seen it amplified in recent days, but 68 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: it's existed and it's been there for a little while. 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: In fact, the last polls of twenty twenty two were 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: some of the worst that Auden's experienced in her leadership 71 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: and were actually a return to the low levels that 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: the Labor Party, which is her party, that they were 73 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: polling at when she took over the leadership back in 74 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. And so I thought it'd be interesting to 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: look back at Ardurn's time as PM and understand the 76 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: political context she was and continues to operate in. 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: So perhaps to start this conversation, can we return to 78 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: that twenty seventeen moment where she took over power? What 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 3: did her assent to power look like? 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: So, when Jacinda Adurn took over the leadership of the 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: Labor Party, it's fair to say that they were really struggling, 82 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: but their decision to put her Jasinda Adurn, in the 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: top job paid off with a very healthy boost to 84 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: the party's popularity by almost as much as twenty percentage points, 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: which is just unheard of. She took off in the 86 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: twenty seven election and support for her was dubbed Jasindamania. 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: She was young, she was a woman. She had a 88 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: funny anecdote about this one time she djyed and she 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: mastered social media and I want to talk about this 90 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: a bit later, but she mastered social media in a 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: way that no other politicians in New Zealand could do 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: at the time, and her popularity allowed the Labor Party 93 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: to form a coalition after that twenty seventeen election and 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: unexpectedly beat the National Party, which up until two months 95 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 2: before the election had anticipated a very comfortable return to government. 96 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: And that sense of popularity has been maintained throughout her leadership, 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: at least on an international level. I can think of 98 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: a couple of key moments where she really stepped up 99 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: on that international stage. Zara, what moments do you think 100 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: of from her prime ministership. 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there are definitely the obvious ones, like 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: after the christ Church massacre in twenty nineteen, and that 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: was when fifty one people were killed in a terrorist 104 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: attack while praying at two mosques and. 105 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: A quiet Friday afternoon, a man stormed into a place 106 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: of peaceful worship and took away the lives of fifty people. 107 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: That quite Friday afternoon has become our darkest of days. 108 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: The scale of that devastation was felt around the world, 109 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: and you'll remember that photograph of Jasindra Aden being with 110 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: and holding members of the community that had just been 111 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: utterly devastated that day, and it really stuck with people. 112 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: And of course the policy response that came after that 113 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: terrorist attack with the banning of firearms has since been 114 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: celebrated around the world for the decisiveness and the quickness 115 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: with which that response was implemented. And then in December 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and something that I've noticed while reflecting on 117 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: her prime ministership is just how many tragedies New Zealand 118 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: was beset with during this prime ministership. And so another 119 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: one was in December twenty nineteen when the Fakari White 120 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: Island erupted, killing twenty one people. 121 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 6: There. 122 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: Again, Jasindra Jan was depicted demonstrating some really strong empathy. 123 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: She was meeting first responders and praising first responders, and 124 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: she later said this in Parliament. 125 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: To those who have lost or are missing family and friends, 126 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: we share in your grief and sorrow, and we are devastated. 127 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 4: I say to those who have lost and grieve, you 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: are forever linked to our nation and we will hold 129 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: you close. 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: And then there was COVID, and I think that we 131 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: saw this very human response yet again from Desindra A Dan. 132 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: I vividly remember we were in one lockdown or another 133 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: and I follow her on Instagram and so I got 134 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: an alert that she was doing an Instagram live and 135 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: it was just, I mean, the Prime Minister sitting on 136 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: the floor talking to the camera emulating this like feeling 137 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: of utter confusion that everyone else was feeling, but trying 138 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: to take people through it and speak about politics and 139 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: policies in a very human way. And I just remember 140 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: thinking that that was a really strong way to show 141 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: leadership during a time where people really really needed it. 142 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: And then more recently, who could forget it? There was 143 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: this iconic moment in a press conference that should have 144 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: never happened with Finnish Prime Minister Sana Marine. 145 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of people will be wondering a U 146 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 7: two meeting just because you know, you're similar in age 147 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 7: and you know, got a lot of common stuff there, 148 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 7: you know when you got into politics and stuff, or 149 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 7: can Kiwis actually expect to see more deals between our 150 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 7: two countries down the line, because there. 151 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: Is My first question is I wonder whether or not 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 4: anyone ever asked Barack Obama and John ki if they 153 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: met because they were of similar age. We of course 154 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: have a higher proportion of. 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: Met and politics. 156 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 4: It's reality because to women meet, it's not simply because 157 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: of their gender. 158 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good cross section of those 159 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: moments where Odurn cut through to us as a global 160 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: audience and really won people over. Now, can we take 161 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: the conversation to a more domestic front, because there definitely 162 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 3: is a different perspective of her at home right. 163 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: Yes, there is a very very big distinction, as I said, 164 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: between how we in Australia and the rest of the 165 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: world see justindraudin and how New Zealanders do so. At 166 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: one point during COVID, Justin Duddin's labor government was polling 167 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: at fifty three percent, which is unusually high, and she 168 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: won an election in a landslide back in twenty twenty. 169 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: But since that time her approval ratings have just can 170 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: continued to drop. And one of the important factors here 171 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: to understand why this decline has been occurring is the economy. 172 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: New Zealand's Reserve Bank has forecasted that the country will 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: tip into a recession in twenty twenty three and has 174 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: lifted the official cash rate by an unprecedented seventy five 175 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: basis points, so it now sits at four point twenty 176 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: five percent. If you want a comparison point for where 177 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: we are in Australia and you know, we know that 178 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: interest rates are high, we're only at three point one 179 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: percent at the moment, then there's a housing market. It's 180 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: completely completely shambolic. In New Zealand. Since November of twenty 181 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: twenty one, house prices have dropped by eleven percent. As 182 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: a comparison, house prices in Australia have dropped just a 183 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: bit over three percent in the same period. And so 184 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: with the value of homes dropping and interest rates rising, 185 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: many homeowners are worried that they'll soon owe more on 186 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: their homes than they're actually worth. New Zealand is also 187 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: experiencing a thirty year high in inflation of seven point 188 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: two percent, which means the cost of living is continuing 189 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: to grow and all of this is putting financial strain 190 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: on some people who may have already been struggling and 191 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: even pushed some into homelessness. 192 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 5: One and six kiwis have been homeless tonight. About forty 193 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 5: one thousand of us will be bidding down without adequate 194 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 5: access to housing. This was an issue that Jasindra Adurn 195 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 5: pledged to tackle as Prime Minister's. 196 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: Growing pressure on the government to admit there is a 197 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis as there well you our viewers 198 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: are telling us that there is. 199 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: And then we've also seen an increase in reports of 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: crime out of New Zealand, particularly related to something that 201 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: I had not heard of until recently. But it's called 202 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: a ram raid. And this is where a heavy vehicle 203 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: is driven straight into the windows or doors of a 204 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: building in order to rob it. And in New Zealand, 205 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: corner stores have been experiencing these kinds of attacks at 206 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: hardened levels. More than five hundred ram raids were reported 207 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: in New Zealand last year, and that's a sixfold increase 208 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: on four years ago. 209 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 6: Right, six ram raids and smashing grabs retail store overnight 210 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 6: y just overnight in the last twelve hours, and that 211 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 6: just in Auckland alone, six of them. 212 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 2: In November last year, a corner shop owner was fatally 213 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: stabbed while confronting a rubber and then this event led 214 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: to protests, with many corner shops across the country shutting 215 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 2: their doors and protesting these rising burglaries. What The opposition 216 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: National Party in New Zealand has been critical of Ardern 217 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: and of her government, and they've said that her government 218 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: is being too soft on crime. 219 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: We can't carry on like this. We can't carry on 220 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: like this in this country. This is not how we 221 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: grew up. This is not the New Zealand we know 222 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: and love. We have to take some action. 223 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: So that goes part of the way to explain why 224 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: ourdern and the Labor government ended twenty twenty two on 225 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: such love. 226 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 6: It's been a tale of two parties at Parliament today 227 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 6: with Labour trying to shrug off the latest poll results, 228 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 6: with Justinda Ardern and her parties showing their lowest results 229 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 6: since taking power. 230 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 2: And this wasn't ideal for the Labor Party with an 231 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: election on the way, which we now know will be 232 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: in October of this year. 233 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back. 234 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: There's this fascinating difference between her domestic perception and international perception. 235 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 3: I'm interested to know from you, what do you think 236 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: her legacy is going to be both at home and abroad. 237 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think that again, I need to acknowledge that 238 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't live in New Zealand, that the economic factors 239 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: that might influence voters in New Zealand don't apply to me, 240 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: And so all I can judge just into our journ 241 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: is what I have seen on the international stage. And 242 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: I guess for me the legacy that I will take 243 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: away from her Prime ministership And she said this during 244 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: her speech, but it's this matching between kindness and compassion 245 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: with strength and leadership. 246 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: I want to finish with a simple thank you to 247 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 4: New Zealanders for giving me this opportunity to serve and 248 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: to take on what has and will always be the 249 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: greatest role of my life. I hope in return, I 250 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: leave behind a belief that you can be kind but strong, 251 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 4: empathetic but decisive, optimistic but focused, that you can be 252 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: your own kind of leader, one that knows when it's 253 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 4: time to go. 254 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: I think so often we pigeonhole what women in leadership 255 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: should look like, should act like, how they should govern, 256 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: And I do think that she really changed that and 257 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: transformed the way that we understood leadership, and certainly how 258 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: she brought empathy to leadership, and I think that is 259 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: something that will be sorely missed on a global stage. 260 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: It does sound like there were some serious policy issues 261 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: for her domestically, though, Why do you think that hasn't 262 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: cut through to international audiences? 263 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: I think, and it's probably the same with how we 264 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: would view us politics. When you're not living in the country, 265 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: you just kind of see the top line, you see 266 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: the broad stroke, you see the big moments, And so 267 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: when your livelihood and your life doesn't depend on the 268 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: policymaking of any individual or government, it is certainly a 269 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: lot easier to perhaps assess kindly what they have done 270 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: in the legacy they have left. 271 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: She certainly maintained that trademark decorum and honesty and kindness 272 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: all the way up until the end of her semi 273 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: retirement speech. She'll be interesting to see what else she 274 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: does in her life. She's still relatively young for somebody 275 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: who's leaving the top job in their nation, and this 276 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: won't be the last that we see of her. Thank 277 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: you so much for joining us today on the Daily OS. 278 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: Hope you're having a good start to your week. If 279 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: you learn something from today's episode, don't forget to subscribe 280 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: so there's a TVA episode waiting for you every morning. 281 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, have a sunny Monday.