WEBVTT - Graeme Hall - DOGS BEHAVING VERY BADLY - TV Presenter 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.840 TV Reload, the podcast past Deep their line Welcome back 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.200 guys to TV Reload. As you may know, my name 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.000 is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to get 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.600 all the inside goss all the popular TV shows you 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.880 may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, our TV 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.439 sets are a major part of our home entertainment, and 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.120 yet very little is known about how our favorite shows 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.960 get made. So each episode, I've been finding guests that 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:25.959 want to dive just that little bit deeper into the 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.440 shows they're currently making, so that you can hear all 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.880 their exclusive stories and gain access to the biggest names 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.400 in Australian television. I want to thank you for downloading 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.360 or subscribing to this podcast however you've found me. I 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.640 love hearing your feedback, so make sure you leave a 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.239 review or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. On 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.440 today's podcast, I have Graham Hall, otherwise known as the 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.400 Dog Farmer. He's talking to me from the UK. He's 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.240 a dog behaviorist from Network ten's latest lifestyle series Dogs 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.000 Behaving Very Badly. Graham has helped more than five thousand 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.560 people and their furry companions in the UK now arrived 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.760 in Australia ready to turn his hand to Australia's most 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.440 chaotic canines. Narrated by TV week Gold Logi twenty twenty 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.240 three nominee Julia Morris, Dog's Behaving Very Badly Australia is 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:16.160 holding Australia's naughtiest poochas and their owners to accounts. But 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.279 will Graham's mantra any dog, any age, any problem bring 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.800 true down under. I will talk to Graham about whether 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.160 or not it's fair to call all the dogs naughty 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.480 when in actual fact, most of the time it seems 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.240 to be the owner's fault. Graham will talk about how 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.760 we came to specializing in dog's behavior and where the 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.200 nickname dog Father came from. I will find some tips 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.440 for you and your dog, and you will get some 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.840 insights that will change your relationship with your pet for life. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.679 Plus we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.760 scenes of Dogs Behaving Very Badly. Which premiere is this 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.600 Thursday at seven thirty on Network ten and of course 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.720 you can catch up on ten play if you miss it. Anyway, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.760 let's bring Graham into the podcasting guys. I really hope 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:01.800 you enjoy this very insightful episode of TV load. Hi Graham, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.520 how are you. How's the weather over there? 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.120 I'm very well it's summer here, so smer is what 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.400 you describe as winter basically in England, as you probably know. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.040 But it's okay. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.680 Yeah, did you get good weather while you were here 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:16.320 in Australia? 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:16.760 I did? 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:17.440 Do you know? 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.359 It's a funny thing because they planned to start filming 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.800 the show initially in January. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:24.240 February. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.800 Right, You're going to go to Australia January wearing a 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.600 tweed jacket and a waistcoat and a cravat, and you're 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.120 going to be filming there. And I said, hang on 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.920 a minute, you know what the weather's like in January 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.960 and Australia Rice. So we actually started filming in March, 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:42.799 but got to Sydney and everybody saying it's unusually warm 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.720 March this so yeah, thirty eight degrees one day. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.320 I could have done like a you know, a cross 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.920 promotion with Bondai Rescue and we'd have to rescue Graham 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.720 on the beach from hate stroke. You know. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:55.560 Yeah, that'd be the kind of thing. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:55.880 Yeah. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.240 Now, I got very used to SPF fifty on the 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.080 screen slip slip, slap slosh. Is it? What's the thing? 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:04.120 You say? Yes it is. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.080 I got very into that, so no, we had lovely time. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.400 And then I discovered Victorian weather, which was very different. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.240 You know everybody says four seasons in one day in Melbourne. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.880 Well I think it's not so much that as if 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.160 you don't like the weather right now, just wait ten 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:20.680 minutes because it could be different. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.160 I'm talking to you right now from Melbourne, and I 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.760 like to describe the weather here is bipolar. So right, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.560 it's about right now, it's about right. So yeah, this 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.920 must have been really fun to come over here and 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.200 share your knowledge on dogs because you're so recognizable at home. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.080 But you know, how did this show come about for 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.160 you in Australia? 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.920 Yeah, well I think the story goes the boss at 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.240 Network ten was chating to the boss in Channel five 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:54.120 in England about television shows, and the boss here, who's 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.960 a big fan of the show of themselves, basically said 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.320 you want some dogs behaving very badly in Australia, and 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.680 you know guess what That became the title. So it 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.640 all went from there. Somebody got in touch with me 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.560 and said, hey, hey, how do you fancy going down 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.480 Unders to do the same show. So I had to 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.960 think about that for about a millisecond before I said yes, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:12.560 and here we. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.400 Are, well our dogs behave badly, just as badly, very 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:16.360 badly compared. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.720 Do you know the question everybody asked me is that 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:24.680 we're our dogs worse the UK dogs. Generally speaking, I 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.000 would say people are people are dogs are dogs pretty 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.159 much wherever you go, right but but big bus and 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.520 it's a good buss. What I did find in Australia 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.480 is is real positivity from people. You know, you get 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.200 it here in England, but you do get a few 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.240 sort of like it's never going to work you out 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.840 a bit of that The phrase for me that defines Australia. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.280 And it's not all the things that the Brits think 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.760 that Ozzie say, like faired income and all that malarchy. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.960 It's actually I'll give it a go because I would 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.280 say to people, this is the problem, this is what 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.320 I think we've got to do. Bear with me with this, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.080 and the thing I heard almost every single time was yeah, okay, man, 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.640 I'll give it a go. And that's Australia to me. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.159 It's a country of people who give it a go, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.240 and I love that. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:11.680 I love it as well. Do you know what's so 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.680 funny about the title of this show? Though? For me? 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.599 I mean, we can't call it this because it wouldn't work, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.840 because it's would get people that give people the wrong idea. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.320 But I feel like it should be humans behaving badly 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.880 because after I watched a few episodes, I didn't really 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.279 take task with the dogs. I started taking task with 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.359 the people. I was like, is this a dog problem 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.960 or is this a person problem? Yeah? 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.960 No, you're absolutely right. Funny enough, I've said that myself 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.320 in the past over here in the first couple of series. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.640 You know, come on, technically speaking, it's not really the 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.320 dog's behaving badly, or at least if they are behaving badly, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.960 it's because the humans made them that way, you know. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.599 But actually a show called dogs behaving very badly because 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.240 they're humans made them behave very badly. Australia, it's not 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.680 going to fit on your programming guide, is it. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:57.840 I don't know if that's is that longer than I'm 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.080 a celebrity, Get me out of here, you know, Do 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.000 you know what I mean? It's getting there? 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.120 It probably is that one. We just shortened it to 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.919 I'm a celeb, don't we so? But yeah, now, but 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.360 you're absolutely right. It is about the people. And an 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.120 old dog trainer one said to me, it's actually the 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.800 guy who got me into this because I was doing 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.000 it as a hobby. I had two rot volus of 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.920 my own, young dogs, young male dogs, and I thought, right, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.320 these two have got to be immaculate, because you know, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.240 Rossie's got themselves a bit of a reputation, probably unfairly, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:27.640 so I thought, right, these two are going to be 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.400 trained to the nth degree. And then this guy said, look, 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.640 why don't you take this up professionally? So I said, okay, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.080 well that's an interesting thing. Why why do you think 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.960 i'd be good at it? And he surprised me because 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.279 he said, you're good with people. And I thought, okay, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.000 well that's nice to hear, but I thought you might 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.240 say dogs. And he said, no, no, you're good with dogs, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.240 and lots of people are good with dogs. But and 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.039 this is the key thing, and it's never left me. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.040 You can only fix the dogs through their people. So 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.080 you've got to get the people side of it. And 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.159 it's also not good enough for me to just turn 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.799 up as a sort of dog handler, do some magic stuff, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.640 show off a bit, and then go there you go, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.800 I'm out here. It's very much about that's how it works. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.120 But you two can do this and I'll let you 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.560 into the secrets of how I just did that. And 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.200 that really is what this shows about. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.320 I was going to ask you, is it like being 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.720 a psychic median and like just one day you have 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.720 a spiritual awakening and like ace venture, a whole lot 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.680 of dogs just followed your home, or you know, had 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.280 you been sired in some way, But really you're just 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.160 a psychologist. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:32.200 Yeah, it's very largely logical, right, but there is a 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.120 tiny percentage of I don't know how I knew that. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.280 And I'll give you an example. We were we were 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.840 with a dog. This was a New South Wales as 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.840 a dog who didn't like getting into cars would not 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.240 get into a car, and it was it was having 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.560 a big impact on the owner's life. And we just 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.240 sort of assumed that this dog was being a bit 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.520 stubborn because he was a greyhound. He could have jumped 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.239 over the car right let alone get into the back seats. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.080 So I'm just looking at him think, oh, he's just 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.600 he's just yeah, he's just digging his seals in theth 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.800 do it. And then I sat in the car because 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.520 I thought, right, what I'll do is I'll show him. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.320 I go in the car first. It's fine, and then 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.760 he can follow me lead and then others follow. Right, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.680 Why push a dog from behind when the dog's thinking, well, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.960 you're not getting him, why should I? I'm going first. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.720 Because I was in first, I could see his eyes 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.160 as he's looking at the car, and everything changed in 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.560 that moment. It went from he's just been stubborn, so 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.280 I could see him kind of going, I don't know 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.200 how to do this, you know, And it's like, oh, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.960 I get it. So yourmom, you you could do it. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.680 I know you can do it, but you don't know 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.080 you can do it. You're scared, and there's so there's 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.880 a lot of logic to want to do, but there 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.000 is that moment where it's a bit of feel. You know, 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.560 you just look at a dog and I can't explain 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.760 exactly how you'd know this, but you just look at 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.880 me and go, oh, mat I get it right. You 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.520 need a bit of help. So then the logic kicks 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.200 back in. It's like Okay, how can I make a 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.560 stepping stone for this guy to get in this car? 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:50.880 Right? 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.680 How can I sort of convince him that he can 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.199 do this? I put the front seat forward a bit 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.839 so he could get onto the into the footwell of 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.480 the of the back of the car, if you imagine you, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.520 and then jump on the seat from there. So do 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.760 this first, then do that, do this, do that, do this? 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:05.040 Do that? 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:05.280 Right? 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:06.839 Two or three times of that, and he's like, I 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.400 wouldn't do this, Yeah, yeah you can? You always good? Oh, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.880 jump in there you go, and there's a lovely moment. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.439 The lady tried it for herself. Dog jumps in the 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.960 gar next to her and she was really emotional because 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.280 that's all all he needed was me, Yeah, there you go. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.000 So that you know, there's two sides of your brain, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.040 the sort of logical side and the creative Beeley side, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.880 you know, the touchy feely bit. You need both sides. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.880 Actually it's not all logic, but it helps to think 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.720 with your head a bit as well. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.000 I just like the fact that people call you the 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.920 dog father, Like this is the coolest nickname for you. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.360 Did you self impose that? Like were you having a 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.679 wine or a Sherry with the missus and you just 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.840 dawned on you. Does someone Did someone give you that nickname? No? 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.440 I did sort of give it to myself. It was 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.960 the case that somebody would be a bit more honorable 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.720 if somebody else. Now I'll tell you what it was. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.280 I started the business. It's an interesting story. I'd been 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.160 working for a big breakfast cereal company, wat to mix. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.920 You got wheat, it's wheat bixing, Yeah, idiots, Yeah. And 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.079 I was pretty senior with them, and I jumped out 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.880 with the package, as you do. I thought right onto 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.600 the next start of my life. And I was going 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.840 to do something else, not dog training. Long story, but 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.199 I thought, right, Okay, I'm going to do this dog 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.120 training thing because this guy said, you know, maybe I'd 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.640 be good at it. I need a catchy name, you know, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.240 and because you know Graham Hall dog training. You can't 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.040 forget it, don't you. And I was sat walking my dog, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.400 sat in the car abank to get my dog out 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.160 to go for a walk at the local dog walking 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.800 spot where everybody goes. Lady turned up who was a 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.360 professional dog walker, and in the back of the steak 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.480 car she'd written her name and the dog mother, two 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.600 separate words. And I looked and I thought, the dog 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.559 with dog mother. You missed a trick there, because it 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.120 should be one word, shouldn't it really? Dog dog father? 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:49.320 Dog father? Are you beauty? 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.120 Kind of got Graham there for a second that you 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:52.880 were going to say that you leaned back in the 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.839 car and did the godfather accent to the dog walker. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.320 Well, well, I did a quick surge online. Oh, turns 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.400 out the website's available. Nobody's got dogfather dot com. Nobody's 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.959 calling themselves the dog Father, So I'll do that bit 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.760 of fun right. The first website was to your point was, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.719 you know, give us a ring and we'll make you 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.760 an offer you can't refuse. But I realized it sounded 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:17.960 a bit aggressive. 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.000 But you know, no, that's when you knock them off 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.719 and officially became the Godfather. You got to hit on them. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.080 You own that nickname? 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.280 Now, do you know it's funny because over the years 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.200 I've kind of gone, you know, maybe it's just a 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.040 bit too cheesy. Maybe I should step away from it, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.640 and nobody lets me step away because everybody's like, I 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.640 love that name and let's roll with it. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.360 Then you need to keep it you need to put 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.079 that on a pin and you need to keep that. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.840 Have you found dogs that you haven't been able to fix? 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.200 And I'm sure you have, And what do you do? 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.960 Is that a let down amongst yourself? Do you feel 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.920 terrible that you can't fix this dog? I mean, what 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.640 happens when you find yourself up against the impossible? 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.760 Yeah? No, you're right, and there are things that are 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.480 pretty much impossible, right, So I would always say you 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.160 can always improve things, that's for sure. There's always something 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.800 you can do right. Very rare that you're going to 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.240 go to somebody's house and they're doing everything right, okay, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.840 And I don't mean that in a funny way, you 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.000 just it's literally, Look, if we can find things that 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.520 you're doing wrong that we can improve on, then that's good, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.240 isn't it. You see my point? However? Right, and you 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.000 knew there was a big book coming in you. There 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.280 are situations where you look at a dog in a 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.560 particular household and you just think, do you know what? 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.400 This is not a match made in heaven. So let 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.320 me give you an example. Let's say I go to 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.520 a house and it's a dog they've just rehomed. He's 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.680 a bit aggressive. You know, he's you know those dogs 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.240 that you can't quite tell that you can almost hear 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.719 the Jaws music in your head. Dumb dump dumb, dumb, 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.160 dum dumb, and then you know, as it go right 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.960 and in this house, and I can think of one 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.320 that happened in the UK like this. There's a baby 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.400 who's ten months old just started to crawl and I 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.080 can see this dog giving them side eye, and I'm thinking, look, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.640 I can improve things here. I could give you false 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.600 hope it's going to be fine, but in my heart 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.600 and hearts I know it's probably not. Actually, and I 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.000 want to be able to sleep at night and I 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.960 want you to be able to So the right thing 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.240 to do in rare circumstances is to say, do you 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.080 know what the best thing for everybody is? Probably you 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.520 go separate ways. Actually, yeah, very home. The dog, we 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.120 have a Yeah, the dog will have a better life 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.079 somewhere else. You'll be okay, you baby, you'll be safe. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.840 I'd be doing the wrong thing to say, hey, we 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:25.960 can fix everything, you know. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.800 Yeah. The thing I was going to say about that, 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.880 you know, which I find really interesting, and I was 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.120 wanting to talk to you about is is it hard 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.720 to be the person who has an opinion on dogs 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.000 and to be an expert. I mean, you're putting a 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.440 lot of pressure on yourself to be that person and 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.400 you are going to give people information that sometimes can 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.679 be uncomfortable. What is that like for you? Do you 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.040 find yourself in some awkward situations? 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.560 You do, and you kind of learn to I suppose 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.120 to impart that news in the right way. And it 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.760 comes back to that thing about having a bit of 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.560 sensitivity for people, you know and reading people. The glib 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.360 answer to that is I'm a yorkshreman, right, and we're 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.320 famous for having an opinion on everything. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:05.640 Right. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.520 You can always tell yourman, but you can't tell him much, right. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.440 So it comes naturally to me to say, yeah, okay, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:12.880 I've got an opinion on this, and it's this. But 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.720 there's always some logic and some reasoning behind that. But 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.640 this is It's a bit like being a vet. Now 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.840 I'm not a vet, but there are times when a 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.400 vet has to say to somebody, I'm afraid it's not 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.920 good news. Okay, here's the outlook, here's the things we 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.120 can do. We can manage this situation. I can't cure 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.280 this right, And that's often the case with me, often 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.920 not so often as vets. Actually, more of the time 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.760 it really is a case of, Okay, I think we 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.400 can change a few things and we'll make a big 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.200 transformation here. And that's what you see most of the time. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.320 There's always an undercurrent at the end of the show, 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.120 which is keep practicing. You know, you've got to keep 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.120 at it. You've got to keep this stuff up because 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.080 if you don't, it will probably slide. No surprise, I guess. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.120 Just having a strong opinion, though, leave you open for criticism, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.440 and how do you deal with that. I'm only asking 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.440 you this because I'm a very opinionated person and I 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.800 find if I hang my hat on something, it's not 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.200 a one size fits all and being an opinionated person 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.240 can allow yourself to be open for you're wrong. Do 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.920 you know what I mean? So, just having a strong 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.760 opinion leave you open for criticism? 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.960 Well, it absolutely does, of course, And you've got to 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.200 be intelligent about this. I mean, it's not a one 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.720 size fits all for all dogs. But there are general principles, right, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.520 So let's say, for example, a general principle you should 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.280 always reward good behavior well, not very controversial. That don't 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.240 think I can get criticized on that one. Another principle 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.560 might be, Look, if you want to reduce an unwanted behavior, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.480 whether you're a human or a dog, that behavior either 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.400 needs to have no outcome at all, in other words, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.760 tensioncy you can ignore it for example, or in an 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.760 appropriate way. Right, very important that there needs to be 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.040 some sort of consequence. Right, So if you or across 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.480 the line somewhere, there's going to be a bit of 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.000 a consequence. Otherwise we don't learn, but that consequence is 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.920 going to be appropriate. Now, some people might take me 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.240 to task on that, but I'll defend that one. I 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.280 think I'm right. But ultimately you get to a point 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.480 where you say, you know what, You've got your opinion, 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.600 and that's your way of seeing it. I've got mine. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.040 We're all entitled to an opinion. Nobody's necessarily right, nobody's 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.560 necessarily wrong. Somebody might like what I say and vice versa, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.040 and that's the way of the world, is it? 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.800 Well, you might be like me. I mean, I'm opinion 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.760 of it, but I also really like opinionated people. Strange 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.680 part to my personality though, is I'm a bit like 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.360 Hannibal Lecter, I actually had a good analogy. I don't 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:31.920 eat people, but I find in conflict that I love 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.800 opinionated people. But I never see someone being right or wrong. 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.040 I don't see myself as being right or wrong necessarily 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.960 because someone can argue with me and raise a point 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.240 that can change my mind. And so therefore I love 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.720 good comp I love an opinionated person because I'm never 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:48.680 taking it personally. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.960 You're right. That's really interesting. That's very much like me, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.000 because what I've always said, if I get into an argument, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.600 I say argument, I'm mean argument in a sense of discussion. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.440 You know, so you're putting your point for they've put 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.240 their point. Four they make a really good point. You think, hmm, 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.960 I'm very happy to go. Do you know what, You're right? 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.120 I hadn't thought of that, and I'll switch me the thing. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.840 So again, it's quite a fun thing this. People say, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.040 you're always right, you're always right. Yeah, that's because if 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.399 I ever discovered, if I ever discovered that I'm wrong, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.840 I'll change my opinion. I won't be wrong for long. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.199 Yeah, you know, and you know what's so weird, And 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.240 sometimes I'll be really belligerent I'll sound really opinionated, which contimidate, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.600 you know, can intimidate people a little bit so they 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.320 sort of back away, but I can then be swayed. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.399 So it's an interesting way to be I think it's 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.320 just a part of my maybe dominant personality to portray 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.200 things that way. But as I said, and like you said, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.399