1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Daily OS. It is Friday, the twenty ninth of November. 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm Billy, I'm Sam. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Independent Senator Fatima Payman accused One Nation 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: Senator Pauline Hanson of racism. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 3: If that is not racist, what is it? Oh, it's 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: not racist, or somebody bring the dictionary because Senator Hanson 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: does not know the definition of racism. 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: The videos of Payment and Hanson went viral online and 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: have since resulted in another Senator, Lydia Thorpe, being suspended 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: from the Senate. It came after Hanson tried to refer 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: Payment to a committee on the basis of her holding 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: duel citizenship and thus being ineligible to sit in Parliament. 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: So when I saw this happening or unfolding on Wednesday, 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: there were so many headline grabbing moments that really captured 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: the attention of people on social media. There were lots 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: of videos of Senator Payment's response to Pauline Hanson, and 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: what I kept thinking is that there's not a lot 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: of context here. There is no one that is explaining 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: why this happened and the complexities and nuances behind the 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: debate that they were having. So we put you up 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: to the task to look into it and give us 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: all of the context to start. I want to take 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: a step back. Can you just start by running us 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: through what Pauline Hanson did that triggered this entire thing. 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: I kind of liken it too. We just watched the 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: highlights of a sport game and now I'm trying to 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: explain how the game actually got to that point. So 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: basically what happened was that on Wednesday morning, Pauline Hanson 31 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: tried to table documents in the Senate relating to another Senator, 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: Fatima Payman. And what these documents were trying to do 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: was to question whether or not Fatima payment was actually 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: eligible to sit in the Senate because of her duel citizenship. 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: And that's a pretty big claim to say that Senator 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: payment is not eligible to sit in Australia's Parliament. 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: Oh it's massive. I mean, not only is it breaking 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: the law and breaking Australia's constitution, but it can mean 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: that she might have to go to a by election 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: and recontest her seat. Sought out her citizenship, there's a 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: whole lot of ramifications that can come of this. 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: That's issue was not eligible, but we know that there 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: is an evidence to suggest that she's not eligible. Do 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: you want to just take us through this duel citizenship issue? 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: Sure? So. Basically, if you open Australia's Constitution, which which 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: we do often all the time, Section forty four says 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: that foreign citizens and jewel citizens can't sit in Parliament. 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: So basically what that means in real life is that 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: if you're looking to run for a seat in the 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: Australian Parliament in either of the houses, but you're also 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: a dual citizen of both Australia and let's say the 52 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: u UK, you are immediately ineligible to run. And the 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: way that you can get around that is you can 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: denounce your other citizenship. So you basically kind of metaphorically 55 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: but also legally, hold your passport from another country up 56 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: in the air and say I no longer want this. 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: And a lot of parliamentarians learned this lesson the hard 58 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: way around twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, when over a dozen 59 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: of them were forced to resign from parliament because they 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: were in fact dual citizens. And you're going to know 61 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: some of the names of the people who were caught 62 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: up in this. It's people like Katie Gallaher, It's Barnaby 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: Joyce and Jackie Lamby. 64 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: But they are parliamentarians at the moment. So how did 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: that work? 66 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: So they literally had to resign from parliament, sort out 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: their citizenship, and then recontest the seats at a by election. 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: It was called the Super Saturday by election because there 69 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: were so many of these seats that needed to kind 70 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: of run again and I just want to sit on 71 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: this for a sex. So they had to resign their 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: seats from parliament. Then they had to denounce their citizenship. 73 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: And think about how complex immigration law and citizenship law 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: can be for all the different countries all around the world. 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: I mean, these are people who might have had a 76 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: grandparent who had citizenship in another country. They might have 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: migrated either as a refugee or intentional migration, and then 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: needed to actively renounce it because they might have been 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: a citizen by default. So it's not as simple as 80 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: like somebody has chosen to be a dual citizen. It 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: was quite complex. 82 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: I remember it so clearly. It was like watching parliamentarians 83 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: drop like flies because there were so many of them 84 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: who claimed they didn't know that they had dual citizenship 85 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: because like you just said, they had inherited it or 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: something like that. At the time, it felt like one 87 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: of the biggest political stories of the year, but I 88 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: haven't really heard anyone talk about it in such a 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: long time, which is why it was surprising that this 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: came up this week. So do you want to just 91 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: go through why we are talking about it now. 92 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think the reason we didn't hear about this 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: story for so many years after that big event was 94 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: that all major parties and all independents in Parliament kind 95 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: of did a bit of an audit. They got everybody 96 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: in line and made sure that everybody didn't have secret 97 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: duel citizenships that they didn't know about, and that's why 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: I think this story kind of disappeared for a bit. 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: And the reason we're talking about it today though, is 100 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: that Pauline Hanson has accused Fatima payment of being ineligible. 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: So this all started earlier this year. Fatima Payman resigned 102 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: from the Labor Party the government and later announced she's 103 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: going to be launching her own party, which she's now 104 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: done now. On the day that Payman announced her New Party. 105 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson wrote a letter to Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: asking him to consider a what she described as an 107 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: urgent matter in regards to Payman's eligibility to sit in 108 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: Parliament as a senator. And in a post that she 109 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: put on social media where she enclosed the letter she 110 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: sent to the PM, Pauline Hanson said that there are 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: serious questions about her eligibility to serve as a senator 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: due to her duel citizenship. 113 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: To be clear, Fatima payment is a dual citizen. But 114 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: he thinks that there's a little bit more context and 115 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: nw once to why she hasn't been able to renounce 116 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: that dual citizenship. 117 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: As I think Billy, there always is. So Payman was 118 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: born in Afghanistan and she came to Australia in two 119 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: thousand and three and she was later granted Australian citizenship. 120 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: And when she was running for parliament at the last election, 121 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 2: remember this is her first term in parliament. 122 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: And at the time she was running as a Labour senator. 123 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: But she is now an independent senator exactly. 124 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: But these rules apply to everyone, no matter which party 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: you're in. So Payman said she had approached the Afghanistan 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: Embassy in Australia in twenty twenty one in preparation for 127 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: her intention to run for office, and that was when 128 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: she was going to renounce her citizenship. But she said 129 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: that her request hadn't been finalized because the embassy couldn't 130 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: contact the government in Afghanistan after the Taliban took power 131 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: and Kabul felt and at the time she said she 132 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: had taken all reasonable steps to renounce her citizenship, but 133 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: that she couldn't actually do anything else, almost unlike an 134 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: administrative or practical level, given the political situation in Afghanistan. 135 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: So the election in which she was elected as a 136 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Senator was in twenty twenty two. We're now at the 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty four. So what happened that it 138 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: is now coming up this week? Why did Pauline Hanson 139 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: choose now to question her eligibility. 140 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: Well, we don't really know the key driver for Pauline 141 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: Hansen to pick now as the opportunity, But what Pauline 142 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: Hanson is asking for is a full investigation into Fatima 143 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: Payman's eligibility to sit in the Parliament. She told the 144 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: Chamber earlier this week that she wants the matter to 145 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: be referred to a committee, and she wanted to table 146 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: documents in reference to that. Now, Labor being Payman's former party, 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: they actually voted in favor of allowing Hansen to table 148 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: these documents. But that should be seen as largely a 149 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: procedural point. 150 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching when Katie Gallagher explained the reason 151 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: for Labor voting in favor of allowowing these documents to 152 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: be tabled, and she really emphasized that it was just 153 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: a procedural thing. It wasn't because they supported the content 154 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: of those documents. But it was during this sitting in 155 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: the Senate that we then saw Fatima Payment stand up 156 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: and accuse Hanson of being a racist. 157 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: And that's some of the audio that you heard that 158 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: I played for you at the beginning of the episode. 159 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: I also want to paint the picture for you physically. 160 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: They are so close to each other in the Senate 161 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: in terms of where they're sitting, So this is not 162 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: somebody shouting across the chamber. They're almost a meter away 163 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: from each other, both on the crossbend exactly. And that 164 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: was when Fatima Payment accused Pauline Hanson of being a racist. 165 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: I want to play a little bit more of what 166 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: she said. 167 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: All that Senator Hanson does in this place is spread hatred, 168 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: spread division, and it's outrageous. It is it's beyond comprehension 169 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 3: the racism and comments and quotes that you've made in 170 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 3: the past. Senata Hanson, I want to withdraw on that racism. 171 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: We'll be back with the deep dive in just a moment, 172 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: but first, here is a quick message from US sponsor. Okay, So, 173 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen said she thinks Fatima Payment should be investigated 174 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: for being a dual citizen, and Fatima Payment said that 175 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson is racist. What happened next? How did we 176 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: get to Lydia Thorpe being involved in this? 177 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: Well then comes You're right, the Lydia Thorpe incident. Lydia 178 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: Thorpe sits alongside Payment on the cross bench as an 179 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: independent senator, and Thorpe, in a show of support for Payment, 180 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: tore up Pauline Hanson's documents and threw them at her 181 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: before exiting the chamber and giving Parliament the middle finger 182 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: as she left. Now is that moment. That was one 183 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: of the moments that went really viral on social media 184 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 2: and some of the photography around even you know, the 185 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: middle finger up as she was walking out. That all 186 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: created an environment in the Senate that the Senate decided 187 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: to suspend Thorpe for the remainder of the sitting week, 188 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: and that was backed by Labor, the Coalition and some 189 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: of the crossbenches. The Greens did vote against it, and 190 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: it basically just meant that for one day, which was yesterday, 191 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: Thorpe wasn't able to engage in debate or cast a 192 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: vote on any piece of legislation. And now it's a 193 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: particularly significant day yesterday because it was also the last 194 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: day of the year that Parliament will sit. 195 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: There was something like thirty three bills that they were 196 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: trying to pass. 197 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: It was a really busy day in Parliament. And essentially 198 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 2: you can think about it as Lydia Thorpe got a 199 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: yellow card for the most important ten minutes of the game, 200 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: you know, in some respects Now, later on in the 201 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: evening on Wednesday night, although Hanson had been able to 202 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: table her documents, the vote to refer Payman's citizenship to 203 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: a further inquiry for further investigation that actually failed. 204 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so that kind of puts the question about the 205 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: eligibility of fatima payments citizenship to a side that's basically 206 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: not being pursued. 207 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we. 208 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Still have Lydia Thoughte like you said she had been suspended. 209 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: How did she respond to that suspension. 210 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: It's a big thing for somebody to be suspended from Parliament. 211 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean, these are representatives of Australia in a house 212 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: that we can all watch on TV. To not be 213 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: in that house and to be removed from that house 214 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: is a big move. And in interviews with media yesterday, 215 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: Thought was making the point about the context of what 216 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: she was responding to. She said, they are quick to 217 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: punish the black woman here all the time for calling 218 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: it out, but I'm responding to racism and that is 219 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: what they need to focus on. She said that she 220 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: wears disciplinary colonial action like a badge of honor, and 221 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: that she was also referring there to the other censure 222 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: motion against her, which happened after she protested the King 223 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: during his visit to Australian Parliament only a couple of 224 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: weeks ago. She called Hanson a convicted racist and said 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: the one Nation senator quote bates me regularly with racial taunts, 226 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: so it's getting quite nasty. 227 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: Both Lydia Thorpe and Fatima Payment use that phrase convicted 228 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: racist when they were talking about Pauline Hanson with the 229 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: important word they're being convicted. Do you want to just 230 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: explain why they can use that phrase convicted racist. 231 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we did a podcast on this case as well. 232 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: I'll put it in the show notes if you want 233 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: to kind of take a deep dive into that specific 234 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: court case. But in short, earlier this month, so really 235 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: not that long ago, Pauline Hanson lost a federal court 236 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: case brought by Green's Senator Marine Ferruki, who is a 237 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: Muslim woman who migrated to Australia from Pakistan in the 238 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties and soon after the Queen died. So 239 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: back in September of twenty twenty two, Faruki posted to 240 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: social media saying condolences to those who mourn the queen. 241 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: I cannot mourn the leader of a racist empire built 242 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonized people. Now. 243 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: Hanson responded to a post telling her to piss off 244 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: back to Pakistan. Faruki then accused Hanson of breaching the 245 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: Racial Discrimination Act and the teas and seeds of that 246 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: law is basically you're not allowed to do anything in 247 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: public that can offend, insult, humiliate, or intimidate someone on 248 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: the basis of their race, color, or national ethnic origin. 249 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: That went all the way up to the Federal court, 250 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: and the Federal Court found that Hanson's post was indeed racist, 251 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: anti immigrant, and anti Muslim, and as part of the 252 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: judgment they spend a lot of time reflecting on the 253 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: pattern of racist comments that Pauline Hanson has made in 254 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: public life over the last couple of decades. Not much 255 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: happened from that case besides for the fact that Hanson 256 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: had to pay Feruki's legal fees, she had to remove 257 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: the original post, and Hansen does plan to appeal this. 258 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Okay, a lot to get through. Like we said at 259 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: the start, is a very complex and very nuanced conversation. 260 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: Do you want to just wrap it all up, bring 261 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: all the pieces together and tell us where we stand 262 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: right now? 263 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's all very odd timing because the parliamentary sitting 264 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: calendar is finished and so we don't have more parliament 265 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: to watch. Lydia thoughpe be suspended from because it's kind 266 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: of done, so we're expecting parliament to resume early in 267 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: the new year, we are expecting an election to be 268 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: called as well, and this is to be kind of 269 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: a lasting image of the Senate for a lot of Australians. 270 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: And it's a Senate that is deeply divided, not just 271 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: by political lines, but it seems by racist lines as well, 272 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: and it was one of those particularly dramatic chapters of 273 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: Australian political history. Weirdly bringing back this saga that happened 274 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Right now, Fatima Payman's case, 275 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: as we said earlier, isn't progressing to a stage of 276 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: further investigation, but I'd say this is not the last 277 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: we hear from the cast of characters that have been 278 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: involved in this story. 279 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Sam, thank you so much for explaining it. Thanks for that, Billy, 280 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for listening to this episode 281 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: of The Daily Oz. 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