1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It is Thursday, 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: the thirtieth of June. A big shout out to everybody 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: who cares about the end of the financial year, both 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: as a consumer, if you're looking to buy something before 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: the tax return season comes upon us, or if you 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: work in finance, I know this is a big day 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: for you as well, the Christmas of finance they call it. 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: So happy EFAs to everyone. Billy. Today on the podcast, 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: we're going to be talking through the latest revelations from 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the January sixth hearings over in the US. It doesn't 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: paint the best picture of President Trump and will tell 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: you why in the Deep Dive. But first, what is 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: making headlines this morning? 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Uber and the Transport Workers Union have signed an agreement 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: that will provide minimum pay and conditions for the gig 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: economy and they say it's the first time a ride 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: share or food delivery company has formed a deal with 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: a union in Australia. Tony Burke, the Federal Minister for 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: Employment and Workplace Relations, so the agreement was a significant 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: deal that recognizes gig workers need more rights. 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: So overseas, News Now and Turkey has agreed to withdraw 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: its objection to Sweden and Finland's joining Western military Alliance NATO, 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: after previously holding concerns over the country's stance on Kurdish groups, 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: which they regard as terrorist organizations. A trilateral deal was 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: struck between the leaders of those three nations on the 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: eve of the NATO summit in Spain, also being attended 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: by our Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi, which allows Sweden and 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Finland's to take the next step towards full membership of NATO. 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: At least fifty two inmates have been killed and thirty 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: are injured after a fire broke out during a prison 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: ride in Columbia on Tuesday morning. The prisoners were trying 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: to block prison guards from stopping an escape attempt. According 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: to the head of Columbia's prison agency, inmates set their 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: mattresses on fire, which quote created a cascade effect that 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: spread to virtually the whole block. 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: And today's Good News and Appeals Court in Poland has 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: ruled that four municipalities with LGBT free zones must be removed. 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: These zones sought to ban what was seen as the 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: promotion of homosexuality, but was ordered to be scrapped after 40 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: a legal challenge from the Polish Human rights on Bardsman. 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: All Right, Billy, let's turn our attention to Washington, DC, 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: where we've had a fresh batch of January six hearings 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: this week after they began earlier this month. I think 44 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: there's enough here to bring our audience a bit of 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: a check in as to some of the revelations we've 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: heard from the hearings. First, I want you to tell 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: me what exactly these hearings are about and what the 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: implications could be for the former president Donald Trump. 49 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: So first, Sam, just quickly the jan six hearings, they 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: relate to the events of the attack on the US 51 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: capital in twenty twenty one. I'm sure many of you 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: remember it. I remember being glued to my TV screen 53 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: when it happened. And what happened was thousands of Trump 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: supporters dormed their capital and they were falsely claiming that 55 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: there had been a fraudulent presidential election when Trump was 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: defeated by the current US President Joe Biden. And so 57 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: the capital is where both houses of the US Congress meet, 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: so the House of Representatives and the Senate, and at 59 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: the time of the attack, it was being used to 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: finalize the votes for the twenty twenty election. So it's 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: just a formal process to certify those results. And so 62 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: this hearing is being conducted by a select House of 63 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: Representatives committee and it's bipartisans, so it has members on 64 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: it that are both from the Republicans and from the Democrats. 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: And their role is to investigate the attack on the 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: Capitol and they'll document their findings in a report that 67 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: is due out in about September. 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: And are we talking here about a criminal trial. 69 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: No, so Donald Trump can't be prosecuted or sentenced to 70 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: some sort of penalty during these hearings. That's not their 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: role here, but it can refer people to the Department 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: of Justice for criminal prosecution. And so the US Attorney General, 73 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: Merrick Garland, will ultimately make that decision on whether to 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: prosecute trus or not. And he has confirmed that he's 75 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: paying close attention to these hearings, as is millions of 76 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: Americans and people all over the world. 77 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I've seen some of the TV numbers for these hearings, 78 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: and it's serious primetime viewing for a big chunk of America. 79 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Now we clearly know the significance of these hearings. It's 80 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: really really important conversations for America and the world to 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: be having. Why is it making news today? 82 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: So it relates to the most recent committee hearings this week, 83 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: which have delved into more detail about Trump's actual movements 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: and behavior on the day of January sixth, when the 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: riots were occurring, and so to paint the picture, Sam, 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: Trump held a rally on the same day as the 87 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: riots in Washington in which he urged his supporters to 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: go to the Capitol and show courage to protect the 89 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: US democracy. And I don't know if you remember any 90 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: of that speech, Sam, but he was once again claiming 91 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: that it was fordulent and that the election had been 92 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: stolen by the Democrats. Here's a quick snippet of that speech. 93 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: And after this, we're going to and I'll be there 94 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: with you. We're going to walk down. We're going to 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: walk down any one you want. But I think right here, 96 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: we're going to walk down to the. 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: Capital and we're going to cheer on our brave senators 98 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 4: and congressmen and women. And we're probably not going to 99 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: be cheering so much for some of them, because you'll 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: never take back our country with weakness. 101 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. 102 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: So that clip you just listened to was taken from 103 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: about the fifteen minute mark of Trump's speech on the 104 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: sixth of January, and about ten minutes later, supporters were 105 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: filmed leaving the rally and heading to the Capitol. And 106 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: in that clip you might have noticed that Trump said 107 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: he would join his supporters at the capitol. And so 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: this never happened, which has caused the actual whereabouts of 109 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: Trump while his support is attached to the capital to 110 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: be put under the microcope this week. So this week 111 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: we're finding out about where Trump actually was and also 112 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: how he was talking to those around him and what 113 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: he wanted to do versus what the people around him 114 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: were advising him to do. 115 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: And so what's the general understanding from the hearing? Did 116 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: Trump want to go to the Capitol? Was he in hiding? 117 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: Where was he? 118 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: Yes? So what we've found out is that he did 119 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: want to go to the capital. He really wanted to 120 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: go to the Capitol. So during the hearing this week, 121 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: we heard from Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked for the former 122 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and in her testimony, 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Hutchinson said that Trump demanded that he be taken to 124 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 2: the Capitol after his speech, and so she heard about 125 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: this from another White House staff member, a man whose 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: name is Anthony Onato, who Hutchinson refers to in the 127 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: clip You're about to hear as Tony, and Hutchinson is 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: describing Trump's reaction to being told he would be going 129 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: back to the White House and the action he took 130 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: at the time against Robert Engel, who is a member 131 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: of Trump's security team, and in the clip You're about 132 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: to hear, Hutchinson calls him Bobby. 133 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 5: The President had very strong, very angry response to that. 134 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 5: Tony described him as being irate. The President said something 135 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 5: to the effect of I'm the thing president taking me 136 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 5: up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, so 137 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: we have to go back to the West wing. The 138 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 5: President reached up towards the front of the vehicle to 139 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 5: grab at the steering wheel. Mister Engel grabbed his arm, 140 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: said so you need to take your hand off the 141 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 5: steering wheel. We're going back to the West wing. We're 142 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: not going to the Capitol. 143 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: And Hutchinson went on to say that Trump used the 144 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: arm that Angle wasn't holding to lunge at Angle's collarbone area. 145 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: Not a great look for the former president. So if 146 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: we zoo him out a little bit, it's clear that 147 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: the events of January sixth were the culmination the peak 148 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: of tension between Trump, his supporters, and his political opponents. 149 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Did Hutchinson, as this key witness in the hearings, shed 150 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: any more lights on the events that happened after the 151 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: presidential election, because remember it was two months before January sixth, 152 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: or in the immediate lead up to the capital attacks. 153 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it turned out to be quite an explosive 154 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: testimony from Hutchinson. She also spoke of Trump's anger when 155 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: other White House officials didn't support his voter fraud claims 156 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: following the election. So Hutchinson said that in December twenty twenty, 157 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: after the then Attorney General William Barr publicly debunked claims 158 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: of voter fraud, Trump apparently threw his lunch against a 159 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: wall in the White House dining room, and she said 160 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: that she learned about the incident from the staff member 161 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: who had to clean the tomato sauce that was dripping 162 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: off the wall, which, according to Hutchinson, also left a 163 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: shattered plate on the ground, and in her testimony, Hutchinson 164 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: also said that Trump knew that his supporters attending the 165 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: rally had weapons on them, and that key advisors, including 166 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, thought something big would happen on 167 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: the sixth of January. She also said that Trump saw 168 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with the treatment that then Vice President Mike 169 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: Pence was receiving from his supporters, who chanted to quote 170 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: hanging Mike Pence over his refusal to reject the election results. 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Now, it would only be fair in this podcast to 172 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: hear what the former president had to say, because there's 173 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: obviously been a lot of allegations put towards him. Now 174 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: we also know that he's banned from Twitter, which is 175 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: the main way that he would communicate with his followers 176 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: and with the media. Have we heard from President Trump? 177 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, we also know that Trump isn't one to 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: keep quiet. So Trump has replied to the testimony via 179 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,239 Speaker 2: his Truth social social media platform, where he called Hutchinson's 180 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: account of events fraudulent and a fake story. He also 181 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: said that it wouldn't have been possible for him to 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: grab the steering wheel of a White House vehicle and 183 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: said that he wouldn't want anyone with weapons to enter 184 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: his rally. 185 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: It's certainly been a tough seven days and a couple 186 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: of months for for America. There seems to be a 187 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: lot of reckoning that the country is doing towards its 188 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: political systems, its courts, and how it identifies itself as 189 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: a democracy. That's all we've got time for on today's 190 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: edition of The Daily was if you enjoyed what you heard, 191 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: We would love a review on Apple or a rating 192 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: on Spotify. These little tiny things that listeners can do 193 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: make a massive difference to us as an independent media company. 194 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: Until then, we'll speak to you in July. Have a 195 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: great day.