1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: My name's Kate Robinson. I'm a storyteller on finan Tell. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: I am an Iranian Australian podcaster who currently lives on 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Warundrii Woong and Bunoran country. I'd like to recognize the 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: traditional custodians of this continent whose land was stolen nearly 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years ago, in particular the Camerega 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: and Warunduri people whose land this podcast was recorded on. 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: And we extend our respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: Strait islander peoples that are listening. The rich storytelling history 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: of the world's oldest living culture is what we pay 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: homage to when we tell stories on Finantale. 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Jamila Risbe and we have made it. The 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: search for the next generation of Australian storytellers is about 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: to end. In this the season finale of Find and Tell. 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: Over the series, our storytellers Nayan, Kate, Ben and Mark 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: have onnearthed some really awesome stories, but it now comes 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: down to the final story on the theme of lost 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: in translation. 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: At the end of this episode, this. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: One that you're listening to right now, we are going 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: to crown our Find and Tell champion last episode, Mark 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: shared a story that was. 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: A personal one. Guys. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: He got in touch with an ex partner and he 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: investigated what ghosting feels like and also what ghosting is. 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: And now it's Ben's turn. From the jump, Ben impressed me. 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: He is someone who was born to tell stories and 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: he brings a real originality to what he does. Ben 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: took us on a true crime investigation about teddy bears 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: invading a country town, and the next he shared a 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: personal story about a day that he has carried some guilt. 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: Over for a decade. 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: Now. 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: Ben did have a bit of a stumble towards the 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: finish line with his last story. He was unable to 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: lock down the guest he was chasing, but still he 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: delivered something and he got it to us on time. 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: So credit there and now for one final time, Ben, 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: welcome to find and tell. 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Jamilla. I'm happy to be here 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 5: once again. Thank you. 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: I've psyched and I feel like you have gotten a 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: little bit less nervous every time we've chatted. Do you 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: feel like completely comfortable now? 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say completely comfortable to be honest, but yeah, 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 5: it's getting a lot better. I think just the practice 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 5: of every single story we've done, and getting more comfortable 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 5: with having a mic in front of my own face, 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 5: and you know how you get to that stage sometimes 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 5: when you're listening back to your own voice message and 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 5: you're like, ill, do I sound like that you had. 51 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: The least sort of media experience, I suppose or storytelling 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: experience of anyone coming into the competition. Has it been 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: what you expected making podcasts? 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 5: It has been so much more than I expected. I 55 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 5: think just being in a pretty privileged position to have 56 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 5: this behind the scenes like look into what you guys 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: do on a day to day basis, has been really 58 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 5: special because not a lot of people do realize the 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 5: work and effort, the collaboration and the research that you 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 5: guys do on every single episode. The entire process has 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 5: been an eye opening kind of experience for me. Every 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 5: single episode I've done has shown me something about myself. 63 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 5: So I look at the Finding Tell series as a whole, 64 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 5: and I think that, you know, win, lose or draw. 65 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: I've just been really happy to have this experience and 66 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 5: be able to step outside of my comfort zone. So 67 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 5: it's been amazing so far. 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: Ben, you had a little bit of a stumble on 69 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: your last story, you struggled to track down the person 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: you wanted to interview and you ended up getting in 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: something just on the line. But I could tell it 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: really sort of rattled you. What have you learned from 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: that experience of things just not going to plan? 74 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 5: It was one of those times where it was not 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 5: a loss, it was a lesson. So I learned something 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: from it. And I think I have come undone a 77 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 5: few times in the past when I've put all my 78 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 5: eggs in one basket and I've relied strongly on other 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 5: people to come through, and when they don't, there's a 80 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 5: bit of a learning curb. So I'm glad I had 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 5: that stumble with my previous episode, and I'm glad that 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 5: I learned from it, so I didn't make the same 83 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 5: mistake in this one. 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: Well, I am not going to keep everyone in suspense 85 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: any longer. 86 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: Let's get to it. 87 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: This is your final contribution to Find and Tell on 88 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: the theme of lost in translation. 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: Let's listen to it. Ben. 90 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 5: Just over a year ago, I was in christ Church, 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 5: New Zealand, or a holiday, and as I do, I 92 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 5: made friends with the locals. We swapped stories about homelands 93 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 5: and shared the similarities and differences between each other's cultures. Now, 94 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 5: my new Kiwi friends they were Indigenous, but they explained 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: to me that when they were in school they learned 96 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 5: the basics of the Maori language. They could count ten, 97 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 5: say basic phrases like hello, how are you? My name is? 98 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 5: They even knew how to sing the Maldi part of 99 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 5: the national anthem. They asked if I learned any Indigenous 100 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 5: languages in school, and I said no. They asked why 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 5: we didn't, and I told them I don't know. Even 102 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 5: though that was the end of the conversation. Still over 103 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 5: a year later, that question plays on my mind seriously. 104 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 5: Why don't we learn Indigenous languages in school? I remember 105 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 5: having to learn French in high school, so why wouldn't 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: we learn the first Nations language on the land in 107 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 5: which we live on? 108 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: Okay, yamando moran, you're naughty, Jeff Anderson, But Dora Rederick 109 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 4: gibbit ah BAKSTI are you well? Friends? Or hello? My 110 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 4: name is Jeff Anderson. I'm a Rojerie man from Parks. 111 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 4: Parks wasn't always called Parks. It was originally called Curajeon 112 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: or Garajoon or Galajan by the RAJRII people. 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 5: Jeff Anderson is on the front lines of language revival 114 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 5: in parks, New South Wales. Jeff teaches people of all 115 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 5: ages his native or Adur language. He's an active member 116 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 5: of the Park's Aboriginal Education Consultative Group and the Aduri 117 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: Council of Elders. He was exactly the type of bloke 118 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 5: I was looking for to sit down, have a yarn 119 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: with and ask why don't we take a page out 120 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 5: of New Zealand's book and teach indigenous languages in our schools. 121 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 4: New Zealand, that's one language. Australia, we have two hundred 122 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 4: and fifty languages, eight hundred dialects, and it makes it 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: bloody hard. If you were back in the year of BC, 124 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 4: before Cook, you would have to know seven languages to 125 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: go up to Brisbane, because if you had to stop 126 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: at one of these towns that had another language, you 127 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: would have to know that language to either get food, 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: get water then you go the next mob, or you 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 4: had to communicate in that language. You know, when you 130 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: have eight hundred different dialects, it's very very hard for 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: everybody to communicate under one roof. 132 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 5: Another challenge we face is a lack of natural language 133 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: speakers left in Australia. There's only a very small group 134 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: of indigenous communities that can communicate fluently across generations. 135 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: People go, oh yeah, yeah. People up in the north 136 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: they speak language fluently. Well what about round you? No 137 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: one speaks fluently. I can know Welcome to country fluently, 138 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: but no one can speak fluently. 139 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 5: Jeff's journey to reconnect with culture and language start in 140 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety nine after a critical workplace incident. 141 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: I was a greenkeeper by trade. I was on a 142 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: side winning roller going up and down the bowling green 143 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: and the seat cable got caught under the roller. The 144 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: roller tipped, went over the top of me and squatched 145 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 4: me back. There was very little help around for me 146 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: other than the doctor saying, oh here, try this tablet, 147 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: Try this tablet, try this tablet. Nothing works. I kept 148 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: trying to tell all the doctors the pains in me back, 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: not in my head. Ended up, I had to have 150 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 4: a back operation. The L five s one vertebrate had 151 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: actually ruptured and it had gone down half a vertebrae 152 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: and calcified under my spinal cord. So after about eighteen 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: months so that my head just said basically no more 154 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 4: and I had a complete mental and physical breakdown. 155 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: The feelings of hopelessness and isolation turned into some depression, 156 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 5: which developed into agoraphobia, a crippling fear of being in 157 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 5: public places. 158 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: I couldn't leave the house for about three years. I 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 4: was an absolute mess. I was useless. Just to go 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: to the mailbox was horrific. Ten meters I'd have a 161 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: panic attack. 162 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 5: Then one day, Jeff was visited by a friend, a 163 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 5: Gimillroy woman. 164 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: And she said, Jeff, you probably don't want to go, 165 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: but Stan Grant Senior is running language classes over at Forbes. 166 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 4: Something just clicked inside I went, yeah, let's go, let's 167 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 4: do it. So, first time in years i'd left the 168 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 4: house and I'm and I'm going to Forbes was just 169 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: thirty five k's away. So I walked in and there's 170 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 4: Stan Grant Senior talking language. 171 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: Stan Grant Senior he is a way Aduri elder who 172 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 5: has been crucial in reconstructing and sharing the way Aduri 173 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: language and culture. If the name sounds familiar, he's the 174 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 5: father of acclaimed journalist and TV presenter Stan Grant. Stan 175 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 5: Grant Senior he said to be one of the few 176 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 5: people alive today to have heard native speakers of his 177 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 5: tribe's way Aduri language. 178 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: And then he started teaching a few words, and I 179 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: could just literally feel all the three or four years 180 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 4: of absolute hell just wiping out of me. Stan pulled 181 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 4: me aside and he said, you're troubled. No, yeah, I 182 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: am uncle, And he said you need to know the 183 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: word Jinja MUTTERA. 184 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: Jinja mutter a way Adri word which means respect, but 185 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 5: also it means to go slow, to be relaxed, to listen, 186 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 5: and to be calm. Jinja mutter was the first of 187 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 5: many words that Jeff would soon come to learn, and 188 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 5: his first step towards rekindling a spark inside himself that 189 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 5: he thought long lost. 190 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: Stand tard a song, and that song become my mantra. 191 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: You want to know who that song was, because Cook 192 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: Kabarda whip Beyona Marden get again a bulk a bulka 193 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 4: better Magoo gen Cook Gabarda, Cook Gabarda get again, the 194 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: Moreland Baala and all it was Kokabar sits in the 195 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 4: old gum tree. No, and this is me, This is 196 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 4: where I belong. This is what's been missing in my 197 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: life because all my life. There was that one little 198 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 4: black void that was my dreaming, and that little black 199 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 4: void right deep down in your soul up until you 200 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: actually find out your heritage that fills out that black hole, 201 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 4: black void. And I just went, wow, I'm home. I 202 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: am home. 203 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 5: Jeff started traveling back and forth between Parks and Forbes 204 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 5: to learn why Adurie, with no real plans of teaching 205 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 5: it himself. He had a chance encounter at the local 206 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 5: library when he stumbled upon a class of school kids. 207 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 4: There was a teacher there by the name of Angelo Fitzpatrick, 208 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: and as I'm leaving, she said, mister Anderson might know 209 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 4: no man, mister Anderson might know what how to sing head, shoulders, 210 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 4: knees and toes in another language. I went, yeah, I 211 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 4: do well. Here I am in front of these big, savage, 212 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: kindy kids, and I was starting to have a panic attacked. 213 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 4: She goes, it's okay, it's all yours. So then I 214 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 4: went started to teach him head, sheldons, knees and toes. 215 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 4: B I'm god bunger boll pudding, me, bunker ball pudding. Me. 216 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 4: Kids loved it. So I go home. Next thing, you know, 217 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: Angela rings and says the kids want more. So I 218 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 4: was going over to stand ground at Forbes. Then I 219 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: was coming back and I was sort of working out 220 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 4: what little bits I could go around and teach the 221 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: kindy kids with. 222 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 5: When you say you taught them in school, was it 223 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 5: exclusively to Indigenous kids or was it to all students? 224 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: He taught all students. It was everybody. I've been in 225 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 4: a few rooms where a couple of teachers have gone, 226 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: oh great, I've got half an hour and I can 227 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 4: just do catch up on my work. I'm going no, no, no, no, 228 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 4: you're in on this class. I'm not here to give 229 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 4: you half an hour break. You're in on this class too, 230 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: and you're here to learn. 231 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 5: The spark that Jeff found in his first language class 232 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 5: quickly grew into a passion which in time became his purpose. 233 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 5: His journey to strengthen his personal relationship to country and 234 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: culture led him to work with First Languages Australia, whose 235 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: job it is to strengthen and preserve Aboriginal and Torres 236 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 5: Straight Islander languages. Well. 237 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 4: First Language is Australia. We are the national body of 238 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: average languages where the go between between the Federal government 239 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 4: and language centers We've gone from doing little, tiny jobs 240 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 4: that we thought were absolutely stupendous to sitting down at 241 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: the table with like Turny Burke and Linda Bernie and 242 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: getting extra funding for average languages and language centers. So 243 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: that's our job, is to make sure that the language 244 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: is taught everywhere. I use this catchphrase I have for 245 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 4: many times I go by. You've got to give it 246 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: away to keep it. You've got to give it away 247 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: to keep it. 248 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,119 Speaker 5: While I didn't get the opportunity to learn my Aboriginal 249 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 5: language in school, people like Jeff Anderson and organizations such 250 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 5: as First Languages Australia are helping to ensure that for 251 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 5: our future generations they have the opportunity to learn Aboriginal 252 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: languages in the classroom. With twenty four language centers currently 253 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 5: operating nationwide, there are more resources for language revival now, 254 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 5: more than ever in Australia's history. But not everyone believes 255 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: that First Nations languages should be shared so freely. 256 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 6: Mine's Richard Campbell. I was born in Kyoma. My mob's 257 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 6: are during Gange Mob from down in fast South Coast. 258 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 6: Give me all of the late cultural connections all the 259 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 6: way through to the North Coast. My titles are wum Brother, 260 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 6: Black Duck, We've Good near the Black Swan. 261 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 5: Uncle Richard Campbell is a renowned cultural educator, artist and 262 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 5: mentor who is dedicated the majority of his life to 263 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 5: preserving and passing on ancient traditions Madara wal and you 264 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 5: and nations. Through his company Kumara, he shares dance, art, 265 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 5: knowledge and language gifted to him from his ancestors. Much 266 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 5: like Jeff, Uncle Richard's return to culture was a calling. 267 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 6: I was always always on walk about and I couldn't 268 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 6: find my feet. That my old man got sick and 269 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 6: I went down a depression road. I was laying on 270 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 6: the bed there one night and I felt something tugging 271 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 6: on me lean. So that was a sign for me. 272 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 6: That was my old man there telling me to get 273 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 6: back into the culture. And that's them old followers, you know, 274 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 6: the old guide Joe on the right road that you 275 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 6: want to take, especially if. 276 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 4: You look for culture. 277 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 5: Why do you think it's so important to maintain language 278 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 5: and pass on the stories to the next generation. 279 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 6: Well, that's very important. Language was the key to our culture. Okay. 280 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 6: Language identified who we are, where we're from. We introduce 281 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 6: ourselves in language. I asked where they're from in language. 282 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 6: You know, I do welcome the country in language. We 283 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 6: sing in language. All our dancers, you know, greet inner language. 284 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 5: Well, there's no argument about the importance of preserving language. 285 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 5: Uncle Richard, like many other elders, are reluctant to Russian 286 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 5: into implementing their sacred native language in schools. 287 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 6: It's got to be our people that text that language. 288 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 6: Because if you say one letter, one roll of the 289 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 6: tongue wrong, and then the next person copies you saying that, 290 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 6: then the next person bang, that word's gone. So he's 291 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 6: got to be pronounce right, said right, everything like that. 292 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 6: So that's why you know, language in the schools, you know, 293 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 6: it's going to be a heart thing. You know, language 294 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 6: needs to be revitalized right back in. But instead of 295 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 6: putting it into the curriculum, first, put it back to 296 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 6: our people. 297 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 4: First, give our people. 298 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 6: A chance to speak their native tongue again. 299 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 5: After decades of government policies banning and discouraging language, it's 300 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 5: no surprise to me that many communities and elders aren't 301 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 5: too keen to hand their language over to just anyone. 302 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: I've discovered a lot of elders who are worried about 303 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 4: when we first started teaching it because you see, when 304 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 4: they grew up, they weren't able to speak it, and 305 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 4: school was not a happy spot for it. 306 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 6: You know, if we they called us speaking in our tongue, 307 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 6: our language, would get punished for it. I remember my 308 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 6: dad there saying, you know that he's old people or 309 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 6: couldn't speak the language otherwise they get whipped tied to 310 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 6: a tree, things like that. 311 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: There standing around. He showed me a few things where 312 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: I couldn't talk about. And that's what I think what 313 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 4: they're a lot of them worried about. We're going to 314 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: start talking about stuff that you can't talk about taboo. 315 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: There was things we had to cut out mad to 316 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: say you can't do this or you can do that. 317 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 4: There's stuff there that will get lost in translation if 318 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 4: you try so we just won't do it. You know, 319 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 4: it's good. 320 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 6: The educational department are getting it in the curriculum that 321 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 6: he's good. But I just don't want it to jump. 322 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 6: And that's what I'm worried about, because this is another 323 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 6: way of you know, how language could get lost one 324 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 6: hun loss. 325 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 5: First Nations languages did not simply fade away. They were 326 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 5: actively silenced by governments, schools and missions. Today, our languages 327 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 5: are critically dangered in Australia. They continue to die out 328 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 5: at a rapid rate, faster than anywhere else in the world. 329 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 5: Without intervention. It's estimated that the language knowledge will cease 330 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 5: to exist in the next ten to thirty years. The 331 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 5: loss of First Nations languages is a loss for all Australians. 332 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 5: Cultural knowledge and concept are carried through language. Where languages 333 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: are eroded and lost, so too is thousands of years 334 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 5: of Aboriginal wisdom. What would you say to somebody who's 335 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 5: feeling a disconnect from their culture in today's. 336 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 4: World, Sit down, learn words and just feel that little 337 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: spark within you. Just start off. It is the best feeling, 338 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 4: absolutely the best feeling. It basically hels you, that's the 339 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: best way to put it. It heals you spiritually, mentally, physically, emotionally, 340 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 4: any other way. We're doing reclamation through education. If we 341 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: can reclaim the knowledge and the understanding of everybody through 342 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 4: the kids, you know we're going to have a pretty 343 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: good world to look at in the future. 344 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 6: You know, this is our culture. We keep our cultural 345 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 6: life and doing that is what I do every day. 346 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 6: Whether there's painting, dancing, recording songs for our dance troup, 347 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 6: working out programs, and I've taken men away on country, 348 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 6: making artifacts all their stuff every day, maintaining that continuous 349 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 6: culture connection with. 350 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 7: The land mothers, with. 351 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 6: The oldest culture in the world in Australia. They got 352 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 6: the oldest history in the world here in Australia. Everyone 353 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 6: should embrace it, be. 354 00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: Proud of it. 355 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 6: Our cultures being in now for sixty five thousand years, 356 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 6: are still strong. I'm gomari are passing on knowledge to 357 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 6: the next generation who want to carry for another sixty 358 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 6: five thousand years. 359 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 2: Ben, What an extraordinary job you've done. How do you 360 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: feel now that that fourth episode is out there? 361 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel really good. I mean, I really wanted 362 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 5: to be delicate with this with this one because it 363 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 5: meant it meant so much to me, so I wanted 364 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 5: to do a lot more thorough research and to make 365 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 5: sure that I was doing the story justice. 366 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: This is the first episode in which we've heard you 367 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: exploring your own indigenity as well. And of course Find 368 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 2: and Tell is this joint project of Black Cast and 369 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: iHeart that is all about platforming diverse voices, including first 370 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: Nations voices. Can I ask if there was a reason 371 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: you waited so long. 372 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 5: I knew that I wanted to do a story about 373 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 5: my indigenous heritage from the get go, and I'll be honest, 374 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 5: I got really worried in the beginning because I thought 375 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 5: I had burnt the three episodes on not mentioning it 376 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 5: as well. That's why I was like so happy that 377 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 5: I got through to the final because I was able 378 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 5: to not only link this to Lost in Translation really 379 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 5: really well. The theme itself kind of made it really 380 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 5: clear to me like what I wanted to do with it, 381 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: but also it was the longest episode we got, so 382 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 5: I knew if I was going to give it justice 383 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: in any episode, it was going to be on this one, 384 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 5: because I don't think I could get the message across 385 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 5: how I did in this episode in a five to 386 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: ten minute episode. 387 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 2: I think you made the right call. It doesn't feel rushed, 388 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel tokenistic. It feels like it almost feels 389 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: luxurious in the amount of information and storytelling that we 390 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: were able to receive. I felt like listening, I could 391 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: really sit with some of the issues that you and 392 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: Jeff and Richard were bringing to the fore there, has 393 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: it changed your own understanding about culture and language at all? 394 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 5: Absolutely? Like personally, I had my mind changed through this episode. 395 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 5: I even could have been considered as somewhat naive thinking 396 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 5: that every Indigenous person who's worried about the extinction of 397 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 5: language would be on board to push it into education, 398 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 5: or would be on board to sharing it more freely 399 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 5: just in hopes that we don't lose it. Even for myself, 400 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 5: an Indigenous person who knows how important language and culture is, 401 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 5: to be able to sit down and speak with someone 402 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 5: like Uncle Richard Campbell, who explained that it's almost scary 403 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 5: to give such sacred language to somebody else other than 404 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 5: our own people, because it means so much to us. 405 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 5: With Uncle Richard Campbell as well, like he's an Indigenous elder, 406 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 5: heavily involved in a lot of my family member's lives 407 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 5: for a very long time. He speaks so passionately about 408 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 5: what he does on a day to day basis, which 409 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: is purely and one hundred percent about keeping culture alive. There, 410 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 5: did you redo in the music that you hear that's 411 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: actually his that's his dance trape in Gomara as well? 412 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 5: He actually was happy enough to offer that to us 413 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 5: to use for the episode. 414 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: What do you want the listeners to take away from 415 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 2: this episode? 416 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 5: I never wanted it to be two people's conflicting opinions 417 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 5: like that's not the point of this episode. And I 418 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 5: hope that translated across and I hope it does get 419 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 5: received by audiences like that. I wanted to bring up 420 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 5: the fact that something that is an issue in our country, 421 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 5: and even though we have two different people who are 422 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 5: fully aware of this situation, they still have different approaches 423 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 5: on how to fix the same issue. And it wasn't 424 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 5: to showcase who's right or who's wrong, or the pros 425 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: and cons of either. Whichever way you want to sit 426 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 5: on it, you can, but going forward, something needs to 427 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 5: be done. 428 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: Ben enormous congratulations. It is a really remarkable episode. I 429 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: hope you are very proud, not just of what you've 430 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: created for today, but what you've created over the whole series. 431 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 3: And we'll talk to you again very soon. 432 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, thanks for having me, and yeah, 433 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 5: I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as 434 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 5: I enjoyed creating it. 435 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: So who will be crowned our find and Tel champion 436 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: and take home the Grand prize. Will it be Mark 437 00:26:52,520 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: or will it be Ben? That decision in just a moment. Hey, 438 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: Mark and Ben, welcome back to Find and Tell. It's 439 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: nice to have you both in the studio together. Hello, 440 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: how are we feeling? Is that a fake excited voice? 441 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: Are we nervous? 442 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 7: My heart is pounding. It is pounding so hard, like 443 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 7: it is up in my brain. That's okay, that's a normal. Yeah, 444 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 7: it's a moment. 445 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 3: How are you feeling, Ben. 446 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 5: I'm actually pretty chill. I'm all right, it's just confidence. 447 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 5: I think I've just Yeah, these last couple of weeks 448 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 5: have just kind of taken every last nerve I have 449 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 5: in my system out, so I don't think there's anything left. 450 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: Fair Well, I'm going to put you out of your misery. 451 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: We're going to just crack right on with this, folks. 452 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: The time has come to announce the first ever, first 453 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: ever winner of Find and Tell, Who between Mark and 454 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: Ben has told the best story on the theme of 455 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: lost in translation. First, Mark, you told us a story 456 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: about ghosting, and you brought your trademark winkanan nod to 457 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: the audience. 458 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: I love the. 459 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: Fact that you are willing to break the fourth wall, 460 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: that you bring us closer to you. You are so 461 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: open to being vulnerable and honest with the audience. I 462 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: genuinely think you have Oprah like clarity. And I am 463 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: not just saying that about emotional challenges. I think that 464 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: is your secret source, your sweet spot, your unique selling point, 465 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: let's say. And I very much hope that in the 466 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: future I get to hear a Mark All on his 467 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: own podcast were you're just counseling me through all my 468 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: emotional dark times and helping me get to what's next. Congratulations, 469 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben. Your story was about First Nations language 470 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: in Australia. I think you have a natural curiosity, which 471 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: is what makes an extraordinary storyteller. And even the way 472 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: in your episode you had two people with different perspectives, 473 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: but you didn't set them up as if we were 474 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: on Sky News going head to head and telling one 475 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: another we were wrong. We just had two slightly different perspectives, 476 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: which for me as the listener and for the audience, 477 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: it meant that we got to kind of come with 478 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: you on that learning journey. 479 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: Again. Very impressive. Congratulations, Thank you so much. 480 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: Well, folks, I have made my decision and the winner is. 481 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: Then Congratulations. 482 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: You are the first ever of by tell you are kidding? 483 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 7: Wow? 484 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: Wow wow wow, Ben, you look totally shocked there was 485 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty chance. 486 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 3: Then make congratulations. How are you feeling? Oh? 487 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 5: I don't even know what to say. Honestly, I didn't 488 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 5: think there was going to be in the top four 489 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 5: to begin with, and to make it through to the 490 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 5: next stage of Mark, who's obviously just an amazing storyteller 491 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 5: in his own right, to be concer hit it as 492 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 5: a competitor and put into the same league as somebody 493 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 5: who who is very confident in front of a microphone 494 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: to somebody like me who's never done it before. And 495 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 5: I thought I was well out of my comfort zone 496 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: and my depth. And I think I've found a really 497 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: important part of myself that I didn't even know was 498 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 5: there doing this series. So thank you guys so much 499 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 5: for opening up a new door and allowing me to 500 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 5: explore my creative side and actually realize that maybe people 501 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 5: do like to hear what I have to say. 502 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: Who would have thought, I think that is definitely true. 503 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: You can be well assured of that you did some 504 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: incredible storytelling through this series, as did you. 505 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 5: Mark. 506 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 3: Congratulations on being a runner up. 507 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: We're very excited that we're sending you home with an 508 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: after's course as well, so that you are going to 509 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: be finding and telling into the future. 510 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: What's next for you? 511 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 7: A sleep? Maybe? 512 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's well served for both. 513 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 7: But also like for me as a runner up, Like 514 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 7: what an honor it is to be a runner up 515 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 7: to a storyteller like Ben, who's so proudly embodies First 516 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 7: Nations storytelling so incredibly well, and like the Alarican Steve 517 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 7: Irwin vibe, you need that, like it's a I don't 518 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 7: know if this is the right term, that it's a 519 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 7: dying breed, but oh my goodness, that that vocal texture, 520 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 7: Like we have to keep hearing that. Whatever route you 521 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 7: take with this, you have to continue, like there's no 522 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 7: other way. We've introduced the public to your voice, and 523 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 7: like now we got to hear it. 524 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: It has been an absolute privilege getting to hear both 525 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: of your stories and of course Kate and Naan stories 526 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: as well. We wanted to find ourselves a winner, and 527 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: we have a very very worthy winner in you, Ben. 528 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: I hope that you both and Naan and Kate two 529 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: keep telling stories. The idea of this podcast, the idea 530 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: of Find and Tell was to go out and to 531 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: unearth some new voices in the Australian media landscape and 532 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: to find some diverse voices to boot. 533 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: We've definitely done that. I'm so proud of you both. 534 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 5: Congratulations, Thank you so much you. 535 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: If you've enjoyed this series, share it with a friend 536 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: and leave a glowing review. A huge congratulations to Nayan, 537 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: to Kate, to Mark and of course to our winner Ben. 538 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 2: To have even been selected from the hundreds of entries 539 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: is an incredible feat. Congratulations also to our production team 540 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: for their tireless and I mean tireless work on Find 541 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: and Tell, and thank you to you the audience. Without 542 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: you lending us your ears, we wouldn't have been able 543 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: to achieve what this entire series was about, to discover 544 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: and showcase the best new and diverse voices Australia has 545 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: to offer. Thanks also to Afters and Road Australia for 546 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 2: supporting our storytellers with some awesome prizes. Find and Tell 547 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: was a co production between iHeart Australia and the black 548 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: Cast podcast network. 549 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 3: Black Cast empowers 550 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 2: First Nations people and people of color to reclaim their 551 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: narratives to strengthen cultural identity, and to contribute to a 552 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: more inclusive Australia by showcasing exciting emerging talent from Australian communities.