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Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 3: If you've been across the Flex brand since twenty eighteen, yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, you would have known. I did a podcast
Speaker 3: called Bourbon Flex. On that podcast, we talked a lot
Speaker 3: about philosophy and psychology, but one thing that came up
Speaker 3: quite a bit because it was topicals anti natalism, This
Speaker 3: idea of hating children. Not no, it's not hating children.
Speaker 3: It's this idea of not wanting to give birth, not
Speaker 3: liking the idea that you know, we have this right
Speaker 3: to birth into the world, that the world is hanging
Speaker 3: on by a thread enough and adding more children into
Speaker 3: the equation is not helpful in any way. That can
Speaker 3: be disputed for various reasons, whether or not you believe
Speaker 3: it or you don't believe it. The subset of that
Speaker 3: conversation is this general children hating rhetoric, and it's rampant
Speaker 3: on the internet. It's not just like I don't want kids,
Speaker 3: so like I think kids are kind of grubby. People
Speaker 3: who hate kids, people who speak towards kids or speak
Speaker 3: about kids in a derogatory way. And it's interesting because
Speaker 3: you know, we've had many a conversation about red flags
Speaker 3: in the dating context, and we should talk more about
Speaker 3: red flags in people, because red flag for me, people
Speaker 3: who hate kids, not individual kids, hate any individual kid.
Speaker 3: You want kids broadly spooks me because if we talk
Speaker 3: about broadly hating any group of people, we recognize them
Speaker 3: as bigots, we recognize them as sexist or racist, or
Speaker 3: homophobic or transphoby. But suddenly when it's about kids who
Speaker 3: are often holding to adult standards, which is strange, it's fine,
Speaker 3: I don't like that. Listen to this TikTok though it's
Speaker 3: from a creator called Kendra Morris.
Speaker 1: One of the first indications to me that somebody is
Speaker 1: not doing their work is that they hate children. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean that they don't want children, because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of valid reasons to not want a
Speaker 1: parent children. But I remember a time I've never hated children,
Speaker 1: but before I perceive myself as somebody who was once
Speaker 1: a child who was worthy of like attention and care
Speaker 1: and nurturing or respect that I did not receive. I
Speaker 1: also didn't have a lot of compassion for children who
Speaker 1: I was not related to.
Speaker 2: Do you think that people actually don't What did you
Speaker 2: say before about children.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 3: They treat them like adults, they hold them to adult standards.
Speaker 3: They say things like, I don't like kids because they're manipulative.
Speaker 3: I don't like kids because they're not aware of their space.
Speaker 3: I don't like kids because they don't understand how to
Speaker 3: behave appropriately. It's like, yeah, babe, they're kids. That's kind
Speaker 3: of the point. They don't know anything. They don't know
Speaker 3: a lot, and adults don't know a lot. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I necessarily agree with the idea that hating
Speaker 3: children is a sign you're not doing the work, because
Speaker 3: that phrase is subjective and vague, and what is the
Speaker 3: work anyway? All the work that I think I'm doing
Speaker 3: gets undone when I'm put in an uncomfortable situation, you know,
Speaker 3: Like you think you're building resilience when you haven't been
Speaker 3: in an uncomfortable or a new environment before. Of course,
Speaker 3: you think you're resilient when you're in your bubble every day.
Speaker 3: You haven't been out of your bubble, you know. But
Speaker 3: so let's not focus on like, you know, you're not
Speaker 3: doing the work, you're not self actualizing, not evolving. That's
Speaker 3: not everyone's prerogative. But I don't know how people justify
Speaker 3: having progressive politics and hating kids. That's where I'm going interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that people are getting their hatred out in
Speaker 2: a way that is socially acceptable. It's no longer socially
Speaker 2: acceptable to be an outward bigot about the whole plethora
Speaker 2: of things you just stated, But with kids, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a free pass to be transgressive and to
Speaker 2: like get some of your hatred out. I feel it's
Speaker 2: a conversation started to be like an anarchist. It's also
Speaker 2: a bit like pick me vibes, like oh I hate
Speaker 2: you know, oh I hate children. I do think it's
Speaker 2: it's easy to confuse.
Speaker 3: That with I don't want children, or I could never
Speaker 3: I don't want to parent them, I don't want to
Speaker 3: hang out with them. That is off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: I personally haven't heard anyone hate children.
Speaker 3: I observe it a lot, and I will say this
Speaker 3: is one of those conversations. And it's also why I
Speaker 3: don't try I try not to do discourse on the
Speaker 3: internet because I feel like people people's internet politics and
Speaker 3: real life politics are very different, and so I see
Speaker 3: a lot of chatter in the comments. I see a
Speaker 3: lot of vitriol in the comments. I don't if it
Speaker 3: would translate into a real life space where you had
Speaker 3: to justify. And I think that's also it as well.
Speaker 3: People have these like really inflammatory views because they don't
Speaker 3: have to justify it, like because someone's not asking you
Speaker 3: to like why why why? Well why, It's like I
Speaker 3: just why does it matter. It's like I was having
Speaker 3: an extension of a conversation, you know, when I was
Speaker 3: we were talking about what's worse for you seeing highlight
Speaker 3: reels or like misery content, And I was talking to
Speaker 3: a friend afterwards, and I was like, I just feel
Speaker 3: like I couldn't get my point across. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I said, I didn't care about seeing misery content, and
Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's not that I don't guess
Speaker 3: that I don't want to care. I'm so sick of
Speaker 3: being emotionally dysregulated by the Internet and not knowing which
Speaker 3: feelings are mine and which I inherited from viewing too
Speaker 3: much misery content, you know, like because I think on
Speaker 3: the surface, I'm just scrolling away from it, but I
Speaker 3: don't think my body is processing it out. And then
Speaker 3: suddenly I feel really strongly about something I've never experienced,
Speaker 3: or someone I've never seen before, or a person I've
Speaker 3: never heard of realistically, and it's like, oh, because I
Speaker 3: heard something about it, I saw a TikTok about it,
Speaker 3: and then didn't process a thought afterwards. I just took
Speaker 3: the emotion yes, without the thought.
Speaker 2: Which is how it's designed. I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like what I was saying the other day about
Speaker 2: the messages the medium. I think you see the way
Speaker 2: people react to things, and then you start to learn,
Speaker 2: you get scared. You're like, oh, that's how people will
Speaker 2: react to me. People have such strong opinions about anything.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, I could talk about loving
Speaker 2: this chocolate and someone's going to be like, you're.
Speaker 3: Did you know cadgreed?
Speaker 2: Okay, let worry? Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: I think it like the sensationalization and the like extremism,
Speaker 2: which is applied not to things that it ought to
Speaker 2: be but to everyday mundane. It is like brain rot.
Speaker 2: I feel that very much. So it's not good for
Speaker 2: your the way you interact in the world, and I
Speaker 2: think it erodes your innocence and your belief that in people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, miss you. Dealey we'll talk to you soon.
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