WEBVTT - What's going on in LA?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is the Dahlias.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twelfth of June. I'm Zara Seidler, I'm Emma Gillespie.

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<v Speaker 2>Protests on the streets of La have entered another day

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<v Speaker 2>after the city's mayor announced a curfew and state of

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<v Speaker 2>emergency yesterday. These protests began last Friday after the country's

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<v Speaker 2>immigration enforcement body conducted a series of widespread raids. Since then,

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<v Speaker 2>protesters have been gathering across the city to call for

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<v Speaker 2>an end to the raids. In response to these protests,

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<v Speaker 2>US President Donald Trump has deployed the National Guard and Marines,

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<v Speaker 2>a decision that has been hotly contested by the state's governor.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's podcast, we'll explain everything you need to know

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<v Speaker 2>about how the situation got to this point and the

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<v Speaker 2>latest for those in La.

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<v Speaker 3>Zara. So many of us had a long weekend. This

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<v Speaker 3>weekend just passed and might have missed the origins of

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<v Speaker 3>this story. It felt like, all of a sudden, there

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<v Speaker 3>were these really intense headlines coming out of La violent scenes,

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<v Speaker 3>reports of injuries. An Australian journalist making headlines caught in

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<v Speaker 3>the cross fire or directly fired up by police on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground. It feels like things are escalating with every

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<v Speaker 3>passing day. But for people who might just be tuning in,

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<v Speaker 3>where does it all begin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really good point, and because if you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the escalation and you don't know the source, it

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<v Speaker 2>can be a bit confusing. So the story begins on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday last week when Immigration and Customs Enforcement they're called ICE,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll just call them that for ease for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the podcast, they conducted a series of widespread

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<v Speaker 2>raids on businesses across the city of Los Angeles. ICE

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<v Speaker 2>is the federal agency responsible for enforcing immigration laws and

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<v Speaker 2>deporting people who were in the USA without legal permission,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure a lot of our listeners are familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with them now. ICE has been carrying out raids over

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<v Speaker 2>the past few months as part of President Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>broader immigration crackdown. So this idea of raids is not

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<v Speaker 2>a new thing. It's certainly been quite a feature of

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<v Speaker 2>this term of the Trump presidency. Just last month, the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration set a target to arrest three thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>a day over alleged immigration violations. It's a very very

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<v Speaker 2>big number.

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<v Speaker 1>That's enormous, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I say that just to set the scene

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<v Speaker 2>that while these raids are not unfamiliar to those watching

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump presidency, the ones that occurred in LA on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday were seen, at least by those protesters who gathered afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>to be substantially wider in scope than the previous ice operations. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, the Associated Press reported the people were arrested

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<v Speaker 2>in a home depot parking lot, so a chainsaw outside

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<v Speaker 2>a chain saw as part of these raids. And LA's

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<v Speaker 2>mayor Karen Bass, who you're going to hear quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about in this podcast, said in an interview, how

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<v Speaker 2>did we get from gang members to home depot? She's

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<v Speaker 2>referring there to the fact that originally these raids were

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<v Speaker 2>targeting or at least as the Trump administration said, they

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<v Speaker 2>were targeting gang members, but it has become far more

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<v Speaker 2>widespread than that. According to officials, more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people were arrested on Friday alone in these immigration raids.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so the kind of protest response that we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>is really in response to the scope of these raids,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than them existing in the first place. We've known

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<v Speaker 3>for some time that Donald Trump is hardline on his

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<v Speaker 3>immigration stance. He campaigned on it in the lead up

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<v Speaker 3>to the November election. So this policy isn't necessarily surprising,

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<v Speaker 3>but the number of raids that have been carried out

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<v Speaker 3>is what is shocking people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's all of those things taken together.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right that people have seen this happen before,

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<v Speaker 2>but as we said, the nature of these feel different,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly the response that we've seen now happen in

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<v Speaker 2>LA is far more significant than we've seen elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the country.

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<v Speaker 3>So these raids started on Friday in LA Then the

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<v Speaker 3>protesters start to gather in parts of the city.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens from there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty quick turnaround between people first finding out

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<v Speaker 2>about those raids and protesters starting to gather. And the

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<v Speaker 2>original site of the protest is the Metropolitan Detention Center

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<v Speaker 2>in LA That's where some of the people who have

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<v Speaker 2>been detained by ICE agents during those raids are being held.

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<v Speaker 2>And so protesters start to arrive outside that center and

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<v Speaker 2>begin to protest against ICE. Over the course of the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>the protests begin to grow in numbers. We've seen lots

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<v Speaker 2>of pictures of demonstrators holding signs that read things like

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<v Speaker 2>ice out of LA and education not deportation. I say

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<v Speaker 2>that just to give you some sense of what it

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<v Speaker 2>is these people are actually asking for and protesting against.

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<v Speaker 2>One protester told local news over the weekend that the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing about going after immigrants and people who are undocumented,

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<v Speaker 2>the most vulnerable of our populations, that is so wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is kind of the flavor I guess of

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<v Speaker 2>where these protesters.

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<v Speaker 1>Are community response exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so these protests are originally described by police to

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<v Speaker 2>be largely peaceful when they begin on Friday and then

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<v Speaker 2>again into Saturday. However, by Sunday, police and protesters have

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<v Speaker 2>begun clashing. The LA Police Department, the LAPD, said it

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<v Speaker 2>made twenty eight arrests on Sunday after it says that

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<v Speaker 2>protests escalated. It said that it responded to acts of violence,

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<v Speaker 2>vandalism and looting, and then the LAPD's chief, Jim McDonald's

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<v Speaker 2>claimed in a press conference that the unrest had become

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<v Speaker 2>increasingly worse and more violent. And that's certainly I think

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<v Speaker 2>where we start to see some of those images and

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<v Speaker 2>videos coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of La Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So what was or has been the response to this escalation.

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<v Speaker 3>Police have described peaceful action that has turned violent. We've

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<v Speaker 3>seen more and more coverage. It appears the protests have

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<v Speaker 3>grown in size. What happens next?

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<v Speaker 2>So the next big part of this story, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of confusing because there are two big stories happening

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<v Speaker 2>at once. What's happening on the ground in La and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's also this political story that is unforl Rin

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time. But basically the next part of

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<v Speaker 2>this story comes when US President Donald Trump signs an

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<v Speaker 2>executive order deploying two thousand National Guard members to La Zara.

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<v Speaker 3>Forgive my potential ignorance here. When we say national Guard,

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<v Speaker 3>they sound very.

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<v Speaker 1>Important, unofficial. What is the National Guard?

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<v Speaker 2>The National Guard is a reserve military force, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>typically made up of part time soldiers who can hold

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<v Speaker 2>civilian jobs and often do hold civilian jobs, but then

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<v Speaker 2>they're called to active duty in specific circumstance. Did not

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<v Speaker 2>know that, yes, So in a statement, Trump said to

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<v Speaker 2>the extent that protests or acts of isolence directly inhibit

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<v Speaker 2>the execution of the laws. They constitute a form of

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<v Speaker 2>rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that is the justification that Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>provided in a statement when he signed that executive order

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<v Speaker 2>calling for the National Guard to be deployed, he was

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<v Speaker 2>basically calling these protests a rebellion against the United States government.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess that kind of answers the question that

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<v Speaker 3>I had in my mind about how did we go

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<v Speaker 3>from local police the LAPD managing this response at a

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<v Speaker 3>state level, there is a management and then that escalating

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<v Speaker 3>to a federal response.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, your question, I think is the question that Californian

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Gavin Newsom also has, because this is where there

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<v Speaker 2>has been a lot of political tension. So, just to

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<v Speaker 2>set the scene, Gavin Newsom is a Democrat, He's the

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<v Speaker 2>governor of California. He's largely seen as a potential next

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<v Speaker 2>presidential candidate without aside for the second discussion, exactly, so

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<v Speaker 2>he has typically been quite an outspoken opponent of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And so where this has come to a head is

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<v Speaker 2>that typically state governors control their state's National Guard and

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<v Speaker 2>they use them for emergencies like national disaster. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>the president can activate them, but typically and historically this

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<v Speaker 2>occurs with the governor's consent, right, and so Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>actually the first president since nineteen sixty five to deploy

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<v Speaker 2>the National Guard without a governor's request.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this is where the kind of political fallouts

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<v Speaker 2>stems from when it comes to why Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>done this without asking for or discussing with the governor

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<v Speaker 2>of the state. White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt said,

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<v Speaker 2>in the wake of this violence, California's feckless Democrat leaders

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<v Speaker 2>have completely abdicated their responsibility to protect their citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back with more of today's deep dive right

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<v Speaker 1>after this. So a lot going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>As you've described, the National Guard kind of historically has

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<v Speaker 3>been used in a political senses to recover or respond

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<v Speaker 3>to emergency threats, and that could be natural disasters, and

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<v Speaker 3>typically we see presidents working with state governors to coordinate

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<v Speaker 3>that response. But now we've had these really strong words

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<v Speaker 3>from the White House condemning California's handling of the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>The situation and that's led us to this political division

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<v Speaker 3>as well as this on the ground action. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, is particularly pleased

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<v Speaker 3>with the sentiment coming out of the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>We hear from him, so he has actually made moves

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<v Speaker 2>to sue Donald Trump on the deployment of troops. He

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<v Speaker 2>called Trump's move an unmistakable step towards authoritarianism, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said that he had filed this lawsuit to end the

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<v Speaker 2>illegal and unnecessary takeover of the National Guard, which has

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<v Speaker 2>needlessly escalated chaos and violence in the LA region. So

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<v Speaker 2>basically he's saying, I'm filing this lawsuit for two reasons. One,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump deployed the National Guard without the consent or

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<v Speaker 2>the input of me, that the Californian governor, not me Zarasidler.

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<v Speaker 2>And second that the decision by Donald Trump, he claims

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<v Speaker 2>was unwarranted. That basically, sending in the National Guard, all

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand of them, is escalating a situation that could

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<v Speaker 2>have been handled by local authorities.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the goal of launching a proceeding like that? If

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<v Speaker 3>Goavin Newsom successfully sues Trump, is it basically asking for

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<v Speaker 3>an admission of wrongdoing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's been trying to stop it from continuing, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's tried to put a pause on allowing them in.

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<v Speaker 2>But this all takes time, as we know.

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<v Speaker 1>So how has Donald Trump then responded?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Trump's taken to social media to actually voice support

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<v Speaker 2>for arresting Newsom. Over the weekend, Newsome again the Californian governor.

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<v Speaker 2>He dared Tom Homan, who is the director of ICE,

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest him, and then in response, Donald Trump saw

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<v Speaker 2>those suits and said I would do it if I

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<v Speaker 2>were Tom. So he's saying if he were in charge,

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<v Speaker 2>he would arrest the governor. Fair to say that. Newsom

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take to that one too well. He said on

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<v Speaker 2>social media, the President of the United States just called

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<v Speaker 2>for the arrest of a sitting governor. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>day I hoped I would never see in America. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care if you're a Democrat or a Republican. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a line we cannot cross as a nation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been so interesting, obviously, you know, from our perspective

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<v Speaker 3>as outsiders here in Australia seeing this unfold, because I

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<v Speaker 3>think part of Donald Trump's legacy has been his policy

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<v Speaker 3>around state versus federal leadership, and I think he's been

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<v Speaker 3>very clear on state responsibilities for certain aspects of health

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<v Speaker 3>care and education. But now this is playing out in

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<v Speaker 3>a very different way.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well, I mean, just to bring it home

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<v Speaker 2>for an Australian audience. This is kind of the equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of Anthony Aberezi, a labor prime minister, being sued by

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<v Speaker 2>a liberal premier in say David Chris a fully the

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland premier yep, and in turn calling for his arrest.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the I guess equivalent as much as we

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<v Speaker 2>can do.

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<v Speaker 1>And Aguin you put it like that, it sounds pretty bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It's certainly a really significant moment. But what's

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<v Speaker 2>more than that, it's that this is all occurring as

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<v Speaker 2>there is this state of emergency unfolding in La.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I wanted to ask you what is happening

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground in La at the time of recording.

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<v Speaker 3>What do we know about the situation right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the first thing to say is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not de escalating by any stretch of the imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>That protesters are still taking to the streets, They are

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<v Speaker 2>still calling on ice to stop their raids. We know,

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<v Speaker 2>of course that the National Guard has since arrived after

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<v Speaker 2>being summoned by President Trump, as have Marines who were

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<v Speaker 2>also ordered into the city. Now the source of the

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<v Speaker 2>protests kind of finishing as we ended this podcast. So

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<v Speaker 2>those immigration raids they've actually also continued throughout this period,

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<v Speaker 2>so it hasn't been like Friday was the end point

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<v Speaker 2>and since then there have been none. They've continued throughout

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<v Speaker 2>this period. CBS News, which is an American outlet, reports

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<v Speaker 2>that they've seen figures that say that ICE recorded more

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<v Speaker 2>than twelve hundred arrests across the US over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of on the ground in LA, yesterday, LA's

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<v Speaker 2>mayor announced a curfew and she declared a national state

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<v Speaker 2>of emergency. She said that was to stop the vandalism

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<v Speaker 2>and to stop the looting. So that will be in place,

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<v Speaker 2>that curfew from eight pm until six am in part

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<v Speaker 2>of downtown LA. And we'll have to wait and see

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<v Speaker 2>if that has any effect on the protests. But it

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<v Speaker 2>does feel like this is only growing. The anger and

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<v Speaker 2>the hostility, certainly on both sides, appears to be growing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think i'll just end off with what Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has said most recently. He said that La was

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<v Speaker 2>being invaded and conquered by a foreign army. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, very very strong language there. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>also interesting to touch on, you know, downtown LA. We're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about a densely populated area of a major global city.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a story that has garnered international attention

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<v Speaker 3>for many reasons, but of course for us here in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia it's dominated headlines as well because we've seen these

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<v Speaker 3>journalists on the ground in la reporting for Australian broadcasters.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lauren Tamasi from Channel nine, Lauren Day, a correspondent

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<v Speaker 3>for the ABC. Both of those journalists have reported being

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<v Speaker 3>targeted injured by police. We saw the rubber bullet that

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<v Speaker 3>was fired at the Channel nine reporter. The ABC journal

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<v Speaker 3>was caught up in tear gas that police dispersed across

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<v Speaker 3>a crowd. An ABC cameraman was shot in the chest

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<v Speaker 3>with a rubber bullet and that's just what we've heard

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<v Speaker 3>from the Aussies on the ground. There are reporters out

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<v Speaker 3>of the UK and the who have cited similar run

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<v Speaker 3>ins with police, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just on that, we do know the LAPD is currently

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<v Speaker 2>investigating how that Channel nine journalist was shot at, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because the vision does show that it was an officer

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<v Speaker 2>who did point the gun at her. So an investigation

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<v Speaker 2>is underway into what happened there.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and that incident has been criticized and condemned by

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime.

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Foreign Minister Pennywong.

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<v Speaker 3>But clearly this is just another element of a very

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<v Speaker 3>escalating and evolving story. But in terms of global interest,

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of national interest here in Australia, you know

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going away. I'm sure there'll be more to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about in the days to come, and as always

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<v Speaker 3>he'll keep you updated. Thank you so much for listening

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<v Speaker 3>to today's episode. We will be back a little later

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<v Speaker 3>on in the day with the evening news headlines, but

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<v Speaker 3>until then, have a fantastic day.

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