Speaker 1: Welcome to a bonus episode today, very special one for
Speaker 1: Matt Na.
Speaker 2: He is a friend of ours, friend of the show.
Speaker 2: He's a girl dad Matt, so right up here, Ali.
Speaker 1: He's also a co host on a very popular sports
Speaker 1: podcast called Hello Sports.
Speaker 3: It is the home of unqualified opinion and unwavering Bias,
Speaker 3: a celebration of great Australian pastime that is talking about sport.
Speaker 3: Big fan of podcast Hello Sport. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 3: Big found of his work. We met Tom over in Vegas.
Speaker 3: We were there recently. I'm sure people are fed up
Speaker 3: of us talking about Vegas, but we were there and
Speaker 3: I thought we need to get him on.
Speaker 1: And he's a very very funny man. Which fun fact,
Speaker 1: his dad, Billy Okay Billy, is also known as the
Speaker 1: twelfth the twelfth Man, so dating back to the eighties
Speaker 1: there was a few albums released by a very funny
Speaker 1: man making and poking a lot of fun at Australian
Speaker 1: cricket commentation.
Speaker 3: I wish my mum was here because my absolutely loses
Speaker 3: her ship over the twelfth Man. If she had met Tom,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have met it out here in one piece.
Speaker 2: She's a man.
Speaker 3: She would have absolutely had away with him. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a great chat and he's absolutely hilarious and just
Speaker 3: towards the end, don't mind the fact that we get
Speaker 3: interrupted with the Nursey comes in and gives us ivy drips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we start s learning a bit. We're tired.
Speaker 1: That was to purpose back up, So enjoy.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to three doting dads. I'm Mattie, Jay Match,
Speaker 4: and I'm Tom. Now normally we don't give advice. Today
Speaker 4: Tom may be different. Will you have advice to give?
Speaker 3: No pressure, no pressure on the advice.
Speaker 5: I may give advice, depends how the conversation goes. I
Speaker 5: also am like I hate getting given advice, well by
Speaker 5: certain people. It depends who like you get advice from.
Speaker 3: This may be surprised to some people because you don't
Speaker 3: look like a man who's grown up in Bathist.
Speaker 2: I didn't grub on Batist. There we go, There we go.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense. You went to Union.
Speaker 3: I went to Union.
Speaker 5: Bathst's too handsome for battle, Thank you so much. No,
Speaker 5: I went to Union Bathtist. I grew up in barrel.
Speaker 2: Same thing.
Speaker 3: No, it's absolutely no disrespect to Bathists.
Speaker 2: Start with a bee.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 3: They're eating caviar and lobster every morning.
Speaker 2: They are now they weren't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No Barrel was lovely. It's changed a bit now
Speaker 5: it's like full wedding destination. Southern Highlands. You know it's
Speaker 5: almost called Southern high you know, no one but sounds
Speaker 5: to be like Barrel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Southern go out in the Highlands, South Wales, Southern Isghlands.
Speaker 5: Yes, but No Barrel was mad. I really enjoyed growing
Speaker 5: up there. Left there when I was like fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 5: but batist Uni, which was a really nice way to
Speaker 5: delay adult life. What should have been three years turned
Speaker 5: out to be about five or six.
Speaker 2: I've only ever been out there once and it was
Speaker 2: bloody good night.
Speaker 3: What were you there for?
Speaker 2: Never your mind?
Speaker 1: I was there for a good night, right, and I
Speaker 1: look forgive me if we're wrong, but your dad, yes,
Speaker 1: the twelfth Man correct, and obviously you live with that
Speaker 1: in Barrel. For those who don't know who the twelfth
Speaker 1: Man is, it's a bit of a cricket parody on
Speaker 1: the reserve of a cricket team. But it was brought out.
Speaker 2: It was three no dude, he started in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, right, like it was kind of cultish, how like, yeah,
Speaker 3: everyony like cricket, like the twelfth Man.
Speaker 5: He was Basically he took the piss out of the
Speaker 5: commentary team for like Austrain cricket and then it's sort
Speaker 5: of then like changed into like other sporting figures and
Speaker 5: like so again it like he did one, he did
Speaker 5: like five or six albums. I don't know, back when
Speaker 5: it was like Wow, c d's and ship. But so
Speaker 5: he took the piss out of the country team. I
Speaker 5: think it was sort of like a funny angle, like
Speaker 5: when you're hearing like Richie Benno say fuck after you know,
Speaker 5: like that was sort of naughty. Yeah, so naughty not
Speaker 5: to reduce his things to just swear with. But so yeah,
Speaker 5: he was. He was very clever, yeah, made he was good.
Speaker 5: He was like sometimes I don't it was normal for
Speaker 5: me growing up, you know what I mean, like because
Speaker 5: it was just all I ever knew. But now I'm
Speaker 5: a bit older, so I'm a lot older, actually thirty five,
Speaker 5: but now I sort of appreciate it even more. Like
Speaker 5: he he one year at the R's got the highest
Speaker 5: selling album of the year. Holy shit, Kylie.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like, so he was way bigger than I actually really ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but did people did he have that notariety because
Speaker 3: it was CDs, right, people didn't necessarily put the face
Speaker 3: to the name.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was, well, he wasn't like he definitely wasn't
Speaker 5: like Kylie, but certainly like he got recognized.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like dance moves like he can move.
Speaker 5: The man can move. Yeah, he wasn't. He definitely had
Speaker 5: like he was. Definitely he would get noticed in the street,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't crazy. But it was just sort of
Speaker 5: you know, like yell at someone yelling across the street
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 3: What about playing sport as a youngster, would he get
Speaker 3: recognized on the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure, that was probably where it happened more.
Speaker 5: But again it was like you'd see you'd see like
Speaker 5: people's dads start to act like weird. You know. That
Speaker 5: was where it was more funny because you're like that.
Speaker 5: My kids were like didn't know it, like we didn't
Speaker 5: know anything. They were just like my mates. They knew
Speaker 5: that dad was famous, but that was like sort of it.
Speaker 5: I guess we sort of listened to it. It was
Speaker 5: a bit naughty, like you could get away. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but you'd see like Dad's like, you know what's going
Speaker 5: on here? Where that guy got a direction.
Speaker 3: To your house to pick up and made he's been
Speaker 3: hanging over And they'd always like come inside the house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a bit of that stuff. But again,
Speaker 5: like it was all it was all pretty cool, Like
Speaker 5: dad was always he's always been good with it. So
Speaker 5: it's not like he's like a shy guy actually.
Speaker 2: And it was he like was he like a really
Speaker 2: funny dad to have?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's funny, and like he's not like like
Speaker 5: when you get him to laugh, it's like satisfact, not
Speaker 5: because he's not. He's not like he's not like I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna laugh at anything you say. But you're just
Speaker 5: like he's got a very respect his sense of humor.
Speaker 5: So like if you get him, you're like fuck yeah,
Speaker 5: but no, he's very funny.
Speaker 3: He still is.
Speaker 1: And do you recall what his parenting style was like
Speaker 1: back when you're a young fellow.
Speaker 5: It was hands off. He was pretty chill, like you
Speaker 5: know he again like now I'm older, I can see
Speaker 5: that it was like.
Speaker 2: A strange lifestyle because he just didn't.
Speaker 5: Work likeuse in he worked, but he would do like
Speaker 5: an album every five years, and then in between he
Speaker 5: just sort of do whatever he wanted and like just
Speaker 5: sort of hang out. So like he you know, he
Speaker 5: was like hands on in sort of like footy, like
Speaker 5: you know, we're playing sport and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: But other than that, he wasn't. He wasn't. And also
Speaker 5: I don't know whether you know, sometimes you think, like
Speaker 5: when you're maybe doing someone's apparent, You're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: am I doing this because it's like been ingrained in
Speaker 5: me by my parents? Or is it just like my
Speaker 5: own personality? Do I have any free will here? But
Speaker 5: like he never would. He never bought as any presents ever,
Speaker 5: not that that matters, like it gives a ship, but
Speaker 5: it was like one of those things where you knew
Speaker 5: that he didn't buy anything, like if it was your birthday,
Speaker 5: it was always mums. I don't know if that's just
Speaker 5: a normal thing. But then like.
Speaker 1: When Dad's surprised, he's like, yeah, he got his Golden
Speaker 1: I on n sixty four, and I'm like I almost
Speaker 1: feel bad for mom.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you've you've like done birthday presents my entire life,
Speaker 5: and this is trump every single a singamore.
Speaker 2: What a game Golden I was.
Speaker 3: He probably like saw it written down on a list
Speaker 3: of like things to buy, and he just so it.
Speaker 5: Was initially we weren't allowed to have it, and then
Speaker 5: Mum went away somewhere for like a week, and then
Speaker 5: Dad's like, Dad's gone, nah, he's not even a game.
Speaker 5: I don't know what possessed him to do it, but
Speaker 5: he just maybe there was like heaps of hype around
Speaker 5: it then I don't know, but like he was just like, no,
Speaker 5: fuck that, we're getting gold night, and he just came
Speaker 5: back with it, and I was like, are you serious, dude,
Speaker 5: this is like the best thing ever?
Speaker 3: Was it a pretty like obvious good cop bad cop MP?
Speaker 5: Well yeah, like not necessarily bad cop, but definitely like
Speaker 5: if you wanted it. If it was like if you
Speaker 5: want high level clearance to do anything, it's like we
Speaker 5: go to mum and then if you're being bad, then
Speaker 5: it's like Dad comes in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that comes in.
Speaker 5: Dad comes in and just.
Speaker 2: Like raises his voice and you're like, oh.
Speaker 3: Shit, I know.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: Like it was the other way around from my parents'
Speaker 1: Dad was like never really raised his voice, but when
Speaker 1: Mum yelled, it.
Speaker 5: Was like fuck, yeah, you really fucked up.
Speaker 2: My parents have some pipes on them when they want to.
Speaker 3: You're in Baptist then for university?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, it was in there, went there maybe
Speaker 5: a couple of years after school, like I didn't know
Speaker 5: what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: What you study?
Speaker 5: I studied commercial radio communication, commercial radio. Yes, so my
Speaker 5: cousin who you know, Sarah, she did it and she
Speaker 5: was always raving out like Christmas come back and it
Speaker 5: was just about fun it was. And I was like
Speaker 5: I tried UNI for two weeks, like straight out of school.
Speaker 5: My girlfriend at the time was like her grandparents almost
Speaker 5: like pressured me into it, like go, you got to
Speaker 5: go to UNI. They were like a real high functioning family.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, all right, I'd all go and do
Speaker 5: a business degree at the Australian Catholic University like my
Speaker 5: my u ai ATA whatever the hell was called u
Speaker 5: T I like it. It's changed now. But yeah, that
Speaker 5: didn't get me much. So I tried to do business
Speaker 5: for a couple of two weeks and then it was
Speaker 5: like I hate this place, and then it's two weeks
Speaker 5: to get out before you have to start paying.
Speaker 2: A couple of years later, I was like, let's do something.
Speaker 5: Let's try to do something. And then I had a
Speaker 5: maid who was already up in Bathist, and so went
Speaker 5: up there did commercial radio, which was funny as well,
Speaker 5: right like unis like it's great. I loved it. But
Speaker 5: they were like, you know what the future of audio is, guys,
Speaker 5: digital radio. And I'm like, okay, sweet. So we're all
Speaker 5: liked and they're like, guess what.
Speaker 2: One day digital radio is going to be in cars,
Speaker 2: They're going to be in your fridge and like so
Speaker 2: you're like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So you're like you're learning all this stuff and then
Speaker 5: you leave and it's like, oh, podcasting and like digital
Speaker 5: radio is a form of it, but like podcasting was
Speaker 5: the future. Yeah, but Bathist was great.
Speaker 3: You go back to you and you're like, do you
Speaker 3: guys have anything to say for this massive up?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't mean you're like a pioneer though, Like do
Speaker 3: they want to invite you back to be like hey,
Speaker 3: speak to the keys like I.
Speaker 5: Think actually at one point we were I don't know
Speaker 5: if we were asked to. We spoke to someone from
Speaker 5: the UNI about going back to speak and I don't
Speaker 5: know whether there was an inquiry about whether they were like.
Speaker 2: There was some conversation about it.
Speaker 5: I don't know whether, like i'd be, there are much
Speaker 5: more qualified.
Speaker 3: People talk yourself down to advocate, were there, like you know.
Speaker 2: I mean all those boys, well one of them does
Speaker 2: have a kid, now that'd be great.
Speaker 1: And you met ed Yes Eddie, yea Eddie. Sorry for
Speaker 1: those listening. Eddie is your podcast co host on Hello Sport.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 3: Do you remember what was that first?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: It was it walking into the same class and you
Speaker 3: guys sat next to each other and loved blossomed.
Speaker 5: No, so we had a little bit more of a
Speaker 5: relationship than that. So he was in my brother's year
Speaker 5: at school, but I thought he was someone else, Like
Speaker 5: he looked heaps like this other guy in their year.
Speaker 5: I thought you guys are brothers originally when a lot
Speaker 5: of people do, or a lot of people just think
Speaker 5: that one of us is the other one no one.
Speaker 3: I feel like you start to when you spent enough
Speaker 3: time with the co host, everyone starts to think that
Speaker 3: we're brothers.
Speaker 7: Now, And I'm like, when you grow a mustache and
Speaker 7: put a hat on, just actually it happened, and we then.
Speaker 5: We talk exactly the same now as well, like it's
Speaker 5: but so he was in my brother's you're at school,
Speaker 5: I thought he was a guy called Jack keeping shout
Speaker 5: out to Jack. And then once we went to UNI,
Speaker 5: we both started at the same time, and it was
Speaker 5: just you know, when you're there and you're like, well,
Speaker 5: we both know no one here, so let's just like
Speaker 5: on the first day we're just sort of like yeah,
Speaker 5: and then just he's like the funniest dude. And he
Speaker 5: was like, he says, he's like I never thought I
Speaker 5: was funny, or like no one had ever like thought
Speaker 5: I was funny. Wasn't something where I was like something
Speaker 5: security like I'm not funny, but I I just thought
Speaker 5: like the way he was, the way he would say,
Speaker 5: so I was like, this is just the funniest person ever.
Speaker 5: And so that was sort of just how we started
Speaker 5: getting on.
Speaker 3: That is fucking beautiful. It's like Brussels Sprout being like,
Speaker 3: no one's going to think I'm delicious, and you're like,
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: I love him sput.
Speaker 3: And so then at this point was Steph who was
Speaker 3: your wife? She in the mix.
Speaker 5: She was I met her when I was nineteen oh
Speaker 5: and she was seventeen.
Speaker 2: Again in my brother's year.
Speaker 1: Let's not tell the cops that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to judge here one hundred percent leater. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have my lawyership.
Speaker 2: But no, So she was in year twelve. I just
Speaker 2: finished school.
Speaker 5: There, he does put it that way. Yeah, she was five,
Speaker 5: so she was friends with my brother a year below me.
Speaker 5: And again like she knew me more than I knew her,
Speaker 5: just because like you know, and then I met her
Speaker 5: at a bar. I met her at the Oak in
Speaker 5: Double Bay.
Speaker 2: That was like where we first hooked up.
Speaker 3: So you were back from Bathist. No, this was.
Speaker 2: Before I went, So I didn't go to Bathist.
Speaker 5: I was like twenty one, twenty.
Speaker 2: Old man, I film like that.
Speaker 5: Everyone's like, are studio. So yeah, I met her when
Speaker 5: when like first year out of school, and then we
Speaker 5: were basically together since we broke up for a year
Speaker 5: and a half. Because it seems like probably a smart
Speaker 5: thing to do, to be honest, but I was like,
Speaker 5: I just was a great boyfriend.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't believe that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, like when you're young and it's
Speaker 5: like I'm going away to UNI every day, Like it
Speaker 5: just was a realistic everywhere I'd imagine that's a pretty
Speaker 5: hard environment to maintain because you're doing a long distance Yeah,
Speaker 5: and batist is you Yeah, And like, genuinely it wasn't it.
Speaker 5: It was nothing to do with like, oh, there's heaps
Speaker 5: of girls up there. It was just more that, like
Speaker 5: I liked fucking off, like just being silly, having fun,
Speaker 5: having big nights doing that, and then you come back
Speaker 5: to Sydney and you're wrecked from the weekend. That's when
Speaker 5: we went to hang out, and I was like, and
Speaker 5: she's a very intelligent person who.
Speaker 3: Had like Eddie getting the best version of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's probably still.
Speaker 1: My wife says, everyone gets fun time ash, but then
Speaker 1: you're just sad.
Speaker 3: Timing wise for the breakup, was was a little bit tricky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. I was wed booked a holiday to
Speaker 5: Bali with Eddie and his missus who's now his wife,
Speaker 5: and then another and here's missus Stilson and his wife beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's just like three couples. Everyone's rock solid.
Speaker 5: Two weeks before we go, she dumps me, which is
Speaker 5: just a great I love the term dumping. I dumped.
Speaker 3: It must have been pretty serious because you've got flights booked,
Speaker 3: like fully serious and she's like yeah, and then I'm
Speaker 3: like rattled.
Speaker 5: And she was the most depressing part of it because
Speaker 5: she was she was going with her mum the start,
Speaker 5: and then after like a couple of weeks of her mom,
Speaker 5: it was like we're all going to meet up at
Speaker 5: this like villa or something.
Speaker 2: And then so she dumps me and then it's like
Speaker 2: we can still go if.
Speaker 5: You want, no way, yeah, like this is the most
Speaker 5: embarrassing we've paid for it. Yeah. No. I was like
Speaker 5: fuck that, I'm just going to move my flight, and
Speaker 5: so I moved it. I just fully gate crashed my mate.
Speaker 5: It's holiday with his entire family and like all of
Speaker 5: their partners and and kids and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, dude, I'm coming with your family. He's
Speaker 5: like right, oh, He's like he's like a super hot dude.
Speaker 5: And we get over there, and any night we went out,
Speaker 5: there's like two seconds and he'd have just chicks all
Speaker 5: over him. And I'm you know, like if you've been
Speaker 5: in a relationship a long time and then you break up,
Speaker 5: you're like, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: But also they could smell the desperate they could.
Speaker 5: Smell it, and they could see it you know.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: Balley and it's hot, right fucking Bali, And we're going
Speaker 5: to Coot a nightclub, and I went, you were in
Speaker 5: super bad when mclovin is like dressed in a fucking
Speaker 5: shirt and pants evance. Everyone in this nightclub is in
Speaker 5: bodies and singlets and I've got I've got Chino pants
Speaker 5: on it and a linen shirt and braces even in
Speaker 5: like he's just emboardies and ship and I'm like, I
Speaker 5: rock up.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, you're just sweating.
Speaker 5: So bad. And his old man came with us as well,
Speaker 5: so I hung out with this with his dad the
Speaker 5: whole time. His dad left and I just walked down
Speaker 5: by myself.
Speaker 2: It was so bad, so bad.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like I think that would have made that
Speaker 3: worse is if you saw Steph.
Speaker 5: No, that would have been tough. Didn't go at the
Speaker 5: same time, when did you rekindle? We sort of kept
Speaker 5: in touch, like she was kind of messing with me,
Speaker 5: but she'd always like call me out of the blue
Speaker 5: or like when the mates like what's gone, and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: you dump me. I had an awful time in Bali.
Speaker 5: Let's not don't keep calling me here.
Speaker 3: Like but also as good. But the core that was
Speaker 3: attaching you and Steph together wasn't entirely cut like.
Speaker 5: I always sounds corny. I always felt like we'd get
Speaker 5: back together, like I was. It always felt I don't
Speaker 5: know why, And I wasn't really like entertaining like relationship
Speaker 5: like girlfriends or anything like that. I was just sort
Speaker 5: of like, yeah, well because yeah, there was no chance
Speaker 5: of another relationship. But yeah, So I think it was
Speaker 5: like a year and a half. I actually went.
Speaker 2: A band Drifts.
Speaker 5: Tr f F played the drums, and I think she
Speaker 5: saw that was like, he's pretty hot.
Speaker 3: That was not a good thing.
Speaker 5: Thinking should we start a dad bad singing like Frozen song?
Speaker 2: We could call it bad Ham. I think that's a
Speaker 2: great man. I've already got this mapped out for this guy.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you've actually been planning that.
Speaker 5: We rang here today, ranging here today.
Speaker 2: So she's seen you in a band. She's thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: this look. I say that to her, She's like it
Speaker 2: was unattractive.
Speaker 3: So how old are you at this at this time? Dude?
Speaker 5: I find now I have no idea how old I
Speaker 5: was at any of the stages in my life. I'm
Speaker 5: say like twenty four to twenty five, but I don't know,
Speaker 5: so I think we may have been back together by then.
Speaker 5: But anyway, like we we stayed in touch and then
Speaker 5: we got dinner one night. We hooked up and notes
Speaker 5: back on.
Speaker 3: And I find it interesting with couples. I feel like
Speaker 3: there's normally one person who's leading the charge when it
Speaker 3: comes to starting a family. Do you remember was that
Speaker 3: from Steph? Was that yourself or was it united.
Speaker 5: It was or an accident? It was in the hands
Speaker 5: of the gods that one. It was just like we'd
Speaker 5: spoken about it again. By the time we'd had Evey.
Speaker 5: The time we got pregnant, we've.
Speaker 2: Been together for ten years ish more, so.
Speaker 5: It was like was it going to happen? Like it wasn't.
Speaker 2: We were comfortable that that was where it was going
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 5: We weren't married, not that that matters, but I think
Speaker 5: we'd gone away on like a holiday and we were like,
Speaker 5: you know, you're in you're in like Europe, and you
Speaker 5: just forget that, like shit, You're like fuck it, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's do it. And then we had a scare flack
Speaker 5: of determined in Greece and she's like, holy fuck, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2: We were like, Jesus Christ, that seems quick.
Speaker 3: That's going to ruin the ey. Dude. I have no idea,
Speaker 3: but the Mediterranean makes people more fertile.
Speaker 1: Apparently, it's very similar to ap to our firstborn we
Speaker 1: found in Croatia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we thought she was pregnant and we're like walking
Speaker 5: around the streets and she's like holding a belly, like, oh,
Speaker 5: oh my god. And then we get back to the
Speaker 5: room and I'm like, do you want to drink? She's
Speaker 5: like I can't now, and I'm like, oh shit, yeah right,
Speaker 5: and then she goes in the bathroom. She's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 5: And in Greece, the pregnancy test to like switch like
Speaker 5: a plus is do you want a plus or like
Speaker 5: a plus plus means you're not pregnant or something. She's like,
Speaker 5: oh wait a minute. So that was like so we
Speaker 5: had opened our like sort of minds to just like
Speaker 5: but we were open to it.
Speaker 3: I don't know when Laura first found out she was
Speaker 3: pregnant and that time we that baby didn't go full term.
Speaker 3: We lost it really early on, but there was a
Speaker 3: moment where you're like, okay, like now, from this moment on,
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm about to be a dad, and you
Speaker 3: start your imagination just runs with it. Well, you in Greece,
Speaker 3: going okay, this is.
Speaker 5: Was there only one day, wasn't it? It was, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was. The imagination was going well for like three
Speaker 5: and a half hours were what we were out like
Speaker 5: at like this nice place having dinner, like a nice view,
Speaker 5: and we're sitting there.
Speaker 2: Like holy shit, oh my god, this is happening.
Speaker 5: And then walking around the streets and just she's holding
Speaker 5: her belly and like we're looking at and like you know,
Speaker 5: going shopping or something. And then we get back.
Speaker 3: Buying prams already yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we get back and she's like, I'm
Speaker 5: just going to do another one to make sure, and
Speaker 5: then she does, and then she's looking on the box
Speaker 5: and we're like it's all in Greek, and then we're
Speaker 5: doing the translated thing and she's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, oh shit, I'm not pregnant here.
Speaker 5: And that was kind of like a relief, yeah, because
Speaker 5: we were sort of open to it. And then it
Speaker 5: was like yeah, that n so. But it wasn't that
Speaker 5: long after. It was probably six months after that, Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're back from Europe. Yeah, well it was maybe a
Speaker 5: year later actually, because then I we found out she
Speaker 5: was pregnant, and like around this time then like a
Speaker 5: couple of months before, so like the end of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 5: I got made redundant from my radio job.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Macquari Sports Radio and.
Speaker 5: Then it was Bushfires and it was COVID and then
Speaker 5: I was like laboring. I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: what the fuck is going on here? Understandably she was
Speaker 5: stressed because she's again like what the fuck is going
Speaker 5: on here? I was just always felt like it'd work out.
Speaker 5: I don't know that, and again like blind optimism, but
Speaker 5: yeah to hell, yeah, it's such a mad thing. Like
Speaker 5: right after I got laid off from the radio thing,
Speaker 5: COVID hit, I was laboring. Then you couldn't labor anymore
Speaker 5: because it was like you couldn't be around people. Then
Speaker 5: a made of mine was like, my mates have pivoted
Speaker 5: their business to selling sanitizers masks, and like they were
Speaker 5: a beauty business. Yeah, so they're starting like this other business,
Speaker 5: where do you want to come and sell sanitize and shit?
Speaker 5: And I was like, never sold a thing in my life.
Speaker 5: Sure did that for a year, making no money, but
Speaker 5: like it was just enough to get it was almost funny,
Speaker 5: and we talk about it was like the happiest time
Speaker 5: in our life as well, like there was was just
Speaker 5: super chilled and a new baby. You're all locked inside
Speaker 5: and it was just being locked in. I don't mind it, dude,
Speaker 5: like just suck when you're in there. But anyway, I
Speaker 5: did that for a year and then at the end
Speaker 5: of that year, we were basically the podcast was making
Speaker 5: just enough money to pay me exactly the same, and
Speaker 5: she was like, why don't you just do it? Why
Speaker 5: don't you just have a crack, And I was like,
Speaker 5: if I was in a radio job where I'm getting
Speaker 5: paid more money, that was like stable, Like I don't
Speaker 5: know if I would have ever had the nuts to
Speaker 5: like just just get rid of all that and like
Speaker 5: put us under pressure.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you need a little like push on the sho.
Speaker 5: To give you a push to, and she gave you
Speaker 5: a push. She was like, just do it, just have
Speaker 5: a crack. Try for a year and if it doesn't work,
Speaker 5: then whatever, but at least you's like you aren't die
Speaker 5: wondering and exactly right when she found out that she
Speaker 5: was pregnant for real this time with ev with Eis.
Speaker 3: I always say that as an adult, there is no
Speaker 3: bigger change in your old life then having a child
Speaker 3: and starting a family. How did you prepare for that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: like not much.
Speaker 5: You're sort of just trying to mentally get your head
Speaker 5: around it. But you can't. Like there's there's preparation from
Speaker 5: like a operational you know, let's get the house in order,
Speaker 5: let's get a room, let's go to a baby expo
Speaker 5: and become an manager real quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then like once the baby.
Speaker 2: Comes, you're like, oh, okay, Like O me for what
Speaker 2: this was.
Speaker 5: So we're both pretty relaxed or I'm I'm very relaxed.
Speaker 5: She's she's a bit of both. She's like the right
Speaker 5: amount of not relaxed because to counteract my backness not
Speaker 5: a word, but so it was. I don't remember it
Speaker 5: being very stressful. It was just sort of the initial
Speaker 5: like finding out was stressful. Telling our parents were stressful,
Speaker 5: it was like, but then it was exciting. It was
Speaker 5: kind of like well, yeah, like what else are we
Speaker 5: doing here? Like we've been together for so it long
Speaker 5: and like yeah, she don't get off the pot. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I always wanted to have kids. I mean thirty.
Speaker 5: I think I was thirty when V was born, Like
Speaker 5: it's not young, but I'm like, I also kind of
Speaker 5: want to. I prefer to be on the younger side
Speaker 5: generally speaking. So I was like, yeah, let's just do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we've already done it.
Speaker 3: Was she an easy baby?
Speaker 5: Yeah, super easy. I gotta love that, Like it's super easy, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, nobody should ask your wife that question. I
Speaker 5: was talking to about it the other day or yesterday
Speaker 5: because I was coming over no, no, no, but I was
Speaker 5: like I was asking her about like trying to wrack
Speaker 5: my brains around.
Speaker 3: Like it does become quiet. Like the newborn phase for
Speaker 3: me is like my the newborn phases.
Speaker 5: Well, her birth was really bad.
Speaker 2: Her birth was forty two hour labor, and like, how
Speaker 2: many kids was she haven't?
Speaker 5: I know, yeah, forty two. So I was like, over,
Speaker 5: what's that a couple of days and then trying to
Speaker 5: remember how it happen to all back as well in
Speaker 5: those awful seats that have to sit on.
Speaker 2: That, and then eventually real, yeah, that's really well, and well.
Speaker 5: I was sleeping on the floor. I was actually it
Speaker 5: sounds so stupid. It was in like there was a
Speaker 5: like a thing in the hallow sport world that was
Speaker 5: popping off, Like there was something that I had to
Speaker 5: like tend to. So being in the hospital, I'm just
Speaker 5: laying on the floor to eventually, after like thirty somehow
Speaker 5: she got given an every drill, they gave her something
Speaker 5: to sleep, and I'm laying on the floor in the hospital,
Speaker 5: went screenshotting people like just making content being like this
Speaker 5: is the most inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Right now it is, but also likes your job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's forty forty hours.
Speaker 5: Well it's a long time. It's a long time. After
Speaker 5: like forty hours, and it was she had and it's
Speaker 5: maconiums like they pooh inside like they do their first
Speaker 5: pooh and they're inside. Came out and she was like
Speaker 5: limp and she had like poo in her lungs and
Speaker 5: so then like holy shit, they took her out straight
Speaker 5: away and like she wasn't crying, she was just like
Speaker 5: looking at her like it was really intense. Fifty doctors
Speaker 5: in the room. They dragged her straight over to a bed,
Speaker 5: jammed like a tube down her throat like sucking everything out.
Speaker 3: Do you remember, like what were you thinking at that stage? Dude?
Speaker 5: Again, I was like I was just looking at all
Speaker 5: the doctors and I was like, obviously, like something needs
Speaker 5: to be done here, but like, but I can't do
Speaker 5: anything like that. I was just like, how stressed are they?
Speaker 5: Like how much is this just what they do and
Speaker 5: this is a thing that happens and how much of
Speaker 5: this is a like holy fuck if we don't like
Speaker 5: And I just felt like Steph was wigging out. Steph'smum
Speaker 5: was in there, wigging out, and I was just like,
Speaker 5: I think it's all good. I think they're just needing
Speaker 5: to do this. And again, blind optimism. I was just like,
Speaker 5: I think that I think we're sweet. Like the was
Speaker 5: it's a hairy but the way they came in, the
Speaker 5: way they let this thing play out for so long,
Speaker 5: I was like they must have known this is a possibility, right,
Speaker 5: like yeah, they and they weren't like they didn't go,
Speaker 5: we're going to make it, give you a C section.
Speaker 5: It was like they just let it play out. So
Speaker 5: I was just like I was just optimistic. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I think we're all good and events and we weren't
Speaker 5: obviously we were sweet, but yeah it was. It was
Speaker 5: very intense, certainly for Steph, like that's one of those
Speaker 5: things where our second child, Zoe was smooth easy in
Speaker 5: a bath in the hospital, like really nice, She's like
Speaker 5: that heeled her.
Speaker 3: Were you in the bath, I.
Speaker 5: Was sitting like in the on the side of the
Speaker 5: I was there feeding the human soup. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was feeding watching that one was.
Speaker 3: I am assuming that wasn't your call for the bath.
Speaker 3: That was your wife. That was.
Speaker 5: Bubble bath. No, that was Steph. She was she really
Speaker 5: wanted to do it. I was like the thing that
Speaker 5: I was, I didn't. I don't like that he was
Speaker 5: doing it at home. I've got a lot of people
Speaker 5: that do it at home birth, and that to me
Speaker 5: just I'm like, I'd prefer something go south to just
Speaker 5: be exactly where you don't have to clean up. No,
Speaker 5: that's also something, but I'm prepared to look, I'm prepared
Speaker 5: to clean up if it means it's a fucking doctor there.
Speaker 5: But anyway, I jumped forward to the second berth. So
Speaker 5: e was Eve was That was the hardest part of it,
Speaker 5: otherwise the baby shit and like she was pretty sweet,
Speaker 5: like to the point where obviously, like every kid is,
Speaker 5: you know, you have nights where they don't sleep but
Speaker 5: for the most part I was racking my brains trying
Speaker 5: to think about like a tantrum or a big thing, Like,
Speaker 5: there's just nuts she's been. That's pretty chill.
Speaker 3: We Marley was a dream child to the point where
Speaker 3: we were like, what what are parents complaining about? This
Speaker 3: is we We did a trip overseas when my was
Speaker 3: three months old and we were just like two thumbs up, like.
Speaker 5: This is easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like my parents had my sister first and they were like, fuck,
Speaker 1: we're good at this, and then I came along.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, second one was still there. Still wasn't a sleep.
Speaker 3: It was a similar case second time round.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look Zoey again, is feel pretty cruisy like she's
Speaker 5: They were both very well behaved and like fun, sweet
Speaker 5: love little things. So he's just more like.
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever the fun I want two and a half. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so similar to Masie and same. She's so sweet and
Speaker 1: I'll just do whatever the funk I want. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: get away with.
Speaker 5: It and get away with it. Don't jump off that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm definitely jumping.
Speaker 3: Did you did you have any like preconceived idea of
Speaker 3: what kind of kids you wanted in terms of boy girl.
Speaker 5: I when so we did like pop the balloon with
Speaker 5: our mates find out what gender it was. I for
Speaker 5: non dude. I didn't have my own car. I just
Speaker 5: got laid off. But I wanted a boy. I think
Speaker 5: because I am one and I felt that it was
Speaker 5: going to be an easier I like, I understand and
Speaker 5: I remember what it was like. It's not it's well,
Speaker 5: I'm like.
Speaker 2: I'm just so stoked with girls, like.
Speaker 5: They're the best.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 5: I We'll go again, We'll try for a third, but
Speaker 5: I don't really care, like I would like a boy
Speaker 5: for just a bit of you know.
Speaker 3: Some different variety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like those variety packs of the cereals.
Speaker 3: It's like you have the ice ovo and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want something different? What else have they got?
Speaker 5: Else have we got? But no, I was just I
Speaker 5: didn't have any real I was just more like healthy, happy,
Speaker 5: as long as they're all good, and then.
Speaker 2: They've obviously, I imagine with everyone exceed your expectations, just like
Speaker 2: I'm going to say like tenfold, it's actually probably more that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, are there any are there any moments that
Speaker 3: you struggle with the most with young kids?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say sometimes I can be a bit short,
Speaker 5: like as in I can you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: like your it takes a lot of patience, right, like
Speaker 5: especially sometimes sometimes you forget that they're two and four.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know so quickly again that's.
Speaker 5: Sort of the thing. And because they are so well
Speaker 5: behaved as well, Like our girls are just a particularly
Speaker 5: well I don't know what. I definitely don't think it's
Speaker 5: anything we've done, like, but they're particularly well behaved. So
Speaker 5: like even around you know, other kids, like you can
Speaker 5: just see it. They're like they're just chillers. And then
Speaker 5: there are times we're very cognizant of it. We talk
Speaker 5: about it, like me and my wife, like, but there
Speaker 5: are times when like you're just really like you're you're
Speaker 5: like you are intolerant of like the slightest deviation from
Speaker 5: like just you know, being well behaved. And then that's
Speaker 5: one of those things where I like, you know, after
Speaker 5: the fact, you like feel like an asshole.
Speaker 2: When you've like snap or something.
Speaker 1: So for me, Oscar was pretty tricky to kid. He's
Speaker 1: a boy, so like he's crazy, right, and like same thing.
Speaker 1: It's like I'll be mid snap and my wife wo
Speaker 1: it's four Okay a huge point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, trump me on that one. Yeah you don't check me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck, I get it.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess maybe with work as well. My old
Speaker 5: man again, like he was, he was just like he
Speaker 5: didn't work, respectfully, Dad, you did work, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: so I would always I never had the experience of
Speaker 5: like a dad that would go to work every day
Speaker 5: and like come back at night. So that's sort of
Speaker 5: how even though like my job is very chill and
Speaker 5: like I can essentially do what I want, like it
Speaker 5: does require me. I do got to work every day,
Speaker 5: and I feel bad about that. Like, you know, sometimes
Speaker 5: I'm like, am I working too hard? But isn't that
Speaker 5: kind of what you have to do if you want
Speaker 5: to be able to you know, holds and spend time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you want to go. So it's like and I'm like,
Speaker 5: you don't want to miss things though as well, and
Speaker 5: you want to make sure that you're around. And I'm
Speaker 5: definitely around, but like that's one of those things where
Speaker 5: you're sort.
Speaker 2: Of I'm around too much.
Speaker 3: How would the conversation go with Eddie when you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, we've got our own business here, which is
Speaker 3: still kind of in infancy but I want to take
Speaker 3: Matt leave. That conversation go down.
Speaker 5: Well, luckily I was I was no longer employed for
Speaker 5: the first child, so Matt leave was huge. Mate, we
Speaker 5: we are he's look, he hasn't got kids yet.
Speaker 3: Either.
Speaker 5: It's like do whatever you want, like take as much
Speaker 5: time as you need, like or just like what it
Speaker 5: is is, especially with the podcast, so we recall we
Speaker 5: got a few shows you do every week. It's like
Speaker 5: if you're just there for those, do whatever you want,
Speaker 5: like just don't go, like go and be with your
Speaker 5: family or if you can't be like it's it's a
Speaker 5: sort of similar approach with like holidays in a sense,
Speaker 5: but it's like you want to go on a holiday
Speaker 5: for for a month, like just go and we'll just
Speaker 5: work it out like someone feel someone will fill in
Speaker 5: or but yeah, there's no, it's not it's not really
Speaker 5: something we've had to properly a bridge we've probably had
Speaker 5: to cross. I guess with Zoie we did a little
Speaker 5: bit because it can.
Speaker 3: Be hard with people who don't have kids to understand,
Speaker 3: like if Ash calls me and says, I we can't
Speaker 3: record today. Kids have got conjunctive artists. Then on daycare,
Speaker 3: I've got to pull the pin. I get it.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Eddie's great with that, like
Speaker 5: he gets it. He doesn't get it. He doesn't get
Speaker 5: it at all.
Speaker 2: He's one of those people who thinks his dog's his child.
Speaker 2: But but.
Speaker 5: He gets it to the point where it's like we've
Speaker 5: got a very good we're friends like so it's very
Speaker 5: it's very cruisy, and he knows that he's going to
Speaker 5: be asking for the same thing soon enough.
Speaker 3: With Laura and myself, I put my hand up and
Speaker 3: say that I am a lot better now. But initially
Speaker 3: I was pretty shit as a hands on parent because
Speaker 3: I kind of fell into that period of you know,
Speaker 3: early days, you're like, I'm kind of redundant here because
Speaker 3: it's all baby in mum, you don't need me.
Speaker 2: It could be any blob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember, like, you know, I'd wake up
Speaker 3: in the morning and I'd kind of packed my bag
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, all right, see you, honey, and
Speaker 3: she's like, where are you going. I'm gonna get the gym,
Speaker 3: and then you know, I'll go see nath for a
Speaker 3: bit and then you know, I guess I'll come and
Speaker 3: when I come home, i'd be on the phone as
Speaker 3: well when she's sitting there with like a month old newborn. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she had to sit me down and go, hey, you're
Speaker 3: a jerk. Yeah you're being a little bit shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, how was.
Speaker 3: It for you in terms of like dynamics and responsibility.
Speaker 5: We've definitely had a few of those chats as long
Speaker 5: as you like take the criticism for like all the
Speaker 5: feedback for what it is right like then, it's always
Speaker 5: been pretty smooth. But there's been periods where it's been
Speaker 5: either that transition of like you can't just go out
Speaker 5: and like have a good night or a big night
Speaker 5: and then like the next day you completely wiped out
Speaker 5: and you can't do anything. So the early days, that
Speaker 5: was sort of what it was because that was like
Speaker 5: the biggest transition there where it was like you can't
Speaker 5: you know, your your night's out with your friends and
Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. When Zoe came along, it
Speaker 5: was just about like she's on maternity le but she's
Speaker 5: got two kids and then I'm working, but like trying
Speaker 5: to have a bit more of a healthy world life
Speaker 5: balance of being around more than the most recent one
Speaker 5: was around the mental load. I don't know if you've
Speaker 5: heard the mental load, and that's one that I struggle
Speaker 5: with the most because my brain is token up so
Speaker 5: much of my brain just is it always in work
Speaker 5: like as in it's not like an excuse either, it's
Speaker 5: just more that like when I when you're doing your
Speaker 5: own thing, when I was doing something that I didn't like,
Speaker 5: like just a job with the easiest fucking thing to
Speaker 5: switch off from in the world. I want to think
Speaker 5: about laboring. Yeah, I'm going to dig that I didn't
Speaker 5: finish moving all of those pilo like logs yesterday. Good
Speaker 5: luck doing that. But so when it's your own job,
Speaker 5: I've found that it consumes my thoughts like a significant
Speaker 5: amount of time, and it's hard to switch off from that.
Speaker 5: So then when there's like things that are needed to
Speaker 5: be done around their house, they take a back seat.
Speaker 5: Well it's yeah, but not even intentionally. I just forget,
Speaker 5: Like my memory is just like not it's almost like
Speaker 5: and again it's easy to say like, because she has
Speaker 5: a million things to do as well, she's got her
Speaker 5: job and then she got everything in the house. So
Speaker 5: I'm not like, as I said, it's non excuse, it's
Speaker 5: just like the way my brain works.
Speaker 1: And I find that balance where you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to stop thinking about work now. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: same for me, Like I left a job I hated
Speaker 1: a year ago, and honestly, as soon as I put
Speaker 1: my laptop down, I just did not give.
Speaker 2: A shit about that.
Speaker 1: But now same, like where always going back and forth
Speaker 1: with ideas and things were going there. Sometimes I find
Speaker 1: myself on my phone talking to Matt or texting Matt
Speaker 1: or something like that when I should be like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: hang on, I'm actually at home now.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so that's been something. So there's there's the
Speaker 5: one you get home, it's like put your phone down.
Speaker 5: But then again like which I do, but then I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 5: I've got a what am amazing? Well no, because it's
Speaker 5: more like there's still in the content game, like there's
Speaker 5: shit that needs that needs to be checked on of you.
Speaker 5: I've got to like make sure our business. I am
Speaker 5: more the like head of the content side of things,
Speaker 5: and Eddie is a business brain. So when there's like
Speaker 5: videos is this good to go? How is this is this?
Speaker 5: Like I'm always having a review that ship and I
Speaker 5: always find that like that all comes through at like
Speaker 5: six o'clock and so I'm at home and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: I just quickly got to go to the toilet for
Speaker 5: like the fourth time, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: like I said, is that but like I definitely try
Speaker 5: to like get home, put the phone down, and be present.
Speaker 5: And then in the household, it's more just like delegating
Speaker 5: tasks around the house where it's like I am kitchen man.
Speaker 7: Like you know what I mean, Like I just pictured
Speaker 7: you with like just tongue fingers, like yeah, like Edwards
Speaker 7: hand tongue hands.
Speaker 5: So it's like that as an example, is like the
Speaker 5: kitchen's cleanliness and operation functionality, like that's me. That's me.
Speaker 5: Then it's like Steph is general household like washing and shit,
Speaker 5: and I mean she would uh like probably that's more consistent, right,
Speaker 5: But so there's certain things like that around the house
Speaker 5: that like we've just delegated and it's like she doesn't
Speaker 5: have to worry about it. Anything to do with the
Speaker 5: cars like Regio and all that sort of stuff like
Speaker 5: mini things like that's me. So it's just trying to
Speaker 5: find that balance off the back of her like making
Speaker 5: me listen to some podcast where they were talking about it.
Speaker 5: What's funny though she'll like, like you know again because
Speaker 5: it affects them more like she's obviously proactively like can
Speaker 5: you listen to this? This is interesting, or like it
Speaker 5: might be a thing about parenting or like read this
Speaker 5: or like some book about like how to raise girls.
Speaker 2: That like themselves, or like not read it, but like
Speaker 2: read this little bit of it.
Speaker 5: But then like she sends you this podcast about the
Speaker 5: mental loade and I'm like, yeah, like I'll listen to it.
Speaker 2: Then I forget, and then it's like, oh did it?
Speaker 5: And then I did listen to it and it's funny,
Speaker 5: like there's it was this mix like had great messages
Speaker 5: in there, and like it was actually I took away.
Speaker 3: From yeah, what can you teach?
Speaker 5: Well, it was just more about the way to to
Speaker 5: like separate household items that she had some she had
Speaker 5: some funky way of like doing it with like making
Speaker 5: it a card game. I was like, we don't need
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 8: Monopoly exactly of life go to jail, sweet.
Speaker 2: Get two hundred bucks for that.
Speaker 3: Did you have mates at the time they had kids
Speaker 3: who would kind of.
Speaker 5: Well not for the first I was the first one,
Speaker 5: but now I got and so that's really good and
Speaker 5: they're all really close. All of a lot of my
Speaker 5: friends I've been friends with in primary school and all
Speaker 5: of their all of our wives are really tight. So
Speaker 5: we've got like a nice group. Not that you come
Speaker 5: across like a tired individual. Could you look great? Thank
Speaker 5: you so much.
Speaker 3: Just want to put that out there first and foremost.
Speaker 3: You're always glowing, But we just thought.
Speaker 5: You're tired on the end side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh dude, yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, I feel like that's life though for us right well,
Speaker 5: it doesn't have to be now.
Speaker 2: But now that we know about the IV, about the IV.
Speaker 3: But yet to the end of the day and you
Speaker 3: just spent it does feel strange like, you know, one second,
Speaker 3: we're talking just the three of us. Next minute Amy
Speaker 3: knocks on the door, and before you know what, you've
Speaker 3: got needles in your arm and you're getting five hundred
Speaker 3: mills of.
Speaker 5: Hartman's Hartman's compound.
Speaker 3: I feel like I can't really, I know, I can.
Speaker 3: I feel like I can't like get around and move like.
Speaker 5: That would have been fun.
Speaker 2: That would have been fun, just.
Speaker 1: Go down the shops, three grown man, like we've escaped hospital.
Speaker 3: Tom, Yes, you've been well. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: been something you've had at birth, you had no you
Speaker 3: have no sense of smell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually don't. This is a it's like a
Speaker 5: bone of contention between me and my parents. I have never,
Speaker 5: from my memory, been able to smell, like a couple
Speaker 5: of things. I can smell like spearm in, eucalyp just
Speaker 5: like really fume me sort of stuff, and it's going
Speaker 5: to be right up my nose. Yeah, but like, actually no,
Speaker 5: I don't know about a permanent market. But like you
Speaker 5: just got to the things where you're you know, sort
Speaker 5: of verting on huffing it and then so I never
Speaker 5: was able to smell, but I was never ever taken
Speaker 5: the doctor for it ever. And so I'm like to
Speaker 5: my parents, I'm like, there could just be a fucking
Speaker 5: crayon stuck up there that I don't know about.
Speaker 2: Imagine if one day you just sneezed out a full red.
Speaker 3: Crayon and you're like, oh, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Those videos that you see like a colorblind person put.
Speaker 3: But so did you say, like, hey, Mum and Dad,
Speaker 3: just want to let you know, I can't smell a
Speaker 3: single because.
Speaker 5: I was always becau everyone's aways like, smell this, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I can't smell.
Speaker 3: You know this.
Speaker 5: Up until eighteen, say, it was reasonable for me to
Speaker 5: be like, you guys are dogs, take me to the hospital.
Speaker 5: But after eighteen, once I've become an adult, I've just
Speaker 5: never gone to the door. So now it's on me
Speaker 5: as much as anything else. But yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Best thing would be the fact that changing nappies that's
Speaker 3: no issue for you.
Speaker 5: No issue at all. I And like that's almost because
Speaker 5: woo still is not something I enjoy, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So it's like the process is still like
Speaker 5: visual still there, like I still have a bit of
Speaker 5: like Jesus there's.
Speaker 2: Been blind and not being able to smell, Well that would.
Speaker 3: Just be the lucky ones tound.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so from a smell perspective, I can't imagine
Speaker 5: like what that would do, like that the waft of
Speaker 5: But I'm always I'm still very put off by like
Speaker 5: a massive shit, it's it's future the smells even but
Speaker 5: I can enjoy it way more because it's like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, this is shoes, Like is it big? It
Speaker 5: doesn't smell at all?
Speaker 3: Does it mean that with you and your wife, the
Speaker 3: responsibility of anything toilet related falls on your shoulders?
Speaker 5: Actually not And it's probably would be reasonable for it
Speaker 5: to fall on my shoulders.
Speaker 2: But it's just always look, it has always been a.
Speaker 5: It's been a pretty even split. But like with things
Speaker 5: where it's with kids related bad smells, it's even split.
Speaker 2: But like we've got a cat that throws up, like.
Speaker 5: There's always a key every morning you wake up to
Speaker 5: like vomit somewhere that's on me, or like again, the
Speaker 5: cat kills a rat that's outside, that's on you, that's
Speaker 5: on me. I always so I got to clean the
Speaker 5: the you know, like the bin because.
Speaker 1: You can't smell that, but like I always get stuck
Speaker 1: with the I can smell a poo like I've I've
Speaker 1: just let us sit in it.
Speaker 5: You can. That's the problem though, because if I'm with them,
Speaker 5: if I'm with them again now they're sort of pretty
Speaker 5: toilet trained, they'll tell me. But like before they could,
Speaker 5: it was like she sometimes like it's one of them,
Speaker 5: not a pool. I'm like, oh fuck, I haven't even checked.
Speaker 5: And then they're in there and it's like like only
Speaker 5: a couple of times bad. But you know when you've
Speaker 5: seen them, like when there's like nappy rash for it's
Speaker 5: like they've been sitting in a purse like dog shit
Speaker 5: on the skins already, and you're like, I am so sorry.
Speaker 5: I had no idea that was going on. It's also
Speaker 5: like for myself as well, super self conscious about smelling bad,
Speaker 5: Like I can't tell if I stink.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 5: I know, well, now I know you're lying to me
Speaker 5: of myself. But the thing that then I don't know
Speaker 5: is like my shirts can smell like your shirt stinks,
Speaker 5: I'm like, what, Like I just washed it, and then
Speaker 5: it's like for some reason, the fucking shirt smells so
Speaker 5: like I've always got dio on me, and I've always
Speaker 5: got like I usually I've climbed, always got breath mints
Speaker 5: on me, So that it's a blessing and a curse
Speaker 5: because like I know the way people speak about stinky
Speaker 5: people when I'm in the room, I'm like, they're talking
Speaker 5: about me, Like I don't I don't want to be
Speaker 5: the stinky high school when your hormones are raging, sweaty
Speaker 5: in your mates were just like, guys, please let me stink.
Speaker 3: Can I ask about the girls? Have they inherited this gene?
Speaker 5: No? And that's actually something that's funny it's kind of
Speaker 5: almost like a wig out. When we're walking past someone
Speaker 5: it's like, oh my god, that smells great, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 5: this is amazing, this is amazing. Thank God that it's it.
Speaker 5: But what they do do is know that I can't smell,
Speaker 5: so they fuck with me. So even You'll be like,
Speaker 5: you stink, and I'm like, bullshit, I stink like, and
Speaker 5: then I'll be the step I'm like, do I stinks
Speaker 5: with super like?
Speaker 2: I get like they will know that I don't know,
Speaker 2: so they'll mess with it.
Speaker 5: Like in the morning, they will come into bed and
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get away that you stink, and then
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, so do I stink?
Speaker 3: It's like no, for the record, you smell great.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Again, You're welcome. I'm happy to confirm that we are
Speaker 3: now fully hydrated.
Speaker 2: I'm the most we have all.
Speaker 3: Taken in the five hundred meals of Haartman. Nurse Amy
Speaker 3: is just about to extract my needle and I am buzzing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good stuff of vitamin C, chock full.
Speaker 3: And I would say meeting the in laws is probably
Speaker 3: one of the most scariest parts of any relationship. But
Speaker 3: I imagine that would be even more intense if there's
Speaker 3: cultural differences to try and digest.
Speaker 5: Yes, definitely. Steph is her mum Croatian, late father Serbian,
Speaker 5: and they all none of them were born here. Steph
Speaker 5: was born here, but she didn't speak English, like that
Speaker 5: wasn't her first language.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 5: And so it's very like I make the joke of
Speaker 5: though that like I'm living in a foreign film whenever
Speaker 5: it's any of those sorts of But they're all pretty cool,
Speaker 5: I think because we've been together for a long time. Like,
Speaker 5: I don't know how they perceived me when I was twenty.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it was different. You know, who the hell's
Speaker 5: this kid? Yeah, But as it's gone on, like we
Speaker 5: were at their place the other day, a brother's place
Speaker 5: the other day. He's a bit older, and I was like,
Speaker 5: his son's just getting engaged to a Croatian girl, And
Speaker 5: I'm like, is this sort of like you know, I know,
Speaker 5: like a lot of cultures sort of like that's what
Speaker 5: they like.
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this sort of a Croatian thing? You'd
Speaker 2: like preferred that?
Speaker 5: And he's like, ah, kind.
Speaker 1: Of yah, And if you're not Croatian, we did they
Speaker 1: obviously had to initiate you in some Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5: The process, like trying to get you drunk, and they
Speaker 5: were they succeeded.
Speaker 2: How do I sign up?
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, But like it's not just about they try
Speaker 5: to get you not just drunk, but like smash like
Speaker 5: and it's only happened, like it's only a couple of times.
Speaker 5: It's like every time you go there. But there's like
Speaker 5: when because the extended family is so big, So it's
Speaker 5: when you go to those ones and then there's like
Speaker 5: uncles you've never met.
Speaker 3: How many are we talking? Like ten twenty hundred.
Speaker 5: So STEP's brother in law, it's all my sister in law,
Speaker 5: my STEP's brother is STEP's brother's wife. It has eleven siblings.
Speaker 5: Holy shit.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: And then and then they all have like five kids,
Speaker 5: and it just goes on and on, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, you know Dragon and I'm like, who who Dragon?
Speaker 5: It's like stub it's up or some shit, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I don't remember. I'm sorry. I've got like Cuban and
Speaker 5: I swear like there's something where it's like you've only
Speaker 5: got a certain amount of like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: games or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when you were getting initiated, like you're you're
Speaker 3: getting ready to get absolutely blind drunk, were you warned
Speaker 3: and Steph say, hey, this is going to happen.
Speaker 5: No, I just started to pick up on the vibes.
Speaker 5: It was like, have another shot of right here. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: well if you have some of this whiskey, and I'm
Speaker 5: just like, all right, this is happening. I'm just going
Speaker 5: to eat a lot of food and I'm just going
Speaker 5: to not say no to anything. And then yeah, not
Speaker 5: driving home.
Speaker 2: It'd be funny if they like got your piece and
Speaker 2: then made you drive home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a realiation. Not pick me up from the prison.
Speaker 3: But I'm imagining now that you've been You've been with
Speaker 3: Steph for sixteen years.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when someone else is joining in the family, even
Speaker 3: if they are Croatian, are you now one of the
Speaker 3: people who are offering shots let's get.
Speaker 5: This, certainly more inclined to be on the enabling side, sure, Dragon, Yeah, Dragon, Yeah,
Speaker 5: exactly definitely.
Speaker 2: And Eve another white boy comes in, You're.
Speaker 5: Like, yes, there aren't any.
Speaker 3: Just me. Actually might be a case of like it'd
Speaker 3: be awkward if another Caucasian Australian kid from Barrel comes
Speaker 3: in the family.
Speaker 2: Make you have a proper drink off with him, family.
Speaker 5: And big enough.
Speaker 3: And before we go, there's one last question I'd love
Speaker 3: to ask you when you are an older man and old, yes,
Speaker 3: because you are, you are, you're young now, but I'm
Speaker 3: so young right now, I'm talking like in your sixties,
Speaker 3: when you're you know, the kids have flown the nest. Ye,
Speaker 3: what would you like them to remember about the household
Speaker 3: that they grew up in?
Speaker 5: That it was fun and lively and like full of
Speaker 5: ivy drips, full of that lively I mean I and
Speaker 5: then like so when you're young, just fun right, like playing, laughing.
Speaker 5: So but then older, I liked the idea of and
Speaker 5: this is something from like Steph culture that I like
Speaker 5: as well as like there's always something cooking, there's always
Speaker 5: people coming in and out, like there's steps family, Like
Speaker 5: there's always family coming over or friends coming over coming
Speaker 5: going or like oh yeah, we're just here, Like I
Speaker 5: really like that energy. It's just like it's it's fun
Speaker 5: and it's it's it's I mean exciting. It's probably too extreme,
Speaker 5: but there's just something quite nice and comforting about like
Speaker 5: having everyone around each other and getting on is a
Speaker 5: good one as well. Shout out to mom and dad.
Speaker 5: We had a bit of that growing up, but a
Speaker 5: divorce would suggest we didn't have enough of it.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't. Sorry, I came from a broken founders.
Speaker 2: My parents are still together.
Speaker 5: My parents are great. It's actually my parents actually still
Speaker 5: get on with Like we had Easter with my mum's
Speaker 5: partner and my old man came, so they're actually really good.
Speaker 5: Just being able to have that's also more kids, Like
Speaker 5: just having more people around. I think it's nice. So
Speaker 5: and if they've got somewhere to always come back to,
Speaker 5: you know, like a home base as we go off
Speaker 5: and do all your ship, but like you can always
Speaker 5: come back here. That's I think that's what I want.
Speaker 3: I love. That's cool. Very well said Tom. Thank you,
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. Thank you for being entirely
Speaker 3: up for getting IV.
Speaker 2: Drips jab with a needle always.
Speaker 3: You didn't question it. In the same what's.
Speaker 2: Going on Vitamin C and just mainline heroines.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well you'll find me. I'm noted off.
Speaker 2: He's a horn guy.
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