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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show now, Minister, this

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the recourse is exactly what's happened in

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Speaker 1: Absolutely And you know, asking yourself, would I be happy

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Speaker 1: So you don't have any concerns that the incident on

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Speaker 3: No, Look what I what I want is people to

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Speaker 3: like any out there, maybe some people do the wrong thing,

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Speaker 3: but we need to make decisions in the messenger of

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Speaker 3: the majority of Territorians and what we want to do

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Speaker 3: is keep the community safe. And if you choose to

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Speaker 3: go and buy some ac spreak, you use it wisely

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Speaker 3: and look after yourself and be safe.

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Speaker 1: Minister quickly before I let you go. Million dollar fish

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Speaker 1: kicking off today, where can we catch it?

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Speaker 3: I wish I can answer that, Katie, cause I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be on the phone with you right now. I'd be

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Speaker 3: in my boat trying to catch it. All land based fishing.

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Speaker 3: But I was lucky enough to release a couple of

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Speaker 3: fish yesterday out in the harbor at Daina Beach, so

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Speaker 3: there might be a little bit hind of anyone goes fishing.

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Speaker 3: As of today, there's one hundred fish out there with

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Speaker 3: ten thousand there's a one million dollar Where else in

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Speaker 3: Australia can you go fishing with a serious chance of

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Speaker 3: catching a million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's right. It is a fantastic, fantastic Competition.

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Speaker 1: Acting Chief Minister for Corrections Jared Mayley really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having a chat with us this

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Speaker 1: morning about that custodial care situation as well.

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Speaker 3: No worries, Katie anytime.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you, Thanks so much much