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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast It is not afraid to

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Speaker 1: say exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba.

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Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,

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Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things

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Speaker 1: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 2: That is so fatch.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, hello and welcome back to Outspoken. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Now, Amy, you've had a bit of

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Speaker 1: a busy weekend. Yeah, I've been house hunting this weekend

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Speaker 1: and Dale couldn't come along, so I thought who best

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Speaker 1: to bring? But Mum and I loved it because Mum

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Speaker 1: and I have the same taste in houses, and Dale

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Speaker 1: had sent us a whole load of houses to look

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Speaker 1: at that I just knew.

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Speaker 2: We weren't going to get. They were real dumpy.

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Speaker 1: Houses and areas that I wasn't really keen on. So

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Speaker 1: to have Mum there basically commenting all of my thoughts

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Speaker 1: was just hilarious, or just to put it into perspective,

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Speaker 1: because you really want to live in the southeast and

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Speaker 1: Dale wants to live in the East, so you guys

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Speaker 1: have been sending one another properties kind of a bit

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Speaker 1: in a passive aggressive way, because they're always from the

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Speaker 1: areas that you guys want. And then I've been on

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Speaker 1: walks with you were like, I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: to say about this house. It's just not in the

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Speaker 1: location I want. Yeah, well, maybe I should describe one

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Speaker 1: of the houses that Dale sent me. It was a

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Speaker 1: house it was so far away from you, especially Kate.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it already. And it was just.

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Speaker 1: This old house that was covered in wallpaper, like the

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Speaker 1: wallpaper was peeling off the wall. There was just musty carpets.

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Speaker 1: There were cages outside where the owners had kept pigeons

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Speaker 1: to race, and I just was like, nah, this is gross.

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Speaker 1: But we need to throw to some commentary of Mum,

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Speaker 1: because her catchphrase every time we went into these houses

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Speaker 1: that Dale had picked was basically.

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Speaker 2: It smells in here. We need to go to the audio.

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Speaker 2: What is this on their lights? I thought they were

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Speaker 2: like pipe, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, what do they call this? How much

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Speaker 3: does it smell? The fuck's going on in this? Oh

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Speaker 3: my god, cageous, cageous, absolutely pigeon person.

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Speaker 1: I have to say I love how honest Mum is,

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Speaker 1: particularly because she knew she was being recorded. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I showed Dale the vision so he could check out

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Speaker 1: the houses, and we were absolutely cacking ourselves because Mum

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Speaker 1: was just so cute in the vision as well. She

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Speaker 1: So I don't know about this one.

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Speaker 2: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you both need to listen to the

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Speaker 1: Property Playbook, which is by a friend of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: Victoria Devine, because she talks about in the first episode

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Speaker 1: how you really have to make sure that your wants

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Speaker 1: and desires a inner property are aligning. So I feel

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Speaker 1: Well, we actually have an Excel spreadsheet that's meant to

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Speaker 1: that he selected and a vice versa. Now we try and

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Speaker 1: and the potential? So it does help it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: By at the end of the day, I think you

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Speaker 1: We also have to make the decision to put in

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Speaker 1: an office so quickly, especially with how competitive it is. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's ridiculous. Well, you guys have also had

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Speaker 1: Bad for the technician when you're sweating all over the bed.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually going in on Tuesday and getting a

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Speaker 1: but you do get a lot back on your Medicare

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Speaker 1: Five months after undergoing a breast augmentation, influencer Danny Mansuti

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Speaker 1: She also explained that it utterly destroyed every aspect of

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Speaker 1: This really shocked me because I've always been very envious

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Speaker 2: However, she went on.

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Speaker 4: I just had a thought, do you guys want me

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Speaker 1: I do not like how she directed this at her

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Speaker 1: she gets probably hundreds of DMS a day about what

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Speaker 1: she's wearing. But I feel like her turning on her

442
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: fans is really a bad move because we are seeing,

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Speaker 1: especially in twenty twenty one since the pandemic, we're seeing

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Speaker 1: people getting frustrated with influencers who they once loved and

445
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: very much people are turning on them. Well, it's clear

446
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: that Jada did cop a lot of backlash from these comments.

447
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, she posted a story about a message

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Speaker 1: she received from a follower. So this was from a

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00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: follower who called her out. They said, you are an

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Speaker 1: f and fashion influencer. You get paid to answer those

451
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: questions you see. So Jada also shared her response, which

452
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: said bit aggressive smiley face. Also, No, nobody is paying

453
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Speaker 1: me to sit on my phone and answer dms. I

454
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Speaker 1: answer them because I want to. Thanks for the message,

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Speaker 1: Have a fab day. She then shared this to a

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Speaker 1: story where she obviously included the girl's name and said,

457
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: this person is obviously having a bad day, but just

458
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: wanted to remind you that we are actually not obligated

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Speaker 1: to do anything that we do. We do it because

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00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: we want to. Don't be like this person. Now. Whilst

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00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: I think Ja Day is completely in her right to

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Speaker 1: be upset and respond to this person who has sworn

463
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Speaker 1: it her. I don't think it was fair to share

464
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: the person's name because that is just there's a flow

465
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Speaker 1: on effect there. This person is going to get bully

466
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Speaker 1: to the nth degree. I do think that the follower

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Speaker 1: had a point in terms of the message to Ja Day,

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Speaker 1: but where she went wrong was using the F word

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Speaker 1: and the seaword in the message. Well, if I had

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Speaker 1: received a message like that, I think I would have

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Speaker 1: gone on the back foot too and got a little

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Speaker 1: bit defensive because I don't think that there's As you said,

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Speaker 1: they had a valid point, but why did you need

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Speaker 1: to put the swear in it and cool leather sea word?

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Speaker 1: It was completely wrong, and I do think you would

476
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Speaker 1: be on the defense thinking, well, this person is a troll,

477
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Speaker 1: so you wouldn't really care about publicly naming them. Did

478
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Speaker 1: you see that? She also then shared a subsequent story

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Speaker 1: where she said people cancel celebs and influencers all the time,

480
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: but can we also please cancel regular rude people like

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Speaker 1: even it out a little, it'll be great. What did

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Speaker 1: you guys think of that? We did have a thread

483
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Speaker 1: going on in our Facebook community about this post, and

484
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: I very much enjoyed some people's responses because some of

485
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Speaker 1: our listeners pointed out, well, hang on, regular people do

486
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Speaker 1: get canceled, So if you do something wrong at your job,

487
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: you get punished. If you are a dickhead in public,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people are going to have a negative response.

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Speaker 1: So I do feel like jar Day was very much

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Speaker 1: out of touch with this comment because while influencers can

491
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Speaker 1: go on their story and cry and apologize and people

492
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Speaker 1: usually take that on board, if you do something wrong

493
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Speaker 1: at your job, you get fired. But also, why is

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Speaker 1: it jar Day's choice who she's going to cancel? I mean,

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Speaker 1: she probably gets heaps of comments like that on a

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Speaker 1: daily basis.

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Speaker 2: The best thing to do is ignore, and what.

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Speaker 1: We're going to cancel one girl after she sends a

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Speaker 1: message with a few swear words in it, and to me,

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Speaker 1: that message is just enticing her followers to further troll

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Speaker 1: this woman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't make it.

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Speaker 4: Why don't you sorry about your fucking with your fake.

504
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Speaker 3: Everyone?

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Speaker 1: I feel like we cannot ignore. The biggest influencer event

506
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Speaker 1: that has been put on since covid now. This was,

507
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: of course, activewear brand Staxa's launch night at Bondi event

508
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: Cinema Now they were launching their new PSV for collection,

509
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Speaker 1: which actually went on sale last Friday.

510
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Speaker 2: No, this is not an ad. We were not paid

511
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Speaker 2: by them to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I think we're probably the only people they haven't paid,

513
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: because it seems like every influencer and their dog was

514
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Speaker 1: at the event. There was m Davies, Lily Brown, Shani

515
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: grimmand and of course her boyfriend Jacob Tompkins. There was

516
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: Tarlia Scaines and Mitch Third, Tally Smythe Connor. Kathleen Madison

517
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Speaker 1: Woolley was there, but she chose to take best friend

518
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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Rodriguez. So maybe that was probably one notable influencer

519
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: that wasn't there, her boyfriend Jonathan Sower. Well, do you

520
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Speaker 1: think that was because Jonathan's ex Shanni and her new

521
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Speaker 1: boyfriend was there, Like I did, it really interesting to

522
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Speaker 1: see where they were sitting in the cinema. It seems

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Speaker 1: like Tarlia s Kanes had chosen her side because she

524
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: was in team Shani. Yeah, because Tarlia is friends with

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Speaker 1: both apparently, but as you said, it seemed like she

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Speaker 1: picked because I do feel like there was a row

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Speaker 1: of the big time influences which was sort of like

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Speaker 1: Shiny Grimm and Tarlia Scanes and Lily Brown. And I

529
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Speaker 1: feel like Lily Brown really got that party going because

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Speaker 1: I saw so many Instagram stories of that Friday song

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Speaker 1: playing and Lily Brown literally jumped off and then everyone

532
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: was dancing. Well, so what actually went on at this event?

533
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Speaker 1: Because from what I saw, Stas paid a whole lot

534
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Speaker 1: of influences to fly over and also paid for their accommodation.

535
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Speaker 1: But what was the actual event focused on. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you are correct in the fact that they did pay

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Speaker 1: for everything, because I watched Connor Kathleen's vlog and she

538
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, thank you so much for putting

539
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: me up in this hotel. They really were treated like

540
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: absolute rock stars. So at the event, they put on

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Speaker 1: a nineteen minute video on the big cinema screen and

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Speaker 1: the video starred Love Island's Australia Cassidy McGill as well

543
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: as Flex Marmi, and the video showcased the ten new

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Speaker 1: colors from the Seamless collection. Alongside, they had a live

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Speaker 1: fashion parade with actual customers that wear the brand, and

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00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: these women were in all shapes and sizes and really

547
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: showcased Stax's diversity in terms of having sizing from size

548
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: four to twenty four, so I thought that was absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: They also had the Veronicas and the Justice Crew performing.

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Speaker 1: Now I feel like I feel like this was a

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Speaker 1: little bit copied from the Happy Hour Live event because

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Speaker 1: Jess and Lisa from the Veronicas came out and performed untouched.

553
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is becoming an Aussie anthem and

554
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: literally the crowdwet nuts. I feel like, because they're on

555
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: the Celebrity Apprentice right now, they're also hot property. They

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Speaker 1: would have cost a fair bit to come to perform

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Speaker 1: at their evengs. That's what I was thinking the whole

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Speaker 1: time when I was watching all of these vlogs and

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Speaker 1: Instagram stories. I was thinking, surely Stax must get a

560
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: decent return on investment for an event like this because

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Speaker 1: it would have cost so much money to put on.

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I do wonder, though, does it actually entice

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00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: people to buy the clothes? Because we had an insert

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Speaker 1: story up about this and one of my friends actually

565
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: messaged and she made some amazing points. She said, it

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Speaker 1: actually doesn't make her want to buy the clothing because

567
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: she sees all these influencers getting it for free, so

568
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: she feels a bit stupid that she's almost gone and

569
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: being tricked to buy it. And also, if you're wearing

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00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: all this influencer push stuff, you kind of look like

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00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: a big try hard that's just following the trends. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: we did put a poll on her Instagram and we

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Speaker 1: asked our listeners do influencer events like stax event influence

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Speaker 1: you to purchase? Eighty seven percent said no and thirteen

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Speaker 1: percent said yes. I do wonder though, is that because

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00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: our listeners are very clued on about the influencer Well,

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Speaker 1: because I do think a lot of impressionable young people

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Speaker 1: would be like, oh my god, I've got to go

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Speaker 1: buy it. Her keep seeing it everywhere. So I do

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Speaker 1: genuinely think that they must make money off these type

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Speaker 1: of events. I think we're heading into a space though,

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Speaker 1: where people actually think it cheapens a brand to have

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Speaker 1: it promoted so much on social media. Yeah, because you

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00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: think of all of the brands that you associate with

585
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: social media and influencers, and it's often teeth whitening kits

586
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: and all those banging.

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00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: Body or hellow fresh and products that.

588
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you think, oh, I've tried that and it's been shit.

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00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's so much even about the

590
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: product being shit. It's literally that, you know the formula.

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00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: You have seen everyone promoting banging body. So I literally

592
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: skip those stories as soon as I see them because

593
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I know what's being said. And I

594
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: feel like the whole power of influencer marketing and why

595
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: it took off was because it was such a genuine connection,

596
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Like influencers have this parasocial connection with their audience and

597
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: you believe in what they're saying. But I feel like

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00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: over time that has become eroded and now we're seeing

599
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: a lot of fatigue around influencer promoted products, and I

600
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: think Stax Now is one of them because I think

601
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: it Obviously the brand is really great. I love this diversity,

602
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: but I do think perhaps they are maybe incorporating too

603
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: many influencers into their program, Like maybe they should be

604
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: a bit more like Gym Shark, because I think you

605
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: know who the Gym Shark athletes are, and it seems

606
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a little bit prestigious to be chosen, whereas literally every

607
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: influencer was at this event. Yeah, it kind of also

608
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Speaker 1: just I know they did have the element where they

609
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: had the real people who were in the Stacks gear

610
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: walking out at the fashion parade, but they have more

611
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: real people at the actual event. Because it kind of

612
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: almost goes, oh, look how important all these people are

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00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: and they're getting all the clothes for free, but we

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00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: expect you to pay top dollar for it. It kind

615
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: of creates this divide amongst the consumer. Yeah, it did

616
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: feel a bit like, Oh, these influencers are so important,

617
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: look at everything we've done for them. But you know,

618
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the customers, Oh, here you have to pay full price,

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Speaker 1: even though because all the influencers have now gone on

620
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Speaker 1: their story and they've literally shown that.

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Speaker 2: They were gifted.

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00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: I think it's ten different colors in the range, so

623
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: and it's all like the g strings, the bras, the shorts,

624
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: the legends, like there's a lot of product there that's

625
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: been given away. It will actually be interesting to see

626
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: if this is the last kind of event of this

627
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: size that Stacks hold, because we'll be able to see

628
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: whether they actually got returned from the investment. Yeah, I'm

629
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: really interested to see what is next because I suppose

630
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: when we're considering what we deem as expensive, it is

631
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: important to consider that traditional marketing is actually insanely expensive.

632
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: So sometimes an ad, say in a publication like The Australian,

633
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: if you did a full page ad that can cost

634
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: around twenty to forty thousand dollars and you think about, okay, well, yeah,

635
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: it would have cost a shitload to get all those

636
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: influencers there, but think of the massive reach that they've

637
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: managed to achieve by doing that.

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00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: Well, on Friday's episode, when we spoke to Britney Saunders,

640
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Speaker 1: she revealed that influencers don't actually get paid a fee

641
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: to appear on a brand trip. So you know all

642
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: that the tart brand trips, they basically just get paid

643
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: to fly over and their meals get paid for. And

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: I would kind of put this event into the status

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00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: of a brand trip because they were flying the influencers over,

646
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: So you're thinking that they actually weren't physically paid for

647
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: the appearance, but they were paid in the form of

648
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: a trip because, like it was, they were having so

649
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: much fun with all their friends. Yes, yeah, So what

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Speaker 1: I mean is if you added up how much each

651
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: of the influencers would actually charge to post about Stacks

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00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: on their Instagram and you compare it to the cost

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Speaker 1: of flying them over and making them feel really special.

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Speaker 2: It would be a lot lower. So they've actually done

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Speaker 2: quite well.

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Speaker 1: Well. We've just been talking about the Stacks event, and

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Speaker 1: I suppose this story has kind of stemmed from there

658
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Speaker 1: because it involves Talia Scains. So she seemed to make

659
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Speaker 1: a bit of a weekend of the event, and she

660
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Speaker 1: had a shopping day in Sydney, so for those who

661
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Speaker 1: don't know, she's actually originally from the Gold Coast. Now,

662
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Speaker 1: Talia decided to share this story with her Instagram followers. Like,

663
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: my body's like trying to fight off a seiness. Though

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can cate my boys, I've

665
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Speaker 1: got like a sore throat and a cough and last

666
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Speaker 1: time and I was trying to sleep, my sware throat

667
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: was so thought anyway, it's got some alma.

668
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Force and to try and knock it on its head.

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Speaker 2: Except for like, my body is just yeah.

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00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: Trying to fight it. Got myself a Chai latte on

671
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Speaker 1: oat milk, and I am just wandering out the city

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Speaker 1: and do a little shopping.

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Speaker 2: I'm try not to buy anything, but I've got a fist,

674
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: so I want to go in too, so I'm going

675
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: to do that. This morning and then I'm going to

676
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Speaker 2: the back cover inst to pot Lallas.

677
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Speaker 1: So there she is outsick as a dog, complaining of

678
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: a sore throat and a cough. These are symptoms of COVID.

679
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: I could not believe this. And then the excuse that

680
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: because she's worked in a pharmacy, she knows her body

681
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: and you know she just needs to take this medicine.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, you need to go get a COVID test.

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00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: It's so responsible though, because one, I just think, why

684
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: are you posting this on your Insta story because she'rely

685
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: going to cop backlash over it. And two it seems

686
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: to be a trend because I've seen other influencers. There

687
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: was Madison Woolly and her friendship group were all complaining

688
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: about being really sick, and none of them said that

689
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: they went and got COVID tests. Yeah. Well, Madison Moolly

690
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: actually had to pull her YouTube video because she got

691
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: so much flak over putting up that she was sick.

692
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: Yet they went out and about getting juices and going

693
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: to expensive restaurants in Sydney. They're the type of people though,

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Speaker 1: that could probably take a bit of time off work

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00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: to go and get the test. I mean that's what

696
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Just go and get a test and

697
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: actually promote that to your depressionable followers, so people follow suit.

698
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: We're living in a pandemic at the moment. Well, I

699
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: can relate to this very much, so because I have

700
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: had a bad cold and I went and got a

701
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: COVID test straight away, And I actually feel like there

702
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: seems to be a bit of judgment, particularly if influencers

703
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: are putting up that, oh, I've got a cold and

704
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I don't you know, sometimes you feel melodramatic

705
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: about doing it, and even at work I felt slightly awkward.

706
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: So I just really want to normalize the fact that

707
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: you do need to get a COVID test, even if

708
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: you know you don't have COVID, if you show any

709
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: of the symptoms. It is the most responsible thing you

710
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: can do, and a lot of people will respect you

711
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: for it, and it doesn't take very long at all,

712
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: and it's really not painful. Also, can we normalize not

713
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: going out when you're sick as well, because even if

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Speaker 1: you don't have COVID, it's so irresponsible and it's also

715
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: crazy because I went and got my flu shot the

716
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: other week and apparently there were only twelve cases of

717
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: the flu in South Australia compared to I think it

718
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: was two thousand this time last year. And the fact

719
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: of the matter is it's because people have actually been

720
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: staying home when they're sick and actually washing their hands.

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00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Most people yea, yeah, well a lot of people have.

722
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: So it shows that if you just stay home and

723
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: you wash your bloody hands, it can stop the spread

724
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Speaker 1: of all types of different illnesses.

725
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Speaker 2: It stresses me out so much I want to fucking eate.

726
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Speaker 1: Let's get into the reality rap and we need to

727
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Speaker 1: talk about Celebrity Apprentice Australia. It has quickly become my

728
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: favorite show. Amy, have you been enjoying it as well?

729
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to Celebrity Apprentice. I've got to say this

730
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: might be an unpopular opinion, but I've been loving Martha

731
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: on there, and I've also loved the veronicas. Yeah, I've

732
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: been loving the way she has been standing up for

733
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: herself and that's the whole point of the show, Like

734
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: you've got to be aggressive in the boardroom to stay there.

735
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's a generational thing because I was talking to

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00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Teresa's mum and she can't stand Martha, and neither can

737
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: our dad. Well so's boyfriend isn't her biggest fan either,

738
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: but I can see what people are saying. She obviously

739
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: doesn't hold back when she's telling people what to do,

740
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: but as a character on a TV show, I find

741
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: her really entertaining. YEP. Which really interesting because the Veronicas

742
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: have actually hit out at Celebrity Apprentice and they've labeled

743
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: it as a script drama and claimed that the show

744
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: has purposely edited them to look bad. So their comments

745
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: followed a clip which showed the Veronicas arguing while recording

746
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: their sit down interview as part of the show. Let's

747
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: go to the clip.

748
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 2: I think he was just really focused on getting it done.

749
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: I think he's can you just say it? Please? My

750
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: patience is getting thin.

751
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: So if you know what it needs to be said,

752
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: because if you know what needs to be said, please

753
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: say it.

754
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: It's not important that I say this. Okakay, I'm just

755
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: letting you know something. You're being a bit I'm irritated, lady.

756
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: For you is for you to say it rather than

757
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: tell me how to say it.

758
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Do you understand?

759
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: Okay? Thank you?

760
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: That would be helpful. It's about being helpful. I need

761
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: to take a moment after that. Okay, please stop.

762
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: I bloody enjoy that so much. I feel like that

763
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: is literally an unedited version of our podcast recording.

764
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: I know I feel sorry for them.

765
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: I felt bad when I saw that had been aired,

766
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like only really close sisters would understand.

767
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: I didn't feel bad for them because that was literally

768
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: everything that was on their reality.

769
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: Show that they approved. So what's the difference. That's true.

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00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: The thing with the Veronicas is I think they were

771
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: only rude to each other. They were never rude to

772
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: other people. We haven't seen the whole thing unfold, so

773
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe they're preempting something because there is. There was a

774
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: clip I saw for an upcoming episode and just did

775
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: seem a little bit rude. I love when they I

776
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: love their passive aggressiveness. So it's like babe or my love. Well,

777
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Jess and Lisa wrote on social media. We came on

778
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: the show to raise money for charity and awareness for

779
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: the Brain Foundation. We didn't need to do this show

780
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: for exposure. We signed on because they stressed and emphasized

781
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: it would be a show with heart. Given we had

782
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: to take physical time away from our mama to do it.

783
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Everyone knows us fighting is a part of our brand.

784
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother us. What does is bringing us on

785
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: board under the pretense of heart, then editing out why

786
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: we were there in the first place, our love for

787
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: our team, leaving us only with drama. Our charity deserves

788
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: so much better. Well, for those who aren't aware, the

789
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: Veronica's mom suffers from a rare cerebe disorder and that

790
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: is why they have chosen the Brain Foundation as the

791
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: charity they would like to support. So I feel their

792
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: pain because I think it was an important part of

793
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: their story, and I do think it should have been mentioned.

794
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it was touched upon, but they've obviously chose

795
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: to focus on more of the drama. And it does

796
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: sound like a lot of the celebrities who signed on

797
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: to Celebrity Apprentice genuinely wanted to be on there to

798
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: support their charities. Do you actually think though, I honestly do,

799
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: because there have been reports about how much each of

800
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: the contestants were being paid, and it's considerably lower compared

801
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: to celebrities who have appeared on I'm a Celebrit, Get

802
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Me out of Here and Dancing.

803
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: With the Stars.

804
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: So Michelle Bridges and Whipper they were paid the most

805
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: to appear on Celebrity Apprentice, and they earned fifty thousand

806
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: dollars each. So why is Whipper being paid the most?

807
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't get it because for me, he's a very

808
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: background like. I mean, he's been quite entertaining, but I

809
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't give a shit about seeing Wipper on it.

810
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: I know I was surprised too.

811
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: I suppose he's probably big in Sydney. The Ronicas received

812
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: together sixty thousand dollars, Anthony Calea and Ross Noble each

813
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: received thirty thousand dollars, and we haven't heard what the

814
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: other guys were getting because I would say Anthony Collier

815
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: and Ross Noble were much bigger celebrities than Michelle Bridges

816
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: and Whipper, because I feel like both of those two

817
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: actually are going to benefit from the exposure, because Michelle

818
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: Bridges is trying to redeem herself after she was caught

819
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: drunk driving with her child in the car, and I

820
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: think for Whipper it's all about building his profile. But

821
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: for Anthony Khalia and Ross Noble, they have pretty successful

822
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: careers already, as do the Veronicas. One thing that's pissed

823
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: me off about The Apprentice is the fact that the

824
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Veronicas have to act as a partnership. Like I don't

825
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: get it, Like, yes, they're twins, but why are they

826
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: considered one person? This is something that's always really pissed

827
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: me off as a multiple birth. Well, I wonder if

828
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: they had a part of making that decision, whether they

829
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: just wanted to play as one person or want entity.

830
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: I would have found it much more entertaining if they

831
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: were versing each other and to see that competitive side. Well,

832
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: who's your pick to win the Celebrity Apprentice? Well, isn't

833
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: there a rumor that Alan Sugars is following Martha? Yeah,

834
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: so she is the only contestant that Lord Sugar has

835
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: gone and followed on Instagram. Love how you're saying Lord Sugar, Like,

836
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: I love when they're like his lordship. I love Alan Sugar.

837
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: I think he's great. But yeah, so he's followed her.

838
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: So a lot of people think that.

839
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: Means she must win.

840
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I can see Martha taking

841
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: it out. I actually can because she's been very ballsy

842
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: and I think you know, she has what it takes

843
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: to win in the boardroom. Well, that's all we've got

844
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for listening to

845
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: another episode of Outspoken. If you did like the episode,

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