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Speaker 1: hear Kezia Puric yelling out already. Good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Kezia Puric, the member for Goid Morning, Monty Caddy, morning

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Speaker 1: Bush people. We have got Brent Potter, the Member for

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Speaker 2: Good morning Brent Caty go to be back again and we've.

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Speaker 3: Got the opposition later.

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Speaker 1: Lea for not Pru in the studio this morning. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to your leave the morning.

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Speaker 4: Let us surprise visit for you.

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Speaker 1: Got your old seat back yep, and good to have

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Speaker 1: you all in the studio this morning. And I do

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Speaker 1: just want to mention, of course, a great win by

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Speaker 1: good game of sport whatever it is now, come on now, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Now I want to get straight into it.

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Speaker 1: And we know that the alcohol restrictions are being extended

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Speaker 1: of course in Alice Springs. We spoke about this yesterday

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Speaker 1: after incidents of domestic violence and assault plummeted by more

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Speaker 1: evidence has shown that alcohol related Emergency Department presentations at

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs Hospital have reduced by a third and domestic

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Speaker 1: violence as halved since those restrictions were introduced. They say

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Speaker 1: that along with police consultation, they've also seen a decrease

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Speaker 3: The Mayor, Matt Patterson joined.

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Speaker 1: Us on the show yesterday, as did Daniel Rochford, the

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Speaker 1: consultation should have happened before the extensions were obviously firmed up,

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Speaker 1: but we obviously know as well or certainly the Mayor

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Speaker 1: penalties for crimes committed. He had said, Katie, we've got

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Speaker 3: It's not just alcohol.

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Speaker 1: There is certainly other issues as well.

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Speaker 4: Oh, without a doubt, you know, Alice Springs has been

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Speaker 4: for seven years have eroded consequences for people who do

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Speaker 4: the wrong thing, and as a result, territories, no matter

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Speaker 4: She's basically admitted her failure by having to keep the

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Speaker 1: Your government is still not admitting that they've taken the

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Speaker 1: wrong step here, and I think that that's something that

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Speaker 1: people are finding quite frustrating. Is you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: those alcohol extensions to be in place, but I could

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Speaker 1: So I think, if this is something that is going

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Speaker 3: Surely it's a good thing. But the fact is.

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Speaker 1: You know, at the beginning of the year, we did

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear they worked. So hence while

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Speaker 2: we're extending it. I can't talk on to what decisions

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Speaker 2: You know, it's exactly right, kay, You said that Alice

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Speaker 4: So you know, Natasha Phile has made that announcement from

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Speaker 4: And that two hundred and fifty million dollars that Albanezi

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Speaker 2: Me just talk then I'm going to have my piece

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Speaker 2: now pre budget twenty three twenty four. Correct, There was

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Speaker 1: Well, what the mayor of Alice Springs actually said on

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Speaker 5: Extending the restrictions, whatever they may be, for another twelve

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Speaker 5: And that's the problem. And I agree with you, Brent,

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Speaker 2: I think this is why we get the provisions, because

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Speaker 2: But I absolutely agree with your point that we do

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Speaker 2: more wrap around services with family. I mean, we did

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Speaker 2: it and I'll come back to you on a Katie.

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Speaker 2: Because if they are being put on family responsibilit agreements

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Speaker 4: You know who needs to be accountable, It's the Natasha

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Speaker 4: else for your own failures. You could have tougher laws

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Speaker 4: That is a law that currently exists today, and yet

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Speaker 1: Something quite a little while back that Marrian scrim daw

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't the ability to do that, though, Katie.

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Speaker 4: Can we the territory government. The territory government has the laws.

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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely we don't have a look at it. I

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Speaker 2: I've heard about it. But in terms of what you're

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Speaker 2: the territory said what you proposed will not work. Now,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely agree we need to do more in the space,

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Speaker 4: What you're doing is definitely not working. So I don't

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Speaker 4: You've been a government for seven years, you're tired and

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Speaker 5: Can Clearly it's not working, not working. So if people

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 1: But we've also like I've actually had somebody contact me

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Speaker 1: who who this was a few weeks back, who actually

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly hard to actually go and try to help

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Speaker 1: As parliamentary reviews happen into state and in other locations,

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Speaker 2: I'm offering to you a review that doesn't have any

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Speaker 7: This can put you, which is great, But you guys

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Speaker 8: Here we go, and there's a lot of work kind

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Speaker 1: How do you reckon we might be able to use

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Speaker 1: you guys be looking into, but like, give is that

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Speaker 8: Absolutely so, if you've got a person that's going across

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Speaker 8: obviously not consuming that much wine every day. We know

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Speaker 8: similar behaviors. But in Darn it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 8: So technology footprint to identify people who are procuring alcohol

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Speaker 5: Yeah, have a review of the BDR, because I mean

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Speaker 6: I said to the lady, I said, are you serious.

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Speaker 5: I said, but I can buy a dozen bottles of

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Speaker 5: Like you're restricted to a two liter task of wine.

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Speaker 6: Like that's just stupid.

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Speaker 4: We've been calling for a review of the BDR for

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Speaker 4: four or five years, Katie, because of course its capability

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Speaker 1: Jue, I just want to point out there is some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, and I disagree there will be changes to

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Speaker 2: we can do more improvements, so I think the BDR

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Speaker 2: keep the BDR. That is Labour's position. We know that

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Speaker 2: The one thing I would like to raise for your listeners,

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Speaker 2: we've got a liquor call where you can't buy Alcoho

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a very short break quality sort.

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Speaker 1: Now what that drilling is you are listening to Mix

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Speaker 1: And we all understand that there's never going to be

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Speaker 4: And you know, criminals are running this this territory now.

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Speaker 4: Katie under labor. It's just there is so little consequence

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Speaker 4: I've had another street meeting in Malac the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Of course, people in Palmestan, Castro and Tenant, you name it.

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Speaker 4: You can't go anywhere without people feeling so aggrieved and

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Speaker 4: It's too much for people to bear. And there's a

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Speaker 2: That sounds really good, Katie, but it's all talk. So

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Speaker 2: But it's not as simple as the opposition would like

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Speaker 2: it to be. Everyone, And I've been saying it for

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Speaker 2: compare ourselves to other states, but we're not battling this alone. Queensland,

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Speaker 2: New South Wales, Victoria, I've all had significant knife crime

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Speaker 1: In July definitely, you know, like hope, I'm hoping, and

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Speaker 1: the Police Commission of the acting Police Commissioner had flagged

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Speaker 2: Just recently yep, next week and I've recently I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get a brief myself before the sittings. We will

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Speaker 2: see some changes around the weapons. We'll see some so

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Speaker 2: we've spoken about wanding previously. I actually think more than anything,

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Speaker 2: it is a resourcing issue with police as well as

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Speaker 2: programs or runs, we've seen it. We've seen a decrease

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's just knife crime though, and

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Speaker 1: I know definitely that's something that we need to be

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Speaker 3: In Queensland, so in Mount Eisa about a.

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Speaker 1: Week and a half ago, there was a situation where

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Speaker 1: we're a car was literally filled, you know my understanding,

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Speaker 1: stolen by kids. Well a friend of mine actually my

441
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Speaker 1: old touch football coach, and she got basically a car

442
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Speaker 1: got rammed by these kids. She's a counselor, but also

443
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Speaker 1: was then targeting kids on the oval at the school,

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Speaker 1: is my understanding.

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Speaker 3: So that's in Queensland.

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Speaker 1: But let's not pretend that that kind of thing has

447
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Speaker 1: not happened in the territory. We've literally had cars driven

448
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Speaker 1: at police vehicles.

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Speaker 4: Every state you talk about that's having serious crime issues

450
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Speaker 4: are all labor governments. And it is a simple solution.

451
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Speaker 4: You fix the law at the end of the day,

452
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Speaker 4: the courts implement the law, the government sets the law

453
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Speaker 4: legal framework, and your government does not meet community expectation. Now,

454
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Speaker 4: if you're saying that there's going to be laws coming

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Speaker 4: into Parliament next week, we certainly haven't heard about it.

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Speaker 3: And your government are.

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Speaker 4: The ones who said, I'm sorry, but you said the

458
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Speaker 4: Bower review would be made public. So where is the

459
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Speaker 4: Bower review? Where is the Knife Cime review that you

460
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Speaker 4: would be made?

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Speaker 2: If it will be made on everyone will see the

462
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Speaker 2: review in the bail and you absolutely listen to the

463
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Speaker 2: radio the Chief saying in July with makes.

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Speaker 1: Will those So those reforms are going to be made

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Speaker 1: obviously in July. That's next week because next week, so

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Speaker 1: that's obviously going to be happening. But wouldn't it be

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Speaker 1: the right thing to do for the opposition and the independence.

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Speaker 2: To absolutely where is that?

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Speaker 4: Where is that?

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Speaker 2: As I just said to you, I still haven't got

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Speaker 2: a briefing, and I'm internal that give mind from Parliament,

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Speaker 2: you'll get yours. You'll absolutely get a brief We've always

473
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Speaker 2: offered you briefs. You'll get one and the public will

474
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Speaker 2: get to see the review. As the Chief community exactly

475
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Speaker 2: we've got three. It'll get public everyone I get to

476
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Speaker 2: see it. I've told you.

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Speaker 4: On is meant to be a published bowl review. And

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Speaker 4: also the where is that it's nowhere? I mean, this

479
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Speaker 4: is all just well managing the media, not managing the territory.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I've come out very clearly on your show in

481
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Speaker 2: the last three times and said if it's not up

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Speaker 2: to stand it, I'll be the first one to call

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Speaker 2: it out and I've committed to you absolutely it'll all

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Speaker 2: be made public.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, there is no doubt that we'll be talking

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Speaker 1: about that, I'm sure next week on the show. Let's

487
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Speaker 1: move along though, because throughout the week we know the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government did announce that it's growing commercial aviation

489
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Speaker 1: services will in an effort to well with with this

490
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Speaker 1: new Territory Aviation Attraction scheme. So essentially grants are going

491
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Speaker 1: to be available and to eligible airports for the creation

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Speaker 1: of new routes and to provide extra capacity on existing

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Speaker 1: ones to Alice Springs is Rock as well as Darwin.

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, the airports will have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to apply for a share of ten million dollars in

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Speaker 1: government funding to be matched dollar for dollar by the

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Speaker 1: applicant as co contribution.

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Speaker 3: Now we caught up.

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Speaker 1: I caught up with the CEO of of Bonza, Tim Jordan,

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. He's keen as to come into

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory to operate. But I said, what's going

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Speaker 1: to stop you? He said, well, red tape? Basically, if

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Speaker 1: there's too much red tape?

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Speaker 2: So what is not the government red tape? Katie, let's

505
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Speaker 2: be very plea I think it's a bit of bus

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Speaker 2: so I reckon.

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Speaker 1: He said to me that what kind of strings are

508
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Speaker 1: going to be attached to this money is what he's

509
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Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of as well.

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Speaker 5: We would love to see there's always strings attached to.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love to see Bonzi here. And I believe you

512
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Speaker 2: asked you questions in estimates and I think it's very

513
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Speaker 2: evident that one of those people would be talking to

514
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Speaker 2: is Bonza, and I think this announcement and he would

515
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Speaker 2: have said it was welcome to He obviously wants to

516
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Speaker 2: how it's going to play out, but I can tell

517
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Speaker 2: you this money is there to get that company and

518
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Speaker 2: other companies here.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: He said that he's meeting with the government and also

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Speaker 1: the airport over the next couple of days, So I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming like today, maybe Monday.

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Speaker 2: It'd be good to see the airport right at the

524
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Speaker 2: red carpet as well and meeting. But I'd love to

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Speaker 2: see everyone make way. Let them in here, let's get

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Speaker 2: the red carpet out, let's spend the money.

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Speaker 5: But Kate, at the end of the day, it's decision

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Speaker 5: and its commercial arrangement. So I thinkful for my limited knowledge,

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Speaker 5: Anti Airports Corporation they're a pretty tough business partner. So

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Speaker 5: if there's red tape, is the key issue that could

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Speaker 5: be red tape to do with anti government but also

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Speaker 5: with the Komorf government given its aviation.

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Speaker 4: I think the red tape is around the grant funding

534
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Speaker 4: because there's absolutely no detail. So he made it very

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Speaker 4: clear much they were there. You know, they're interested, but

536
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Speaker 4: what does this involve? And of course government has stuck

537
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Speaker 4: ten million dollars without a plan on how to implement it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that they haven't even sat down

539
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Speaker 4: with bonds yet and that they're going to sit down

540
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Speaker 4: with them shows they haven't been doing the hard work

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Speaker 4: to get airlines here in the first place.

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Speaker 5: And when this money.

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Speaker 4: Rails, well, well your Minister for Tourism couldn't articulate a

544
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Speaker 4: single airlines sat down with during estimates. But ultimately, when

545
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Speaker 4: this ten million bucks runs out, so do the cheaper flights,

546
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Speaker 4: and the airlines will disappear and what will be left

547
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Speaker 4: is a government again without a plan and a territory

548
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Speaker 4: going backwards.

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Speaker 2: To make it sound all doom and gloom, the reality

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Speaker 2: of is we've got a great announcement. We've got money

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Speaker 2: on the table dollar for dollar match. So for example,

552
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Speaker 2: if it's about the cost of getting people through the game,

553
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Speaker 2: we need to offset, Well, there's twenty million dollars there.

554
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Speaker 2: If AGD come to the table, government will come to

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Speaker 2: the table and will make cost effective. Forget bondsie, I

556
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Speaker 2: mean bonds is a great outcome if it comes here,

557
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Speaker 2: territoins and get cheaper flights to put pressure on the

558
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Speaker 2: domestic market. What we also need to see is an

559
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Speaker 2: increase in the low fare international carry into Darance. We

560
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Speaker 2: create a demand for the domestic market to fly out

561
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Speaker 2: of a capital of cities and come to.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, we've got to do something. My goodness at the

563
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Speaker 1: moment is just insane.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how hell ten million dollars long?

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Speaker 2: Every business case is going to have to count us

566
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Speaker 2: in the weight up, but there's going to be twenty

567
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Speaker 2: million because we're putting ten and ten, So ten from US,

568
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Speaker 2: ten from airport develops. It's a twenty million dollar fund

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Speaker 2: and that'll be for the airlines to figure out at.

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Speaker 1: The end of the day, Like you see that the

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Speaker 1: peace and services works for is there anyway that the

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Speaker 1: fees and services can be changed in some way? Like

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Speaker 1: I know that we've got landing fees that are obviously

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Speaker 1: based on models of I don't know exactly what they're

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Speaker 1: based on, but is there any way that that can

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Speaker 1: be changed so that we are a more attractive place?

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Speaker 2: It's the interest. So every person that comes through the gate,

578
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Speaker 2: there is a cost associated with that individual, and that's

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Speaker 2: worked out between the airport and the airlines.

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Speaker 1: And so what makes that call like why is it

581
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Speaker 1: that we're more expensive than I guess comparatively to cares.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not going to share. The best person that

583
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Speaker 2: can answer that would be AJD because I don't know

584
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Speaker 2: the numbers behind you.

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Speaker 4: We can do Katie. It's also about people being on aeroplanes. Now,

586
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Speaker 4: I've been traveling a lot Intra Territory lately. And I

587
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Speaker 4: can tell you the flight to Alice Springs one day,

588
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Speaker 4: it was likely to have twenty people on it. That

589
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Speaker 4: plane has been half full. It's so expensive, right, But people,

590
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Speaker 4: and we know tourism is down, and tourism is down,

591
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Speaker 4: and people are leaving the territory and that's impacting the

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Speaker 4: number of people on planes. We have to make the

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Speaker 4: territory safe. We have to rebuild our reputation. People will come,

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Speaker 4: carriers will fill up, prices will come down. This is

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Speaker 4: a crime, is an economic issue. They are intrinsically linked.

596
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Speaker 4: And ultimately you can have short term salute and hand

597
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Speaker 4: out ten million bucks here or there, it's not going

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Speaker 4: to deal with the problem, which is we need tourism,

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Speaker 4: tourists coming in and territory and staying and more people

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Speaker 4: growing our population.

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Speaker 2: And again, just because you don't agree with the method

602
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Speaker 2: we've taken, we've acted to get more flights into the

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Speaker 2: territory and to say that tourism down, it may be

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Speaker 2: down in Alice Springs, but you're about to go to

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Speaker 2: Catherine and I know your own caucus team were down

606
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Speaker 2: there and they've seen how busy it is with caravans.

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Speaker 4: Saying tourism up this year because right location fifty down brand.

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Speaker 2: Individual locations, different places in down in my electric there

609
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Speaker 2: are hotels that are absolutely bumping.

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Speaker 4: Are you saying tourism numbers are higher this year than

611
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Speaker 4: last year's. You to be a very brave man to

612
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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 2: What I am saying is it is different in each

614
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Speaker 2: individual location. And you're about to go to Catherine and

615
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Speaker 2: from all accounts that I'm hearing from down there, it

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Speaker 2: is bumper a bumper. Now to say we're doing nothing

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Speaker 2: on the airlines is a complete fallacy. One minute you're

618
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Speaker 2: saying we're not doing enough, the next you're saying it's

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Speaker 2: a short term measure that's going to fall over. We

620
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Speaker 2: have to continue to try and put in centicee to

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Speaker 2: get the airlines.

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Speaker 5: There needs to be a very clear strategy, yes, in

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Speaker 5: regards to aviation, and I don't think we have that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there's tourism strategies.

625
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Speaker 5: But we talked about the fly So I mean it's

626
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Speaker 5: six hundred bucks give or take one way to our springs,

627
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Speaker 5: so that's twelve hundred return and for twelve hundred you

628
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Speaker 5: can get up to Singapore and Balley for two weeks.

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Speaker 6: Type of thing.

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Speaker 5: So you know, and that's probably just interstate travel or

631
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Speaker 5: business people or whatever. But there needs to be a

632
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Speaker 5: very clear strategy going forward when it comes to aviation

633
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Speaker 5: slash tourism slash business, because.

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Speaker 6: I just think we're just going to be here.

635
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Speaker 5: I mean, I can recall probably a silky goverment previously

636
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Speaker 5: when money was given I think to Air North to

637
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Speaker 5: do the milk run up and down the track, and

638
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Speaker 5: that didn't last long because you know, it wasn't cost

639
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Speaker 5: effective for the airline. And these these these airlines are businesses.

640
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Speaker 5: They can't run. They've got to make a profit, otherwise

641
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 5: they'd be a charity and they're not. But there just

642
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be a clear path forward in regards

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Speaker 5: to aviation and the tourism. And I'm not one hundred

644
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Speaker 5: percent sure that it is bumper. The tourism is boom.

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Speaker 5: It's good, probably is, but it's I mean, you can

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Speaker 5: pick in it. I mean, to Catherine Show, we look

647
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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 1: I think if I'm going to if I'm going to

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Speaker 1: believe that tourism is bumper a bumper at the moment,

650
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Speaker 1: I believe it when I'm being told that by tourism

651
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Speaker 1: operators or by Tourism Central Australia or Tourism topic.

652
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Speaker 2: Telling me that, but we couldn't get in the restaurant

653
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Speaker 2: the other night. The hotels are for what it will.

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Speaker 1: Be because it's well, because it's the middle of the

655
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Speaker 1: dry season, and because we've got events on at the moment.

656
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Speaker 1: But I think that to to sort of insinuate that

657
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Speaker 1: that's across the board around the territory isn't accurate. You know,

658
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Speaker 1: if you go into you are trying to say that

659
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: it is. You know that tourism's bumped a bumper. And

660
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: I think that any tourism operator out there listening right now,

661
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: some of them might say, look, we are incredibly busy,

662
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: but I think that there would be across the whole

663
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: year you'd be struggling to sort of you know, to

664
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Speaker 1: be making the same kind of of money as what you've.

665
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: Made because the season is not finished. So you know,

666
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: we had a really slow start, but from all the counts,

667
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: it's now getting busier.

668
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Speaker 1: And I mean on the fly, I know we have

669
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Speaker 1: We've got hotel operators and others that listen to the show,

670
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: So feel free to give us a call or send

671
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: us a text. You are listening to mix one O,

672
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: four nines.

673
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: Three to sixty. I didn't hear what you three said.

674
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: Then when we're off air on.

675
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: The track, I didn't get the com.

676
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: But still a bit of drilling going on out there.

677
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: There is some work.

678
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: Going on just outside the studio and it is Yeah,

679
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: it's all happening out here. But anyway, let's continue to

680
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: discuss the big issues of the week, and we know

681
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: that a well. The IKAK has announced that there's going

682
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: to be some changes after a former COLP member was

683
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: hired to work in the office of the.

684
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: Territory's corruption watchdog.

685
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: That person's been reassigned to a non investigative area following

686
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: some public backlash. Now, in a statement on Wednesday, the

687
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Speaker 1: KAQ Commissioner, Michael Richards said while that person had performed

688
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: exceptionally well, his hiring represented an organizational failure, and the

689
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: IKAK Commissioner said, I acknowledge and accept the adverse impact

690
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Speaker 1: this decision has had on the repute of my office.

691
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: He said, as I often say myself, perception is just

692
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: as important as reality, and this was an organizational failure

693
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: for which I am responsible and I apologize for it. Now,

694
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: notwithstanding the above, the individual involved has done nothing wrong

695
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: and nothing I say should be seen as any criticism

696
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: of him. Indeed, he's performed exceptionally well. Nonetheless, the IKAC

697
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Commissioner has announced a number of changes which will come

698
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: into place, so, you know, so basically prior to applications

699
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: being considered further, he's going to determine whether the nature

700
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Speaker 1: and extent of any past political activity represents an unmanageable

701
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: risk to his office. But I think that what it

702
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: actually highlights is that here in the Northern Territory there

703
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: is not six degrees of separations.

704
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Speaker 5: We're a small community, Katie. I find it extraordinary, given

705
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 5: the history of the past Commissioner Fleming and all the

706
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: staff that he employed who were very questionable in their performance,

707
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: behavior and professionalism, that one of the new things in

708
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: the new with the new commissioner and a new organizations,

709
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 5: shall we say, would be the recruitment practices.

710
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Speaker 6: So to come out now and say that.

711
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Speaker 5: Oh, well, it's well, if he's taking failure, fine, you know,

712
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: he said, yep, yep, I'll take it on at the top, yep,

713
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 5: apologize to people, and that's that's appropriate.

714
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 6: But to say, now, given all the.

715
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: History that's gone before this organization in regards to recruitment

716
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: and outside consultants that somehow this is now a big issue.

717
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: I would have thought the recruitment processes of people going

718
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: into an IK would be exemplary in regards to filling

719
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 5: in the form have you worked.

720
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Speaker 6: Any political affiliations? Have you got a criminal check? You know?

721
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: Have you got you know, a dog that's going to

722
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: get put on a band dog breeders list or something,

723
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: you know.

724
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 6: So to come out now and.

725
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: Say, oh, there's a problem because this dude you know

726
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 5: had political affiliations, I just think, what are the practices

727
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 5: were in that organization and not exemporary as they should be.

728
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 6: I just find it extraordinary. And the fact that this

729
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: story has gone on all week.

730
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Speaker 5: Yeah, public relations wise has been a disaster for the organization.

731
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Speaker 1: Look, I guess you know, he's he's obviously done the

732
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: right thing in terms of once he's realized what's you know,

733
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: what's going on?

734
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Speaker 2: But well, sorry, Katie and everyone in this room got

735
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: the same letter I did. So the story gets broken.

736
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Earlier in the week Sunday, we get a letter that

737
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Speaker 2: he cesed us onto the sense of the Chief that

738
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: basically semi acknowledges the fault. You know, he needs to

739
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: be absolutely above reproach, like this doesn't at all meet

740
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: any pub test. You talk to anyone in the street

741
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: and they go, how could you get this so wrong?

742
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: And I don't begrudge the individual that's been high. I

743
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: think everyone he needs employment. He's done nothing wrong and

744
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: putting all politics aside, that individual has done nothing wrong right,

745
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: But he sends a letter on Sunday that says he

746
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: wants changes to the Act. You don't need changes in

747
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: the Act to look at it, practice to look at

748
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: it and go, you were the campaign manager on the

749
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Fanny Bay by election for the CLP, or you had

750
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: some involvement on the campaign with him the last year,

751
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: and we're going to hire you as an investigator. And

752
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: to say the sixty something percent of his investigations that

753
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: they do is political. Everything the akak does is political,

754
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: whether it's the Liberal Party, of the Labor Party, the Greens,

755
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: the Independence, everything is that is political. He has to

756
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: be above reproach. And he's demonstrated that his judgment in

757
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: this instance wasn't there. Now he's going to have to

758
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: work that back at a time and I saw Matt

759
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: Cunningham's article in newspaper the other day at a time

760
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: when we've had calamity after calamity in that organization, they

761
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: really need to start demonstrating people that you can be

762
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: confident going to them. They'll treat it seriously and they'll

763
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: act when they need to.

764
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Speaker 1: Do you think that we're better off having ICAC investigations

765
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: go through a national body.

766
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, at the time that we implemented the IKAK, and

767
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: it was a commitment that we made and we delivered

768
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: on it, but at the time there wasn't a national one.

769
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean, these are discussions that I'm sure the chief

770
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: will be having and she'll be considering, and it's in.

771
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Speaker 1: That but I just can't understand that why that funding

772
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Speaker 1: is sort of being reduced.

773
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, we actually clarified in estimates that I said to him,

774
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: how many of your referrals have already been investigating referred

775
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: by another department and he says about a third. So

776
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: if you removed a third of those re look at cases,

777
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: he has enough resources then to investigate new cases. So

778
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an issue in funding. And we

779
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: clarifyed in estimates that the money was a one off

780
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: and it's come back down to his normal line funding.

781
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: But I do think that if it would be a

782
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: different discussion if there was already a national body in

783
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: place when we made the KAC, there.

784
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Wasn't I think he could bring There's going to be

785
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: people listening though, that are thinking to themselves, well, here

786
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: we go. Labor is trying to have these scrutiny for themselves.

787
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying change, I'm just saying, at the.

788
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: Time, I.

789
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 5: Don't think that's the case. Let's be very clear about this.

790
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: Our territory IK looks at territory departments. It doesn't look

791
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: at commonwealth departments. The federal ICAC will look at Commonwealth agencies, departments,

792
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 5: commonwealth contracts, whatever to do with the KOMO. So, I,

793
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 5: for one, would not support our northern territory IK using

794
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 5: or picking backing onto a national for goodness sake, we're territory.

795
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: We're trying to someday in the future before I die,

796
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 5: I hope to see us as a state. This is

797
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: a step back. If someone is saying, oh, let's just

798
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: get the national ICAIC to come out, Let's be very clear.

799
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that at the time when we set

800
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: it up wasn't. He needs to figure out how he's

801
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: going to get people's trust back, and personally as a

802
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: new person into politics. You know, I'm looking at and going, well,

803
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: how do I know that you're going to be completely

804
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: impartial when you look in the youths.

805
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: I suppose a little bit differently, and I go, Okay, yes,

806
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: you know a mistake has been made here, but he's

807
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, like he has actually like he's acted on it,

808
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, has acted on it.

809
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: He's acted on after pressure that we're four days in,

810
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: Like he sent the email on Sunday the latter, he

811
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: then made a statement on Monday, and now we're reading

812
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: that he's moved the person and again this individual.

813
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: Does your government actually ever said you'd made a mistake

814
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: and acted within four days? I think or mistakes industry

815
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: with pom poms, and there'd be fireworks. Honestly, this is

816
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: I mean, the hypocrisy coming from you, Brent.

817
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: Is we established the.

818
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: Literally trying to undermine and e road confidence in every

819
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: breath you took then, And let's not forget this is

820
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: the government, your government, the one that you were an

821
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: advisor for badly advising a bad government around having a

822
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: secret behind closed door review into the IKAK Act. So

823
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: your government has been we're still waiting. Your government has

824
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: been busy making sure that it controls the powers, the

825
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 4: funding and the operation of the IKAK. You've never made

826
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: that public. We still haven't seen the details. You've got

827
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: an eye CAAC commissioner saying he's been reduced budgets over

828
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: two years now, in significant amounts of funding, you know,

829
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 4: over to you know, around two million dollars I believe

830
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: it is.

831
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: And now you're.

832
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: Sitting here saying, oh, you didn't say sorry quick enough.

833
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: I mean, what an absolute You are all about secrets,

834
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: you are all about control, you are all about a

835
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: lack of scrutiny and transparency, and this just plays perfectly

836
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: into your hand.

837
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: Very interesting because you clearly don't listen to me when

838
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: I'm on this show. Every mistake that brand.

839
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: I don't listen to you a little bit about doubt.

840
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: The estimates community made it very clear, and you go

841
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: out to look at it all your lists, all the

842
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: listeners can go and listen and have a look. We

843
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: didn't reduce it by two million dollars. And it's very

844
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: clear that if some of the investigations they do in

845
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 2: some instance the third time on that same individual case,

846
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: which is a waste of resources. And even he said

847
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: on record embarrassing.

848
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: Let him finish, because just to follow on with what

849
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: you're saying, when people talk about resources and the land

850
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: councils often do this, oh, we need more resources.

851
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 6: No, you don't need more resources.

852
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 5: You just need to allocate the resources you get more

853
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: effectively and efficiently. And that may be the case with

854
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: the yes if there's been a budget drop, there's been

855
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 5: a budget drop, but how all departments across the Northern

856
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 5: Territory have had to revise their budgets. So sometimes it's

857
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 5: the resources, it's how you allocate them.

858
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: We should be doing third time investigations.

859
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 6: I'm kind of looking at.

860
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Those and we go, are you surprised that we're doing

861
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: third time investigations after what had happened.

862
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: Under the previous ICA.

863
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: Look, I sort of go, I can understand why there's

864
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: things being just done again. It you know, even for me,

865
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: like I was named in an ICIC report without anybody

866
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: asking me anything about it, without anybody you know, talking

867
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: to me about anything, for me to have any kind

868
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: of opportunity to say, well, that was not correct, that

869
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: is not what happened, So I should be somebody who's

870
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: out there going, well, hang on, it needs to be disbanded.

871
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: But I think you do need trans like you do

872
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: need things to be investigated. We do need to make

873
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Speaker 1: sure that there's not corrupt behavior in the Northern Territory.

874
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Speaker 1: But we have to make sure that the k Commission

875
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Speaker 1: is able to do that, you know, with the with

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Speaker 1: the correct resourcing required.

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Speaker 2: But it also comes.

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Speaker 6: Back to the departments.

879
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Speaker 5: If we're talking government departments to the Northern Territory. Government

880
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Speaker 5: departments should be rigorous in their own internal processes and

881
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Speaker 5: procedures such that things don't fall through the cracks and

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Speaker 5: ultimately ends up with someone making a complain mismatage.

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Speaker 2: And that's a good point.

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Speaker 5: Come back to the anti government agencies and the direction

885
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Speaker 5: from the government and ministries.

886
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Speaker 2: A lot of these have gone through the agency review.

887
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Speaker 2: They then in somethings go to the Omberdsman, then the ombdsman,

888
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Speaker 2: then to the IKAK, and then that IKAK is upholding

889
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Speaker 2: as he said on the record, you know the determination

890
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Speaker 2: that was found earlier. Now, as I said, absolutely agree

891
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Speaker 2: with in Nikak brought. My concern is that it's taken

892
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Speaker 2: this long to acknowledge that just shouldn't have happened. And

893
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Speaker 2: you know, we got to a point where sorry, you

894
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Speaker 2: don't need to say sorry, just need to acknowledge it was.

895
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Speaker 2: It was a stuff up. You don't need legislation change

896
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Speaker 2: to fiction. It obviously you want it and you can

897
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Speaker 2: see it.

898
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Speaker 6: Change matter.

899
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Speaker 2: It should have just been identified.

900
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Speaker 5: And look, we're going to take a bit of a break.

901
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Speaker 1: Gee, there's been a lot to discuss this morning, and

902
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: so much happened throughout the week. Look, I could talk

903
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Speaker 1: about the Commonwealth Games, the issues out at Howard Springs,

904
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Speaker 1: the you know, the games.

905
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Speaker 5: The government did away with the cool Games.

906
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Speaker 2: I'm not agreen that he canceled it, but do you

907
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Speaker 2: just jump on a second. Games said it was going

908
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Speaker 2: to cost too much. Who's been fiscally responsible? And you're saying.

909
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Speaker 1: By running it out in the regions, trying to win

910
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Speaker 1: within the regions, and you go, you've got all this

911
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Speaker 1: infrastructure in Melbourne where you could have actually run the

912
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Speaker 1: games well, and you know what, you can cancel a lot,

913
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Speaker 1: but when you cancel sport, in my eyes my.

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Speaker 3: Revolting. But looks something I do want to talk.

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Speaker 1: About very briefly is vaping because it is something that

916
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Speaker 1: if you if you've got kids, whether you're you know

917
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Speaker 1: or a grandparent or a cara or an aunt or

918
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Speaker 1: an uncle, you'll understand that this is a really serious

919
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Speaker 1: issue in fact amongst our youngsters in the Northern Territory.

920
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Speaker 1: Right now, we know that the Northern Territory government have

921
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Speaker 1: announced this educative campaign to try to really get kids

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Speaker 1: away from the vapes. President to in t corg Soo

923
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Speaker 1: Tabby Fudge, she joined me on the show yesterday. I

924
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Speaker 1: tell you what some of what she had to say

925
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Speaker 1: was absolutely shocking in the sense that she'd said she

926
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Speaker 1: knows of kidd in.

927
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Speaker 3: Grade three that have been vaping at a school.

928
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Speaker 1: She knows that in some school she's had principles say

929
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Speaker 1: to her that they've literally had boxes of I don't

930
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Speaker 1: even know what you call.

931
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Speaker 2: Them, partridges or whatever.

932
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Speaker 3: The product of vapes being taken out like it is shocking.

933
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Speaker 1: But there's also the shocking part is how some kids

934
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Speaker 1: are getting their hands on vapes.

935
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Brent Shirley, you can enlighten us, because

936
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Speaker 4: let's not forget the first day of parliament after Declan

937
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Speaker 4: Lavity lost his lives at the hands of a criminal.

938
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Speaker 4: The first thing the government did was bring in a

939
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Speaker 4: parliamentary inquiry into vaping rather than dealing with crime fine

940
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Speaker 4: and so a committee was established. You were the chair

941
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Speaker 4: of that committee, Brandt. What did that committee do and

942
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Speaker 4: how long did it last? Because my understanding is it's

943
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Speaker 4: been disbanded.

944
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Speaker 2: You absolutely know. You know it's been dispanding because the report.

945
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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that.

946
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Speaker 4: Now, why committee a couple of weeks labor.

947
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Speaker 2: Question, I'll answer it. The Commonwealth government brought it. They

948
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Speaker 2: brought in a bunch of reforms, and the reality of

949
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Speaker 2: it is tobacco legislation and the control and importation and

950
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Speaker 2: sale of that sits with the federal government. And this

951
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Speaker 2: is a tobacco product, make no bones about it. Every

952
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Speaker 2: one of the vaporizers that you find, or majority of

953
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Speaker 2: them that you find, has some form of nicotine in it,

954
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Speaker 2: and also the byproducts like acetain and the like that

955
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Speaker 2: they don't advertise it. And I think what the federal

956
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Speaker 2: government did absolutely needed to occur. And to be honest,

957
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Speaker 2: the data and the responses that we'd already seen the

958
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Speaker 2: on the Standing Committee, I was already leaning down that

959
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Speaker 2: path and saying we're going to need to treat this

960
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Speaker 2: exactly like cigarettes. It's great out coming out. Sure would

961
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Speaker 2: I have loved to have known day one of the

962
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Speaker 2: committee what the Feds were planning to do. Absolutely, but

963
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they acted fast, and

964
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Speaker 2: we've acted in line with them and this going forward exactly.

965
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Speaker 2: And again it's a waste of taxpayers money having a.

966
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Speaker 4: Committee just try to create in a committee that's tobacco

967
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Speaker 4: was a federal issue.

968
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Speaker 2: You clearly didn't just listen. I said, well, the forms

969
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: they were going to make around vaporizeres.

970
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Speaker 1: That's exactly the thing that I was interested in though

971
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Speaker 1: through the week as well is that we had the

972
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Speaker 1: principle of Duha Middle School on the show. He said

973
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Speaker 1: that they've got the detectives in some of those.

974
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Speaker 2: About a couple under grands, but they work really well.

975
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Speaker 1: So we've had other parents get in contact with us,

976
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Speaker 1: and basically, so you know, Katie, it's an issue at

977
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Speaker 1: my children's school as well. Kids don't feel safe going

978
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Speaker 1: into the toilets.

979
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Speaker 3: At lunch time.

980
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Speaker 2: So they funded that out of their own budget, their

981
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Speaker 2: their global budget for their R and M, and they've

982
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Speaker 2: put that in place. I know Darwin High School has

983
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Speaker 2: looked at that as well, and Eva has come out

984
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Speaker 2: and said very clearly that you'll work with schools on

985
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Speaker 2: how we can implement those if they see them fit

986
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Speaker 2: and listen. In darw and High as Doha Middle they

987
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: absolutely were needed and they work really well and they're

988
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Speaker 2: a low tech solution to a certain very simple problem.

989
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: It's like smoking, vaporizing smoking. It's the same thing. We're

990
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Speaker 2: treating it exactly the same. I know your listeners like

991
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Speaker 2: to hear around how we're funding programs. So we're seeing

992
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Speaker 2: a two third one third from Anty Cancer Council in

993
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Speaker 2: relation to the education program we're going to do. And

994
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Speaker 2: it doesn't just end with the flyers and education we're

995
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: doing that we're doing in the schools. The reality of

996
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: it is now that we're going to have that packaging

997
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: is going to change. You'll only be able to get

998
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: a vaporizer from from a GP that's pharmacy grade.

999
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 5: We're going to be implementing changes to our tobacco legislation

1000
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Speaker 5: up here.

1001
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Speaker 2: Well, it's national now, so if we need to we

1002
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Speaker 2: will still. If we need to make those changes, we

1003
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: will and that'll come out with the Health Department. But

1004
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the importation and the

1005
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: sales already been double.

1006
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: But in the territory, if we're going to implement the

1007
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 5: bit I've read about what Mark Butler, the federal minister, see, yes,

1008
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Speaker 5: we will need that plane packages and put them behind

1009
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Speaker 5: the counter like cigarettes, so that will stop a big

1010
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Speaker 5: chunk of children getting access to It's like, I don't

1011
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Speaker 5: know whether.

1012
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you I've been that requests change.

1013
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: I've been told of kids basically, you know, being on

1014
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: on places like Snapchat, being able to contact strangers, meet

1015
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: those strangers in public places.

1016
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Speaker 3: To be able to get vapes.

1017
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Speaker 1: So this is actually it's not just a health issue,

1018
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: it's actually a safety issue in my opinion as well.

1019
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: It's the same by the police anyway, so they target

1020
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Speaker 2: a legal sale of tobacco and saying with border force

1021
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: when they do importation. And one of the issues that

1022
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Speaker 2: we found even in the very short period of time

1023
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Speaker 2: for the Select Committee was the way that you can

1024
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Speaker 2: buy it on eBay and you can send it, you

1025
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Speaker 2: can import them through the customs model and listen, border Force,

1026
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Speaker 2: it's an ongoing issue for them around all types of drugs.

1027
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Speaker 2: And you're right, the kids would use Snapchat and they're

1028
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Speaker 2: also doing it to get other illicit substances, and police

1029
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: are aware of that. But I think the very first

1030
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: steps is just making it really hard to get off

1031
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: the shelf. You know, you're never one hundred percent, as

1032
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Speaker 2: we know with alcohol, with all other drugs, you're never

1033
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Speaker 2: going one hundred percent remove it, but you don't stop trying.

1034
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Speaker 5: To regulate it more such young people in particular can't

1035
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Speaker 5: get excess.

1036
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a good outcome. Like I mean, every

1037
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Speaker 2: parent is worried they want the kids to start smoking, Well,

1038
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Speaker 2: you don't want them to start vapor and unfortunately we

1039
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Speaker 2: don't know the long term side effects for people that

1040
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: are long term vapors, they die.

1041
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Speaker 4: Very important that we're supporting families. I mean this comes

1042
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Speaker 4: back to you know, safety while you're online, a whole

1043
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: range of other things and ensuring you know, it even

1044
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: comes back to school based constables Keisier, which I know

1045
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: is something you're very passionate about as am I. You know,

1046
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: having the right support in our schools and with families.

1047
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: Education for parents, I mean, you know, I'm a parent,

1048
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Speaker 4: We're you know, it's it's you don't even know sometimes

1049
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: what the things are that are out there and so

1050
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: making sure that families can be in those those positions

1051
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Speaker 4: to be able to look after their children is just

1052
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: as important as making sure there's education within schools.

1053
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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to wrap up. It's

1054
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Speaker 1: just a moment away from ten o'clock. Opposition leader Leafanoki,

1055
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time this morning.

1056
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Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm off to Catherine Show now. It'll be great,

1057
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Speaker 4: but thank you for saving me.

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Speaker 1: Kezy Puric, thank you. Brunes Potter, the labor member for

1059
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Speaker 1: Fanny Bay, thank you.

1060
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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you all and we'll talk to you

1062
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Speaker 1: again very soon. You are listening to Mix one O

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