1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the Daily This is the dalyi 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: OS Oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Friday, 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: the twenty fifth of October. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. Earlier 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: this week, Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe disrupted a ceremony for 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: the King and Queen, yelling for nearly a minute about 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: the King being a genocidalist, calling for land to be 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: returned to First Nations communities, and asking for a treaty. 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: In the days since, Thorpe has been accused of breaching 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: the pledge of allegiance she took when she entered Parliament. 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: Only Lydia Thorpe doesn't think that's the case, because she's 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: claiming a bit of word play meant that she didn't 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: actually make the pledge. We'll explain everything you need to 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: know in today's deep dive, but first, Sam, what's making headlines. 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: Fine Minister Penny Wong has called North Korea's involvement in 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: Russia's war in Ukraine quote deeply troubling. It comes after 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: the White House confirmed three thousand North Korean troops have 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: been deployed to military training locations in eastern Russia. White 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: House spokesperson John Koby said it was a quote highly 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: concerning probability that North Korean troops would fight alongside the 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: Russian military against Ukraine. Speaking at the Commonwealth Heads of 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: Government meeting in Samoa yesterday, Wong said Australia stands with 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: the remainder of the international community against North Korea's involvement 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: in what is an illegal and immoral war. 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: The co owner of Australian restaurant group Nomad has pleaded 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: guilty after he was seen with a Nazi symbol at 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: a recent protest. Alan Yazbek was arrested after he took 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: an antisemitic sign to a pro Palestinian rally in Sydney, 29 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: CBD earlier this month. Yasbeck appeared in court on Thursday, 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: where he pled guilty to displaying a Nazi symbol, which 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: is an offense with a maximum sentence of twelve months 32 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: in prison or an eleven thousand dollars fine. The Nomad 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: Group owns popular restaurants in Sydney and Melbourne, and its 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: co director, Rebecca Yasbeck said her husband Allan would quote 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: no longer be involved in the management of the business. 36 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: In a statement posted to Nomad's Instagram. She said as 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: both his wife and his business partner, I was furious 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: with his actions and heartbroken by the harm they caused. 39 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: The president of McDonald's in the US, Joe Erlinger, has 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: vowed to rebuild public trust after an e Colla outbreak 41 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: was linked to the chain's quarter pounded burghers. According to 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: a food alert by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: one person has died and forty nine people have fallen 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: ill across ten different states as a result of the outbreak. 45 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 3: Ecola is a group of bacteria that's spread through contaminated 46 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: food and water. Symptoms of infection include diarrhea and stomach cramps. 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: McDonald says it's begun investigating the outbreak and suggested that 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: it may be linked to slivid onions from a singles 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: supply ELINGA said the quarter pounder has been removed from 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: menus at the chain's location in twelve separate states. 51 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: And Today's Good News, researchers have discovered the first known 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: evidence of animals living in the ocean crust. Comes after 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: a remotely operated underwater vehicle is used to conduct a 54 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: thirty day expedition in the southeastern Pacific. Last year, researchers 55 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: found worms and snails living in hidden vents beneath the 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: ocean floor. Findings published in the journal Nature show large 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: tube worms were found living in cavities below the seabed 58 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: in volcanically active area. Sabin Golner from the Royal Netherlands 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: Institute for Sea Research told Reuters it was a mind 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: blowing discovery to find animals surviving in hot, mineral rich 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: environments of the deep sea. On Monday, Independent Senator Lyda 62 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: Thorpe disrupted a ceremony honoring King Charles and Queen Camilla. 63 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: There she accused the King of genocide and mass murder. 64 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: Here's a clip of what occurred at that ceremony. This 65 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: people do not know that. 66 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Rama our bones, our scol our baby. All right, so Zara, 67 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: there's a lot in this story. I want to start 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: by first going through with you a little bit more 69 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 3: as to who Lydia Thorpe is, because she's the central 70 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: character here. We know the King's let's talk about her, okay. 71 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: So Lydia Thorpe is a Gunai, Gundichmara and Jabworung woman. 72 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: She's been a senator for Victoria since twenty twenty and 73 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: she won her seat at the twenty twenty two election, 74 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: becoming the first Aboriginal person to represent Victoria in Parliament. 75 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: She was elected as a member of the Australian Greens, 76 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: but then last year Lydia Thorpe resigned from the Greens 77 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: and moved to the cross bench. And you might remember 78 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: that that was over disagreements about the Greens's position on 79 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: the Voice to Parliament. If you don't remember, a bit 80 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: of a quick refresher. At the time, Lydia Thorpe said 81 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: that she wanted to represent the grassroots Black sovereign movement 82 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: and she said that she couldn't do that with the Greens. 83 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: And that's because the Greens were supportive of the Voice 84 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: to Parliament. They essentially came to this position that they 85 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: would support it, that they would vote yes, whereas Lydia 86 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: Thorpe ended up in the no camp, and that was 87 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: because she believed there needed to be a treaty with 88 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: First Nations people before a voice and so she ended 89 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 2: up over the course of that campaign being one of 90 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: the most vocal advocates against a Voice to Parliament. But 91 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: her opposition to it really came from this progressive roots 92 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: rather than the conservative roots that we saw, for example, 93 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: from the Coalition, but apart from the Voice. You might 94 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: have read headlines about Lydia Thorpe before, mostly because of 95 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: her activism and the form that that takes. So we 96 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: saw the Senate or physically block a Mardi Grass float 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: that was to protest police attendance, and we also saw 98 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: her attempt to take the stage at an anti trans rally, 99 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: but she was then knocked down by police and not 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: allowed to get on stage. I do want to just 101 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: finish I guess this wrap up of thought by saying, 102 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: the one thing that is really consistent in Lydia Thorpe's 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: advocacy is that she is really out there pushing for 104 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: a treaty with First Nations people. And also, I guess, 105 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: very much connected to that, she's always advocating to end 106 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: the disproportionate incarceration rates and the deaths and custody of 107 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: Indigenous people in this country. And that is something that 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: is a thread that has remained throughout all of her 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: political career and indeed her career before politics. 110 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: And that was also central to what she was saying 111 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: when she interrupted the King's ceremony exactly. 112 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: So you would have heard in that clip earlier that 113 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: I played that Lydia Thorpe mentioned a few different things. 114 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: She was speaking for more than a minute, I believe 115 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: it was before the police escorted her out. But one 116 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: of the things that she made clear, both in that 117 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: speech and in all the interviews she's done since, is 118 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: that she wants the country to have a discussion about 119 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: a treaty. 120 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: Right. 121 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 2: You know, we as a country have had conversations about 122 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: having a republic or moving to a republic, which would 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: mean we would leave the Commonwealth and we would become 124 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: a sovereign name. 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: With our own head of state. 126 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: Exactly, and without the King and without the royal family. 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: And she's been really strong in saying no, before we 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: have that conversation, we need to have a conversation about treaty. 129 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: I will also add that Thorpe said she had requested 130 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: a private meeting with a king, but that that request 131 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: had been ignored. 132 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: So we have this moment when the King is in 133 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: Canberra and Lydia Thorpe interrupts him. What's the reaction been 134 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: to Thorpe's actions. 135 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been as you would expect, fairly 136 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: split I guess I'll take it in two parts. I 137 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: might just begin with those who have supported her first, 138 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: so and I'll just run through. I guess a few 139 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: different perspectives here. So the first is from Vanessa Turnbull Roberts. 140 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: She's a lawyer and the Act's Aboriginal and Torres Strait 141 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: Islander Children and Young People Commissioner. Quote directly from Vanessa, 142 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: who said, what Senator Thorpe is demanding is what mob 143 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: are demanding. Treaties are necessary to recognize historic wrongs and 144 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: provide an opportunity to look at the relationship between Indigenous 145 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: and non Indigenous people. Then we had Celeste Little, who 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: is an an Aboriginal trade unionist. She wrote a piece 147 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: for The Guardian where she said, and I quote, resistance 148 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: to colonization has rarely been polite. The Senator asked questions 149 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: that Aboriginal people are still waiting after two centuries to 150 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: get answers to. And then I guess a different perspective 151 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: here is of Craig Foster. He was the chair of 152 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: the Republic Movement until fairly recently when he resigned, But 153 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: he had the same sentiment here. He said, we often 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: hear demands for a respect, but respect must be reciprocal. 155 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Acknowledging history and allowing the healing process to occur is 156 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: the beginning of genuine respect based in truth. 157 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: So those are some of the perspectives of people who 158 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: were supporting Thorpe's actions. Yes, there's also been another side 159 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: to this. What has the opposition been. 160 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so on the flip side of this, Lydia Thorpe's 161 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: been accused of violating her pledged allegiance to the Queen 162 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: and there have also been these growing calls for her 163 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: to resign. 164 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: So the pledge being what parliamentarians say when they start 165 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: their term. 166 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's just jump into that because I mean, 167 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: it'd be understandable if you haven't watched parliamentarians make their pledge. 168 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: But essentially, when as you said, a parliamentarian is first 169 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: sworn into Parliament, they take this pledge of allegiance. And 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to just read you out the pledge that 171 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe would have made back in twenty twenty two 172 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: when she was first pledging allegiance and first entering that role. 173 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: It says, and I'm quoting directly here I and then 174 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: your full name, Sam sam Kozowski do swear that I 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty 176 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth the Second her heirs and successes according to law, 177 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: So help me God now. Of course, when Lydia Thorpe 178 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: was first asked to make this pledge back in twenty 179 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: twenty two, Queen Elizabeth was still alive and she was 180 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: the head of the monarchy. But when Thorpe was first 181 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: asked to do this, she said, and I'll quote hear, 182 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: I bear true allegiance to the colonizing her Majesty, Queen 183 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: Elizabeth the Second. 184 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: I remember this was quite a strike. 185 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so Lydia Thorpe was asked to start 186 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: again and to do her allegiance again, and everybody thought 187 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: that she had finished that allegiance, that she had said it, 188 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: and we all moved on. But as I said, now 189 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: she's been accused of breaching that allegiance because she is 190 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: being accused of not being faithful to the Queen's successors 191 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: and heirs, which is of course King Charles. However, now 192 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 2: this toy takes another turn. Lydia Thorpe has since come 193 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: out and said she actually isn't undermining the pledge because 194 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: she never actually made it. She'd saying that she didn't 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: properly execute it because instead of pledging allegiance to the 196 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: Queen's heirs, she instead pledged allegiance to the Queen's hairs. 197 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 198 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: Here is Lydia Thorpe herself speaking to the ABC earlier 199 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: this week. 200 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: Ah, I don't remember doing that, and I swear allegiance 201 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: to the Queen's hairs if you listen close enough, it 202 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: wasn't her heirs. It was her hairs that I was 203 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: giving my allegiance to. And now that you know they're 204 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: no longer here, I don't know where that stands. 205 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 3: What an interesting turn of events in what is already 206 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: an interesting story. Yeah, there's literally going to be a 207 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: hair in it or a syllable in this one. What's 208 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 3: the response been to Lydia Thorpe coming out and saying 209 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: that second time you didn't do it properly either. 210 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: Well, the opposition in particular, i'd say, has been the 211 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: one leading the charge with this sort of criticism of 212 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe. According to Simon Birmingham, who is the Coalition 213 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: Senate leader, the coalitions now considering legal opinions about what 214 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: really happens next here. Earlier this week, he said it 215 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: was a deeply serious claim to be making that does 216 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: bring her He's again talking about Thorpe's eligibility to participate 217 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: in the proceedings of the Senate into question and then 218 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: from the government's perspective. Katie Gallaher, who's the manager of 219 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: Senate Business for the Labor Party, of course, told the ABC, 220 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: we need to find a way to make sure that 221 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: the institution of the Senate and the important role that 222 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: it played in democracy is upheld and respected. She added 223 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: that she thought that at times that's been challenged by 224 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: the behavior of Lydia Thorpe. 225 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: Okay, so what happens from here? 226 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think anyone really knows. I don't 227 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: know of a precedent of this sort of thing happening. 228 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: But Thorpe herself has doubled down. She's by no means 229 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: backing away from her comments or from this pledge of 230 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: allegiance topic itself. She said she's not looking to be 231 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: re elected, but that she's just looking to get justice 232 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: for her people. It's important to note she's not up 233 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 2: for reelection until twenty twenty eight, so she's not actually 234 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: at any risk of losing her seats. Until then, of 235 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: course anything could happen, but she's not part of her party, 236 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: she's already defected, she's already sitting on the cross bench. 237 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: So it'd be really interesting to see what happens from 238 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: here with Lydia Thoughpe. 239 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for that, Zara. It's a really interesting 240 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: story with a lot of legal ambiguity as well, which 241 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 3: I think is a whole other kind of aspect we 242 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: all need to get schooled on. Is what does a 243 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: pledge actually mean and is it breaking the law or 244 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: is it just breaking a rule of parliament. I'm sure 245 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 3: that discussion will all play out in the public arena 246 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: over the coming weeks. And thank you for joining us 247 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: on the Daily Ods this morning. It's been another huge 248 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: week of news. 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We'll be back tomorrow with your Saturday good 258 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: news edition of The Daily Os and then back to 259 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: normal episodes on Monday. Have a great end of the week. 260 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: We'll speak to you then. My name is Lily Madden 261 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Calcoltin woman from Gadigoo Country. 262 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: The Daily Os acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on 263 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to 264 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay 265 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: our respects to the first peoples of these countries, both 266 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: past and present.